Life pro tip: if you are engaged in private land acquisitions and you want to keep your business and your business partners private, don’t sue the people that you have bought the property from. Now the reasons for the purchases and the identity of the investors are discoverable by the defendants and are much more likely to be made public.
@davematthewes7446
10 ай бұрын
Could then the people being sued flipping it against them, especially if it turns out that the company has foreign assets and individuals behind them
@nunyabisnass1141
10 ай бұрын
To a degree. You can still conceal the parent organisation by operating through a subsidiary. Imagine it as century 21 suing, on all of the court documents they only need to list themselves as century 21, but can be owned and operating at the behest of a different company that owns that franchise. This isn't anything new as many corporations start offshoot companies to act as an LLC shield for the parent company, conceal the involvement of the parent or avoid monopoly laws. The last one is one of the oldest tricks going back to the days breaking up railroad monopolies. Sure the companies and territories were split up into different entities on paper, but still were under the parent in some way.
@gregparrott
10 ай бұрын
True. I would think the military base has already obtained this type of info,
@scottlemiere2024
10 ай бұрын
Unless of course it's an LLC, in which case they only have to disclose the officers of the company.
@nunyabisnass1141
10 ай бұрын
@@gregparrott i do to, someone has to already know, but politics plays a big role in what info is disclosed to the public.
@robertbailey5239
10 ай бұрын
I think the former landowners should countersue for harassment and ask for expedited discovery of the company's financials to discover the owners and source of their funding.
@afriedrich1452
10 ай бұрын
Class action, on contingency, would cover the costs. In that case, I am sure the class action lawyers would make sure their legal fees are paid by Flannery in the countersuit.
@Nickle314
10 ай бұрын
Or offer to buy the land back, say for $50 million
@gizmo-xc4eb
10 ай бұрын
Right. Countersue for more money saying they didn’t charge enough.
@zoneundertop
10 ай бұрын
Buyer beware, willing buyer- willing seller, case closed.
@charlesyoung7436
10 ай бұрын
The defendants' discovery proceedings in this case ought to be a barrel of fun.
@Wrecker3D
10 ай бұрын
So, let me get this straight, you buy land for an agreed upon price (higher than your initial offer but you still said yes to the higher price), then you have "second thoughts" and think you over paid, now you want to sue for "conspiracy to bumping up the prices" ... and want (part of/all) your money back (while keeping the land no doubt) Smell like a scam to me...
@nyssfairchild2244
10 ай бұрын
Yep, that's how the law works! Fuckin love the USA!
@ilvanezzo
10 ай бұрын
god bless america 🫡
@MavHunter20XX
5 ай бұрын
Wait....this sounds familiar. Isn't this what trump is being charged for except no one made the complaint but the AG? Prolly no connection there.
@VertietRyper
5 ай бұрын
@@MavHunter20XXNo, this is just a common scumbag tactic. Trump isn't some kind of trend setter, he saw it happen and work and figured he could do it too. That's all. Edit: I really do suspect it is a Chinese thing.
@govinda102000
4 ай бұрын
It's china. Who else would be so blatant?
@stevensmith8923
10 ай бұрын
People need to tell their representatives to make a law against selling any u.s. land to any foreign entity or persons. If they're not a legitimate us business or US citizen, no sale permitted
@chrisbraswell8864
10 ай бұрын
Very true, the Foreign Governments should never be allowed to own or buy land in the USA especially countries that do not have our interest at heart. They are buying farmland and raising their food and animals here. We should grow it here and sell it to them at our price.
@kimvellore4134
10 ай бұрын
Also you cant buy any Chinese land
@khm2128
10 ай бұрын
Then we need to elect representatives who will represent.
@pelleoh
10 ай бұрын
Then keep US military out of the rest of the world. You know the US are illegally in Syria stealing their oil, right?
@deborahsevigny4763
10 ай бұрын
Agreed, they've been doing this for decades. I first heard about this in the 70s. It's scary to think a communist country can own land here.
@musictosoothe
10 ай бұрын
Lawsuit shouldn't have even gotten this far. Should be tossed out. No one forced the buyer to pay what they did....they came and wanted to buy. Of course the price is higher when someone really wants to buy it. No one stopped the buyer from doing due diligence to determine the value of the land. Obviously these buyers don't know anything about capitalism.
@elrafa3957
10 ай бұрын
This is Just a shady attempt to get their money back… in other words, a way to legally steal the land from them. This seriously needs to be INVESTIGATED and the Shady Company owners incarcerated.
@primafacie9721
10 ай бұрын
Actually, they understand American capitalism quite well continuing the long tradition of rich corporations using SLAPP lawsuits as a weapon. And even Trump has a long history of refusing to pay contractors and getting price reductions after confronting the contractors with his array of lawyers.
@MonkeyJedi99
10 ай бұрын
This reminds me of people who buy a house under the flight path of an airport and then sue the airport for all the planes making noise.
@MrJeffcoley1
10 ай бұрын
Exactly. Even IF the farmers conspired, nobody forced the buyer to pay their price. "Is that your name on the deed? Congratulations - you're a f'ing owner." HOWEVER, I hope if is IS a Chinese shell company, or a front, they get exposed.
@ianbelletti6241
10 ай бұрын
Exactly. You want to buy and I don't want to sell. Of course it's going to take more money to convince me to change my mind. If you don't think it's worth the money then you don't have to offer me the price that will convince me to sell.
@saldiven2009
10 ай бұрын
This is a shake down. They offered over market value to get people who weren't interested in selling to agree to the sale, then file this lawsuit to try to claw back as much of the money as they can.
@GrumpyIan
10 ай бұрын
And more land
@100pyatt
10 ай бұрын
BINGO 💯✅
@brotherbruns2989
10 ай бұрын
Exactly.
@robryan751
10 ай бұрын
Hold on. I get people can be evil but how do you do this without cost? What lawyer is going to take this on for a possible, very unlikely pay out?
@saldiven2009
10 ай бұрын
@@robryan751 I would bet money that the people behind the whole thing are lawyers themselves.
@gadz00ks
10 ай бұрын
If this goes through I can't wait for all the lawsuits against companies for "conspiring to overcharge" for a product.
@ulture
10 ай бұрын
printer ink is about to get real cheap
@rouninpanda6318
10 ай бұрын
Right, it sounds like these landowners were only guilty of doing the very thing all these other monopolistic companies do when they agree to corner a market and jack up the prices. Telecoms come to mind. Airlines. God forbid Joe Shmo try to get some extra profit from a one time sale of his family's generational land and legacy to a corporation that's probably just going to put up more crappy "luxury" apartments/condos no one can afford. It makes sense for them to ask for more money anyway, since by the time sales are finalized the money will only be worth half as much after inflation.
@gadz00ks
10 ай бұрын
It would only be monopolistic if those people owned all the land everywhere. If they're not the only suppliers, it's not monopolistic behaviour. No one has to buy that land and it's not in high demand to anyone but those people that bought it. But the description of "conspiring to overcharge" is the same as any company's pricing department. They always settle on a price as high above the cost of manufacturing as they think people will pay. "Conspiring to overcharge." @@rouninpanda6318
@larryjanson4011
10 ай бұрын
yea. like the price of gasoline. might drop down to prices people can afford.
@bradleyreed8876
10 ай бұрын
Pharmaceutical companies won't like that. Oh well. 🙂
@willywit2194
10 ай бұрын
Suisun/ Fairfield city council just reinforced the Land Use regulations around Travis air Force Base because of this. I saw the maps of where this company has specifically brought their plots of land. It's conspicuously wrapped around Travis air Force Base. they have also purchased many other sites in California that seem suspicious. In my opinion, they paid a high price to get something highly prized. Yes, someone should have woke up about national security a while ago...
@RoseNZieg
10 ай бұрын
the land grab was very shady. I hope the farmers prevail.
@bobsworld2351
10 ай бұрын
😊
@evelynwaugh4053
10 ай бұрын
We shouldn't allow foreign investment in precious and limited US resources, like land. It's just too risky, economically and national security-wise.
@ThereIsNoOtherHandleLikeMine
10 ай бұрын
@@evelynwaugh4053 Americans shouldn't own businesses outside the US either, but they do. Now what?
@reedwright301
10 ай бұрын
@@ThereIsNoOtherHandleLikeMineBusinesses are not land holdings
@ThereIsNoOtherHandleLikeMine
10 ай бұрын
@@reedwright301 Assets are assets. The type is irrelevant. American businesses in other countries own land too. What was your point?
@michaeltorres877
10 ай бұрын
The farmers can find out exactly who is behind the company when they file for discovery in the law suit.
@colep5867
10 ай бұрын
It's Just That Simple......
@tomhenry897
10 ай бұрын
Be so many shell companies never get to the end
@zaphodbeeblebrox2202
10 ай бұрын
Landgrab, Inc a Delaware corporation...
@garymartin9777
10 ай бұрын
I'm more concerned the government says it has no clue. That is outrageous.
@jboy804
10 ай бұрын
@@garymartin9777Yea, a foreign national company is buying land RIGHT next to an air force base, one were not exactly militarily friendly with... Yeah, that smacks of a national security issue. Love how are government dropped the ball on that AGAIN just to kowtow to unfettered Capitalism. Lovely.
@tinajoerossignol
10 ай бұрын
This law suit needs to be tossed out, injured farmer needs to be reimbursed for the money spent on defense and the bodies behind the company needs to outed and fined. Also, the military needs to investigate who's actually doing the buying, for their own protection and the protection of our country. And a cap needs to be placed on foreign countries buying American land.
@sharon94503
10 ай бұрын
I'm very concerned. I go to Fairfield every week and the implications are concerning that China or foreign entities are buying land so close to a military installation. How the Government doesn't have a larger buffer zone around the AFB is puzzling.
@awakenotwoke1973
10 ай бұрын
There's something very wrong when citizens can't buy a stick of gum without the government being able to trace them, but large parcels of land can be sold without anyone being able to find out who bought it.
@2FRESH-4U
10 ай бұрын
This is what happens when foreign governments are allowed to buy in to their enemies countries thank Obama
@stuartpeabody503
10 ай бұрын
It should all be public information
@dstarfire42
10 ай бұрын
If you want to form a shell corporation to conceal YOUR gum purchases, that's entirely possible and generally legal. It's just silly. But, when you're spending millions to acquire real estate over time, it makes a lot more sense to conceal your identity to discourage people from trying to cash in as middlemen or acquire a parcel of land essential to your project and then try to extort a huge selling price from you. Like when Walt Disney was making Disneyworld, and bought up all that cheap Florida real estate through dummy corporations for just that reason.
@a.n.7863
10 ай бұрын
Who says the government doesn’t know? The same ones who say they don’t know whose cocaine was at the WH?
@ohsweetmystery
10 ай бұрын
We are being ruled by the braindead. This is our best hope that we will eventually get our country back.
@tombloss3294
10 ай бұрын
If the farmers are bankrupted by the lawsuit, the company is probably hoping to buy the rest of the farm near the air force base at a much lower price but with much more land. Foreign investment of US land should not be allowed.
@mb-3faze
10 ай бұрын
You would have thought they would have lots of money - after all, they just sold a bunch of land at inflated values.
@akulkis
10 ай бұрын
Foreign investment is exactly that.... a foreigner dumping money INTO your economy. I considered buying (and should have, in retrospect) land near St. Petersburg, Russia, as I felt that the economy had no way to go but upwards. And that's exactly what happened.
@quakers200
10 ай бұрын
If you care to look it up you might fine that Americans own just about the same amount of land in China as they do here. In one report there were at least fifty countries where Americans own land, large amounts in Europe, many of the island and other vacation spots so no we have large land holdings all over the world. If anything I would be concerned about Africa where China is going heavily into mining and other natural resources. China wants to survive and prosper just like any other country. They have a terrible government but it is the same government Nixon opened up to so our corporations could export jobs to where labor is cheep and make more money. Can't blame China for our willingness to make a bad deal so that Sam Walmart could flood America with stuff from China. Just my opinion.
@msmuffet1
13 сағат бұрын
Most of the property in Washington DC is own by other countries.
@ohsweetmystery
10 ай бұрын
If the government feels threatened by people owning this land, they need to just buy the land themselves.
@roytallericoGunner
Ай бұрын
It should be a law that American land not be sold to Foreign interests.
@ThatJPGamer
10 ай бұрын
Crazy that an entire investigation can be launched and they still have no idea who actually runs the company. How any company can be allowed to operate completely anonymously is beyond me.
@ssgtmole8610
10 ай бұрын
It is part of the stupid idea that corporations are people too. 🤪
@prototype_0xD1
10 ай бұрын
It's China. They're known for doing this
@Jirodyne
10 ай бұрын
@@ssgtmole8610 Even in that cause, people how to MAKE the company, right? There must be a Paper Trail of who created the Company. Cause if there isn't, how can we track if the Company is Legal or no? How do we know the company Exists or not? Follow the Paper Trail and Money. They paid these farmers, right? Where did that payment come from? Which account, and who owns that account?
@jwenting
10 ай бұрын
dozens of shell companies, eventually dead ending in foreign countries with little or no oversight and/or no treaties with the US about sharing such information. It's not that hard, but it does show intent to do something shady.
@Londubh
10 ай бұрын
@@ssgtmole8610tell me you don't understand _Citizens United_ without saying you don't understand _Citizens United_
@tommercer3226
10 ай бұрын
If Ford sold me a truck well over MSRP due to market demand and I pay it I don't stand a chance with the courts suing them. But if a corporation buys my land at over inflated prices, I can get sued? American lawyers at their best or Chinese lawyers using American justice at its best.
@lgDukeCity5018
10 ай бұрын
@tommercer3226 100 %
@stevechance150
10 ай бұрын
This is America, anyone can sue anyone at anytime for anything. I could probably use myself even.
@TheDuckofDoom.
10 ай бұрын
Socialist CA price-control laws at their best. This is not a federal lawsuit nor a judicial problem, it is a socialist legislation problem.
@MR.Drowsy158
10 ай бұрын
Literally, if you don't want to sell, it's going to take more money than everyone else's offer to make me consider changing my mind, and they had the choice to simply not purchase.
@kfelix2934
10 ай бұрын
@@stevechance150 And you will probably win ;)
@leecox1513
10 ай бұрын
If the buyers can get away with such a scheme, it points to the elimination of contract law. I.e., a valid agreement between buyer and seller will no longer exist. I was taught in my Business Law class I took in my Business Administration college major that a valid contract included an offer, an acceptance and "consideration" (the money paid). Such a lawsuit here would turn contract law upside-down, if the lawsuit were successful, that is.
@dw3403
7 ай бұрын
I you bought a house for $200.000 and the next year the value dropped. Who do you sue?
@jrevan
Ай бұрын
It’s very disturbing that the US government would allow a known enemy to buy any land in this country period.
@aCycloneSteve
10 ай бұрын
So my neighbor has told me he doesn't want to sell me his land. I can offer him 4 times what it's worth to get him to accept then... File suit in court and make him give me back 75% of the money? WTF?
@GregMoress
10 ай бұрын
Minus $100K for the judge.
@barnabusdoyle4930
10 ай бұрын
Not to get your money back, but to bankrupt your neighbor and be able to pick up the rest of his land for pennies on the dollar
@dontaylor7315
10 ай бұрын
Imo (and I'm not a lawyer) the elephant in the room is that our court system is designed so that you can get only as much justice as you can afford to buy.
@GamesFromSpace
10 ай бұрын
Most laws exist to protect wealth. The rest of the laws exist to make sure people aren't too upset about the former laws.
@Jesus_equals_LOVEnForgviness
10 ай бұрын
It's Travis where I live. It's scary. They're buying it way over value. We need to change the laws immediately to make transparency mandatory. Our government should force re-sale under eminent domain.
@DeAndre1970
10 ай бұрын
They paid 5 times over the actual appraisal price. I live near the base as well.
@dw3403
7 ай бұрын
@@DeAndre1970 No gun was held to their heads to agree with the price.
@gbprime2353
10 ай бұрын
Do the people they're suing still own more land in that area? If the only folks they're suing have more land, then the objective might very well be to bankrupt those folks with legal costs and snatch the rest of their land on the cheap.
@GrumpyIan
10 ай бұрын
That's what it sounds like to me as well. If China was wanting the land to spy on the base they would have ate the cost.
@tsandhage
10 ай бұрын
I agree and I think this is the reason for the lawsuit.
@johaquila
10 ай бұрын
I think it's more likely that the company buying the land made a fatal mistake. Similar to companies buying cheap houses that they have never seen, they probably tried to grab undervalued land that might at some point become a building area, but didn't have air force bases (which make this impossible) in their evaluation criteria. Now they have buyer's remorse and are looking for a way out.
@Razmoudah
10 ай бұрын
You really know a company is doing something evil when even a lawyer says that it's bad with no qualifiers.
@basillah7650
10 ай бұрын
Here is the truth Chinese company got shady US Lawyers to buy the land thinking they could use it to spy on air force base but then backed out seeing its useless to spy on so now lawyers are screwed and want to pay less.
@MtgCoach
10 ай бұрын
Bill Gates has been buying up farmland...
@znail4675
10 ай бұрын
Any judge should dismiss this case ASAP as just the fact that this is even allowed to continue can be used as coercion against future sellers.
@SteveBueche1027
10 ай бұрын
Who wants to buy land next to the Air Force base is a major concern. Enemies or developers, both are not good.
@Wildman4910
10 ай бұрын
If those corporate fools paid 10x the going rate that’s their problem, the farmers should counter sue for 100x of their loses fighting this.
@reneenielson610
10 ай бұрын
15,000 an acre isn’t a bad deal.
@stevechance150
10 ай бұрын
A corporation is accusing people of "Conspiring together to inflate the price" of something. I am literally Laughing Out Loud. The irony!!!
@chaoticwonder3278
10 ай бұрын
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck. And a scam by Flannery. The AG needs to investigate this.
@spikey2740
10 ай бұрын
If the Judge chooses to do so, he/she can throw out all the suits and make the mystery buyer pay all costs for this frivolous mess. And maybe invalidate all the purchases, returning all to the original owners without any further money changing hands, saying the buyer took a chance and lost - it happens at the crap tables all the time.
@lindawilson4625
10 ай бұрын
One tack the gov could use is to play the eminent domain card against the foreign purchasers. They been using it unjustly against our citizens for years. Property near an airforce base would certainly qualify.
@tatkkyo9911
10 ай бұрын
Base needs more housing always
@grantaldous
10 ай бұрын
THIS is an excellent idea if the gov would only compensate for the true value of the land, not the inflated price! 😁
@suedenim9208
10 ай бұрын
Exactly. What could make more sense than buying the land back at the now established fair market price of $800 million, just because we're not happy about who owns it?
@lindawilson4625
10 ай бұрын
@@suedenim9208 No. What happens is once your property is in the crosshairs of eminent domain the value plummets. I saw this happen many times in CA and read about it happening all over the country. In this case the farmers sell their land, the "whoever" entity buys it, then the eminent domain action by the airforce would start. I hate eminent domain, but someone very shady is going after these properties and deserve some pain in the pocketbook.
@megalodon1726
10 ай бұрын
It would be better if the govt simply blocked foreign purchasers from buying US farmland. Many (maybe most) other countries don't let foreigners own their farmland.
@Ericbjohnston5150
10 ай бұрын
Lawsuit should be tossed.
@OneWildTurkey
10 ай бұрын
and countersuit given summary judgement with all costs covered. maybe even fines for malicious prosecution. (yes, works for criminal and civil)
@ZboeC5
10 ай бұрын
If Congress actually cared we'd have laws saying non citizens can't own land in our country. This should have been made law decades ago honestly.
@shauny2285
10 ай бұрын
Come now, laws are only good if they are enforced. Politicians these days ignore those laws they dislike.
@jocktulloch3499
10 ай бұрын
Sounds like a frivolous 'slap suit' that the court should throw out. The company doing the suing approached the farmers to sell. Buyer beware.
@cohenworrior898
10 ай бұрын
If they think they overpaid, why did they buy it?
@Gary71731
10 ай бұрын
Chinese got caught buying property to use for spying, realized they got caught, and are now trying to claw the money back.
@colep5867
10 ай бұрын
That in itself is not a very helpful argument. We have laws against price gouging. "Don't buy it because it's overpriced" obviously doesn't always suffice.
@hirotakasugi4891
10 ай бұрын
@@colep5867Doesn’t work if the agreed upon price is proposed by the buyer.
@danamoore1788
10 ай бұрын
I think the pertinent detail was farmers unable to pay lawyer and court fees. They could lose the rest of their land for pennies on the dollar averaging out the 'overpay' to negligible amounts.
@lgDukeCity5018
10 ай бұрын
@@colep5867 Nobody forced them to buy the land.
@solidmoon8266
10 ай бұрын
I can garuntee that if it was the other way around, theyd be laughing all the way to the bank. These companies inflate crap all the time, yet as soon as it's done to them, they cry and start filing lawsuits. This is a blatant malicious litigation and should be shut down in a heartbeat.
@willywit2194
10 ай бұрын
The area around TFAB has always been agriculture. when I live there, it seemed like a patriotic neighborly agreement, with regulations, about land use a PROVIDED a very useful safe zone around TAFB.
@toddwestin3219
10 ай бұрын
The government should now step in and annex the land to add to the Air Force Base-----BOOM!
@gholland5840
2 ай бұрын
Expand Minot? That would absolutely tank airforce reenlistment rates.
@genevieveard2246
10 ай бұрын
I hope the farmers prevail, and the US Government moves in and seizes the land until the 'owners' are divulged fully, and if China is behind it? The land is seized under Civil Asset Forfeiture.
@rogerdavies6226
10 ай бұрын
Naw not civil asset forfeiture, Right of Eminent Domaine
@jplayzow
10 ай бұрын
That's not what Civil Asset Forfeiture is, we have eminent domain for the government to take things legally and 'fairly' in place already. CAF is just stealing but when cops do it we call it CAF
@MrTruckerf
10 ай бұрын
Don't even think about CAF! It has gone crazy and must be abolished.
@kn4cc755
10 ай бұрын
You might be on to something. If the funds used to make the purchase cannot be determined to have legitimate sources, there are definite precedents for seizure.
@johnnycab8986
10 ай бұрын
The business buying the land is probably some democrat connected cronies that have some scheme like some renewable energy BS that will be built on it, then the energy will go to the military base which will pay exorbitant fees. There is no way in hell this isn't some politically affiliated scheme.
@brodymanandts
10 ай бұрын
A few years ago I was working on an air force base. The base announced a new munitions storage area and that they would have to buy all of the land outside of the base near the storage area. A person bought the land near it (it was a wooded area with nothing on it) then he hurriedly built a house on it thinking he could make a quick buck. The air force then said nope we will pay the price of the property at the time we announced. The developer then sued the air force to get the money he thought he deserved The judge throw out the base and warned the developer that he may have broken a few laws when he built the building and suggested he not pursue it any further. The government, of course, did pursue it and he ended up being fined for more money than the property was worth.
@recoveryrider6183
10 ай бұрын
Yeah I thought of this too. Wouldn't be the first time someone got insider info and purchased land.
@brolohalflemming7042
10 ай бұрын
@@recoveryrider6183 There's also a thing called a 'ransom strip'. Someone buys a bit of land that has no real commercial value, like a strip of land alongside a building or another plot that's too small to build a property on. It does however allow them to try and charge a lot of money to anyone who needs access across that land to run utilities, or road access. It often doesn't work with surrounding federal or public works because they can often use eminent domain or compulsory purchase to buy the land at fair value. Another strange aspect to this case being reported in some news is that landowners are also being sued for lost profits from land they didn't buy. I really don't understand how they hope to win that one, although if they do it could be lucrative to sue everyone for investments I didn't make.
@Matt-yg8ub
10 ай бұрын
This only works… when it’s the federal government pushing back. They take what they want and pay the lowest price…. But if your a private developer or local gov… you’re required to disclose your plans to build in advance , and then private citizens are allowed to extort you for 10 times. what the value of the property you need is worth. This happened years ago in Denver, where RTD needed to expand a light rail, line, and a mom and pop business owner stood in their way demanding insane amounts of money for their tiny little shop … and they got every last penny, because they got Jesse Jackson on their side
@fercho.7776
10 ай бұрын
I wish this kind of law enforcement happened in Mexico. every public land acquisition is filled with gov workers sudnelly buying land cheap and reselling it as gold 🙄
@brodymanandts
10 ай бұрын
I was talking to a guy I used to work with about this today and I made one mistake. It wasn't a house he built, it was a commercial property (a warehouse). He thought that by building a commercial property he would turn the land into commercial real estate so it would be even more expensive.
@Mullins23
10 ай бұрын
No US land should ever be owned by non us citizens
@ippolitius
Ай бұрын
Our government likes it this way cause it brings in foreign capital.
@TheBoogerJames
10 ай бұрын
Is private citizens "colluding" to increase the value of their property even illegal? Seems like a legit thing to do in a land grab.
@garymartin9777
10 ай бұрын
It is absurd that FedGov claims they do not know who is behind Flannery. Company ownerships are not secret in the US. This is something that shouldn't take more than a couple of phone calls or letters to determine.
@Mysdia
10 ай бұрын
They're an LLC in Delaware; a state which allows you to register a corporation without registering your ownership and without making them a public record. The government has no way of obtaining the information of their owners then. This all changes next year when every organization registered with Any secretary of state in the US is mandated to file a BOI Registration with FinCEN listing all owners of beneficial interest.
@scotttyner5375
10 ай бұрын
@@Mysdia I say take the land and make them prove they are the owners!!
@andidede3653
10 ай бұрын
@@Mysdiathe government can find out in a heart beat.
@-Bill.
10 ай бұрын
Seems like the NSA would already know. Their whole purview is preventing espionage within the United States.
@chopses8391
10 ай бұрын
a well established legal principal called "piercing the corporate veil" would not only require this information to be discoverable but also can be used to force liability on the owners of the LLC. especially easy to accomplish if the LLC is a single entity. Paper strawmen are not as effective as the public believes them to be.
@jeffhays1968
10 ай бұрын
Mystery = CHINA
@keensweep
10 ай бұрын
While trying to get public documents and discovery for a court hearing, I feel like my local government has conspired to deny rights and cover their wrongdoing.
@eutha6
Ай бұрын
A while back people were up in arms because they bought homes near Oceana NAS-they were mad because jets were flying day and night. -people pushed back and made 'I love Jet Noise' bumper stickers-good times in VA
@danajorgensen1358
10 ай бұрын
Last I heard, they were also suing land owners surrounding Travis AFB who refused to sell, like a private entity can invoke Eminent Domain.
@jamesedmond3351
10 ай бұрын
Happens in Texas.
@writerconsidered
10 ай бұрын
They can Kilo v New London.
@davidroads419
5 ай бұрын
The SCOTUS said private for-profits can. The conservative court is pro-business all the way.
@alexkirsch7533
4 ай бұрын
Eminent domain still exists today, it must be abolished.
@tourneynet8557
10 ай бұрын
I bet something was going to happen that the company knew was going to happen and was doing a land grab to make money on land. But the deal fell through and now the company wants out.
@originalzorch
10 ай бұрын
I agree
@originalzorch
10 ай бұрын
But they paid the price so it's on the buyers winner
@kevinmach730
10 ай бұрын
I think you're on the right track. They speculated incorrectly, and now they are simply desperate.
@davidtherwhanger6795
10 ай бұрын
My guess is whoever these people are they heard Travis was going to expand. Not knowing which way, bought up as much as they could everywhere around Travis AFB. But put an idiot in charge of getting the land and got took to the cleaners (I have heard they paid 10 times the going price for land around there). So now it doesn't matter if Travis does expand or not they can never even make their money back on the land. So are now trying to get out of it and recoup what they can.
@MonkeyJedi99
10 ай бұрын
Like when a company buys a lot of land along a projected new highway's path, but then the highway is moved.
@patmcdonald766
10 ай бұрын
we need a law that our enemies can not buy land in America. The land needs to be owned by individual taxpayers. NO Companies or LLC's just PRIVATE Citizens. All buyers need to be identified at purchase and anytime the owners changes. I live within 90 miles of Grand Fork and involved with RAISING RED FLAG
@TDC_Dragon
10 ай бұрын
One has to ask, why does the People's Republic of China want to buy land next to a U.S. military installation anyway? One has to wonder, why is it legal for foreign agents to buy land in the United States at all?
@miamijak1
10 ай бұрын
It should be illegal for foreigners to buy land here. This case should be thrown out with extreme prejudice.
@bayoumeme7743
10 ай бұрын
That’s a felonious lawsuit. In Louisiana the group that sued can be sued back for a felonious suit to recoup their attorneys fees and costs
@JohnSpo
10 ай бұрын
I was just reading about this maybe ten minutes before you posted this video. I find it strange that a group that wants to remain inconspicuous would draw attention to themselves and risk being scrutinized by filing this lawsuit. If it was Chinese money with bad intentions I think they'd want to fly under the radar and not file frivolous law suits.
@soapflakes
10 ай бұрын
I mean, at the same time, no one’s ever accused the CCP of being intelligent, if it were them 😂
@since1876
10 ай бұрын
Yeah, if it's China, you'd think they'd just buy the land and not give a fuck about the 800 million because having eyes on Travis is more valuable than 800m. But I dunno.
@josephs3973
10 ай бұрын
The federal government has spent the last eight months trying to figure out who the hell is behind it, without success. I'd say they have proved they can do whatever they want without repercussions, publicly or not.
@afriedrich1452
10 ай бұрын
It is so shady, and the lawsuit is so ridiculous, that only the CCP could think of it.
@holgerchristiansen6012
10 ай бұрын
Maybe CCP buyed the land and now some politician want to try to pocket the money if he win the law suit. The CCP a of course paying the law suit.
@MW-xm1rc
10 ай бұрын
Here, in Madison Wisconsin a home next to the football stadium was bought and the people complained about the noise on game day.
@skyphantom29
9 ай бұрын
No foreign power should be allowed to buy land period
@kamilegier4730
10 ай бұрын
No foreign nations should be allowed to buy any farm land or any land around or near military bases, or land around national monuments or oil rich land, or timber land
@Z4Zander
10 ай бұрын
Want to hear a joke? Foreigners can't buy land in China. Want to hear another one? OPEC.
@Pepeekeo808
10 ай бұрын
@@AscDrew Tell that to Canada. Canadians own 12,845,000 acres of US farmland about 3 times more than any other country. Netherlands in second 4,875,000.
@stripe1000
10 ай бұрын
I think as a judge in this case they should probably review the sale contract, if it is all in order then dismiss the case and tell the plaintiff "If you don't want to pay the asking price, then next time don't sign the contract."
@basillah7650
10 ай бұрын
Here is the truth Chinese company got shady US Lawyers to buy the land thinking they could use it to spy on air force base but then backed out seeing its useless to spy on so now lawyers are screwed and want to pay less.
@richardschaeffer3204
28 күн бұрын
My accounting professor told our class... in America, you have the freedom to enter bad contracts. 🎉
@SuperWooba
10 ай бұрын
The discovery process will drag out the truth of why that company is buying up land.
@PeterSedesse
10 ай бұрын
A few more facts if I understand it. The group ended up paying more than 10x the going rate for farmland in that area, which is why the feds got so interested . There is no way a farmer could justify paying that price, and the area around an air force base of that size is unusable and not zoned for any other purpose. And the second part is that a friend and fellow farmer was the one giving counter-offers that drove up the price...and there were suspicions that he had no intention of buying the land. Farming is not an easy business, and starting off with land at 10x the price is just asking for bankruptcy..maybe it wasn't china, but somebody is up to no good.
@RenDaad
10 ай бұрын
Yes ... something is DEFINITELY up!!
@jeffnorris8848
10 ай бұрын
So the allegations is a bidding war between the unknown company and an unknown farmer??? Again the company could just walk away.
@joev2223
10 ай бұрын
I'm not commenting on the farmers, but the company did not need the land, they could have walked away.
@PeterSedesse
10 ай бұрын
@@jeffnorris8848 yeah, I am not saying they have a case, I am just adding a little bit of facts to the case. It adds suspicion on both sides.. it is very easy to research the value of farmland or pasture land in an area...so it sends up huge red flags if someone overbids by that much next to an air force base. Or that another party was counterbidding that high.
@TheDuckofDoom.
10 ай бұрын
Competing offers are irrelevent. The only way that conspiring to make fake bids would be a problem is if it was a true auction and some bidders or sellers were not equally bound to the purchase commitment rules of the auction. As a general market buyer I don't care what the other offers are, I only know what value the land has to me and that is the maximum offer I will make. I may initially make a lower offer on the chance that the land has a lower value to the current owner and wait for a counter offer, but that has nothing to do with other potential buyers.
@mrbill2600
10 ай бұрын
In Santa Barbara County, CA the Chumash Indians have a casino that is bordered on one side by a State Hwy. Not willing to expand on the reservation they purchased farmland on the opposite side of the highway in order to build a hotel for their casino. Upon the start of construction, an Indian burial ground was found to exist, and by their own laws construction ceased, the land was restored to its original condition, and nothing can be built on that property. They offered to sell the land back to the farmer but he told them no thanks, that he had retired.
@the_omg3242
10 ай бұрын
Even if he hadn't retired, who wants to farm on an indian burial ground? And even if he did, the tribe probably would have sued him for it.
@mrbill2600
10 ай бұрын
@@the_omg3242 Exactly ... However, on a different occasion in Carpinteria, CA a Chumash burial ground was found under an 1890s home overlooking the Pacific Ocean. The owner went to the tribe and was given permission to remodel the home on the condition that they respected and protected their dead. The owner told me that his family has had nothing but good fortune since that agreement.
@pattimessenger6214
10 ай бұрын
I was stationed at Travis AFB for 6 months n 1978. I drove from San Francisco. Mom met me at SFO, she brought my car for me. I had missed dinner. I arrived at Travis, and the dining hall was closed, so I left base to find a fast food restaurant. I got so lost! Farmland for miles and miles. Finally got smart and parked my car, and watched for Air Force jets. At first light, I saw a C-5 take off very far away. It was the most beautiful thing I had ever seen! I worked my way that direction, and got there just in time to check in for work! Now that beautiful farmland has been bought up by a group with possible nefarious intentions? Possible un-American intentions? Outrageous!
@DanielLopez-up6os
10 ай бұрын
Let's not make sure The people behind the Companies get exposed.
@TheMAZZTer
10 ай бұрын
Reminds me of when Disney bought the land in Florida to build Walt Disney World. They used shell companies so nobody would realize Disney was buying up all the land and would hold out for a better deal.
@GeneralChangFromDanang
10 ай бұрын
The company I work for has been doing that lately. They will buy it under other businesses that are "owned" by people in the c-suite.
@elrafa3957
10 ай бұрын
Nothing Close to Disney in Florida….Airforce base an electric grid…. Much different
@jeromes58
10 ай бұрын
Exactly
@notmyname3883
10 ай бұрын
@@elrafa3957 Do you understand the word "principle?" Or "similarity?" The man's suggesting that it may all be done under the umbrella of one entity - like, for instance, a foreign government.
@elrafa3957
10 ай бұрын
@@notmyname3883 I do, but do you? There’s a VERY big difference between Disney and Mystery Real Estate Buyer. Big Difference between land in the middle of Florida as opposed to land surrounding Electric Grid and Davis Air Force Base… One everyone knows about what it was being Purchased by and for. The Properties in California are surrounding two major locations by Unknown Entities that Nobody knows about their INTENTIONS and can be catastrophic as opposed to … Knowing that it’s Fun, that is going to be built at Orlando. Big Big Big difference” not your name “ ( who’s name is it anyway?)
@nukepuke932
10 ай бұрын
Ben casually wielding a sword to protect Great Virginia.
@jwenting
10 ай бұрын
People near airports and airbases have been suffering from such things for decades, and not just in the US. The buyers buy the land for the sole purpose of extorting money from the sellers or the airport owners, then (whether they succeed or fail at the extortion) they sell it again, usually at a profit. Though here they usually claim that the land wasn't worth what was charged because of the noise from the airport (despite the airport having been there for decades, in cases a century, before the sale, so the noise levels were well known and published).
@ginger6582
10 ай бұрын
This country has gone bonkers. You wanted the land, you bought it, you keep it, leave the sellers alone. Now can anyone sue for over pricing house sales? Money wars?
@cleanpowerelectric
10 ай бұрын
I conspired with my neighbours to sell our 7 city lots to a developer for twice the value they were assessed. The developers still did well on the deal and congratulated us on our business sense. Perhaps it’s a Canadian thing, but no one got sued.
@ProulxS
10 ай бұрын
On one hand he's happy of the deal despite value paid. On the other hand he might not have proof of the conspiracy. That make 2 great reasons to not sue imo.
@Ascania
10 ай бұрын
I suspect it has more to do with that still made a profit on it while in this story the buyers (ignoring the unfounded accusation of them being Chinese stooges) have soured on the deal. Possibly because their financial backers just figured out they can't make the profit they want on whatever scummy project they bought the land for. It wouldn't be the first time. Nor do you need to be Chinese to do it.
@savannah1416
10 ай бұрын
Good it’s called doing business. If they weren’t willing to pay the price, they would’ve never gone ahead with the sale.
@GrumpyIan
10 ай бұрын
This feels like the company is trying to sue the land owners to bankrupt them (as they know farmers are on a shoe string budget) and get the land at a very discounted price. I wouldn't be surprised if they send the farmers an offer saying something like "We'll drop this case if you give us more land". They just messed up and got the land around the airforce base first.
@beepbop6697
10 ай бұрын
But they are suing the farmers that already sold them their land -- unless you are saying the same farmers have more land available that they haven't sold yet...
@GrumpyIan
10 ай бұрын
@@beepbop6697 That's what I'm assuming. I highly doubt any of the farmers sold off all of their land. So the company is going to use that as leverage.
@Mr.Ekshin
10 ай бұрын
This land was already sold, and now the company is claiming (probably due to the noise) that the land is worth less than they paid. This is similar to a wealthy town near me, where there's a rod and gun club that has been in operation for over a hundred years. People bought up the land and homes nearby (at cheap prices due to the noise, etc), and now these same homeowners are trying to get the club closed down through a series of bogus lawsuits and red tape hassles. They are also getting the town to pass various statutes that make it difficult for the range to stay in business. All of this will of course greatly increase their land/home values if they succeed.
@leathernluv
10 ай бұрын
This has the smell of "Grab the land however you can, we'll change the price later. We *need* to monitor that base *now*."
@jimmyzhao2673
10 ай бұрын
They bought the land to set up a hot air balloon tour company.
@timk9847
10 ай бұрын
Given the proximity to a USAF base, maybe congress should hold some hearing to investigate this group. Unless the lawsuit is dropped of course lol
@lindat3607
10 ай бұрын
The deal probably involves a few members of Congress. 😂
@antonyjharper31
10 ай бұрын
The us gov can’t do anything! They can’t even work out how drugs got in to the most secure building in the world!
@Morpheus187
10 ай бұрын
Congress is too busy chasing their tails and trying to get there 30 seconds on Right wing media to bother with it.
@avidreaderredxx
10 ай бұрын
Farmland is valuable but depending on state laws you can’t rezone and develop it to something else. No matter who the buyer is they always had the choice to not buy if the price is too high. Them paying a high price simply means the property was worth that much to them not that the property was worth that much. Home prices get inflated by demand but probably won’t resell at that price.
@avidreaderredxx
10 ай бұрын
@@GarbagePlateROC I know rezoning can happen but there is no guarantee it will, if the buyers were banking on rezoning the property for example housing development, and can’t, that is not the sellers fault or responsibility.
@gorak9000
10 ай бұрын
@@avidreaderredxx Why would you assume it WOULDN"T be re-zoned? How much tax can they charge for farmland? Very little. How much tax can they charge for practically any other use? A lot more. The almighty dollar shows you which way a zoning change request would go
@avidreaderredxx
10 ай бұрын
@@gorak9000 Usually states do have requirements to keep x% of land zoned farmland for the state or have some kind of ratio of zoning from housing, school, facility, etc. Can there be a zoning variance, yes, is it guaranteed, no. It is not just a factor if money. A housing development for example would need to have water, sewer, electric, etc taken into consideration. It would be pointless to rezone for high density housing when no infrastructure can support that.
@basillah7650
10 ай бұрын
Here is the truth Chinese company got shady US Lawyers to buy the land thinking they could use it to spy on air force base but then backed out seeing its useless to spy on so now lawyers are screwed and want to pay less.
@raketensven3127
10 ай бұрын
What a scummy scheme. Deliberately overpay and then trying to "walk it back" and bleed the less wealthy seller dry through court fees etc...
@sptuuri
10 ай бұрын
Xi said American ownership of firearms was a problem. What is he planning?
@robertsmith2956
Күн бұрын
Not a bad idea of his to buy the land and leave it baron so there is no grass to have a gun behind.
@tcg2ki
10 ай бұрын
why are foreign entities allowed to buy any USA property?
@pookey06
10 ай бұрын
Why are American entities allowed to buy land in other countries?
@2cartalkers
10 ай бұрын
Because it is not illegal. People and corporations from the USA own land in foreign countries. doh!
@tomhenry897
10 ай бұрын
They aren’t
@orppranator5230
10 ай бұрын
@@pookey06 Who cares, we’re talking about America, not Not-America.
@Hatbox948
10 ай бұрын
Especially around a military base?
@danwells9525
10 ай бұрын
Other question: If (when) it turns out that China is at the bottom of this, how much trouble will the lawyers working for them be in for not registering as agents of a foreign power? Does it even apply and if it does, what is the punishment?
@johnnybarfield4402
10 ай бұрын
They'll use the hunter defense.
@Bryanhaproff
10 ай бұрын
Its always China.. this isnt the first time.
@privacyhelp
10 ай бұрын
remember hunter biden's laptop case? yeah
@FarmingUnclear
10 ай бұрын
rules for thee but not for me
@snowps1
10 ай бұрын
You know it's China. They're buying up all the Farmland around military bases in the US
@michaelgarcia2440
10 ай бұрын
THEY ARE mad that the farmers talked about the sale of the land.
@Rick-tb4so
10 ай бұрын
Politicians are letting this happen, the paybacks must be huge....
@stevelawrence5123
10 ай бұрын
Can't the farmers counter sue for this frivolous suit, since the buyer's have deep pockets and the land itself as an asset?
@GrumpyIan
10 ай бұрын
That's probably going to happen. They all most likely know each other and are talking to each other about it and consulting a lawyer(s). In the near future I won't be surprised if the farmers get a letter saying that they'll drop the lawsuit if they give them more land.
@RangerX3X
10 ай бұрын
The only things untoward here are the facts that an enemy is purchasing land in our country, and that the sellers are having the legal system used against them for no other reason than to inflict emotional stress and financial damage.
@VideoArchiveGuy
10 ай бұрын
They've done that for decades. China bought a big office tower across the highway from Ft. Meade, aka home of the NSA.
@raygunsforronnie847
10 ай бұрын
We don't know who actually owns Flannery, so assuming "China" is behind them is just as assumption. There are other nation-states that might be interested in this land from a strategic standpoint as well, so might be wise to take a look around.
@crabbypapa3862
10 ай бұрын
According to dictator, China is not America's 'enemy'.
@johnshaddick6858
10 ай бұрын
I wonder if there are any Chinese police stations in the USA, as there are in Canada ?
@zoefaith120
10 ай бұрын
Left to right hand movements are awesome! Hever gets old.
@moottori_paa
10 ай бұрын
Hello's to Mr. Lehto from Finland!
@magillanz
10 ай бұрын
In my country any land purchase over a certain value by a foreign entity must be approved by the government. The Chinese have been trying to buy up farms and in most cases were told to bugger off.
@VertietRyper
5 ай бұрын
I wish we would do that, but they instead allowed China to buy up large portions of American and for our neighbors, Canadian soil. Our politicians are pathetic actors who will let the American dream die, and egg it on gleefully.
@conspiracyeyes1682
10 ай бұрын
Shell companies in which there no person to call, no office, no address, and apparently obfuscated so much the feds/state can't even figure it out, yet purchasing close to $1b in land has to be abolished/condemned. Accountability is not optional.
@follyfoxy707
10 ай бұрын
Man, you know who I always thought were the people who would just give up, the farmers. One of the hardest working people in America... Man. I hope this group just burns for attacking farmers
@superd7479
Ай бұрын
Back in the 70’s I was stationed at an AFB and the property behind the AFB was sold to people who then started complaining about the AFB being there! At first the went after the private entity that sold them the land but the judge said when buying the land you could see the AFB the property they bought was backed up against? Then they went after the Air Force because of the noise from the Fighter jets! Problem was they were saying the F-4’s were making all the noise but when showed pictures of the fighter jets (both F-4’s & F-15’s) that were stationed there! They picked out pictures of the F-15’s as F-4’s needless to say the lawsuit was thrown out on the grounds that the AFB was there since WW2!
@johnpatrick1588
10 ай бұрын
The legal process is a punishment in America. In other countries, plaintiffs have to pay the legal fees of the defendant if the plaintiff loses. Sometimes the money or bond has to be posted before the case proceeds.
@joeyojoeyo3613
10 ай бұрын
That`s ridiculous. Talk about dirty buyers. They paid for it, I`m sure they had a full inspection along with environmental. Throw the lawsuit out.
@basillah7650
10 ай бұрын
Here is the truth Chinese company got shady US Lawyers to buy the land thinking they could use it to spy on air force base but then backed out seeing its useless to spy on so now lawyers are screwed and want to pay less.
@thomasgirty6397
10 ай бұрын
NO US LAND should be sold to ANY overseas entity. most other countries have strict land ownership laws and rules. It's time we quit selling away OUR country.
@arlenbell4376
10 ай бұрын
Frivolous lawsuit. Should award the farmers triple what was paid to the in the beginning for punitive damages PLUS legal costs.
@theodoreolson8529
10 ай бұрын
I've been there. The area around Fairfield CA has a lot of retail, malls etc. Travis operates cargo aircraft not advanced fighter planes etc. There's also a prison not far from there. Personally I think there should be restrictions on who buys US farmland.
@kevinmach730
10 ай бұрын
There should be restriction on any foreign company that buys farmland or residential properties- as in NO- zero!
@murfmurf313
10 ай бұрын
Besides being able to swiftly recognize mass airlifts it's also got a naval base tied to "Naval Computer and Telecommunications Strategic Communications Unit"
@basillah7650
10 ай бұрын
That is exactly why the Chinese backed out of the deal they found out not a US military base so now the shady middleman US lawyers stuck paying for it so they want to pay less they were buying it under their company name to hide the Chinese wanting it before they found out useless spying on it.
@matrix-teknologies
10 ай бұрын
i wish to know how you can conspire to sell land when they're using shell companies to hide and buy land anonymously
@beepbop6697
10 ай бұрын
Exactly. The anonymous people behind the secret company are literally guilty of what they are accusing the farmers of.
@gailmckay5551
10 ай бұрын
They agreed to pay the purchase price, and bought the land, that should be all there is to it.
@timothysteiner8330
27 күн бұрын
This seems like the definition of a 'frivolous' lawsuit.
@Mountain-Man-3000
10 ай бұрын
Let's hope the farmers can defend the lawsuit and be awarded damages to compensate for this BS lawsuit. And that the USAF just takes the land from whatever entity purchased the land leaving them with nothing.
@joshuaharper4439
10 ай бұрын
No land or company or housing that is in the United States should never be allowed to be sold to other countries. It should be illegal for other countries to buy up our land for companies within the United States. Somebody needs to stop this.
@SmittyAZ
10 ай бұрын
Do 'we' own any of the land where we build factories in other countries?
@nunyabidness3075
10 ай бұрын
Unfortunately, it’s not actually “China” buying the property. Individuals or companies are buying the property, and those are “controlled” by the ChiCom government. The real issue is the secrecy behind corporate entities which I suspect there’s a good reason for, but I’m not aware of what it is.
@westernbody
10 ай бұрын
It should only have long leases
@Moosetick2002
10 ай бұрын
So you're against any type of foreign investments in the US? Can non US citizens hold jobs in the US?
@mikepalmer2219
10 ай бұрын
@@SmittyAZthat’s that countries problem not ours. And who knows if they own or lease it? But like I said that is there problem.
@countbenjamin1442
10 ай бұрын
Sounds like maybe the government does need to step in and investigate those who bought the land. National security
@josephmoore596
10 ай бұрын
When will the peeople of this country wake up and do something about politicians turning a blind eye to the activities of our enemies.
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