Great job! Most I ever did on Rod floor was 4 and even that was tricky to sort out the rotation.
@guardianofthegalaxy2051
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Whats with the wide arm round off
@Jackshipley2008
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@@nabojsa it’s called technique
@natcomber13
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@@nabojsa Going low into the floor with a wide arm roundoff gives a deep blocking angle to create good direction for a high/slow somersault which allows multiple twists without over rotating. Can you link me to another video of a quint twist (or even quad) this good, with a shoulder width arm placement in the roundoff..? Didn't think so. Because they'd land on their back. If it improves the efficiency of the skill, then how can it be poor technique? Surely the whole point of 'technique' is to create an efficient and safe skill? Part of judging is keeping up with, and making allowances for contemporary techniques, not just blindly deducting something because it doesn't follow 'traditional' aesthetics. Deductions are meant to be for things which are mistakes, not things which have been deliberately tweaked to improve the efficiency of the skill. All sports are ever evolving - gymnastics included. The community as a whole needs to be more open minded to this if we want the boundaries to continue to be pushed.
@natcomber13
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@@nabojsaFair point, perhaps cowboy tucking should be allowed to a certain degree, it is definitely safer and more efficient so maybe some allowance should be made for it in skills that really need it for safety (e.g. up to shoulder width acceptable without deduction for any triple somersault on floor, or dismount, or any double somersault on vault?) Like how gymnasts are allowed to land with feet up to shoulder width apart now without deduction? Perhaps it's something the FIG will look into in the future. With regards to your other examples, I disgree that they are technical adjustments to improve efficiency and therefore not really the same thing. Bent arms on bars kills swing and stops lockout in handstand, which is far from ideal. I would also argue that bent legs/crossed feet in twists doesn't improve efficiency as mass is being drawn across and away from the axis of rotation, increasing moment of inertia and slowing twist - it is more a symptom of lack of leg tension as centrifugal force acts on the legs in the twist rather than a deliberate adjustment to improve it. The fact that Jake demonstrates quint full with legs together here demonstrates that crossing of the legs is not necessary for high level twisting - whereas I would argue that without the adapted roundoff it would be almost impossible. I guess the main cause of disagreement would be your opinion on how the roundoff looks. Personally I think it looks absolutely fine, and the twist itself gorgeous, but that's just an individual opinion. If you just straight up think it looks ugly then we're unlikely to ever agree I suppose.
@natcomber13
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@@nabojsa Again I’d have to disagree - ‘muscling’ a skill up on bars is the opposite of increasing efficiency- you’re making the skill harder by using strength instead of swing and technique. That should be deducted, because a technical error has lead to the need to use strength - rather than it being a deliberate choice to make the skill easier. It’s also ironic that you praise the quint twist itself, without realising that it is only possible because he uses the round off so well to his advantage. With shoulder width hand placement I reckon you could do maximum of about 3.5 twists before you start over rotating and struggling to control the skill.
@natcomber13
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@@nabojsa Just depends on your definition of ‘proper’ I suppose. I say it’s fine to do a round off this way if it benefits the skill afterwards, and of course we’re allowed to have different opinions. But if you start penalising these modified techniques then you make it harder for the sport to progress, which I’d say is ultimately a bad thing. If you watch videos of gymnastics routines from 40 years ago vs now there are probably lots of techniques which have adapted and developed over time to use the equipment to the gymnasts advantage and achieve harder skills. If these changes had not been allowed by the judges of the day, then the sport probably wouldn’t be where it is today. I’m interested to know your opinion on wind up actions before a high bar dismount or release for example - does it not impress you because they’re cheating unless they do it from a ‘proper’ giant? Or what about a straight front punch double front where the straight front is done long & low to block high for the 2nd skill? Should the straight front be deducted for inproper technique?
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