It's fascinating seeing Bortus's disillusionment with his race's culture slowly develop over the course of the series. Similarly, I can see the fear and sadness behind Klyden's anger. He is a victim of the same system and copes by insisting that what happened to him was a good thing and that the system that forced it on him was correct in doing so.
@davfree9732
Жыл бұрын
Aye. Klyden acted like a jerk, but his motivations were laid out that informs the audience 'why' he is acting like a jerk. Klyden is a victim of his peoples group think. Bortas is not, having heard the message of Rudolph. This is what not thinking for yourself looks like where Klyden cannot articulate his thoughts, or present a point of view that undermines his daughters right to self determination. And the great thing is, Topa's arc works on two fronts. It's not saying transitioning is wrong. Klyden was born a girl and shows no signs of wanting to change back. While Topa does want to change back. Her body is telling her what she is and thus will de-transition... The only critque I have is that the show paints a fairy tale of de-transitioning. Real world de-transitioning stories are harrowing as the people who decided they are the sex they were born into learn the surgery cannot be reversed completely. The community that promoted and pushed them into transitioning abandons them, and unlike Klyden, they don't come back as they refuse to change and instead call the person they led to the surgeons knife 'traitor'. The stories of how going to the bathroom is a messy affair because the physical apparatus for excretion is ruined, and how phantom sensations of severed parts haunt them... Still... It's good The Orville is putting out a story that can generated debate, instead of allowing others to squash talking about this issue.
@Sombriage
Жыл бұрын
Klyden also chose to be isolated a lot from the rest of the ship's crew and the different perspectives whereas Bortus was forced into different situations that required empathy, understanding and adaptation due to his station. I really like how a lot of the relationships in the Orville intertwine throughout all the seasons.
@kagato23
Жыл бұрын
@@davfree9732 it’s more then merely not thinking for yourself. Yes, Klyden seems to be okay with being male now and i doubt even if all stigma were removed he’d want to be otherwise. But it still hurt him when he discovered he had been changed. That he had been lied to. He has convinced himself that it was done to him out of love, and as messed up as we find it, at least some of the people in his life probably did do it for that reason. But if it was wrong to do to Topa, he has to re-examine all the things he’s convinced himself that he didn’t like but were for the best. That people he genuinely loves and admires might not have taken the most admirable options, values he took on and instilled and PERPETUATED. And that’s where he doubles down.
@raymondfisheriii791
Жыл бұрын
@@kagato23 which makes a lot of sense. Going into denial is a sign of grief or trauma affecting someone, and learning about all of this for Klyden was clearly traumatic as hell for him. “Unhappiness is better than despair”. And the worst part is he still sticks to this mentality until it’s very clear to him that his people are the one’s that caused his despair, not his original gender, and probably had/has to fight through a lot of self-loathing thoughts that he had likely been thinking for most of his life up until this happened. This show and Lower Decks are so good they’ve actually gotten me into Star Trek, and I’ve tried to get into it before, and it didn’t really click with me until now
@toomanyaccounts
Жыл бұрын
@@raymondfisheriii791 what a lot of people fail to understand is that often someone rejecting someone's choices is not out of hate but deep love. They see that the person is going to suffer with them in their lives so they reject that person in order to try to protect them.
@TraciPeteyforlife
Жыл бұрын
This was heart breaking, you could see all the pain in every one of them. Topa was just trying to let her parents know. She wasn't changed other than being comfortable in her own body. Bortus was trying to bring reason to the situation. Klyden was emotional broken and slashing out at everyone. It was just a powerful thing to watch. Still no parent should ever say that to their child. Even if your angry you dont say that to them. Hats off to all the actors this was perfection.
@profchaos91
Жыл бұрын
Bortus was also left by his husband i think it's a very sad moment for him as well, and yet he has to keep it together for his daughter. Yeah, it's very unforgivable, and klyden himself owns up to this by refusing to be simply forgiving and promising that he has to put in the work to change.
@MemoirsofaBasketcase
Жыл бұрын
Klyden is likely driven by a measure of jealousy at Topa for being able to live the life that was denied to him when he was changed from female as a baby.
@johnpauljones9310
Жыл бұрын
The most fanatical in any group are the converts.
@electricangel4488
Жыл бұрын
He doesnt need to have a regret or be less happy to react this way. But it is pretty obvious that he is letting it be an attack on his own self consept
@noelahg79
Жыл бұрын
@@johnpauljones9310 Truer words were never spoken.
@theghostinthemirror8158
Жыл бұрын
@@johnpauljones9310 Very true. Nothing worse than having something to prove.
@fazzieman674
Жыл бұрын
Don't think it is as easy as that, nor is simple being bigoted. Klyden probably had to embrace tradition to make sense of what happened to him, to survive. It is the only way he probably could feel secure and safe in that environment and to see his child embrace a life where on Moculus, their home, Klyden could see his child wouldn't be 'safe' even though Klyden as a parent has done everything in his power to give Topa a 'safe' path is hard to watch.
@OneGaurdian
3 ай бұрын
"I wish you were never born." The second a parent were to say to me, I would be done with them forever.
@sweetspicy7880
23 күн бұрын
Parents are also humans , if you can’t give them time to accept something huge as this thn you are better without a parent .
@akkiko
11 күн бұрын
@@sweetspicy7880 tf? yes parents are humans but they are also the ones who made the decision to have a child. you can take time to come to terms with something WITHOUT resorting to needless cruelty. telling your child you wish they were dead is beyond the pale and inexcusable, no matter the context.
@BrokenNeuron
Жыл бұрын
I love how Bortus was the father Topa needed just when she needed it. He showed her what she really needed. Unconditional love and acceptance. I only wish my father was so accepting of his kids.
@joesplace2960
Жыл бұрын
…are you okay man?
@ReasonableTim
Жыл бұрын
I'm not great at giving words of encouragement, but the important thing is to love yourself and for your siblings to do the same, regardless of those who would put you down.
@AaaaNinja
Жыл бұрын
It's not even unconditional love, considering the condition that Topa is his child.
@danielhaire6677
6 ай бұрын
He delivered her egg and sat on it for 21 days. He has been connected to her from the very start.
@gabrielleclennon6589
2 ай бұрын
Same my dad is the same way
@kingcreedo6010
4 ай бұрын
When Klyden said that after topa said she loved him. I broke
@joeywall4657
Жыл бұрын
My God. How could you say this to your own child? Imagine hearing this from one of your parents. I've never even seen this show, and this clip is making me tear up.
@EyedMite
Жыл бұрын
If you do watch it I promise you won’t regret it . Also how did this get in your recommendation . Are you a Star Trek fan?
@joeywall4657
Жыл бұрын
@@EyedMite yeah I love Star Trek. This video just popped up kind of at random while I was driving my truck. I'm kind of hooked on Orville clips now. 🤠🏳️🌈🚛
@Harry-bn5mp
Жыл бұрын
What if your child was a pscyhopath?
@shinysteve9965
Жыл бұрын
@@Harry-bn5mp Even in that case, if you recognize the symptoms early enough you can find them help. Psychopathy is a condition where you lack empathy. That doesn‘t automatically make you evil, it just makes it harder for you to have a normal life, but you can learn to adapt.
@LordMalus
Жыл бұрын
Anger and hurt can make you say many things you otherwise wouldn't. I would know.
@ThreeGoddesses
Жыл бұрын
Klyden is mad, I bet, because He had these exact doubts when he found out he was born as a female, and is profoundly jealous and upset that Topa could make the choice he could not. Klyden found peace in the fact that he was now male, and here comes along his daughter, tearing down his foundations, proving that all this time, not only was he wrong, but his entire way of life was founded on lies.
@XultanisDragon
Жыл бұрын
Klyden didn't have doubts because of a choice, he was afraid for his daughter. As the outlier he understood exactly how the moclans would treat their daughter because he grew up with those some prejudices and witnessed them first hand growing up. You have to understand that Klyden is in a particular situation. When he realized he was born a female he understood all of societies prejudices and understood to how big of an extent it would have effected him had he stayed female. That fear translated to anger as all fear does. That anger translates to betrayel and frustration as he wants whats best and thinks he knows whats best, this part is important he believes what he is doing is right and whats best for Topa, but the people he cares about most go against his wishes or say he is mistaken. People view Klyden as some hating father except its the exact opposite, he loved Topa very very much but he went all Disney Princess on Topa and tried to lock her away in the farthest dungeon for her own "protection". Klyden was trying to protect Topa from a society he feared because he was born female so that fear became really real for him when he found out.
@ThreeGoddesses
Жыл бұрын
@XultanisDragon Klyden outright admits that he hated her right at the very end when he apologized. In any case, the entire reason they wrote Klyden AS female at birth was so they could accurately foil Topa. He went through the same journey as Topa but came to a different conclusion, which is WHY he hated her. Every thing that Klyden says, is shit that he's afraid of because of HIS journey (such as living on Moclas) but he is constantly excusing his behaviour towards her because of "traditional Moclan values"... when they live in space, away from moclan society, with absolutely no reason to go back. From a psychology perspective, he hates her because she chose differently from him, and he was too cowardly to do the same. And he admits as much, in not as many words.
@XultanisDragon
Жыл бұрын
@@ThreeGoddesses Anger leads to hate, he never truly hated her. Its what people say when they are trying to separate themselves from pain. If he hates her, then he can separate himself from her, from the love he has. Even though its star warsy its still true. Fear leads to anger, and anger leads to hate. kzitem.info/news/bejne/lLB5tYGlemh1m4Y at around 15:00 or 15:30 he talks about why he pushes for it so badly. His fear is what drives him. You keep pushing this "hate" he has for her when he doesn't hate her and loves her dearly. He never got to "choose" a different path because he saw and heard how they perceived females and when he found out he was filled with despair. Its not cowardly to try to protect your child from a life filled with sadness and despair. Have to understand that Bortus interacts and sees the ship as his home, Klyden still thinks of Moclas as their home and is trying to protect his child from their persecution. Psychological he hates her because he wanted to separate from her not because hes a coward or that she chose a different path. He says he hates her so that he doesn't have to be there in the future when things go bad. Its like when parents say they hate their child who is an addict after trying to help them for so long, they force themselves to believe in that hate so that they can separate from the pain they know they are going to feel when what they fear comes to fruition. He would rather hate her than have to go through the pain of that future he fears for her. Sometimes parents do the worst things thinking its for the right reasons, thinking they are protecting their child when they are just making it worse. This is one of those cases.
@Sly9192
26 күн бұрын
@@ThreeGoddessesHe said he thought he hated her
@joemcguire9988
Жыл бұрын
“And I am grateful every second of every day that you were born.” Is also something you could tag on there to specifically counter what klyden just said, Bortus.
@theadoredones
4 ай бұрын
Everyone is going on about how great Bortus is, when they are absolutely correct. He's a gem for being so utterly supportive of his daughter. But nobody is praising Klyden's actor. He's done a fantastic job of portraying the ignorance and intolerance plaguing us in this day and age, when you know he doesn't feel what he's portraying. His acting is oscar worthy.
@XultanisDragon
Ай бұрын
I wouldn't call it ignorance or intolerance. As a parent Klyden was trying to protect his daughter the only way he knew how. He knows first and foremost his people would treat his daughter. He drank from that koolaid hard and then his parents told him he was born female. Now he had a horrible secret he needed to keep and then has a daughter. He was buying what his people were selling his whole life and now he has a daugther and knows full well how she is going to be treated so he does the only thing he believes he can do. The part where he tells topa "wish you were never born" that was to separate himself from her. He was being selfish at that point trying to protect himself from the future pain he believed she would experience, pain he didn't want to bare or couldn't bare. She was born into a society that would treat her less than dirt and he didn't know how to cope with it so he lashes out to separate himself in hopes of protecting himself.
@darkshogun5887
Жыл бұрын
When Klyden told Topa that he wished she had never been born, I would have floored him with a hard right.
@shadowknight1121
Жыл бұрын
Oh yeah no hesitation.
@matthiaseckert4022
Жыл бұрын
I hold him, you hit him, ok?
@RANDOM-KNIGHT145
3 ай бұрын
0:48 Worst Parental response 1:09 Best Parental response
@OjetskySantos
2 сағат бұрын
0:48 Most Hated Word 1:09 Most Loved Word
@Tetsujinhanmaa
Жыл бұрын
You know, way back in season 1 when we saw Bortus sitting on Topa's egg, could we have foreseen the story arc leading us here? I kinda wrote off the show, but now its grabbed my attention.
@angryretailbanker5103
Жыл бұрын
Or when Bortus was convinced to allow Topa to embrace her identity on her own when Gordon and John made him watch Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer.
@kevinho7045
Жыл бұрын
I know this may ruin the moment but remember, Gordon Malloy was the one who changed Bortus's ideologies about the Moclan gender changes all from making him watch Rudolph the red nosed reindeer. 🤣🤣
@AzielDavid-xb5pb
23 күн бұрын
Everyone needs a father like bortus, cuz that line hit deep, my father is the same and he's the person I appreciate most in this world.
@KristiContemplates
Жыл бұрын
Trauma, fear, feelings of betrayal, no authority to control the situation. Klyden's behaviours reminds me of people that excuse abusive parenting as the reason for their success. You don't thrive BECAUSE of trauma. You thrive in spite of it. And only if the Lady of Fortune smiles upon you. I am so unbelievably happy and relieved that people stepped in and went out of their way to show me different ways to parent than what my mother modelled. Hey, I still screwed up with each of them at times, we all do in some fashion, and I am glad that everytime I learned better than that that I chose to do better
@mrx4524
11 ай бұрын
Bortus is such a good father. This is what every kid needs is a dad like Bortus.
@johnathanhenley2251
Жыл бұрын
Every child deserves at least one parent that loves them unconditionally and supports them forever. In today's world, having two is a blessing and human miracle.
@SovietReunionYT
Жыл бұрын
Bortus is the father we should all have.
@typoking
11 ай бұрын
Klyden is feeling conflicted. He was FORCED to be male by his parents, and it was their tradition, and he believed any justification they would make because they were his parents, and to him, the doctrine was all that mattered because that is how he was raised.. When Topa got to CHOOSE, it hurt Klyden in so many ways, and very deeply in his heart, he knew Topa was getting to make a choice that was denied to him, and he is angry because of those deep, un-resolved feelings toward his people and the fact that he, himself, was born female, and he didn't want Topa to face the ridicule and pain and torment that he had to face before he was altered to be male. The hurt and pain of all of those years of repressed thoughts and feelings came to the surface and Kyden was angry, lashing out at Topa as a result. He was afraid for Topa, but angry at Topa for not understanding WHY he was angry, when even he (Klyden), himself, could not understand it. And when Klyden comes back later in the next season, and apologizes, and makes amends and a genuine effort to see his child for who she is; strong, brave, beautiful in her natural glory, and smart. He realizes that all the doctrine and indoctrination and the hiding of the truth of their people's nature were clouding his judgment. He is happy to be Klyden's father, now, and is much more in tune with who he really is inside than he was when the series started. The character growth within the series is part of what keeps me coming back for more.
@XultanisDragon
Ай бұрын
Had nothing to do with him being FORCED and Topa getting to CHOOSE. He was acting like a parents. Someone who knew how his people would treat his daugther because he drank from that same koolaid. Then finds out when hes an adult that he was born female. Now he has this secret he needs to keep and then a daughter is born. His fear for his daugther safety and future leads him to make the choice to have her changed. Everyone around him is against him because of this and he doesn't understand why. Then the daugther finds out the truth and wants to change back and he doesn't understand why no one is listening to him. He then says hurtful things to Topa to separate himself from her becaus he is trying to protect himself from the painful life he believes she is going to live by making this choice. He loves his daugther very much and was trying to protect her from the hatred and bigotry that he knows of all too well because he was also a part of that. Klyden didn't have hatred because his daughter got a choice or resentment that he never got to choose or any of that. It was simply a parent doing stupid things because they believe they knew what was right for their child and even though it was horribly misguided Klyden did it because he loved and wanted to protect Topa.
@VixxyCopeland
Жыл бұрын
Take note parents: Sometimes your kid will be Trans and sometimes they aren't. But they are perfect and you should love them. You don't get to choose who your kid loves and who they turn out to be. Just love them, teach them, and they'll alright.
@Hivedragon
Ай бұрын
Yeah, this was because she was getting untransed.
@lizd2943
7 күн бұрын
@@Hivedragon This was because they stopped trying to force their own ideas about gender on Topa and allowed Topa to tell them who she was.
@Hivedragon
7 күн бұрын
@@lizd2943 🤦♂️
@stephenbyrne2170
Жыл бұрын
0:48 HOW DARE YOU!!!!!!!!
@OjetskySantos
Ай бұрын
0:48 Bortus: YOU WOULD BE SILENT
@jamesspencer1997
Жыл бұрын
The two actors who play these guys are top notch
@marthabarraza2808
Ай бұрын
I have not seen this series, other then watching a few youtube clips. But i literally gasped when he said that to topa😢
@safiremorningstar
5 ай бұрын
Bortus is acting like a good father is supposed to act like a good parent is supposed to act you are perfect. How many children actually hear their parents saying that they are perfect just the way they are. I know my mother never said that to me, to her she'd rather have 10 sons and one daughter.
@Marsproject11
4 ай бұрын
Bortus has got to be the best sci-fi dad ever.
@ob1292
Ай бұрын
An interesting clip with so many issues all packed into it, and it is very interesting to see ppl's comments about it and siding with the characters each trying to justify their stance
@erikkennedy8725
3 ай бұрын
I'm rewatching the series with my son now, and we're only a short way into the first season. The way Bortus and Klyden evolved as characters over the course of the series is a joy to watch.
@foxbomber5
Жыл бұрын
I teared up at this scene, it's so tragic and beautiful.
@Sage2000
Жыл бұрын
Star Trek in heart.
@noelahg79
Жыл бұрын
This is hard to watch if you were treated like this as a child. :( It's a perfect scene. The Orville is so good!
@ardibetrayal3493
19 күн бұрын
It was special kind of hell but it makes me realise that other people could be your family instead it doesn't have to be blood
@TXNICK96
Жыл бұрын
Right now he an only think of how much this might hurt her, the reality of their species hating and likely wanting to kill her But then when he learned that she actually got hurt for being a female and wanting to stand up for others, he came back without a second of hesitation Because in the end, he knew one thing to be absolute, she was his child and he loved her regardless
@AngelArm1110
Жыл бұрын
SPOILER ALERT!!!! Thanks for that
@peteredmundson3331
14 күн бұрын
I have watched all the seasons of The Orville and have to say it just got better. It was a shame when it was cancelled after the third season when it had become so good.
@razzledazzle8180
Жыл бұрын
I WAS NOT EMOTIONALLY PREPARED FOR THIS EPISODE
@AaaaNinja
Жыл бұрын
Bortus is excited to be living a reenactment of Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer.
@awesomemccoolname7111
Жыл бұрын
Telling anyone they are perfect like that is perhaps not the best idea but given the circumstances I think it might have been needed.
@danieldickson8591
Жыл бұрын
I think Bortus wanted to show her that he had no regret nor criticism for her. He doesn't wish she was still male. There's nothing about her he would change. From him, she'll always have unqualified acceptance.
@Persian-Immortal
Жыл бұрын
I wish I had a dad like Bortus..
@melancholicechosingstothemoon
3 ай бұрын
Such a strong words its in a way an i love you and all what you are
@dudimenthegreat9886
Ай бұрын
Remember, Bortus is like this because he watched Rudolf.
@Shinypotatochip
19 күн бұрын
I need to watch this show, these characters are absolutely fascinating to me
@Derglesnaf
5 күн бұрын
God Seth is such a good writer.
@a.wilkerson2nd334
15 күн бұрын
This show is so fckn excellent Seth captures Roddenberry storytelling perfectly
@cf87
9 күн бұрын
The entire Topa arch was peak sci fi. This was heart breaking, but without it, you don't get the beautiful scene of Klydon coming back
@swanay1
3 ай бұрын
damn Rudolph completely changed Bortus
@user-qz7nd8iz9d
Ай бұрын
Bortus charcetr arc from what I’ve seen is quite intresting at the start he and klyden are basically mirrors of the other but subtle things begin to cuase a drastic change in Bortus and to a extent kylden latter down the line
@murder_maestro123
22 күн бұрын
Bortus for dad of the year!
@miyamcallister
3 ай бұрын
Maybe Klyden left because he was scared because he was female he got hurt idk
@jolothebarbarian4666
5 күн бұрын
I know this is just a show but if one of my parents had looked at me and told me they wished I had never been born it would have changed me forever. Sad thing is there are countless children treated worse than this every day.
@ciara1596
Жыл бұрын
as a detransitioner, topa tugs at my heartstrings. bortus telling her that nothing was ever wrong with her, and that he loves her as she is, was something that i desperately needed to hear when i was transitioned as an older teenager. being female is hard when the world seems to hate you by default for it. im grateful she has bortus to let her know that he loves her as she is and that she doesnt need to change herself to conform to a social construct as rigid, archiac, and cruel as gender.
@WonkoSane-jf4qm
18 күн бұрын
That would be a statement that would never be forgiven if it were me.
@brandonbarclay6218
10 ай бұрын
He Regret saying it later 0:48
@ZephyrBW
22 күн бұрын
That hurt
@AngelusNielson
Жыл бұрын
About as subtle as a sledgehammer, but then again this topic shouldn't be treated lightly.
@TheCastellan
Жыл бұрын
Klyden's not mad about how the world will view Topa....but how the world will view KLYDEN.
@xCoatlicuex
23 күн бұрын
Hell, no, he is pretty much scared that His people is going to mistreat and hunt her.
@TheCastellan
23 күн бұрын
@@xCoatlicuex Kinda late on that, since Klyden already hurt and mistreated her already.
@Mr.Crow1984
Ай бұрын
Klyden is on this state in many ways because of him being born female. The truth was hidden to him his hole life until he found out, not form his parents, but a medical test on board a union ship. This realization caused him to have severe trauma and internal strugles with his identity. He probably has this cinflict, becuase seeing a femleborn moclan return to her original gender, makes him see his trauma and strugles he had to deal with as pointless in his eyes. Everything he was thought and that made him endure throw the realization of him being femaleborn was destroyed by this. All of this made worst to him by the fact the moclan that wanted to revert to her original gender, was his daughter.
@atom_bomb_77
3 ай бұрын
My main question is how does female moclan procreation work? Cause if the men are able to reproduce via male X male… where do women play into this?
@cassandrabelyeu2419
3 ай бұрын
They clearly identify as male, but just as clearly are hermaphroditic, not male. Because they can mate and produce offspring with each other. So I’m guessing that being female just means that the hermaphroditic structures are biased further toward female-ness.
@erikkennedy8725
3 ай бұрын
It's space alien technobabble biology, it just sort of works and it's best not to think too much about it... but if one were to, it's possible that Moclans are inherently hermaphroditic, and dimorphism was an adaptation that was evolutionarily beneficial.
@OjetskySantos
2 сағат бұрын
0:49 That Right There Is The Most Hated Word Ever
@Phoenixesper1
11 ай бұрын
So wait a minute. In mauchlin culture, they kill their mate when they "divorce". Last time he tried killing bortus over mere pornography. This scene should have had klyden try to kill bortus and Bortus stop him as yet a further deviation of Bortus from Mauchlin traditions and culture, only for Klyden to THEN tell Topa..."I wish you'ed never been born." And then walk out forever.
@thibautisserant
9 ай бұрын
He mentions earlier in the episode "If you do this, I won't even give you the dignity of the sword." Which means that, for Moclans, leaving a mate without killing them is an even greater insult, like spitting on everything they are and embody. Which is also why Klyden doesn't acknowledge Bortus, ignoring him and not speaking a word to him.
@GamersAtDeath
Жыл бұрын
I personally love what Bortus says to Topa but honestly I wish they included something deeper. Cause as a parent myself if some said I wish you were never born to my child they be either 6 feet under the ground or in a hospital. I don't care if your the other parent that is disgraceful and disgusting thing to say to a child. Especially with how Moklans are I'm surprised Bortus didnt attack Klyden
@catsundre2904
7 ай бұрын
As reasonable as that response would have been, I don't think it would have benefited any of them in that situation. Topa was already going through enough pain by having her father disown her and leave her. Bortus attacking Klyden would not have resolved anything or given Topa any satisfaction. The best thing for them all was that everyone had the space they needed to process things, that Topa had unconditional love and support, and to let toxic influences leave.
@alpborakirte801
Ай бұрын
Those who hate Klyden
@Lessembarrassingman
Жыл бұрын
Did the creators of this show REALLY wanna make a star trek show but couldn’t get the property or something? This show seems great
@danielhaire6677
4 ай бұрын
Seth McFarlane is a big Star Trek fan and was on a couple of episodes of Enterprise. That love obviously influenced this show he created.
@unknownperson2422
29 күн бұрын
Klyden was born a girl also.
@agen_dior
Жыл бұрын
i can tell you for a fact klyden is thinking deep in his head "what gives you [topa] the right to chose? you think i was afforded that choice? no"
@XultanisDragon
Жыл бұрын
That is horribly incorrect. That "choice" has nothing to do with anything and is completely inconsequential to Klyden. It doesn't even cross his mind. Do people really lack empathy nowadays that they can't even fathom as to why Klyden is acting this way? Klyden is acting this way out of fear and love for his child. He understands fully the hatred his people have for females as he drank from that koolaid. He learned that hatred and preached that hatred only to find out he was what he was suppose to hate. Now he has this horrible secret and hopes he can go his whole life without anyone knowing. Then his child is born female. Fear sets in because he knows 100% how society will treat his daughter because again, he drank from that koolaid. So he knows because he acted the same way. He loved his daughter very much and wanted to save her because in his mind for mocclan, "change her to male and she lives, or leave her female and she dies" - The anger and hatred is because everyone is going against what he feels he knows best. He ends up hating Topa because he is trying to cut that cord. He wants to hate her so that when he is proven right and she gets hurt because no one listened to him, he won't feel that pain from her being hurt. Fear because he loves his child and wishes to protect her from all the prejudice and hatred and pain from mocclan society. Anger because no one is listening to him as he believes he knows best because again he has a different viewpoint. Drank from the koolaid only to find out he was born as what he was taught to hate and did hate. Hatred from the betrayel he feels that no one is listening and wants to separate from the future he believes is going to happen 100%. What Klyden did isn't right, how he handled it isn't right. However, love and fear make people do stupid things and when its fear for loved ones, then people go even more dumb. Way to hell is paved with good intentions. People will do stupid things thinking they are doing it for the right reasons. Fear and love make people do crazy things.
@timothypeterson4781
24 күн бұрын
Klyden is mad because Seth McFarlan doesn't believe in nuanced characters.
@RHTQ1
4 ай бұрын
I wonder. Females are supposed to be very rare, yet we have one female as the father to another. Hmm
@erikkennedy8725
3 ай бұрын
I suspect the real reason females are "rare" is that official records are falsified to make it appear there are far fewer females than there actually are.
@alansmithee419
3 ай бұрын
Possible it's genetic. Moclans who were born female may be more likely to have female children.
@lizd2943
7 күн бұрын
In an earlier episode it's discovered that female births are far more common than most people believed but the shame and secrecy around it let the Moclan government cover that inconvenient fact up.
@cassidepowers7006
Жыл бұрын
As someone who wants to transition I am so lucky my family and friends didn't react like Klyden. The most negative thing I got was from my dad and sister both thinking I should sleep with someone as a guy since I'm still a virgin. They don't fully understand that it isn't about that and that's ok cause they accepted it anyway. I feel sorry for those who's family have shunned them and hope they find someone to support them like Bortus.
@oreolaw9911
Жыл бұрын
I am really happy to hear that . So I am a trans-women and I would just like to wish you all of the luck that I can possibly with you and I hope that you have a fantastic Life
@jcarter6213
Жыл бұрын
Preaching to the crowd, sis
@redrasegarden
Жыл бұрын
Please tell me this isn’t the end of the episode
@lizd2943
7 күн бұрын
It isn't the end of this storyline for the series.
@redrasegarden
7 күн бұрын
@@lizd2943 oh, good
@isaDARKNESS
Жыл бұрын
Its really interesting how they've done a trans narrative, but flipped it around. Putting a cis character in a trans person's shoes in order to help show that a desire to live as one's self is universal, and that respecting somebody's feelings, their innate sense of gender, and their dignity as a person, is what matters in all situations.
@JDog2656
Жыл бұрын
Good parenting, but don't tell someone they are perfect.
@blakes8901
Жыл бұрын
I think Topa has displayed the emotional intelligence to understand that he meant she is perfect just the way she is. That he unconditionally loves her no matter how she expresses herself.
@AuroraMercedesVT
19 күн бұрын
detransitioning is the same thing as transitioning on traditional terms; live life the way you want to live it because you want to be you. honestly, it’s people’s autonomies that matter. If you’re 18, I don’t have control of you. Grow a pair of tits, or slice them off. You’re an adult at that point and anyone who shuns you that way, they’re not your friend. And if your family shuns you that way, they’re not your family.
@WolverineStooge-tm3pk
7 ай бұрын
Klyden likes being gay. Topa wanted to be straight why is klyden so closed minded
@electricangel4488
Жыл бұрын
Klyden was born female. In wonder how this works in his head.
@PhoenixCheetah
Ай бұрын
He’s mad his child was offered the choice of being who she wants. Klyden is hurt because he was denied that choice as a child.
@XultanisDragon
Ай бұрын
@@PhoenixCheetah No hes not mad at the child because of choice. Has nothing to do with choice. Klyden was trying to protect Topa because he himself drank from that koolaid and bought into it. He grew up in that society and bought into the culture hard, then finds out he used to be female. Now he has a secret where his life would turn upside down if anyone found out, then he gets a daughter and realizes how his people will treat his child. He figured "well it happened to me and I lived a good life. I had friends and now I have a mate, things she will never have because of how my people will treat her" - He did what he did out love his child, horribly misguided as it was. What he says about her never being born, he did that to separate himself from her because he is trying to protect himself from the heart break of the painful future he believes she is going to live. He tried to warn everyone and now he believes she is going to live a painful life and he can't bear it so he tries to separate himself from her.
@PhoenixCheetah
Ай бұрын
@@XultanisDragon That’s a much better interpretation. Thank you for sharing
@Birdisthename
Жыл бұрын
I like this because its a great example of how lying about your true identity is always dangerous as is playing with your childs sexuality
@SuperBoy-ps9dz
6 ай бұрын
Not cool Klyden!
@k..._...v
Жыл бұрын
No one’s perfect 👍🏼
@oreolaw9911
Жыл бұрын
Except for you!
@danieldickson8591
Жыл бұрын
You're allowed to say that to your own child when she needs to hear it from you.
@trevor9192
Жыл бұрын
I really dislike Klyden
@hallowed000
Жыл бұрын
he reedems later :)
@XultanisDragon
Жыл бұрын
A lot of people dislike Klyden without understanding where his character is coming from. Klyden grew up being taught mocclan society, rules, beliefs, etc etc. Magically finds out later as an adult that he was born female. Completely rocks his world. Now has a secret he probably wishes he can keep buried forever because he knows full well how mocclan's would treat a female. Then Topa is born. World gets rocked a second time because the secret he wanted to keep hidden is now staring at him in the face, fear sets in. Klyden did love Topa and tried to do whats best for Topa, which is hard for people to understand. However, the way to hell is paved with good intentions. He thought he was doing whats best for Topa because he understood first hand what Mocclas was like. The people, the government, the society, the prejudice. He grew up in it only to find out he was born as the thing they hate most. The fear later turns to anger as no one seems to understand why he is doing what he is doing. Anger turns to betrayal as everyone around him is trying to undermine him and doesn't listen to him. I'm not saying what he did was right. Just describing the other side. I've seen this happen in real life with friends, S/O's, loved ones. People that try to do what they think is best because of a misplaced fear. Like a Disney Princess being locked away in a Tower because the father is trying to keep her safe from some curse. Ahole thing to do but fear makes people do stupid things, especially when its fear for a loved one.
@kevinoldman232
2 ай бұрын
It is a Lie
@johnrobinson4445
Ай бұрын
This is why 'woke' is the only way forward.
@Hivedragon
Ай бұрын
How? She changed back into A female after she was turnend into A male.
@lizd2943
7 күн бұрын
@@Hivedragon They respected her identity instead of trying to force their cultural norms about gender on her. This is a metaphor for being trans or intersex.
@Hivedragon
7 күн бұрын
@@lizd2943 🤦♂️
@dorianlopez-garza5000
Ай бұрын
Hell no!!! WOKE Ideology. Not true he isnt perfect that way
@PhoenixCheetah
Ай бұрын
Nothing about this is woke… and what’s “wrong,” with him then?
@Hivedragon
Ай бұрын
Oke, you clearly havent seen the show. To recap it for you. Topa was born female, but due to their culture she was changed into a male after her birth. Then after figuring it out she changed back into female.
@noahjohnson935
Ай бұрын
you fail to realize this is an allegory for people who don't fit into society, yes?
@RandomsFandom
Жыл бұрын
I wish my day had said guy that. I'm male, but feel the lose of place like topa.
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