Love Zoom's gear. Great to see them going after the high end Sound Devices market!
@remektekmedia6641
9 жыл бұрын
XLR inputs are balanced mic level with optional phantom power, and not usually line. 1/4" and 3.5mm are either.
@gurtz1144
9 жыл бұрын
I was considering going with a older Tascam product that would had 8 preamps, but the price is double this, not to mention no iPad control, and a few other functions that this does have.
@MrHamit64
7 жыл бұрын
Dude I'm just a dude that wold just sit out on his porch and just record for the hell of it the ambience and this thing sounds epic. Hell I eally would love a 788-T. I've heard the 44 and dam that thing's epic. Now emagin being able to do a 7.1 capture and then making a 7.1 mix.
@igarti
9 жыл бұрын
Thank so much for the review! A well done work. Now I have a lot more references, as I'm waiting mine to arrive... IGIS Producciones
@curtisjudd
9 жыл бұрын
+IGIS Producciones Thanks! I hope it works well for you!
@gurtz1144
9 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed your presentation. Thinking about purchasing this because I believe it will enhance the current audio that I get off of a few HD Camcorders. Not sure what the competitor is on the market, but I will definitely keep this one on the list.
@curtisjudd
9 жыл бұрын
+Gary Clement The main competitor I am aware of is the Tascam DR-680mkII. In fact, some pros use the 680mkII as their recorder and put higher quality pre-amps in front of it. Worth a look.
@johndoeleftjane
9 жыл бұрын
Great review. I am going to pick this up when I get the money. Thanks!
@curtisjudd
9 жыл бұрын
+Johnny G Thanks! I hope it works out well for you! Loving mine so far!
@dismalperiod
9 жыл бұрын
Hey, I just wanted to say thanks for the VERY informative review. Despite the limitations, this looks like a game changer for those that need a pro field recorder but can't afford Sound Devices.I suspect we'll see some good firmware updates before the end of the year.
@curtisjudd
9 жыл бұрын
+Ron Rice Thanks Ron, I agree!
@chumpster69
8 жыл бұрын
An informed, engaging review... What more would you want? Thank you Chris.
@curtisjudd
8 жыл бұрын
+Christopher Pitbladdo Thanks!
@UpHillCinema
9 жыл бұрын
Very good detailed review. As always!
@produccionesonpex
9 жыл бұрын
As always, great review. Please consider doing a review on the Roland R-88 recorder/ mixer.
@curtisjudd
9 жыл бұрын
That's a fine idea, thanks!
@Onpex
9 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the speedy reply. we are a small production company for independent films and shorts, and we also do a lot of field sound recording for independent films as well. Therefore we hope you don't mind us sharing a few of our experiences with different equipment, as well as a few other questions. best regards.
@SteadicamCologne
9 жыл бұрын
+Omar Patin a very good mixer too !
@Snipersounds
8 жыл бұрын
Great review Curtis! Thanks a lot!
@curtisjudd
8 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@ERIKCANTU
8 жыл бұрын
Thank you for clearing up my big question about this unit: how it's pre-amps compare to a Sound Devices unit.
@curtisjudd
8 жыл бұрын
+erik cantu you are welcome and thanks for the feedback!
@InfiniteWatersRalphSmart
9 жыл бұрын
Thank you Chris, thinking of getting this. :) Would you say it is better than the zoom H6?
@curtisjudd
9 жыл бұрын
+Infinite Waters (Diving Deep) Yes, better in several ways. The pre-amps and analogue to digital converters are better. The screen is much better. The controls are better, the build is better. The price is more than 2x the H6 to offset all those benefits. :)
@InfiniteWatersRalphSmart
9 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Chris, keep up the great work. :)
@paulszilard1685
9 жыл бұрын
+Curtis Judd I would love to know how the battery life of the F8 vs H6 compares if you have the same inputs running (and same recording). E.g. I often shoot 48V Phantom on input 1 (boom) and no phantom on 2 and 3 (Wireless Lavs). Recording in 24bit 48kHz WAV format. How much time would the F8 give me using 8x Eneloop Pro AA's?
@curtisjudd
9 жыл бұрын
+Paul Szilard 3 - 4 hours in my experience. I've mainly been relying on the AAs as backup to an external Anton Bauer.
@paulszilard1685
9 жыл бұрын
+Curtis Judd That is disappointing when compared to the H6 on 4x AA Eneloops.
@curtisjudd
8 жыл бұрын
+Harold Tomlinson It doesn't appear to work with the Atomos Shogun but I think that is an issue with the Shogun and not an issue with the F8. I don't have any other cameras on hand with timecode input but I would recommend you have a look at these tests: kzitem.info/news/bejne/0IeMrKJpnmKolXo Also, see the notes on timecode over at Jose Frias's review: mixeli.us/technology/zoom-f8/ In short, the timecode generator looks to be very solid.
@chriscutress1702
2 жыл бұрын
They probably restrict line level input via TRS to avoid the passing of phantom power to line input devices.
@curtisjudd
2 жыл бұрын
Could be. On the F8n, it can actually send phantom power from the TRS input to the device feeding it.
@chriscutress1702
2 жыл бұрын
@@curtisjudd Thx for that info. I'm awaiting delivery of my F8n as we speak.
@htfxdx
8 жыл бұрын
Curtis: Thanks for the review. Have you had a chance to use the timecode yet? Can the timecode generated by the F8 be used with a camera that does not have a sync connection? Can the timecode and the audio mix be sent as left and right outputs to cameras?
@scottvanderbilt1279
9 жыл бұрын
Re: your question about input limiters on Sound Devices mixers and mixer/recorders: they are definitely analog.
@curtisjudd
9 жыл бұрын
+Scott Vanderbilt Thanks for confirming, Scott!
@remektekmedia6641
9 жыл бұрын
+Curtis Judd www.sounddevices.com/products/mixers-with-integrated-recorders/688 shows this to be digital!
@scottvanderbilt1279
9 жыл бұрын
+RemekTek Media The recorder is digital, yes, but we're talking about the input stage limiters prior to the A/D converters.
@davidp158
9 жыл бұрын
Curtis - Thanks for the comprehensive review. I am thinking about selling my current rig in favor of the Zoom F8, and wonder if you would advise me on this. Like yourself, most of my work is a one-man-band operation, but I also do location audio from time to time. I have a Sound Devices 552 mixer/stereo recorder. I usually feed the SD552 channel direct outs into my Tascam DR680. Overall, its worked well for me, but it is bulky, I have to operate two devices and the neither recorder offers the option to name files in an effective way. I love the preamps and limiters on the SD552, and the headphone amp is soooooo much better than the Tascam DR680. Th F8 looks like a more ergonomic option to my current rig, with some advantages (logical interface, naming files, iOS mixer and metadata app). I saw your video regarding the F8 digital limiters, and think I could live with them. Can you tell me how the F8 preamps would compare to the SD552? Sorry to hear the headphone amp isn't on par with pro gear, but I hope its better than the low end recorders. Any issues with the F8 that I may need to consider?
@curtisjudd
9 жыл бұрын
+Dave Patterson HI Dave, I haven't used the SD552 but to my ear, the F8 preamps are very similar sounding to the SD744T so I've been very happy with those results. I need to look more at the app. I don't have enough experience with the it yet to tell how robust it is in terms of metadata entry but it does at least have the basics. We'll cover that in an upcoming piece.
@shingAMarie
7 жыл бұрын
Not that it was bad or anything, the recorded audio, Mr. Judd sounds like a lav, as it sounds very chesty. I know you stated you used the Audio-Technica AT4053b. Did you have a back up lav?
@curtisjudd
7 жыл бұрын
+Malo Sal no back-up lav in this case, just a very confined space with reflective surfaces. Definitely not my best recording.
@davidmajcher5528
9 жыл бұрын
Curtis great review. My question is for you is that will device be good for a person such as myself who is a boom operator/ mixer for independent sets and for local commercials. I have just recently graduated college and I want to be a professional boom op down the line from now. I have really been interested in getting a field mixer that has good reviews and a nice set up. I really like how this device is so affordable and like its predecessors from Zoom I really like the design vs the Zoom h6. I am looking to get a mixer soon so I can start selling myself as a local boom op/mixer for freelance. Cause i think this device could good for me to start with for my career path. For me I would like to be able to run a couple of lavs and a shot gun mic. I want to know how easy it would be to rock the levels on the device in the field?
@curtisjudd
9 жыл бұрын
+David Majcher the potentiometers on the F8 are for setting gain so to mix with faders for a stereo mix, you'll need to use the iOS app, at least until/if Zoom provide a firmware update to configure the pots for use as faders. For some field mixers that won't work, but others would be willing to give it a try. I use it for corporate pieces but I'm not usually operating a boom at the same time and I don't usually need to produce a separate stereo mix so for me the F8 is great.
@scottyoung2414
4 жыл бұрын
@4:16 I sympathise with your longing for the metric system. Sorry that you had to learn a ridiculous version of... well metrics.
@curtisjudd
4 жыл бұрын
😀
@paulszilard1685
9 жыл бұрын
Curtis, how do you find the linearity of the input level control. On my H6, there seems to be a jump between 6 and 7 on the dial, so I was wondering if this "feature" is also on the F8? Thanks.
@curtisjudd
9 жыл бұрын
+Paul Szilard I haven't noticed any jumps but I've found that because the F8 provides up to +75dB that I haven't actually used anything above about +55dB. I'll give it a try.
@velvetphil
8 жыл бұрын
Hey Curtis - wondering if the brightness/unpleasantness of the headphone amp could be a case of impedance mismatching from headphone to unit? What do you think?
@curtisjudd
8 жыл бұрын
+Philip Galitzine Interesting thought which I hadn't considered. According to the specs, the output impedance of the headphone jack is 15 ohms or less. My Sound Devices 633 has a headphone amp which sounds much better and is spec'd at 100 ohm output impedance. Hmm... Thanks! Something I'll need to look at in more detail.
@arispavlidis2455
9 жыл бұрын
Very Nice review! Zoom MUST do something with the faders. They are going to increase their profit dramatically if they do this. Just a question.. How unusable are the trim knobs for live mixing? Did you do any tests? I mean, what happens when you reduce suddenly the levels with a trim knob? I am trying to find a test somewhere but i can't..
@curtisjudd
9 жыл бұрын
+Aris Pavlidis It isn't impossible to adjust the trim pots while booming but not as easy as on a Sound Devices or Zaxcom mixer. So if they update the firmware to allow these to act as faders, its doable, just not easy. If I were making 100% of my living as a location sound mixer, I'd probably opt for another recorder/mixer. But since I'm not, it works nicely. And the app has been very reliable for me so far so I can mix with it quite effectively. What if you reduce the trim knob suddenly? It pulls the amplification back quickly. No problems there, but it isn't exactly transparent sounding because you're adjusting the gain (not the same as pulling a fader down).
@arispavlidis2455
9 жыл бұрын
+Curtis Judd Thank you! Yes. That is what I was thinking.. The preamps are sooo tempting in that price, that I am trying to balance with the cons. I own a two channel sound devices mixer, and it is a real pro in live mixing. But 8 good preamps are much better than two, so I think that if a firmware comes up, I will get it. Of course, if someone can afford a 688 or similar, that's the way..Unfortunately I can't. But for one band filmmakers and for sound effects and music recording, is a killer.
@curtisjudd
9 жыл бұрын
+Aris Pavlidis Totally understand, I'm in the same boat. Would love to get a SD 633 or Zaxcom Maxx but can't just now.
@griffithsafari
8 жыл бұрын
do you like the new anton bauer battery? is it better or worse than the older versions?
@curtisjudd
8 жыл бұрын
+James Griffith Yes, love the new one but it is physically bigger than the older one. I don't have as much experience with the older Dionics to say how they compare in terms of overall performance but the new one has been rock solid for me and the form factor hasn't been an issue - fits great into my Orca bag. Some people complain about the size and shape of the new batteries which are a fair bit larger based on their cooling design. They also have the new Cine line which look interesting for cameras.
@kaybhee6
7 жыл бұрын
we think alike... SOUND is most critical...seems you feel it is of High Quality... good....thanks...but my prob is... not just capture...but like the zoom r24, to be able to stay away from any computer, software, etc...and mix down and master within this type of standalone box.... talked to japan zoom, and they have no such plan yet...to make a Better quality zoom r24 studio machine.... any ideas , please ? thanks.
@curtisjudd
7 жыл бұрын
Hi Kish, Zoom just announced a control surface for the F4 and F8 field recorders which adds most of the functionality (if not all) to the F4 and F8. I'll be doing a review of it once it starts shipping. Hopefully this is good news!
@HiddenDriveways
8 жыл бұрын
Hi Curtis. Thanks for the video. Lots of good information. I have a question for you: How many times have you needed more than four channels of audio for a video shoot? Eight inputs is A LOT. Most people are fine with two. You are strongly recommending this device to enthusiasts, but I think it would be complete overkill for the vast majority of them. The upgraded control knob is better than the one on the other Zooms, and the display is nice, but I don't think most enthusiasts will ever need 10 channels, time code, and many other of the features they're paying for on the F8.
@curtisjudd
8 жыл бұрын
+Sam Mallery Hi Sam, Thanks for your question, it is a very good one. First, my thought is that many people are thinking that the F8 is a Sound Devices killer. The thinking goes that the F8 can do everything that a SD 7 series recorder can do for 1/2 to 1/8th the price. I do not think this is really the case and thus why I recommended it is more of an enthusiast level recorder. Given your question, I see that this is not an accurate way to describe the target audience for this recorder. As I think it through, semi-pro, small crew (meaning 1 to 3 people crew) is probably a better description. And the reason I think that is that is sort of where Im at: Some paid corporate video gigs from time to time where I usually operate both camera and sound on my own or maybe with one assistant. Given that context, this recorder suits my work very nicely and was well worth the investment. To answer your specific question, I usually use three channels: two lavs and a boom. Other times two booms. Every once in a while 4 or 5. But 8 inputs is not the main reason I bought the F8. In truth, that factor was not really even on the list. I would have been perfectly happy with 4. The biggest reason I like the Zoom F8 is for the quality of its pre-amplifiers. I do not need timecode or 8 inputs. But the pre-amps are proving to have significantly more dynamic range than the sub $500 recorders from both Zoom and Tascam. They are also cleaner in terms of self noise. For me, personally, the preamps are the main reason I like and use the F8. I rarely run into clipping or near clipping because of the dynamic range of these analogue to digital converters. Thanks for the question, it helps to clarify my recommendation.
@kaybhee6
7 жыл бұрын
yes, for most people... but we use From 8 to 16 mics on most sessions...and these are NOT orchestras...so there, are a few wackos like us...
@Knightofspirit
9 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the Sound Devices 633 is worth the 3.5-4x more money. Great review, I've been waiting for something like this for a long time now! Thanks!
@curtisjudd
9 жыл бұрын
Love the F8 so far but there are some downsides. I'm testing the input limiters now and they are not looking good. Not a huge deal if you're recording interviews and more controlled types of scenarios where there isn't a lot of risk that someone will suddenly get really loud. If you are recording situations like that, I'd look at the Zaxcom Maxx with its neverclip converters. But it is 2x the price.
@Knightofspirit
9 жыл бұрын
+Curtis Judd Thanks. I'm working as a sound guy, so I'll might save a little more for something bulletproof.
@scottvanderbilt1279
9 жыл бұрын
+Knightofspirit Unless you really need the extra four channels, I suggest you find yourself a second-hand Sound Devices 744t in good condition. Should run around $2,000. I just got one on EBay recently for $1,750 as a backup deck. If you are live mixing, then you can add a SD 442. These are going for around $800 used. This is a fantastic combination of truly bullet-proof world-class pro gear. Alternately, if that's too bulky, consider a combined field mixer/recorder like the 664 (6 inputs, 10 recordable tracks). I've seen units recently for ~ $3,500. Yes, we're talking significantly more than the F8, but if you are intending to charge customers real money for your services, don't cheap out. You need to take the leap. A fiend once told me, "buy once, cry once". This is solid advice. Take it from someone who regretted several early prosumer purchases.
@Knightofspirit
9 жыл бұрын
+Scott Vanderbilt Thanks for the advice, Scott.
@AndrewMoore58
9 жыл бұрын
I have been using the Zoom Hn6 and Roland R26 for my own movie productions and work on other peoples films as sound/boom operator. I'm thinking of upgrading to both improve the sound for my own films but to make myself more employable on film sets. I'm getting more calls to do sound on low budget films. I want to make the right decision on getting new great sound gear without spending heaps of money. What do you think?
@curtisjudd
9 жыл бұрын
+NumbuggaStudios If you're looking to get bigger gigs, I'd look seriously at the Zaxcom Maxx or Sound Devices 633 (assuming that most of your gigs can work with 3 or 4 mic inputs along with additional line inputs). Most of the bigger sound guys list their kit and sometimes that helps sell your services. Most of those cases are looking for recordists with SD or Zaxcom recorders. The biggest downside of the F8, which I'll have a new video on in the next few minutes, is the input limiters. They aren't in the analogue stage so they cannot always stop clipping in the more extreme cases. That said, if those recorders are clearly out of your budget, the F8 does have very nice preamps and build quality, you may just need to watch very carefully for clipping and call for a retake when they occur (assuming you're doing narrative and not ENG). So it is sort of an intermediate step toward the higher-end recorders. I hope that helps.
@AndrewMoore58
9 жыл бұрын
Hello Curtis Judd, Thanks for your reply. Budget is definitely an element in my decision making. I started making films, which are mainly documentaries, for fun but I have decided to get serious after some initial success. I don't really need 8 inputs at this stage but I can see in the future I probably will. I am starting to film live bands so I was interested in your comment that the zoom did not accept line inputs for XLR. That may also impact upon my decision. I just had a look at Sound Devices 633 which in Australia is almost $5000. I could do with some better gear to work on other peoples films but I have to be able to justify spending that much. Its a small device which may or may not be an advantage. I have a lot to think about. I have already spent a lot of money on microphones, cameras, grips etc so I know its not cheap but I am after anything that will improve quality. If this can make my life easier on a film set without blowing the budget I am interested. Regards Andrew Moore
@curtisjudd
9 жыл бұрын
+NumbuggaStudios Totally understand which is why I own the F8 instead of the Zaxcom Maxx. :) You can definitely record line-level into the F8, you'll just need XLR to 1/4" TRS cables. These are still balanced cables so you're not losing any quality, just have a buy some additional cables. Also, in regard to the F8's ability to manage clipping, despite the fact that the digital limiters are somewhat limited, the wide dynamic range of the pre-amplifiers and analogue to digital converters make the F8 quite good at handling suddenly loud sound sources. Better than I would have expected: kzitem.info/news/bejne/rI-bk2SZiGR-a6w
@dennygreene
7 жыл бұрын
Hey Curtis, thanks for sharing all the helpful videos. I've found that when mixing with the iOS app, the sliders will jump down 4db immediately when I begin to move them in either direction. Have you experienced this issue?
@curtisjudd
7 жыл бұрын
Yes, absolutely. In my final review I mentioned this as the big downfall of the app. It is still good for setting the initial gain and entering metadata, but the faders are not usable for mixing while recording in my experience: kzitem.info/news/bejne/p4mM2Y58j4KZq44
@alekoua
7 жыл бұрын
Hi I'm using a sound devices 552 mixer since i am a pro audio recordist and i am thinking of buying the f8 to have individual multi track recording. I'm thinking to use both 552 and f8 to have the analog limiters and sound quality that sound device provides in association with multi track recording that f8 provides. Do you think it's a good idea or its better to sell 552 and buy 633 instead.? Of course i know that i will have more channels with the first option (plus more weight) but how about sound quality difference between those two choices??? and by the way thanks for the video really helpful !
@curtisjudd
7 жыл бұрын
Hi Alexandros, Either option could work well. I would have a hard time giving up my 633 now that I've used it enough to see what it can do with very little weight. If it were me I would probably go 633, but if you're ok with the weight, the 552 and F8 would make a nice combination as well. Best wishes!
@danielzuvela3409
8 жыл бұрын
Hi Curtis, excellent review! I have a few questions. I am a newb regarding external battery packs. How did you connect the Anton Bauer battery to the Zoom F8? What is the model of the Anton Bauer you are using? Do you have any recommendations on which model to buy and are there some cheaper alternatives. Thank you very much.
@curtisjudd
8 жыл бұрын
+Daniel Žuvela Hi Daniel, I use this AB battery: www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1053652-REG/anton_bauer_8675_0092_digital_battery_series_digital.html/BI/19904/KBID/12941/kw/ANDIG90GM/DFF/d10-v2-t1-xANDIG90GM and this d-tap to hirose cable to connect it to the Zoom: www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/937170-REG/remote_audio_captaphir_anton_bauer_powertap_d_tap_p_tap.html Not a cheap solution. There are third party gold mount batteries out there but I haven't used them yet, I still need to look into those.
@danielzuvela3409
8 жыл бұрын
+Curtis Judd Yeah it's not a cheap solution but it's probably the best long term solution. Thank you :)
@mixVU
9 жыл бұрын
Hey Curtis. I'm curious about when using the stereo capsule or mid side capsule that come with the H6, whether they are any quieter than with the H5 or H6. Thanks!
@curtisjudd
9 жыл бұрын
+mixVU I'll see if I can get my hands on one of them for a test.
@mixVU
9 жыл бұрын
+Curtis Judd thanks! I've ordered my zoom f8 as well and should be arriving in Canada in the coming week or so if I'm lucky. I can do a test and share my results as well if you don't get around to it. Cheers!
@curtisjudd
9 жыл бұрын
+mixVU Ah, sounds like you'll get to it before I do. Looking forward to your results!
@INTIGRALS
8 жыл бұрын
Hi JUDD, is it necessary to connect the Zoom F8 to a digital mixer like any of the Allen & Heath Qu or Zed series?
@curtisjudd
8 жыл бұрын
+Bernie Amce Hi Bernie, it is certainly not necessary but I suspect you might be asking whether it is possible. You certainly could via analogue outputs from the mixer. There aren't any digital inputs on the F8 so that's not an option, unfortunately.
@shcopri
8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your review curtis, I have a question: If i don’t have an ipad, is there another way to mix? different that using the knobs (trim/faders), can I adapt an external mixer? if yes, how could I connect it? thank you for your help.
@curtisjudd
8 жыл бұрын
+Marcela Correa Hi Marcela, you could use an external mixing board if it has enough outputs. That is to say, you will need as many outputs (Left, Right, Aux 1, Aux 2, Aux...Y) to feed to the F8 via XLR cable. Then on the board, you would need to route each channel to a separate output (L/R/Aux) so that each microphone had its own separate channel. In this case you would do the mixing on the board and then the F8 would act only as the recorder. I hope that makes sense and helps. Best wishes!
@shcopri
8 жыл бұрын
+Curtis Judd Yes! it makes sense! thank you so much for your help :) l love all your videos
@ZachMRutledge
8 жыл бұрын
What brand of hirose connector did you use for this?
@curtisjudd
8 жыл бұрын
+Zach Rutledge Remote Audio. This is the exact cable: www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/937170-REG/remote_audio_captaphir_anton_bauer_powertap_d_tap_p_tap.html/BI/19904/KBID/12941/kw/RECAPTAPHIR/DFF/d10-v2-t1-xRECAPTAPHIR
@ZachMRutledge
8 жыл бұрын
+Curtis Judd Thanks sir!
@thephotovideoshow
9 жыл бұрын
I love the Zoom line of field recorders and I know the H4n gets a really bad rap for having horrible preamps but I guess my ears just aren't that discerning. I still use the H4n to this day with no issues. Do you have any experience with the Focusrite Scarlet series? I've been considering replacing the H4n as my audio interface and looking into a Scarlet. On the other hand I've thought maybe an upgraded Zoom model would serve more functions for my money. Thoughts? Thanks for the vid!
@curtisjudd
9 жыл бұрын
+The Photo/Video Show The Scarlet series is Focusrite's entry level and I'm going to bet that if you buy one you will be hard pressed to tell a difference from the H4n if you're finding the H4n adequate now. If you're going to upgrade, I'd aim for something with more dynamic range which seems to be the focus of the latest generation of higher end audio interfaces and recorders like the F8. Greater dynamic range is a significant practical advantage (fewer issues with clipping).
@thephotovideoshow
9 жыл бұрын
Curtis Judd Gotcha! That's kinda what I was thinking but I just wanted to verify. As a side note, I do use a Behringer mixing board before inputing that signal into the H4n.
@curtisjudd
9 жыл бұрын
+The Photo/Video Show Oh, yes, that explains it! Gain staging like that helps a bunch!
@seanwebb605
6 жыл бұрын
How would you even measure .2 frames?
@curtisjudd
6 жыл бұрын
Based on timecode values which count to the sample.
@OMGshops
9 жыл бұрын
....again, can you use the headphones on the ipad to monitor the f8?
@curtisjudd
9 жыл бұрын
Hi Christian, sorry for the delay, I haven't forgotten your question. I will confirm as soon as I have the F8 available tomorrow. (Currently on another job where I don't have access to it). I think the answer is yes but want to confirm to be 100% sure.
@OMGshops
9 жыл бұрын
Curtis Judd awesome, Thanks. I didn't mean to rush you for an answer I was just afraid the other question was moving down so I asked again. I absolutely love what I've learned from you and I thank you so much. Buying the iPad today to match my f8 so I may discover answer soon. Thanks again.
@curtisjudd
9 жыл бұрын
+Christian Calloway No worries at all. Just got home and gave it a quick test. I'm not getting any audio out of the iPhone 6 for monitoring. I had a look through the menus and didn't see anything obvious that I may have missed. So either I'm missing something or the F8 does not send audio via bluetooth to the connected iPad or iPhone. Zoom, if you see this, would you please confirm? My thinking is that this may have been intentional. This prevents the bluetooth bandwidth from being sucked up by an audio signal so that they can keep the bandwidth open for the faders and meters to be as close to real-time as possible. Also, I think Zoom's main thinking is that the iOS device is not meant to be used far away from the F8, just provide a larger surface to work with for mixing, but I'm just guessing on all of this. :)
@ZoomSoundLab
8 жыл бұрын
+Curtis Judd Hello Curtis, you are correct, the App does not provide audio monitoring to an iPhone or iPad. It is purely for control of the F8.Thank you
@curtisjudd
8 жыл бұрын
+ZoomSoundLab Thanks, very much appreciate your response! Also, I'm loving the F8!
@Jazzmarcel
7 жыл бұрын
i have an h6 and though i like it iam looking for cleaner pre amps.,would this be a better that say buying a steinberg u44 usb interface?
@curtisjudd
7 жыл бұрын
Hi Carl, I haven't used the stein berg U44 so I cannot say for sure. But if your main goal is recording music, you probably should look at something like the Steinberg interfaces which are designed with music recording in mind (whereas the Zoom F8 and F4 recorders are designed primarily for filmmaking - recording production dialogue and sound effects).
@Jazzmarcel
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your advice! I need mobility and battery power! I already carry regularly 2 instruments so can't carry my lapping and interface to gigs! Will the steinberg record music better than this? That's the ultimate question!
@curtisjudd
7 жыл бұрын
If you plan to apply effects while recording, yes, you'll have that option with an interface. Not so with the F4 or F8.
@Jazzmarcel
7 жыл бұрын
I can use this as a usb interface too, right?
@curtisjudd
7 жыл бұрын
Yes, with two minor annoyances: You power it separately (cannot be powered via USB) and have to turn it on, navigate through the menus and switch it to audio interface mode each time you use it with your computer. It is starting to sound like I'm trying to talk you out of the F8 but really I'm just trying to make sure you're not disappointed. :)
@Jazzmarcel
7 жыл бұрын
is there reverb or some effects in this unit?
@curtisjudd
7 жыл бұрын
No, the F8 and F4 are both designed primarily for filmmakers and do not include reverb effects (as that is not something filmmakers would typically apply while recording).
@Jazzmarcel
7 жыл бұрын
Kinda sucks but, I am still think about buying this thing to record gigs! I like the idea of its compact size and Bluetooth functions so if it's got better pre-amps and sound than my zoom h6 I will buy it!
@curtisjudd
7 жыл бұрын
It definitely has cleaner preamps.
@Jazzmarcel
7 жыл бұрын
In your opinion, Other than pre-amps could i expect any other differences between the h6?.... Sorry for my rambling!
@curtisjudd
7 жыл бұрын
The screen on the F8 is better for viewing outdoors in direct sunlight, the body of the F8 is more robust, the F8 has an iOS app which acts like a mixing board and allows you to enter metadata for each take, it uses more batteries and chews through them quite quickly, the gain trim knobs are smaller, though better built on the F8. With the F8 you cannot use a USB external battery, you need a 14V battery which is usually much more expensive than USB batteries, especially when you factor in the cost of a charger and specialized cables (d-tap to 4-pin hirose). The F8 is an incredible recorder for the money. It will work great to record a band or soloist, but won't have things like effects or tuners which are built into the Zoom Handy series of recorders like the H6.
@seanwebb605
6 жыл бұрын
If we don't consider a device like this (at about $1400 Canadian) to be a professional device, then who is really the intended market? That's a lot of money for a hobbyist. Once you add some entry level microphones and accessories you're looking at more than $2000 without even getting into video. Should we assume that this would be for corporations and universities or training purposes? Maybe churches? As a professional you know that this is well below what would be used for high end corporate videos or commercial TV broadcasting. I'm in the same boat. I work at a multi channel TV broadcasting centre in Toronto. The gear we work with day to day is way out of the price range of the indy guys and gals. However, I do work on some side projects from time to time and find myself looking for bare bones production gear. Not the kinds of projects with budgets that would warrant me investing serious money on top notch gear. Lately I have considered purchasing a Zoom H6 or maybe the F8 to work on some science communication projects. I have a Zoom H4N recorder and it has served me well. One project I have in mind might develop into a podcast. Although the expectation isn't that I would achieve network TV or radio production values, if it falls below reasonable standards I might not get a second shot. It's a proof on concept idea. I need to demonstrate that I can produce, write and coordinate the project before bringing on other production staff and asking for a real budget. Do you think that the Zoom H6 or F8 is sufficient enough to warrant the expenditure to present a proof of concept project to serious professionals?
@curtisjudd
6 жыл бұрын
I think this is for people getting their start as pro sound mixers, people with expendable cash, and people who do enough paid jobs to justify the cost. I fall into the last category.
@musicdriven888
6 жыл бұрын
I'm a union sound mixer in LA, and although I wouldn't use this mixer on union shows (the lack of limiters per channel is a the biggest concern), a lot of guys are actually using it on bottom tier union shows and are pretty happy with it. The intended market is extremely obvious to me. It's a good option for guys who are starting out who can't afford a full blown production cart. For a half way legit cart setup you're looking at 20k easy. That's just to get you started with three or four wireless channels and all the little parts that are necessary to do a proper job so that you get rehired.
@seanwebb605
6 жыл бұрын
Moore Huffman Still pretty pricey for entry level. Odd spot on the market.
@musicdriven888
6 жыл бұрын
Sean Webb. Are we taking relatively? Because relative to all other options it’s cheap. Cheapest 8 channel production recorder out there. I think they’ve probably cut all the corners they can while still producing a relatively stable recorder. I would say it’s still a major compromise at that. You get what you pay for. I wouldn’t trust anything any cheaper, you don’t want to set yourself up for failure. You miss more than one take on a job and you probably won’t get hired again by that producer. If we aren’t talking in a “relative” sense then yeah it’s a lot of money. Lots of things cost lots of money though... again, target market on this is obvious.
@seanwebb605
6 жыл бұрын
Moore Huffman I work in TV broadcasting inan age when rather then bringing someone into a remote studio for a double ender programs seem more than happy to insert a video conference or Skype into their video and audio stream. Reporters go live in the field with a Djero hookup rather than satellite uplink or even a microwave signal. With all due respect to high end audio engineers, who is a $1400 audio interface being marketed to if not professionals?
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