deeeeeeeeeeee best man ever but not just for fighting but for giving recipe for life
@Cicikoma
16 жыл бұрын
GREATEST!
@TheKonrad1984
15 жыл бұрын
Big mouth,,great punches,,THE BEST!!!!!!!!!!
@klokanklokic
14 жыл бұрын
Legend!!!
@chaseman12
13 жыл бұрын
Foreman was invincible at the time. He got into his head--George started believing Ali could beat him by the time the bell rang. Just part of Ali's greatness. More than just a boxer.
@loutyr
16 жыл бұрын
Right on!
@risaleforum5493
16 жыл бұрын
Number One...
@81carlos
14 жыл бұрын
"If you think the world was surprised when Nixon resigned, wait until I whoop Foreman's behind!" Besides being the Greatest, Ali was a Hip Hop rap pioneer!
@givemetoast
14 жыл бұрын
Right!
@AbuAmanah
13 жыл бұрын
"He was Caesar and Pope in one; but he was Pope without Pope's pretensions, Caesar without the legions of Caesar: without a standing army, without a bodyguard, without a palace, without a fixed revenue; if ever any man had the right to say that he ruled by the right divine, it was PROPHET Mohammed, for he had all the power without its instruments and without its supports." REVERAND Bosworth Smith, MOHAMMAD AND MOHAMMADANISM, London, 1874, p. 92.
@210772106
15 жыл бұрын
poor guy has parkison and you can hardly hear him when he talks but he was pretty funny back in his day and still has some wit now
@derekleo1989
16 жыл бұрын
"If you think the world was surprised with Nixon resigned, wait till I whip Forman's behind" Amazing.
@BasRutten12
13 жыл бұрын
Like was said before is about in this time most fearles boxer George "black giant" Foreman. Whitch Ali beat in one of most suprising fight on boxing history .
@SinisterSkip
15 жыл бұрын
Listening to Ali, Mr. T actually talks a bit like Ali at 0:43 TWICE!!! :)
@loutyr
16 жыл бұрын
If you knew this guy you wouldn't sigh, you'd applaud.
@onlyjoetee
13 жыл бұрын
@chaseman12 monstrous type fighters,whose style is based soley on power and brute force,were tailor made for Ali,because his style was "scientific"!!its actually very simple,styles make fights.Thats why he was never worried about these power guys!
@chaseman12
13 жыл бұрын
@onlyjoetee Yes! You said it--psychology. Ali got into the bully's head. Outside the ring and then inside. Nothing to do with style outside. Verbal warfare to take the big, bad bully off his game. And, of course, great boxing in the ring. It's a combination. For Ali to beat big Geo, he had to battle his mind before the bout. That's the 'greatness' of Ali--not just floating like a butterfly and stinging like a bee--but his mind. Also, LOL's after your sentences makes you look weak.
@onlyjoetee
13 жыл бұрын
@Thedudeherenow the closest thing to Ali today,stylewise,would be Manny Pacquiao.Come in,throw your punches quickly,then get out,stay on your toes,constant ,movement.This principle is very very effective against any style.It confuses and befuddles opponents,brilliant
@givemetoast
11 жыл бұрын
This interview was about Foreman not Norton.
@onlyjoetee
13 жыл бұрын
@Thedudeherenow his fighting style was unique,cos no one else was doing it.All he used for George was the rope a dope,Archie Moore was doing it in the 30s,very effective against a Foreman type.Ali is immortal,what were his flaws?no infighting,no body punching,no power?with his style,he didnt need all that!Ali fought 15 rnd fights,the last 5 were the Ali Alley,thats what Lyle didnt realize LOL.I dont need any media,i've got eyes!Anyone who knows boxing will tell you,STYLES MAKE FIGHTS!
@privateny
16 жыл бұрын
- "...WHEN Nixon resigned..."
@gdog4
16 жыл бұрын
Ali is not talking about Norton, he's talking about George Foreman...great fight!
@AbuAmanah
13 жыл бұрын
"If greatness of purpose, smallness of means & astounding results r the 3criteria of human genius, who culd dare 2compare any great man in modern history wth PROPHET MUHAMMAD?Philosopher Orator Apostle Legislator Warrior Conqueror of ideas Restorer of rational dogmas, of a cult wthout images; founder of 20 terrestrial empires & of 1 spiritual empire, that is Muhammad. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?" Lamartine
@onlyjoetee
13 жыл бұрын
@Thedudeherenow all boxers have a basic fundamental instinctive style from day one,that never radically changes.A good trainer can tweek a few things,but his essence is the same.Freddie Roach made Pacquiao a 2 rather than 1 handed fighter etc,but his basic style is exactly the same.Floyd Mayweather Sr tried to turn Ricky Hatton into some slick boxer after 41 bouts,didnt work,soon as he was hit,he reverted back to what he knew.Ali always fought like that,even as an amateur.George is George!
@mwoldin
15 жыл бұрын
Ken Norton was not a flash in the pan, and to say so diminishes Ali. Norton was the world heavyweight champion, he TKO'd Jerry Quarry (a formidable fighter), and fought for many years. Let's still to the facts.
@calbo555
13 жыл бұрын
@M1CF1N with ease from 1970-2010 ,, anyone
@onlyjoetee
13 жыл бұрын
@Thedudeherenow when you use the Ali principle,you dont even need to hit hard.just in bang bang quickly then out again,then keep doing that all night,always on the balls of the feet,which improves breathing,its brilliant i tell you.No wonder he said I am the greatest.It was actually true,his fighting principle was the best.You can beat most anyone doing that,regardless how strong he is or how hard he hits,just in and out!!thats all!!
@Thedudeherenow
13 жыл бұрын
Well,the rematch debate can go on and on. More complex than what many believe/ Back to the fight -- Ali's style would not have worked like you thought on a more mentally stable Foreman. Therefore, he weakened the mighty George before the fight. Proving to people everywhere that there is more than what meets the eye. More than what you believe.
@Thedudeherenow
13 жыл бұрын
@onlyjoetee yes, he would train differently. Work on stamina. Cutting of the ring better. Improving. Not attacking when necessary. Studying Ali in the previous fight. Preparing. Train in a non-hostile place. Find his fierce focus again. He wouldn't throw so many in rematch.. Also, you are speculating about the rematch outcome. That isn't tangible, it's disconnected. It was a mind game b4 the fight that gave Ali the edge. Ali didn't want a part of GF again. Just like Leonard and Hagler.
@Thedudeherenow
13 жыл бұрын
@onlyjoetee You are getting lost in words. It wasn't just his ability inside the ring. It was much more than style. Ali was great, not just because of his boxing style.When he says he's great, he's talking more than boxing--he's thinking, strategy, confidence, belief in his God. Anyway, Ali was much deeper than just fighting he was bigger than the sport itself. The greats don't rely on style, they rely on much more. Bruce Lee: "The best style is no style, the best form is no form."
@Thedudeherenow
13 жыл бұрын
@onlyjoetee it's like talking to a rock. You don't get it. I tried. Let go and let the truth in.Maybe your dreams will help. There's more than what meets the eye.Take it easy.
@BlueMoonTM
14 жыл бұрын
@M1CF1N he is 68 now
@onlyjoetee
13 жыл бұрын
@Thedudeherenow you can say anything you like,when you step in the ring,and its just you and him,Styles make fights!!!!!
@Thedudeherenow
13 жыл бұрын
@onlyjoetee You're speculating, and thinking about the match on paper. Foreman had more going on than just big punches. He was a force w/ a confidence and focus so fierce. Ali needed to mess with GF's mind before the fight. The African's were chanting the equivalent of "Ali, kill him." George was a mental wreck over there and it depleted him physically. And if Ali had no worries, then why did he refuse a rematch? George was disrespected by that country. It overwhelmed him. But no rematch?
@onlyjoetee
13 жыл бұрын
@Thedudeherenow Ali had George COMPLETELY!stylistically,psychologically,strategically,physically!WRONG door to knock on twice.Had it opened,George would have fallen straight down a shute at 25 and NEVER been heard of again.Beating no2 from this man would have finished him COMPLETE!!thank God for small mercies and closed doors!The Foreman of the 70s was a very different guy to the affable George of today.Even as champ,he was boo'd & hated everywhere,even in America!2nd KO fromAli?off all people?
@Thedudeherenow
13 жыл бұрын
@onlyjoetee again, for the 10th time, his focus and power punching prowess was depleted because of mind games and foolishness before the fight. He did not understand why he was so hated, made out out be evil.Ali helped that along very well. Make the connection of what went on in Zaire with George and you'll get it. He was 25. A kid! Emotionally immature. He got mind boggled by a veteran 32 year old ex champ. And yes, style changes in fights! Unless you're a robot and have no spirit. Right joe?
@chaseman12
13 жыл бұрын
@onlyjoetee like I said, watch "When We Were Kings." Your opinion is just pride, it's not fact. Yes, Ali was afraid. Foreman gassing out? He didn't need to go past the 5th in most fights bc he knocked them out early. He was in better physical condition than Ali before the fight. He was the ultimate power puncher. He was the King and this was the biggest upset ever at the time.Tyson/Douglas took that title. I admire your love for Ali, he was my favourite 2,but you are so wrong. End. Ali Ali Ali
@onlyjoetee
13 жыл бұрын
@Thedudeherenow There was no rematch,because a rematch would have been the worse thing that ever happened to fragile,hated George Foreman.It would have finished off completely as a boxer and permanently unbalanced him as a man.God is merciful,
@onlyjoetee
13 жыл бұрын
@Thedudeherenow cliche's dont come from nowhere,you'll find that invariably they're always true...
@veeseee128
11 жыл бұрын
woulda been cool if he was talkin about tyson.
@onlyjoetee
13 жыл бұрын
@chaseman12 how the hell would Ali be worried about someone who's entire style is based only on power?who has no stamina?who gases after 2 rounds?who swings wide arm punches like a woman?who has no footwork ,who is only effective against a stationary target?If Muhammed Ali was afraid of these, he would never even have turned Pro in the first place.you said "they" were afraid of Foreman,That is precisely what set Ali apart,he didnt think like "they" did!!EVER!!he was born for those type fighters!
@Thedudeherenow
13 жыл бұрын
@onlyjoetee ha thanks for that. You are thick. I was being sacrastic that you actually brought that up. Tyson had legal troubles going on. Mental issues. Berbick humiliated himself against Tyson. People didn't want to see that again. It's not about changing a style completely,. It's modifying it. George will always be a power puncher. What a gift! But he could work on stamina, work on cutting off the ring. Work in his mental game for the rematch.
@Thedudeherenow
13 жыл бұрын
@onlyjoetee It should have been done way before Jimmy Young. So Young upset Foreman. Upsets happen, joe. It's sport. You must read what I wrote. George crashed a press conference to get a rematch with Ali. Ali said after 2 more fights. Then he retired. Then came back when George was preoccupied with other fights. Ducking him. George got beat by Young, discovered God, ate a lot of hamburgers, came back a decade later and showed how good he was. Anyway, keep working on your music. You'll succeed.
@kingofburlington
14 жыл бұрын
It's about the Foreman fight .... not Norton ...
@onlyjoetee
13 жыл бұрын
@Thedudeherenow i never disagreed that Ali used psychology well,so what.Thats not why George was KOd in Zaire.George DID focus on his power punching prowess,THAT is why he was KOd!he was rope a doped,an oldschool boxing trick used agaist power punchers that guys like Archie Moore were doing way back in the 1930s.You're 25yrs old world champ and undefeated,and you get out your comfort zone and become "emotionally unstable"why cos Ali says he's gonna whup you?LMFAO!
@Thedudeherenow
13 жыл бұрын
@onlyjoetee he ran! he got cute for the judges, it was his only hope. He could not hurt Hagler! He ran and ran and ran and did some silly roundhouses or whatever and the pro Leonard crowd went into a frenzy. A split decision (one judge's score was so off base - 118-110 - while the other 2 were 115-113. Hmmmm, you have to admit something is rotten in Denmark. Hagler forced the fight. Champ should have won. No rematch bc Leonard knew he got lucky with bad judging.No rematch.Hagler then retires.
@B-leave
12 жыл бұрын
Why are you crying about the rematch? Ali beat him way past his best and considering Foreman lost to Jimmy Young (which he needed to win for a return bout) he didnt deserve it.
@onlyjoetee
13 жыл бұрын
@Thedudeherenow a rematch was based on george beating jimmy young in venezuela,but he lost!force is nothing when it meets science.styles make fights.The Ali principle is simply THE BEST way to box.come in,do quick damage,then get out again,staying on the balls of your feet.its brilliant.Try it yourself and see.George stands flatfooted and swing everysingle punch WIDE with ALL his might.Based on styles alone,he would NEVER EVER beat Ali,or anyone who doesnt stand infront of him.Styles make fights
@Thedudeherenow
13 жыл бұрын
@onlyjoetee You brought up the Rocky movie. Good on ya. Watch Rocky Balboa. The final one. Duke made Rocky work on power! He was 58 - they taught an old dog a new trick.He hit harder than ever. At 58. Then it came down to sheer will and determination. All style out the window. Dixon, on a broken hand..wins. And wins the crowd for having heart. / Chess match?! Hagler/Leonard?You're foolish. He ran. Hagler brought the fight. Leo ran.Judges swayed by showboating.Ripped off CHAMP. You're blind! END
@ashisforreal
10 жыл бұрын
LOL Tyson was a child then
@Thedudeherenow
13 жыл бұрын
@onlyjoetee you're contradicting yourself. Yes, because Ali was a master of the deeper things, that is what makes him 'great.' Not just his style.He mastered the head games, taking George out of his zone b4 fight. A depleted, emotionally unstable George wouldn't have the focus and his power punching prowess. Now Ali will just tire unGeorge out and go on a flurry mid fight. You're confused about words;about science,brute force, styles, life. You shall learn. Tis the time. Begone, egoboy,begone
@onlyjoetee
13 жыл бұрын
@Thedudeherenow boxing is not just about being a warrior,thats why you have a strategist called a trainer,who watches hours of tape of your opponent before you meet him,thats why you have a corner,who tell you things you yourself dont even see during the fight itself.You dont understand this sport AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!
@onlyjoetee
13 жыл бұрын
@Thedudeherenow Nah man,stylewise,Ali is NOT a good idea for George,just as George was not a good idea for Joe Frazier,just as Norton was not for Ali.Styles make fights.Marvin hagler didnt want no rematch,he hardly wanted the match itself.He was offered $18million,and that was 1980s dollars!he was tired of boxing in general,his life,his marriage,America(which he felt never loved him)etc.A rematch is not always a good idea!!
@onlyjoetee
13 жыл бұрын
@Thedudeherenow the best way to decide who wins a round in boxing,is to ask yaself a simple ?,whick one of these 2 guys would i rather have been in those 3mins.Watch hagler/leonard again,do that round by round,and see why Ray won.The very fact that he could showboat,means it was "his" fight.if hagler was winning he wouldnt showboat,he couldnt,he'd barely be able to breathe LOL.If Frazier fought Foreman 10x,he's lose all 10,if he fought Ali 10x he'd probably win half,why?styles make fights!
@00tuoyo
15 жыл бұрын
Now I know why Kanye West talks so much! He's trying to be like Ali
@onlyjoetee
13 жыл бұрын
@Thedudeherenow Yeah another beatiing and today,George would not have $100million,be a happy grill sales man,loved by the world and working for HBO,He'd probably be a crackhead somewhere!Thank God for closed door's LMAO
@onlyjoetee
13 жыл бұрын
@Thedudeherenow George Foreman,prime 25yr old undefeated George Foreman,hit Ali with his biggest punches,the same punches that had literally lifted great fighters in the air.Ali looked at him and said "THAT ALL YOU GOT"!!!!LMFAO!!and you want this man twice haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaha
@hansjalv
13 жыл бұрын
The headline is wrong. Should read "Ali re Foreman".
@onlyjoetee
13 жыл бұрын
@Thedudeherenow Ali's strategy would be countered with what?what the fuck else would George do?would a man who NEVER had any stamina suddenly find some?would big George start floating like a butterfly?LMAO.It would have been worse man,he would have been humiliated 10x worse than before!LOL
@chaseman12
13 жыл бұрын
@onlyjoetee no, you are so wrong. Ali was afraid of Foreman--they all were. Foreman was the force at that time. Ali needed a strategy outside the ring as well. You wrote He was never worried about power guys. Who can ever say something like that? Pro boxers would never think that way. Lot more going on in boxing than style in the ring. Watch 'When We Were Kings'...and you'll stop speaking from the hip.
@Thedudeherenow
13 жыл бұрын
@onlyjoetee P.S. Can't teach an old dog new tricks! George was 25! So, I guess no changing strategy, no working on something you're weak at because keyboard warrior onlyjoetee says so, Joe's a musician- guess he will never get better at his instrument. Ali was my all time favorite HWt, but not having a rematch is an abomination. Didn't Ali get one with Leon pronto?He ducked Foreman because his strategy would be countered by the ex champ. Ali should have given rematch. I would have hoped for him.
@pulppeeler
15 жыл бұрын
was that burt sugar in the lower left corner????
@martialfan36
15 жыл бұрын
did norton ever fight frazier if so what happened ?
@onlyjoetee
13 жыл бұрын
@Thedudeherenow i NEVER said boxing is all style,i said STYLES MAKE FIGHTS,everybody knows that except you!!what,you had to read a book to find out what warrior means?LOL.once in the ring,Strategy and Styles rules You wanna be a warrior fine,i'll sit down and plan the best way to frustrate and nulify you,thats boxing!some lead,some counter,some flat footed,some dance,some all power,some are speed,some head hunters,some body snatchers,some talk trash some dont Styles make fights
@Thedudeherenow
13 жыл бұрын
@onlyjoetee then give him the rematch! Make him suffer the second time. Prove it wasn't a fluke!
@onlyjoetee
13 жыл бұрын
@Thedudeherenow Cliche's dont exist for nothing,Styles make fights,Some guys are just wrong for some guys,Be thankful for what you dont get as well as what you do,how and why a round in boxing is actually professionally scored,A rematch with Ali would have been the worse possible thing for fragile minded George Foreman,personally and professionally;All these very obvious things,you will come to see when you come to be.farewell.xx
@onlyjoetee
13 жыл бұрын
@Thedudeherenow well im glad you're laughing,you should do more of it.So it was George's mind that weakened,excuse me,i thought it was being drained by the rope a dope,a serious lack of stamina even at 25,and swinging arm punches that take 2 days to land!LOLAgain i ask,you cant teach an old dog new tricks,and styles make fights,so what would he do in some rematch?WHAT?LOL.This time Ali would probably take him to the 14 instead of the 8th,drain him properly,and we KNOW he has NO stamina LOL
@onlyjoetee
13 жыл бұрын
@Thedudeherenow cant even beat jimmy young and you want Ali rematch?LOL if your name is Muhammed Ali in the mid 70s generating cash is no problem.Ali's true nemesis was Joe Frazier,thats the guy with a style to get him,thats the true rematch.Joe had ENDLESS stamina,could not be rope a doped cos his punches were short,fought on the inside where Ali hated,cut him off,pressured him constantly,force him into the pocket and could knock him down,not George!thx with the music,hopefully you hear me soon
@onlyjoetee
13 жыл бұрын
@Thedudeherenow Buster douglas DID NOT give Tyson a rematch,Tyson DID NOT give Berbick a rematch.Those are FACT!!.You seem to think rematches are automatic for a beaten champion!Boxers start average age 12!!by the time you're 25 thats half your career done already,your chances of becoming something completely different then is zero.Check boxing history,which fighter COMPLETELY changed boxing style mid career?
@onlyjoetee
13 жыл бұрын
@Thedudeherenow Here's a ? for you!why would a man as religious as Muhammed Ali,not to mention with more vanity and confidence in his boxing ability than anyone who's EVER boxed and THE champion no less,be involved in a fix,with Liston,a man who he was twice as fast as,who could barely lay a glove on him and who he had already comprehensively outclassed!Why would he???????????
@Cinque651
15 жыл бұрын
hes obviously talkin bout foreman, not norton
@onlyjoetee
13 жыл бұрын
@Thedudeherenow frustration about what?wouldnt be the same Foreman?so what would be the difference?still no stamina,still swinging arm punches you can see coming a mile away,still flatfooted,still only effective against a stationary target,still a total stranger to the later rounds of a fight!you cant teach an old dog new tricks,and styles make fights,what the fuck new would George do?WHAT?my frustration?you really should learn to laugh more,George did after Zaire,its easy,like this HAHAHAHAHHA
@Thedudeherenow
13 жыл бұрын
@onlyjoetee @onlyjoetee final words. Maybe you will get it. If Ali's style beats GF's style every time, & Ali wasn't worried, then why no rematch? YES, if the ex champ wants a rematch, he gets it. This is BOXING.This is sport. They are PRIZE fighters. MoneyMoneyMoney! Gambling! It would have been the biggest fight ever, biggest payday ever. Bigger than the Frazier rematches. If George is George & can't change, then Ali would have fought him. Good luck w your music. Hope you work on weaknesses.
@onlyjoetee
13 жыл бұрын
@Thedudeherenow brainwashed by what media?if a beautiful woman stands before you,will you need the media to tell you she's hot?you if hear a good tune on the radio,will you need the media to tell you it sounds good?if you eat a good meal in a restaurant will you need the media to tell you it tasted good?what fucking media do you need to tell you about the greatness of Ali's boxing style!!LOL are you blind?
@onlyjoetee
13 жыл бұрын
@Thedudeherenow Ali was better at those "deeper things"than anyone else ever!George aint changing nothing,all he knew was what he did.Ali would def have beaten him again and probably even worse 2nd time just like George's hero Liston.If you understand styles,you'll realize that Zaire wasnt actually an upset AT ALL!Remember what Ali told him as he swung his biggest punches?"that all you got" hahahahaha brute force always loses against science,ALWAYS!!
@onlyjoetee
13 жыл бұрын
@Thedudeherenowstyles make fights,some guys are wrong for some guys.Its like the Rocky movie,When Apollo wants a rematch and his advisors say,he's wrong style for you,and his pride wont listen.The handlers know,especially when the fighters young,it could destroy him permanently!eg Durans people should never have signed for Hearns!wrong style.Mayweather's people kept him away from kostya Tszyu,Styles make fights.Marvin Hagler wanted a war,got a chess match and couldnt cope!Styles make fights!
@veeseee128
13 жыл бұрын
hes talkin about foreman not norton.
@onlyjoetee
13 жыл бұрын
@Thedudeherenow if you were in a ring with Marvin Hagler and HE was beating your ass,do you think you could show boat?hahahahahahahaha
@onlyjoetee
13 жыл бұрын
@Thedudeherenow Ali fought Norton 3x and never looked good against him,some even argue he lost ALL 3 fights,because of Ken's crab style.Some guys are just wrong for some guys.Guys like Ali,Holmes,Jimmy Young who move are wrong for George,and he knows it.Styles make fights.Like you see Floyd Mayweather now,avoiding pacquiao,cos he know's,this style is not good for me,too busy,too much volume etc,cant roll 5/6/7/8 combos.so even tho it would gross $100million,he's apprehensive!Styles make fights
@onlyjoetee
13 жыл бұрын
@Thedudeherenow and when you simply learn more about the sport of boxing,you will realize and understand everything i've said xx
@onlyjoetee
13 жыл бұрын
@Thedudeherenow what exactly dont i get?your style is your style,by the time a professional has had 40 fights,it is very very highly unlikely that he can do anything different,so again i ask,WHAT would George do to avoid a second draining and KO?what exactly?he STILL has no stamina,he STILL all brute force and arm punching,he's STILL flat footed!!and as even you admit ,Ali also had him mentally and psychologically,what would be different?a rematch woulda been 10x worse for poor George!hahahahaha
@onlyjoetee
13 жыл бұрын
@Thedudeherenow if you're George's "people",you want him as far away from Muhammed Ali as possible trust me.Cos he doesnt have the style to beat him and you know it,as well as being mentally fragile,a second defeat would finish him completely like his hero Sunny Liston,he would have NEVER returned!styles make fights,thats the basic law of boxing!!
@Thedudeherenow
13 жыл бұрын
@onlyjoetee See, you're making shit up again. He left boxing after Young, not Ali. Pissed that Ali chickened out. He was ready to fight right away. A warrior wants to get back in the ring to avenge his loss.
@IkPoepEenDrolOpJoden
14 жыл бұрын
how the fuck can u compare ali to kanye
@onlyjoetee
13 жыл бұрын
@Thedudeherenow depleted by what?powerpunching is ALL he did in that fight,didnt you watch it!what mind games?what foolishness?once you step in the ring,its just you and him.Floyd Mayweather fought Ricky hatton,the ENTIRE crowd hated floyd,he still KO him.Thats a professional.the crowd cant fight for you.25 in a career where you start at 12 is not a kid!styles change in fights so why didnt George do something else when he was CLEARLY being rope a doped?
@onlyjoetee
13 жыл бұрын
@Thedudeherenow Liston wanted a rematch with Ali,half way thru he realised fuck this,things are gonna get even worse for me this time, hahahaha styles make fights,believe me,a rematch especially with someone who has beaten you comprehensively and has you mentally and psychologically is not a good idea.if the first fight was close then yes,but when its been a total wipeout?think again George LOL he was damn lucky there was no rematch LMFAO
@onlyjoetee
13 жыл бұрын
@chaseman12 every performer gets nervous before a show,im a musician,i know about that.Foreman always had stamina problems,that is precicely why the rope a dope was so perfect on him.A power puncher with no stamina?in the era of 15 rnd bouts?LOL his punches come so wide you could see them a day in advance,and if it misses,3 rnd worth of energy leaves his body LOL poor George,he didnt even learn to box or smile till Ali KOd him hahaha brute force vs science and psychology? LOL styles make fights!
@onlyjoetee
13 жыл бұрын
@Thedudeherenow you start boxing at 12,by the time you're 25,your style is set,especially if you've used it to beat 40 guys undefeated.Leon spinx was a fool,instead of using the title to go make some money first,he chose to fight Ali immediately.Buster Douglas didnt give Tyson an immediate rematch,Tyson didnt give Berbick a rematch,so what!Ali would beat George foreman 100 out of 100 times based simply on style alone!
@Thedudeherenow
13 жыл бұрын
@onlyjoetee then give him the rematch and prove it wasn't a fluke. Do you get that yet, Joe?You're talking circles again. Yes, that is all George had. See, his power punches weren't the same because his mind and body were weakened. He was depleted before he started. If you were paying attention, you'd understand this by now. Ali should have proved that he is the ultimate champ and give the former champ a rematch. But he didn't. Looks bad, joe, just like u.You will get it one day. Good luck! HA!
@onlyjoetee
13 жыл бұрын
@Thedudeherenow Afraid?of someone you have already outhough,outclassed and KOd?someone who you could make "mentally unstable"at will?hahahahahahahahaha
@Thedudeherenow
13 жыл бұрын
@onlyjoetee No matter what I say, you will just spew a narrow-minded view. It's unnecessary to educate you that there are deeper things going on. I could say that great warriors adapt to any situation and styles may change in battle. Ali may have beaten him again (I liked him more than GF), maybe not...but how can it not happen. The most anticipated event of its time, the biggest boxing upset ever. No rematch? Imagine it at Madison Square Garden. But the Former champ gets no rematch. Ludicrous!
@Thedudeherenow
13 жыл бұрын
@onlyjoetee You are so off. His fighting principal was not unique. It was a strategy. He used much more than STYLE to win, to beat George. Good God! You make him out to be immortal. It's good to love the man but be realistic. He had flaws in ring. Lyle beat him and the fight was stopped.. A lot more going on in boxing than you realize. From your posts, one can tell you are brainwashed by the media or your old man. Delve deeper and the truth will knock you on your ego. Or knock it off ya.
@RomanSedlak
14 жыл бұрын
foreman..not norton
@Thedudeherenow
13 жыл бұрын
@onlyjoetee you alright, man Ease up. Your frustration comes off in your writing. George had enough problems? What the hell? He knocked out his next 5 opponents Including Lyle and Frasier. Then lost to Young, found God, came back and was a force again. What 's with the hahahaha? Are you a teenager because it is foolish/childish. You cannot be an adult and write that way. That would be embarrassing if you are. You fight the ex champ if he wants it! Ali knew it wouldn't be the same Foreman in US
@Thedudeherenow
13 жыл бұрын
@onlyjoetee You're just not making much sense. Contradiction. However you kind of got it with Mayweather. See, he is looking like a coward. A fighter should fight. If he never fights him, his legacy will not be as great as it could be. Floyd is not noble here. If a pro fighter believes in himself,if they believe they are the best, they will go to battle. George wanted rematch.Ali (even though you say his style wins every time) didn't want it. Ali looks afraid just like Floyd.
@onlyjoetee
13 жыл бұрын
@Thedudeherenow Salvador dali talked bullshit,hardly knew what fucking planet he was on,and you're gonna live your life by that?LOL.Whatever happens or doesnt happen in life is always for the best.George would have been beaten very badly again and probably never stepped in a ring again and never become the megarich grinning grill salesman we know and love today!!when a door is closed in your face,be glad.It means whatever was behind it,would not have been in your interest.some wisdom for you..
@onlyjoetee
13 жыл бұрын
@chaseman12 styles make fights.Its easy for an Ali to beat a foreman.George cant handle guys who move,thats why jimmy young beat him,thats why he ducked Larry Holmes,he's only good with a stationary target.Ali could even have beaten him without the rope a dope.And i am very very far from weak,mentally physically or spiritually LOL LOL LOL LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
@Thedudeherenow
13 жыл бұрын
@onlyjoetee haha Sonny Liston. Yeah, he was a young man, eh? haha. Look, in reality I can get through to people who are not aware, but on here just using words, it's difficult to get through to ignorance. The thick don't understand metaphor and sarasm and facetiousness on here. Right, Joe? Words are just 10-20 percent communication.I'll end with: there is more than meets the eye. I see you talk like this to so many. All ego. All opinion. You need to let that go. You need to grow up.
@Thedudeherenow
13 жыл бұрын
@onlyjoetee Running awayand doing fancy punches. Ray did not win that fight.He did not beat the champ! Ray knew to stay away and sway the judges with showboating.A strategy that worked on the pro Ray judges. Ray did not grant a rematch because he was afraid.Like how he avoided the fight for a long time. Then avoided the fight in ring. If Foreman would lose all 10 fights against Ali, then why didn't Ali take the rematch?! More to fighting than meets the eye. A warrior u are not.
@Thedudeherenow
13 жыл бұрын
@onlyjoetee You pull me back in with your ignorance. I actually believe you will get it soon, that's why I keep writing back. Probably not . George's ppl wanted the fight. George wanted the fight.! And let's talk about the Sonny Liston rematch. FIX! Let's talk about Hagler .Leonard DID NOT want a rematch. Hagler, who should have won the fight, got pissed off and retired.You have a lot to learn a bout BOXING. That is it for me. You may have the last word. I will just have the RIGHT ones. LOL!
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