Brent is local right now and he loved helping people. He takes pride when people ask him for help and he will get good content from it. I know you’re like me and don’t like asking for help like that but every time I’ve seen someone ask him for help he gets very happy helping fellow enthusiast is what he lives for
@inferno14u
Жыл бұрын
I understand the frustration of trouble shooting but it's good to have examples like this for people who are doing their own builds. I know it sucks going through it yourself but you are helping the car community overall so at least find some solace in that.
@vonwesty3544
Жыл бұрын
I'm at a point I'd suspect the oil pump assembly area as the source of your noise. With the noise seemingly coming from the front timing cover and finding metal shavings at the front of the oil pan, I'd suggest inspecting that assembly closely. Number two cylinder may be low on compression due to valve adjustments, a valve seat that's been damaged, or even a damaged or worn valve guide(s).
@chrishenry571
Жыл бұрын
I think it's the source of all the problems, it could be flinging crap out of it. Is this the only part that's been on all of the motors so far?
@ijgdjvjd2998
Жыл бұрын
I was just going to say the same thing. Based on what it isn't, the speed, and location of the noise. Plus the size of the metal flakes in the oil pan. To much run out on the impeller shaft.
@seanthompson6720
Жыл бұрын
Brent from PFI is in Florida right now so maybe see if he has time
@600wheel
Жыл бұрын
Anybody who gives up is probably the same guy who pays somebody else to do their work giving up will always leave a hole inside of you and you will always be wondering why it didn’t work for the rest of your life ask me how I know. I’ve watched you work all the way back from Katertot and I know you got this
@alexmore5227
Жыл бұрын
I’m rooting for you bro I really hope you get that worked out I wanna see the Porsche 24 succeed
@baysidefabrication
Жыл бұрын
You and me both!
@KalvinioLucas
Ай бұрын
@baysidefabrication hey buddy I'm in south africa I have the same problem same noise exactly
@melbournestalkingforfools9398
Жыл бұрын
G'day mate. I've been thinking slot about your engine failure. I am a mechanic that used to work for Honda. I have gone through all your videos. The only items common to both engine failures apart from external ancillaries and turbo, etc is the oil pump, gearbox and flywheel. Yes? Not many people think about it, but is the clearance between the input shaft and crankshaft appropriate? If there is no clearance then you will have this problem with material from the crankshaft thrust bearing wearing from pressure coming from tightening the bell housing bolts. Check how much end play there is before and after the gearbox is fitted. Going from a Porsche gearbox to a Honda engine you would be lucky if it all fit perfectly without measuring and getting appropriate spigot bearing, etc. This scenario seems to account for all scenarios. Good luck.
@timcowdin7016
Жыл бұрын
Something tapping the underside of the valve cover? Weird man, stay strong you've got this 🙌
@christopherandrews3862
Жыл бұрын
I know it's frustrating with all these setbacks; but it's extra content that we all soak up. Thanks for staying with the build.
@hectorrivera5093
Жыл бұрын
To me things like this is what trains your mind to solve problems
@solemods5991
Жыл бұрын
Mate this content keeps it real, you are obviously very talented yet you're bamboozled... brilliant content and love your optimistic approach ❤️💥👍
@moi8802
Жыл бұрын
I'm a mechanic too and sometimes these problems just psyche you out. Back to basics. End play in crank? Chain guides and length of chain? Valve adjustment? Cam end play? Any witness marks? It's hard to tell from my living room in Australia 😁 but it sounded like top end to me. Does pitch change with accel and decel? It is running the stock K24 rocker cover again, isn't it? If the metal shavings are from the timing cover it should make it easy to spot. Just check all your basics and don't let it get inside your head. Good luck buddy. PS. In the last videos it seemed to only start making noise when oil pressure increased. Check tensioner, etc. You know you're stuff. It just seems harder at home on the ground. Trust me, I know that feeling.
@daniesalex7073
Жыл бұрын
It would be awesome if you built a standalone engine stand for this motor and test the engine on the stand , you can also use that stand for future projects as well,
@mgerrow512
Жыл бұрын
It's a constant noise, I would look into the back of the flywheel, I had a very similar situation where the importer/shipping container had dropped a piece of hardware between the block and flex plate. Even though I swapped a flywheel on to the engine I found no debris, it was on the exhaust side of the bell housin side of the engine. I've also diagnosed this type of noise from someone putting too long of upper starter bolt in that slightly contacted the back of the flywheel. Best of luck sir
@baysidefabrication
Жыл бұрын
Metal in oil
@mgerrow512
Жыл бұрын
@@baysidefabrication roller on the rocker arms?
@TWong1200
Жыл бұрын
While idling, try pulling each plug wire one by one and see if the knocking goes away. If it's a piston, rod, wrist pin, etc on a given cylinder, then this will help isolate the cylinder number, at the very least. Also see if the noise goes away while depressing the clutch pedal. If the noise goes away, it could be the thrust bearings. Lastly, have you checked valve lash? Maybe there's a valve that has way too much clearance.
@baysidefabrication
Жыл бұрын
That would have been a good idea.
@TWong1200
Жыл бұрын
@@baysidefabrication Yeah, unfortunately the motor has already been taken apart but the steps I provided above really help isolate things like this, if they're related to a particular cylinder. Good luck with it. Look forward to your updates!
@JayGee6996
Жыл бұрын
I’ve seen in a few of Kyle’s videos that he plugs an oil port hole when he uses those jdm engines and the type s? Oil pump. If that’s not in he says the engine is in big trouble for something so small/simple. Could the knocking sound be from something in the engine bay? Vibrations are hard to trace as they travel through metal so easily. Good luck with the rest of this build, this type of content is more interesting than if it were to have worked first time
@andyskaggs3323
Жыл бұрын
My guess is a bent valve. I would inspect everything thing in the head from the top down rockers, vtec pins, and I don't think you can check lash at this stage but compare the lash adjustment screws and make sure one isn't loose or too tight. Remove the valve springs and you really need IMO a k-series valve spring tool. Then you can check the valves and guides. If that makes sense there might be some answers there. The aluminum on the cylinder looks fresh so I would question and reclean the charged side of the turbo pipes and intercooler.
@davidrobert2007
Жыл бұрын
Many years ago me and a couple of friends all had the same type of motorcycle (Yamaha RD125 / 200 twin), and all three bikes had the same running problem / flat spot at about 7000rpm. One friend spent every spare penny on replacing plugs / points / coils / head gasket etc etc to no avail, and he was almost at the point of throwing it off a cliff. The other friend fixed his running problem by accident when he rebuilt his engine due to a gearbox problem - his bike ran 100% after he put the engine back in, he had disturbed something whilst doing the engine job. So I worked out, the problem is probably caused by wiring / earth connection or similar. I took my spare ignition coils and wired them up temporarily using fresh wires, took the bike for a ride and it had FIXED it!! No parts were needed, just some replacement wires which I already had. Moral of the story: Be cautious with the parts cannon, often a problem is caused by something you'd never have thought of. Good luck on your quest.
@liamturner962
Жыл бұрын
I'm assuming you have checked the valve clearance/lash and check the valve seats guides for any obvious damage I know Kyle (boosted boiz) had a cracked manifold and pulled the whole motor apart a while back sp possible something like that You will get to the bottom of it maybe just get another pair if eyes to look it over just in case you missed something ? Keep it up I'm loving the build ignore the haters
@justinj4y127
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for what you do. THIS is working for you.Content is great.
@tonyross7376
Жыл бұрын
Sure u will figure it out. the build is sick my man 👍🤜
@JulianRollan
Жыл бұрын
Did you check the rockers? Or could it be an exhaust leak because boosted Kyle had a similar sound on one of his cars a while back and it was a simple exhaust leak.
@tptrsn
Жыл бұрын
I'm still sticking with the hope that it might be a lifter that has gotten jammed up with something... I've had them sound like that before, and then if you run it a while, it just goes away. But of course that would not explain the glitter in the oil.
@Turb0peppe
Жыл бұрын
Is there any possibility that it could be residue from the earlier engine failures? How did the exhaust manifold look after the last failure ? How it got into that engine is another question tho 😅 Love this build man and im really routing for you ! Keep pushing !! Sending all the love from Sweden 🙌🙌
@gr4eme1975
Жыл бұрын
We had a knock on a buddies fresh rebuilt Pontiac 400, we were on power tour and it sounded like it was coming from the flex plate. We had that car up on stands every day trying to figure out the knocking sound. After he got home he pulled the motor and found that one of the back cylinders had a lot of oil in it and it was basically the piston had a build up of oil sludge that was being hardened by the burning of the fuel but it was high enough it was hitting the combustion chamber. so those pieces of metal in that cylinder could well be the knock
@WACKOJACKO6648
Жыл бұрын
I was initially thinking sticky (not stuck) valve, the rockers are making the clacking noise. AT idle speed 8-900 each cylinder makes 7-7.5 valve cycles per second. I'm just past half way on the video. I want to see this thing ripping, your persistence will pay off!
@sportsmansparadice42
Жыл бұрын
Also you mentioned that you use the high viscosity oil which to my knowledge Vtec motors don't like such a thick oil.
@hueyhoolihan582
Жыл бұрын
the metal in the cylinder and the bits in the pan may well be red herrings. IOW, they are probably not related to the knocking. so look for a problem that only explains the knocking. and since it increases rate with RPM, it must be in the valve train or directly or indirectly connected to the crank.
@Znuzmuz
Жыл бұрын
Ignore the h8ters, do your thing. Love the content.
@kimjoshy1
Жыл бұрын
wcould there be any crap in the intercooler etc from yhe old blown motor
@600wheel
Жыл бұрын
Flywheel rubbin something maybe. Crank pulley it is on the front of the motor so if it is hitting something it would sound like behind the timing cover
@jeffmccormick5648
Жыл бұрын
You will figure it out dont give up. Honestly I would clean up all those parts and put it back together same bearings and all. I think it ate a piece of aluminum from the old motor that was stuck in the intake.
@jeffmccormick5648
Жыл бұрын
When you swap to that oil pump there is a hole u have to plug make sure u don't miss that as well
@Bynx_McFyden
Жыл бұрын
had a chevy lumina back in 2009 had a valve that was sticking made that same kind of engine noise till it warmed up.
@jxke9299
Жыл бұрын
could have been a pump, fin missing, or timing related. honestly idk this one is a weird one lol. cant wait to see what comes with the built motor.
@zkeyes4056
Жыл бұрын
Is it all same intake turbo from one that blew up before with leftover metal ? Check vtc gear with air compressor that it's moving back
@michaelblacktree
Жыл бұрын
So it isn't rod knock. Maybe collapsed lifters? I'm not too familiar with Honda engines. But if they use hydraulic lifters / followers, that would be something to check. Drop it in a bowl of oil, and push the plungers by hand. They should pump up and get stiff. Any lifter that doesn't stiffen up is probably toast. Once again, that's assuming they're hydraulic. Hope you get it figured out soon!
@picklefart
Жыл бұрын
whatever parts are being shared from these blown up motors has to be the cause. Oil pump or thrust clearance being smashed by the input shaft.
@RSADYNAMICS
Жыл бұрын
could it be 1.Debirs from your first engine failure coming from parts you reused such as the intake manifold ,turbo. oil cooler piping 2. fit an accusump and put extra oil in the engine
@chrishenry571
Жыл бұрын
I wish you could run the motor outside the car. That loud of a clatter could be damn near anything in the back of a car.
@600wheel
Жыл бұрын
The metal in the oil pan could be a coincidence just regular engine wear and have nothing to do with the noise don’t forget that don’t get stuck worrying about that metal because you know two different things can be going on at the same time they have nothing to do with each other that could’ve been just a piece of weld slag that fell into the intake when you were making it
@eltavogst
Жыл бұрын
Check the intake manifold for debris in the inside.The piston have too much carbon buildup sometimes makes engine noise
@jag7626
Жыл бұрын
Did you check all the rockers?
@Restomodz
Жыл бұрын
Engine build 🎉
@tomstanley7772
Жыл бұрын
Yes reach out to Brent. But something to think about. Ask what changes when the engine is running and when the engine is cranked. Not trying to sound like an armchair mechanic. I agree that the crank and bearings sound good. To me it also doesn't sound like the valve train. But how does the Vtec engage? even with the solenoid disconnected. could an improperly sealing solenoid cause the Vtec to do something stupid? I know very little about Hondas and by no means an expert. And you have higher oil pressure running than cranking. But yes reach out to Brent.
@grahamrobson9292
4 ай бұрын
That engine was not going to wear well there are particles of metal in the combustion..it looks dirty for a young engine maybe it was never cleaned properly. All the tolerances and bearings need checking.
@jeffturple5206
Жыл бұрын
Measure the cylinder bores then check the piston skirt clearance. Sounds like those pistons were rocking side to side.
@richlortez7110
Жыл бұрын
I would put the stock cam sprockets on. To see if the noise went away when you had the timing cover off.
@nelsonpineda1414
Жыл бұрын
Timing seems to explain some of your problems. Chatter could be valves barely touching pistons. What about your Haltech ECU? Maybe you have a corrupted file. Can you run the original ECU? Be hard to do, but maybe worth it. You bought the Haltech used. Maybe its out of Rev. Needs upgrade. Slow processor, etc. Call Haltech.
@davidrobert2007
Жыл бұрын
13:01 I'm not sure if it would apply to your engine but - I watch BoostedBoiz channel and I have heard Kyle talking about having to weld up one of the oil ways under the windage tray - I think but I'm not sure - when they use an oil pump without the balance shafts on a k24. I could be wrong so don't quote me on this but thought I'd put that out there as it might help.
@baysidefabrication
Жыл бұрын
There’s just a Oil passage that needs to be plugged. Which I did
@WACKOJACKO6648
Жыл бұрын
Or a roller on a rocker arm going away. The rocker arms are aluminum, and that could be creating the aluminum.
@RSADYNAMICS
Жыл бұрын
I think I might know what the problem is if you have not done this already that is when you fit the k20a2 oil pump you have to plug a thread in the block gurdle that would normally feed the K 24 oil pump maybe the oil is leaking out of that hole and losing all pressure
@wkrick
Жыл бұрын
Maybe piston slap? Check the piston skirts for wear.
@matthewtaylor3308
Жыл бұрын
Looking forward to a new built engine ripping!
@hectorrivera5093
Жыл бұрын
I bet that o-ring in the timing cover is compromised
@Dense147
Жыл бұрын
Start that motor outside of the car and rule out the chassis. Those bores looked pretty bad but I don't think its piston slap
@robertbisson9161
Жыл бұрын
Check the springs in the cyl. head, broken ? Remove and check the valves in that particular cyl.
@daniesalex7073
Жыл бұрын
If you are about to build a motor , you can refresh this motor to oem spec , brand new timing gear can help as well , this rattle will probably go away once you put this engine back together . I suspect the large fly wheel adaptor thingy as the cause due to its weight . Also do you fancy the idea of doing a k 20 head mod on your built motor ( or your normal motor) , it will have good clearance as well . You should definitely get a refund or something from the person or shop you bought the engine from . You said he will give you a 400 $ credit buy a good motor from him and tell him to deliver it to you for the trouble you had to go through .
@TheMabDeno
Жыл бұрын
The only odd ball thing that comes to my mind is the cams having some play in them? If someone has over tensioned the timing chain in the past is could lead to excessive wear. Complete speculation here as i've never worked on a Honda before..
@daniesalex7073
Жыл бұрын
I have seen Brent Modify the Cam gear from a K24 for using a Fueltech ecu I'm not sure of the exact reason for it you should check out his video on the freedom Civic to see this , I don't know if this will solve your problem but checking out the video can help you rule that out
@johntosh6146
Жыл бұрын
Kyle had this same issue Check the exhaust manifold isn't leaking
@JayGee6996
Жыл бұрын
Try and spin the motor over at 500rpm or so with a drill and see if it can replicate the sound, add/remove ancillaries to the engine to help identify the source. Unlikely things but maybe worth checking: There could be something loose in the engine bay that only vibrates when the engine fires up. Engine mount loose. Flywheel/clutch assembly - check nothing is fouling.
@mattgyver1
Жыл бұрын
Do you have a good set of cams from the blown up engines to try?
@Billyspacerocket
Жыл бұрын
Inertia makes that little piece of metal make allot of noise / Put it back together & it will run fine…
@hectorrivera5093
Жыл бұрын
Devin nimiela had a similar problem turned out was the cam phazers
@600wheel
Жыл бұрын
Isn’t the oil pump and those things in the front of the motor behind the timing cover and chain driven but I believe you changed it out for a better pump but I’m not sure my memory ain’t what it used to be but it’s worth a look
@jamesportman2412
Жыл бұрын
You could put the plugs back in the head and pour petrol in to see if a valve is leaking. The chip out of the head near the valve is not normal. Could the noise be that exhaust valve hanging open a tiny bit?
@hondatrix
Жыл бұрын
Haters will be haters. Hard work pays off and ignore those idiots ❤
@jxke9299
Жыл бұрын
damn people really say that about this? its just a carr build. ofc your going to have problems. he wants a k24 porrche so hes gonna make it happen. sure you could take the easy route but i bet he's going to have more satifaction driving it everytime, just because he over came thouse struggles and now, with time itll be working. its all apart of the game.
@jd2181
Жыл бұрын
Know I am late to watching this. But I wonder about the degree of the mount. Normally aren't they mounted with the dipstick side higher? Could be leading to oil starvation in certain parts of the engine leading to premature failure. I know my F23 (98 Accord) holds a lot of oil under under the cam and if the engine was leaning a different way it would cause issues. And isn't the VTEC solenoid also oil sensitive?
@Turbo-87-318
Жыл бұрын
Vtc gear on my wife's k24 accord made a rod knock noise at startup but went away. Maybe that one is really bad
@sportsmansparadice42
Жыл бұрын
Bad timing chain, and tensioner is my guess.
@loekfelten548
Жыл бұрын
Oil pump ? Check the head, cams, lifters and springs very carefully or put another head to try out and compare ?
@Durwood1492
Жыл бұрын
Maybe vtc ia coming apart or worn. That oil pump maybe a suspect.
@norevlimitr1602
Жыл бұрын
Looks like witness marks on the head from the pistons hitting it?? You may have piston to head contact. Hard to tell on the video, or is that the ridge thats in the head by design..
@cadeh1748
Жыл бұрын
Dude go fucking u bro I’ve never seen this amount of motivation u got and determination don’t stop ur doing hella good
@dugangant
Жыл бұрын
Try a different vtc gear. I have a feeling something is wrong with it. Only other thing is oil pump. Did you put the same oil pump from last motor in this one? I would disassemble the oil pump and make sure it's all clear also. I just hope it's not something that's been causing demise of all the past motors that keeps getting carried over to the new motors. I have faith in you and know you will finally figure it out!
@danielsplayhouse3804
Жыл бұрын
Did you check the vtec cam variator ? Did you blow your exhaust system out before you put your turbo on and shavings from the titanium would have went through your turbo and into your engine.
@thomasj.kappjr.929
Жыл бұрын
Oh yeah Kyle from boosted boys or Brant from PFI speed could help you out majorly
@kevind5508
Жыл бұрын
long shot but are the compression rings on your spark plugs sealing? I know this is different but on a boat motor a had a similar knock and what happened was the threads bottomed out before the plugs sealed.
@haldo691
Жыл бұрын
Could the metal in the oil have come from the last engine? Atleast you'll know them inside out once this project is finished 👌👍
@scottpatullo1054
Жыл бұрын
Oil pump gears chattering and when you replaced the timming chain did you also do the oil pump chain
@johfur
Жыл бұрын
Sounds like when I had bad oil pressure to my cams, ended with a new head.
@baysidefabrication
Жыл бұрын
25lbs of pressure on starter motor. 85lbs when started
@johfur
Жыл бұрын
@@baysidefabrication did u check all the cam "bearings". I had a oil passage clogged, it also messed up one of my cams. I Enjoy your videos, looking forward to see this car ripping.
@jerrypennell544
Жыл бұрын
Take that head apart check out the valve, and the seat. The motor has had alittle water in it.
@600wheel
Жыл бұрын
OK now I’ve pretty much suggested everything in the motor that rotates but it might not have crossed your mind does the clutch housing have any marks on it where it might’ve been hitting something because it’s amazing how sound will travel through a motor and make you think it’s in one place and it’s an entirely another I’m a Ford guy so we don’t have goofy problems like this 😂but I do find these K engines very interesting
@TheZombex
Жыл бұрын
Can't remember if you said. But did you ever check what all of the valve clearance was???
@bendover-uf9st
Жыл бұрын
Leftovers particles from last engine in oil. Maybe bad vtc gear?
@LTChurchillphotography
Жыл бұрын
Do these run buckets and shims on the valve are they the correct clearance ? Or is it hydralic tappets as one may be stuck ?? Or maybe small end bearing
@jerrypennell544
Жыл бұрын
Check the Turbo waste gate.
@brendangallagher8292
Жыл бұрын
is the Timing chain tensioner getting oil? check the piston oil squirters, too.
@swfautoworkx5951
Жыл бұрын
Take apart the oil pump and inspect
@Morland_rovers
Жыл бұрын
Have you checked it’s not the exhaust manifold gasket ?
@baysidefabrication
Жыл бұрын
Haha. Yes. A exhaust leak would not leave metal in pan.
@michaelheaton4526
Жыл бұрын
Timing issue
@eriklarson9137
Жыл бұрын
Well it's hard to refute the amount of details in that post. How many K-swaps have you done?
@shammynz107
Жыл бұрын
Do they have hydraulic lifters one or two could be air locked or not letting oil in it use to have the issue in old turbo subarus
@shanederwent
Жыл бұрын
Did you try running it without the baffle in the sump? Maybe something is touching in the rotating assembly, it could explain why there is small amount of metal there as well. Would also explain why you didnt hear anything and it spun freely with the sump off
@baysidefabrication
Жыл бұрын
Spun it with pan and baffle on no noise by hand. Only when fired
@shanederwent
Жыл бұрын
@@baysidefabrication well there goes my bright idea! Haha I'm not overly familiar with the K-series so I'm throwing darts but how about rockers and/or lifters? I know on some manufacturers have the needle rollers fail in the rockers and it can make a hell of a noise. Maybe something similar in the valve train rotating assembly? Keep up the good work though, love the call out to the guys who say 'just LS swap' or the likes! 👍
@evoluke1069
Жыл бұрын
does the usdm timing cover definitely work properly on the JDM motor?
@TheKennyanddee
Жыл бұрын
how about valve train... something loose or sticking...
@stevenfletcher4139
Жыл бұрын
carbon bouncing around in the combustion chamber? Wrist pin?
@stevenfletcher4139
Жыл бұрын
I spoke too soon, I just heard you say you checked the wrist pins.
@johnreynolds2240
Жыл бұрын
oil pump? doesnt the k24 have the huge balance shaft setup? try k20 oil pump conversion without balance shaft design
@baysidefabrication
Жыл бұрын
Watch the video
@russellhorne6745
Жыл бұрын
Sounds daft but is it something vibrating against something outside the motor?
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