I’ve watched dozens of Bambu reviews, and none of those channels mentioned the privacy violations! Thank you!!!
@scubadoo7951
11 ай бұрын
@@EyeXombie Hey, Deputy Dumas... Getting on the internet doesn't compromise my inventions. You know what does? Printing the prototypes/proof of concepts on a printer that collects all of my files and the videos it takes of the prints does. I'm sure you want a 3D printer so you can make a sick costume for your nearest cosplay convention, because you think it will help you score with one of the 25 Xena Warrior Princesses in attendance.👫 But not everyone has those same lofty goals. So next time before you comment, just try to remember that the little nugget between your ears might not always be seeing the full picture. And good luck at your convention. Most women aren't attracted to gore, so hang up your Zombie costume. And Marvel Characters have been overdone, so choose something original as your costume that doubles as an icebreaker...maybe something that will make them laugh without you having to explain the joke.👍 All the best, Deputy.✌🙂
@davidjones7544
3 ай бұрын
I hope you don't use windows 10 or 11
@technicallyreal
Жыл бұрын
I've been waiting for someone to use their own mainboard & klipper with Bambu hardware! You're the first person to say that they're going to try. I can't wait!
@Shynd
Жыл бұрын
Imagine reviewing a printer after modifying its extruder. Every bit of information you provided on the K1 print quality is completely useless.
@hauntycz5191
11 ай бұрын
Yeah ... But .. they fixed the extruder, it all works now how it should so yeah i imagine
@bleach_drink_me
11 ай бұрын
Not ideal for sure but it does give an idea. I know at release the stock extruder was a problem but has been fixed. The extruder being changed is a valid complaint. It's going to impact the extrusion rate, weight and harmonics of the hotend. It does somewhat demonstrate the motion system. I would have rather seen the fixed extruder.
@martonlerant5672
10 ай бұрын
Yes. ...and at this point "who cares" thats half the point of open source 3D printers. Not to mention faulty extruder problem has been rectified.
@MilestoneVids
10 ай бұрын
100% agree totally unfair review.
@ypeelsleepy
6 ай бұрын
If the p1p print is more loose than the other that means the p1p is more accurate
@flex-ranger2
Жыл бұрын
Great in-depth video mate, really appreciate your real world analysis of the two machines. Cheers
@reyalPRON
10 ай бұрын
to adjust the estep for the extruder cant u just open up the correct setting file for your slicer? for bambu its all json files that open in any texteditor. then u just search for the parameter u want to edit. i for one changed the retraction distance for all 0.4 profile by this process and it works perfectly now. had some issues due to the standard temps used during the wiping and cleaning before each pring causing either the poop to not descend and get stuck on either the nozzle or the edge of the poopchute. then when it goes to the bare metal to swirl and grind down the nozzle it always oozes a bit while waiting for the bed to rise.. this little nugget then gets bent op the nozzle wall and then its stuck there due to the non plated nozzle tip. then it either falls off during calibration forcing the previous value to be used or it messes up the print later. after four rolls i had enough and started to look at how the slicer reads its values, then it became clear its as easy as reading a book and writing the changes i need manually. now it retracts 2mm during this process and i have 0 buggers or any dripping or oozing. why they chose 0.5mm and 0.8mm is beyond me... at those wait times its just stupid and over optimistic at best. its seems to me like the bambu team just took the average value of all their profiles retraction settings and went with that. to claim this machine does perfect prints out of the box i a truth with modifications. at least mine was. now, finally.. a week and a half into the ownership and the preprint procedure FINALLY works. hope they fix this soon in an update so i dont have to edit this manually in the files i probably should not edit in the first place 🙃
@Leonardokite
7 ай бұрын
As for Flexispot.... I got their lowest end table for a dog grooming table at 1/3 of the price of a purpose grooming table. Can you say totally awesome!
@NathanBuildsRobots
7 ай бұрын
Totally awesome! They really are the best value from what I’ve seen. Always nice when a good company offers sponsorships
@carter240
Жыл бұрын
Welp, I was about to order an X1C but the privacy issues really bother me. I have limited internet access and offline printing is a must. Thank you for highlighting this as I would have been very disappointed.
@NathanBuildsRobots
Жыл бұрын
You can print in LAN mode, over your local network
@raphofthehills4405
Жыл бұрын
No problem w offline printing w Bambu. Can be done either w SD card or using LAN mode. That does not use internet / cloud.
@jamierichards925
3 ай бұрын
use bambu labs slicer on the creality k1 it's amazing hoe much the quality improves just from the slicer used
@FC-eo9tn
10 ай бұрын
THANK YOU! .........so what are your TOP5 3D Printers Today in terms of Price/Performance/Quality ? ..................And which one would you buy from below , or are there cheaper prices? K1 Max AI High-Speed, 600mm/s 775 EUR Bambu Lab P1s Combo , 500mm/s, 899 EUR Bambu Lab X1 Carbon Combo 1367 EUR
@PhilippensTube
10 ай бұрын
I get most of your comments about the Bambu. The privacy concerns, the lack of control without the cloud, I get that. (prospective) Buyers should be aware of those things. But commenting about the lack of an enclosure for the P1P as a negative...seriously? The P1P is a cheaper version of the P1S, which is fully enclosed. Also, you can download STL files to print funky covers yourself. So it's not a valid point to comment on because you have the choice. One other aspect of the P1P is the possibility of connecting an AMS unit. The K1 doesn't have that option. This is something to consider for anyone who it looking to get one of the two. I also hate it that the Bambu printers are dependent on the cloud. But if you really want this printer, you can make an isolated subnet on your network (VLAN) and only connect it to update the firmware and disconnect it again when you're done. I hope Bambu expands the LAN mode's functionality so that you can connect Studio/Handy without the cloud, but I doubt they can do this for the P1 series, since it's got a very limited motherboard. I get that they made a nice ecosystem like Apple/Google, but is it really necessary to force that cloud connection? On the other hand: it's nothing different than Apple and Google have done for their smartphones and other devices. Even my Philips TV has an internet connection for updates. For the rest your review is pretty well balanced. Personally, I'd recommend the Bambu Lab, since they've shown in the past year that they stand by their product, had a lot of firmware and hardware updates and however crowded, the customer support seemed to get better and better (also the self help stuff on the website). This is way more than Creality has ever done for their customers.... On a sidenote: I'm not sure if you're aware, but the calibration print you did isn't supposed to be printed with supports. The goal is to show how well it prints overhangs. Supports kind of defeats that purpose. You mentioned that you printed everything with supports and I don't know if that was meant as some sort of excuse. I would have printed it again wtihout supports to show what the capabilities of the machines are.
@melangkoh4184
Жыл бұрын
you can print PC and ABS on a Ender 3s1 with a little bit of tweaking without trouble
@Danrchy
9 ай бұрын
Holy shiet. I was just about to order a Bambu Lab printer for xmas, but their Privacy Policy just pisses me off now. NO way im buying anything from Bambu lab. Thanks for a great review
@NathanBuildsRobots
9 ай бұрын
Look out for any printer that runs through the cloud. I much prefer a local workflow. If you're going to go on the network, something open-source like Klipper is preferable since it can be audited.
@NathanBuildsRobots
9 ай бұрын
And I mean stock klipper, not Creality Print, or the different versions that other manufacturers are using.
@Danrchy
9 ай бұрын
Thank you for the advice! Not that my prints are secret, but the idea of them knowing what i print just cant be accepted..@@NathanBuildsRobots
@cgwworldministries83
10 ай бұрын
I wanted to see a review of the k1. Not some bad hack job.
@bennyturbo
Жыл бұрын
I think a different extruder on k1 that's not fully calibrated is not comparing like with like.
@HighExplosiveOP
Ай бұрын
18:49 bro forgot the P1S and the P1P enclosure upgrade exist???
@aliceway3537
Жыл бұрын
On K1 you may get access to Fluid, rus blogger already did this
@NathanBuildsRobots
Жыл бұрын
I want creality to officially support it. I don't want to have to hack it to get it working.
@destinal_in_reality
Жыл бұрын
@@NathanBuildsRobots How do you mean officially support it, like give you a screen where you can view the root password like the sonic pad? (we know the default root password now, no "hacks" needed)
@NathanBuildsRobots
Жыл бұрын
Open sourcing the code mostly.
@grampafpv8013
Жыл бұрын
why did you put a new hotend on the k1 ? is it because the stock one sucks
@NathanBuildsRobots
Жыл бұрын
Yes
@Bonjour-World
Жыл бұрын
You have totally neglected the one outstanding feature of both printers: an enclosure for printing odiferous materials such as ABS.
@NathanBuildsRobots
Жыл бұрын
P1P has no enclosure, P1S has one. K1 has enclosure.
@FPChris
Жыл бұрын
K1 doesn’t have ams.
@3ddruckerplausch
Жыл бұрын
Creality still refuses to open the source code what they MUST do since Klipper but also Fluidd is under GNU GPLv3 Creative Commons license. So Creality must also open their own work parts to the community. Sorry Creality you lost any bit of Credit you still had by just stealing work of people and do anything to keep your work closed even by patching your image so that certain backdoors to jailbreak it are suddenly closed.
@NathanBuildsRobots
Жыл бұрын
Apparently there is a way to roll it back to the older jailbreakable version. The obvious solution here is for creality to release the code and support community efforts to improve their products.
@3ddruckerplausch
Жыл бұрын
@@NathanBuildsRobots It looks more like Creality is trying to hide what they used :) Fun fact is only due using Klipper / Fluidd they must give back to Open Source of what they have implemented additionally into Klipper / Fluidd and likewise they aint happy on that as there might be some intellectual property from them on that. Or ... if they are smart they honor the developers and get an special license as this seems also to be possible (just look at the Beacon sensor it runs a Klipper MCU but no code has been shared and not needed as they have made arrangements with the Klipper team.
@destinal_in_reality
Жыл бұрын
@@NathanBuildsRobots The issue really isn't any "jailbreak." The earlier exploit just changed the root password to creality., But we now know the default root password so this isn't needed. The big problem for most users is they no longer ship the disabled moonraker and fluidd web interface in the latest version, so there's nothing to re-enable when you ssh in. We'll have to come up with a script of some kind to re-add them. Or ideally we could just come up with our own firmware for the printer as a hobbyist project but it's a lot more work. So yeah for now rolling back is the best way.
@destinal_in_reality
Жыл бұрын
@@3ddruckerplausch Technically they can't hide what they did as we can extract it from the firmware image. A bunch of us have been looking at it. They should still comply with the open source licenses so we don't have to jump through those hoops.
@IrocZIV
Жыл бұрын
You've put yourself in a bad situation if you ever have to trust your life with a 3D print :P
@NathanBuildsRobots
Жыл бұрын
People do it surprisingly often. Machine controls, electronics enclosures, hooks and latches, bicycle parts to name a few
@Runoratsu
10 ай бұрын
I like my X1C exactly for the reason that I DON’T have to tinker with it. I started out with a Solidoodle years ago and worked my way up through Anycubics, etc, and when Bambu had the X1C on kickstarter I jumped on it. For me, 3D printing isn’t a hobby, it’s a _tool_ I use for my other hobbies, and so any kind of tinkering I have to put into them stands in the way of me doing what I actually want to do. And the bambulab printers are great for that. They have well tuned print profiles and-thus-great print quality out of the box, and they do all calibration by themselves instead of making you do it and re-do it with every filament change, every temperature change in their environment, etc. I’m much more critical of their complete closed source approach, because a) it blocks innovation and b) I still don’t really trust them to keep it all so cheap and well-working as it is now. Eh… my Peopoly Magneto will soon be on its way to me, let’s see how I’ll get along with that, then I’ll have an alternative if the X1C ever does not do what I want it to do anymore.
@blitzbeeb2485
4 ай бұрын
THX
@focalratio456
6 ай бұрын
Major PROPS for reading the Privacy Policy! I'm an independent product developer under NDAs with companies, and what BAMBU has done there is no bueno for people like me looking for a machine for rapid prototyping! I'll pass on the BAMBU and look for something else! Thanks you for the extremely valuable review on these machines! Out of all the reviews I have seen on these, no one has bothered to mention the contents of the PRIVACY POLICY.
@thenewmodelworkshop5743
Жыл бұрын
You critisised Bambu for collecting cloud data, then almost immediately praised them for using that data to tune print profiles and improve their software, and then critisised Creality for not doing that!!!
@dexterstanley4185
Жыл бұрын
Lol, I caught that as well 😂
@serverboyuk
Жыл бұрын
a gun can kill and protect at the same time
@yourdad2107
5 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@rDigital2A
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for hammering the privacy aspect of these printers. We like our airgapped 8 bit bois in my industry.
@MalignSociety
Жыл бұрын
The data harvesting is getting out of control. We need to delete Bambu and all of these companies that share this idea.
@scubadoo7951
Жыл бұрын
@@MrAbletospeak 🤣
@phasesecuritytechnology6573
11 ай бұрын
Non-issue. No one cares about your g-code, not even the China based copycats. This has already been talked about on other channels who actually sell their 3dp products online. They get copied and stolen even though the printers are not networked. There is 1000 times more data to harvest from your Ring camera, Nest thermostat, and your smartphone. And these companies can actually shut your products off remotely if you aren't woke enough (its happened.)
@CharlieMikeNS
11 ай бұрын
@@MalignSocietyWhat did you type this comment on? Lmaoo. A smartphone using a Google application? You're literally carrying a spying device in your pocket everywhere you go. So am I. What am I going to do about it? It's the world we live in. If you don't live in a cabin in the woods off the grid with no technology, you're getting spied on. Bambu is small fish.
@R0T0Q
10 ай бұрын
@@MrAbletospeak Its definitely a concern when you consider the use case for these machines (for a lot of people/businesses) is prototyping proprietary parts and designs. Not so much for those of us just printing for fun.
@GeekRedux
Жыл бұрын
That Bambu privacy/data usage TOS is a deal-breaker for sure. Shame.
@NathanBuildsRobots
Жыл бұрын
Just wait for X1E, enterprise edition with no cloud. But will probably be in the 1-3k range
@Andre_M_3D
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comparison. I will say the fact you moded the k1 with a different extruder did not make it a fair comparison. I am not a fan of either companies mind you but the issues with the print quality could be due to the extruder upgrade. But otherwise, it's a great video. Thanks Nathan. Keep up the good work
@NathanBuildsRobots
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, just trying to show what I've done with it in the last 2 months. I hope we get some good drop-in aftermarket extruder options soon. The balance is all thrown off by the LGX sticking out of the top.
@garylangford6755
Жыл бұрын
Agree this comparison isn't fair. You also complained about what the slicer did such as not put a brim on. Isn't that something the user should be setting themselves? Again why didn't you make the machines stock before reviewing so we could compare what WE ARE getting.😊
@cellarboy72
Жыл бұрын
Thank goodness someone else pointed this out - I came to the video wanting a comparison between the P1P and K1 but got a video comparing a (?) stock P1P and a modded K1. Doesn’t really help my purchasing decision.
@Bsquaredplus2
9 ай бұрын
Out of curiosity, what don't you like about Bambu Lab?
@Liberty4Ever
Жыл бұрын
As usual with Creality, the K1 is 97% excellent and the last 3% seriously hampers the reliability and print quality. It doesn't work unless everything works. It won't take much to put a good extruder on there. It's 2023 and we know how to make good extruders, including low mass high flow extruders for high speed printers. There's a definite market for a company to sell a $75 K1 extruder that works well and reliably, and supply it with tuned K1 profiles for all common filaments, which is exactly what Creality should have done prior to shipping the first K1. Fortunately, it's not too difficult to downgrade the K1 firmware so the full open source version of Klipper can be installed. I'd like a medium fast printer but more interested in reliability and print quality than speed. I want it enclosed, 100C bed and 300C hardened nozzle. Automated bed leveling using force probing on the heated bed with a heated nozzle for perfect first layers across the entire bed. Open source is awesome and industry standard parts are greatly preferred to proprietary parts. It's not that complicated. I don't want lidar, camera, cloud services, complicated filament swapping, etc. Instead of bloated features, keep it simple but nail all of the details. Printer manufacturers should supply profiles for their printer for all popular slicers so the customer can use their preferred slicer.
@teddy_ursidae
Жыл бұрын
Hit the nail on the head! Speed is great, but it's twice as good if the print is reliable on the first attempt. And honestly, in a community as reliant on open source as ours, it absolutely flaws me that manufacturers seem to be increasingly unwilling to play into the spirit of end user customisation.
@mrmidnight32
28 күн бұрын
What machine would you recommend for best quality prints that’s not resign? I don’t care about the speed, I just want quality and a good size bed that has an enclosure to do ABS and other materials once a blue moon for under $500.
@MihaiDesigns
Жыл бұрын
Great points! You should get a free part replacement for the WiFi issue.
@NathanBuildsRobots
Жыл бұрын
My last interaction with support took weeks to get anywhere and it really turned me off asking them for help.
@MrHeHim
Жыл бұрын
K1 just lost most it's major (imo) advantage, making the P1S a no brainer (again, imo). Especially for someone that needs to use the machine as a home appliance, and not a basic hobbyist nightmare 😅
@NathanBuildsRobots
Жыл бұрын
Lol hobbyist nightmare is a fun phrase. I think the P1S is a great deal. Would have expected them to sell it at $800 personally, but it's going for $700. Anyone who just bought a P1P must be P1Ssed 😂
@MrHeHim
Жыл бұрын
@@NathanBuildsRobots I have the Creality Sermon D1 that I picked up open box at Micro Center for $280, countless design flaws. They came a LONG way in two years. But I've been modifying and improving my 3D printers since a few years after I got my first printer back in 2012 (MakerBot Replicator Dual) which still prints as good as any Mk3 Prusa machine, then later an i3 Duplicator (needed a larger printer and, you guessed it.. open box for $110 at Micro Center) which I also made tons of custom mods and designs to improve it.. but the D1 had my hands full for months 🥲 half baked is still good enough to kill salmonella.. this thing was raw 💀 I personally designed all the fan ducting, part cooler, and other parts. Squared it perfectly, rewired/repurposed a secondary part cooler/heat brake fan that only came on when it was over heating 😳 etc etc etc. Now it runs on a Sonic Pad (again, open box at Micro Center) and custom printer config because even though the D1 is supported on the Sonic Pad it doesn't work on so many levels. Grossly misconfigured Now, after so much tweaking and mods I can honestly say for the past year it's got to the point where I have full confidence I can print large ABS projects without any worry. So much so that I don't even bother to monitor it start printing anymore, it's in a large closet hooked up to a WiFi outlet. I just turn it on remotely, send the print through OrcaSlicer and it's perfect. Prints perfect ABS mechanical parts @200mms 🥰 Anywho, long->short; nightmare if you don't think reengineering parts and fixing fundamental flaws are fun 😊 feels nearly as accomplished as when I fully restored and improved an old Supra i had 🥰 That's my story for the day, gah bie
@destinal_in_reality
Жыл бұрын
What do you mean that K1 lost its major advantage?
@NathanBuildsRobots
Жыл бұрын
@@destinal_in_reality Probably referring to the enclosure. P1S has an enclosure so it closes the gap with the K1
@NathanBuildsRobots
Жыл бұрын
@@MrHeHim Thank you for your Ted Talk. Yep Creality machines often need a TON of work. Kind of like a brain teaser.
@ArielMiBox
11 ай бұрын
You mentioned that you wouldn't buy either K1 or P1P!? What should you choose in that price range and performance? Thanks for a honest review!
@mravx2993
Жыл бұрын
We were lucky to get root on the K1 and it would be sweet if Creality - or actually anyone - would offer that as an option for tinkerers by default, but that point alone wins it for me. It's annoying Creality took out software they didn't even acknowledge of using in the latest updates, but we're working on Custom FW.
@preysner
Жыл бұрын
You lost credibility work me when you admitted you couldn't figure out how to use the AMS. Your claims about privacy are also particularly ironic given that you're posting a review on KZitem. Google has already probably given your genetic code to the Chinese. It amazes me when people online complain about privacy. Even more nuts that you end by telling people to buy neither machine because you prefer to have machines that you can tinker with. It's like refusing to buy a nice car because it is too reliable.
@unity3938
Жыл бұрын
I was really looking forward to the K1 MAX but given all the issues with the K1 I decided against that for at least a year so the hugs can get worked out. SOVOL really seem like the go to printers atm but I'm most interested in Flying Bears printers as a starting point for a truly great, cheap printer.
@NathanBuildsRobots
Жыл бұрын
Flying bear was great. Seemed like a very serviceable design made of standard parts, which these new hyper speed coreXY printers are lacking.
@unity3938
Жыл бұрын
@@NathanBuildsRobots my current experiment is a Orbiter2/CHC/CHT Volcano hotend and if that goes well then klipper and my reborn 2 might become the backbone of my businesses farm.
@bleach_drink_me
11 ай бұрын
@unity3938 how did the chc/cht work out for you? I tried it on my delta. I couldn't get retractions dialed in good enough and had stringing and oozing and big z seams.
@unity3938
11 ай бұрын
@@bleach_drink_me it's been working well for me. I think your problems are from the CHT nozzle, the three channels don't react the same to retractions as one big one does, the nozzle holds plastic way more than a single channel one does. I use 1.1mm retraction dist and 205c print temp on black PLA. The retraction dist is about the most I can do before it starts to clog but I think it's printing cooler to increase the viscosity of the plastic and using an aggressive 0.3mm hop on retract that keeps my stringing down. Hope this helps.
@SavijCoder
Жыл бұрын
I wonder if you tune both machines and re-run this test how much closer would it be. It's not as important to me how perfect it is out of the box. I would rather see how good they can get (especially since you already got the replacement extruder from Creality).
@CharlieMikeNS
11 ай бұрын
And I'm on the other side of the spectrum. I want an appliance. I want something that just works out of the box. I don't want to fiddle around with it to get it where it should be out of the box.
@maxdolski904
Жыл бұрын
DONT USE THE SONIC PAD!!! DONT USE THE SONIC PAD!!! Use the BTT pad 7, it has actual stock klipper, not some ripped off creality klipper version which crealty uses. USE THE BTT PAD 7!!!
@HN-qc8io
Жыл бұрын
This was actually a useful review and you were perfectly critical of both. Thank you.
@Jokemeister1
Жыл бұрын
I would argue that hacking the K1 extruder and not implementing it properly is not a fare comparison. Better if comparison was stock machines or factory options only.
@danielportolira
Жыл бұрын
I can´t understand how a so amazing, complete and honest review doesn´t hit 50.000 views yet... thank you for your great job!
@abotolo
11 ай бұрын
It's getting close to that. 43k right now.
@bethisway
Жыл бұрын
what a waste of a review. "Hey guys I tried to fix my car and now it won't run right lets test it!"
@nrich5127
Жыл бұрын
The fact that Bamboo Labs is a "closed system" that doesn't allow the user to modify/adapt/ troubleshoot the software nor the hardware plus the security issues makes this company fall off my list. The Creality although inferior in a few areas ( the hot end in particular ) still allows for mods/adaptations/fixes and a much better interface will eventually dominate. Perhaps tweeks to the Clipper software will improve overall quality. That being said the Bamboo Labs AMS is a major step forward that put it is a league of its own with automated 4 color printing.
@xc68000
Жыл бұрын
This is completely untrue. The K1 is as locked down or maybe more at the moment than the P1P. They even moved to close the exploit that was being used to access fluid/mainsail interfaces. They (Creality) have not released the source code per the GPL license. At least with Bambu you can easily use a different slicer (Orca). You can use other slicers with K1 but with zero integration to the print engine...so if you like SD cards sure.
@NathanBuildsRobots
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, there are a TON of good printers coming out right now. If Creality can fix the hotend/extruder, and let people put Klipper on the K1, it'd be an easy reccomend.
@nrich5127
Жыл бұрын
@@xc68000 I stand corrected on your point.
@JPToto
Жыл бұрын
Super thoughtful review, Nathan. Thanks for your opinions and testing!
@jameskiely5518
Жыл бұрын
I like how you gloss over how you changed the whole extruder on the K1... And it still prints like garbage😂..... What's up with supports on the calibration test print
@NathanBuildsRobots
Жыл бұрын
Underextruded. I assume it didn’t apply the 154% flow compensation to the support material. The new extruder reduced print quality, but improves reliability. I don’t care about print quality if the extruder isn’t reliable.
@kylelongstaff
Жыл бұрын
I'm not gonna lie. I bought the K1 and it was not much cheaper than P1P, it's smaller, there is no nozzle wiper or air filter. The enclosure temps never exceeded 38C with the heat bed all the way at 100C due to huge gaps. And the creality slicer was absolute garbage, kept freezing my computer. So I returned my K1 and spent $100 more on P1S however I know for a fact the P1S has good software and better quality hardware.
@sentlon
Жыл бұрын
agree creality make bad apps, i having of issues of the creality slicer the 1st and 2nd layers are missing it make the printer printing on the air. these only happen when i change the initial layer flow rate in the setting. i couldnt print the ABS because of these fail slicer of Creality,
@NathanBuildsRobots
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, they need to steal PRUSASLICER and ORCASLICER like Bambu did. Software development is hard and expensive, better to get others to do the work for free.
@AndrewAHayes
Жыл бұрын
@@NathanBuildsRobots Creality claimed they developed Creality Print from scratch, it looks like a Cura X Prusa Slicer fork to me! and I bet there will be no source code published.
@Omniverse0
Жыл бұрын
Some of us don't have reliable internet. Requiring that for a 3D printer is a big thumbs-down for that reason alone.
@raphofthehills4405
Жыл бұрын
Internet is not a requirement for printing. Offline printing w P1 is perfectly possible with SD card or its LAN mode.
@personwomanmancameratelevision
11 ай бұрын
@@raphofthehills4405 Thank youfor this. You have been able to print offline since day one on every bambu lab printer but this BS has not been addressed by the click bait NBR. He doesnt have to like BL but why is he always lying?
@oyuyuy
Жыл бұрын
How can you call it a 'Long Term Review' when you haven't even figured out the proper print settings yet?!?
@suppermuddyjeep
11 ай бұрын
Lol never buying a Bambu lab. They sound just as bad as Mac!
@UBe-hhger
11 ай бұрын
The comparison is absolutely worthless because you modded the K1
@szymusiek22
Жыл бұрын
Creality and quality controll. I already heard about issues with K1. I am curious how elegoo neptune 4 will perform compared to those two.
@NathanBuildsRobots
Жыл бұрын
Same, will be my first Elegoo machine.
@Robindahoodz
Жыл бұрын
I think it would be beneficial to packet sniff the bambu printer, find out what ip addresses on the internet it tries to talk to and block them at the router level. That way we can get local area connectivity but not allow the printer out to the internet. We could also just block its mac address from accessing the internet all-together on our router settings.
@NathanBuildsRobots
Жыл бұрын
Tell me you are an IT professional without telling me you are an IT professional
@davidhaney1394
Жыл бұрын
With respect ., you need to do the hack and get your K1 machine into full control fluid so that you can tweak it better , its a completely different machine like that !
@peterboy209
Жыл бұрын
You nailed it, 👍 i love my (modded) ender 3v2. It's reliable and cheap. That's what i was looking for. The next step could be an elegoo neptune or sovol, but i also like the silent mingda magicians or the cheap kingroon's. Keep up your good work 👍
@tek9058
Жыл бұрын
It was cheap before you modded :)
@markobasanovic5644
Жыл бұрын
I had some problems on my Sovol SV06+, but now, after 3 weeks of use I am really happy with it. I think you can't buy a better 340$ printer
@PyroNine9
Жыл бұрын
I've been looking at K1 for a while, but It's just not there yet. Perhaps it'll get more interesting when it's open sourced, especially if it proves feasible to replace the firmware with real Klipper. For me, cloud is a non-starter. I prefer for devices to not even consider connecting to a cloud 'resource', especially since I do occasionally print things for not yet announced products that might or might not ever be released. Also cloud is a code word for "expect the rug to be pulled one day". Until that all gets worked out, I'll stick with my well modded E3Pro or maybe build a Voron. Please keep up the good work!
@NathanBuildsRobots
Жыл бұрын
Thank you PyroNine. Ender 3 with some high quality mods is a great setup.
@jl8096
Жыл бұрын
Creality and Bambu both Chinese company, can't tell which one is worse than other regarding to security reason. Creality also has cloud printing and also need to connect their website to update firmware. Only p1p has sd card slot which is more difficult to in and out than usb slot and that is the reason you can say offline printing is worse than K1? hahaha. Why didn't mention about LAN only mode on P1p? This video makes your channel is NSC not NBR. :P
@NathanBuildsRobots
Жыл бұрын
You can update creality firmware offline using USB. Just from a networking perspective it is easier to control all the data going in and out of the K1. The P1P would be a security risk due to all of the points of contact with your data. Slicer, phone app, cloud, etc. just to hook your P1P up to the internet you have to download app, create bambu account, agree to TOS and PP, etc etc. K1 I opend the box and can treat it like an offline printer and it is very easy to use this way. P1P is not the same.
@Orangeking05
Жыл бұрын
K1 had to many terrible design flaws and should not be bought in my opinions
@NathanBuildsRobots
Жыл бұрын
Did you... Did you watch the video?
@jacobwilliamson8406
Жыл бұрын
I like this review but I don't think it is 100 % fair as you have modified the k1. so is that something you have to do if you purchase a k1 ? instantly modify it to get any reliable prints?
@NathanBuildsRobots
Жыл бұрын
I had to. I got a very early production model of the K1. Will be checking out a more recent one soon, and will run it for 20 hrs straight to see if it's reliable.
@haalra
Жыл бұрын
on the K1 i also encountered the problem that it always started printing with values stored in the [custom_macro] at 240/50C. Solved that by changing the start gcode - that said i forgot which google result had the working solution 💀
@NathanBuildsRobots
Жыл бұрын
Nice, there are so many quirks on 3D printers sometimes.
@PapaP86
4 ай бұрын
Hmmm, had heard great things about Bambu Lab, but the offline workflow as well as them uploading/retaining whatever you print is a big turn off. All my previous printers have been Creality (2x Ender 3s and 1x CR-10S). Still a little offput even the K1 doesn't work with a Raspberry Pi and Octoprint. Does it at least have a web interface you can use from a networked PC?
@gagegrogan6162
Жыл бұрын
lol what are you printing that needs that much privacy?😂
@NathanBuildsRobots
Жыл бұрын
🍆👽🔫
@heisenbergx
Жыл бұрын
Bambu lab makes so many things right! I love them. And K1 is trash sorry, slicer bad, cali algorithm bad, nozzle cleaning on bed is very bad, interface on screen very bad…. I hate mine k1
@officialWWM
9 ай бұрын
This video is no longer current. Pretty much all the issues you outlined about the K1 have been fixed.
@TimothyStovall108
7 ай бұрын
Thanks for the review. I have a Neptune 4 plus, and have been looking for another machine, and decided on the K1 Max. I was originally looking at an X1C, as it already has multi-filament support with the AMS, but the closed cloud based system, with lack of ethernet was kind of a big deal breaker for me and what I am working on. I was even looking at the new X1E which has ethernet, and can be fully utilized without the cloud, but the build volume ended up being too small for my needs. As well, realized I am not even "allowed" to purchase the X1E since I'm not an company, as it is an "Enterprise" grade machine bs. Bambu's locked ecosystem and data harvesting is a big pass for me, and as much as I want to own a Bambu printer for the raving quality right out of the box, I just can't with the projects and clients I have. Had a buddy pick up the K1 Max for me yesterday since he happened to be in the city with a Microcenter near him, and the K1 was $699 in store! Going to pick it up from him this weekend, and excited to get things going with it. Especially a carbon nylon part I've been trying to print, but has lifted of the print bed around the same point 3 tries now from slight warping. Other than that, the print head on the K1 Max, as well as the N4+, will be replaced soon with Co-Prints new chroma print head for multi-filament printing. Backed the company back in November, and was pleasantly surprised when I realized Creality was helping in co-development of the system. I feel the K1 with the Croma KCM system will surpass Bambu's X1's with AMS in so many ways once it releases in a few months. Time will tell.
@MalignSociety
Жыл бұрын
Too much Chinese. Where is the Wuxn WXR comparison?
@NathanBuildsRobots
Жыл бұрын
If they want to send one over I’ll try it out.
@anthonylong5870
7 ай бұрын
Update on 2/19/2024: You can update the firmware on the P1P through the mini SD card. And also the Wifi issues have been fixed, they put a better Wifi card in the P1P. Also there is a kit you can buy o turn the P1P into a full blown P1S which is fully enclosed and has extra filtering and fans
@drpainsjourney
Жыл бұрын
To ANY that is worried about the privacy ... have you SELF go online and read it???? (I have, and can tell, that you don't get correct information at all!) ALWAYS CHECK WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING!!!!!! Don't be a fool and just trust some random KZitem person.
@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403
3 ай бұрын
As someone who loves tinkering with things, but has gotten to the point where I have more things to do than time to do it, I don't want to tinker with a 3D printer. For some people, it's a hobby. For me, I want it to use a 3D printer to print what I need, then move on. So I don't care about the lack of modding. I DO care about the privacy stuff though. Uggghh!!!
@officialWWM
9 ай бұрын
I don’t want to mess around with the machine or modify it, that sounds like a pain in the arse to me! I just want it to work!
@raiqulikesyou
3 ай бұрын
Why not just put a vinyl sticker over the Bambu's camera if your concerned them monitoring your print. Do whatever you've gotta do online or through the app then just take it offline when you're ready to print. Is the printer not properly functional if you do this?
@bigtexuntex7825
5 ай бұрын
You sliced your calibration tester with supports, the overhang test isn't valid. It isn't an overhang if you printed it with a support. The p1p scissor is rattling because it printed correctly. You could have intentionally made a bad print on the p1p to get that K1 "tight hinge" result.
@Fishfood007
28 күн бұрын
“The joy of printing comes from modifying your printer and just printing things every now and then” When you prefer working on printers over printing.
@Bsquaredplus2
9 ай бұрын
I was a Creality loyalist until I got my first Bambu Lab printer. Never has printing looked as good and needed minimal to no tinkering at all. Have had a couple of issues with the AMS and respooling, but those have all been spool manufacturer issues and easily resolved. I will never buy another Creality machine
@curtis0000
Жыл бұрын
This is an awesome review! Have you considered comparing it to the new p1s now that the p1p is cheaper?
@theglowcloud2215
Жыл бұрын
The extruder on the K1 is junk. Creality likes to pretend they're competing in the Serious Printer ™segment now, but they're still doing the same dumb crap they've always done: cutting corners.
@JohnOlson
Жыл бұрын
One comment/observation, but your negative on the P1P about "not being mod friendly" probably will get some people saying "But I don't mod my printer, so I don't care". Its not just modding your printer, its fixing it yourself. Even though Bambu is now selling the x-carriage and its inexpensive, its super clear that Bambu didn't design this printer with user maintenance in mind. Very little on the Bambu is easy to service or replace... except the hotend.
@JohnOlson
Жыл бұрын
Btw - loved the final comments on "speed" for the average user. So true. We've become obsessed by speed, corexy. Get something that gets the job done and is cheap*.
@NathanBuildsRobots
Жыл бұрын
I feel like speed printing is jumping the shark... Like, what else is there to do now? Further improvements to FDM will be mostly slicer and materials driven. We don't NEED to buy new printers anymore.
@JohnOlson
Жыл бұрын
@@NathanBuildsRobots Definitely slicer driven. Why can't the slicer be smart enough to know the appropriate face and supports needed? Or at least provide some options to the user. Then there is all the work being down on arc overhangs, etc. Users have gotten hung up on speed. Quality of a print should be the #1 criteria but we still dont' have a solid metric to quantify because of the many use cases. Visual quality? strength quality? etc.
@NathanBuildsRobots
Жыл бұрын
If you look at car sales, what sells? Horsepower? Price? Features? 0-60 speed? I think with printing we have become fixated on speed benchy. Though, to be fair, speed is hugely important and super convenient. But ease of use is also important. I don't care about 5 hrs vs 6 hrs to finish a print when getting the print started is a PITA and takes 20 minutes, when it should only take 5. My time is more valuable than machine time.
@roysredneckgarage2956
7 ай бұрын
sonic pad made my ender 3 pro run like th newer printers and i enjoyed modding it also. i agree to many ef-in cameras on too much crap. I miss the privacy we took for granted in the 1980"s!
@teamcyrmining3673
10 ай бұрын
You are telling Bamboo Labs to "work offline for security reasons" while they built an entire business just to get their app on your phone and your designs on their cloud lol. They aren't a 3D printer company they are a spy agency.
@desmondmiles1066
Ай бұрын
you are reviewing things that are modded. so it's not a long term review at all man. it's basically printer with your settings. if it fails, it's on you alone
@richarddespres8011
9 ай бұрын
Wow! Thank you for pointing out the serious privacy issues with the Bambu products. No way will I be buying one of their products ever.
@teddymott5757
10 ай бұрын
Imagine doing a review of a printer, you rip off a support halfway through and let it finish the print instead of restarting the print..... i still am going with the bambu lab P1S but it seems like everytime he points out any issue with either machine print its followed up by how he did something mid print that caused the problem and he should have restarted the print. As a result all findings in this video are literally void and pointless when all the problems with the prints seem to be human error and refusal to restart the prints. Also the test print overhangs are meant to not have supports to show how your machine handles different levels of overhang... what would you let it have supports for? Defeats the entire purpose of that part of the test...
@LordNerfherder
Жыл бұрын
Hmmm, this review seems like these printers has not been used and suddenly brought forth for a last frint and then judges based on it. Someone who has used and tinkered here would probably not experienced these issues. On a sample size of one I cant really judge it based on this. If you reprinted these the results would probably vary more than the difference inbetween these prints.
@sierraecho884
Жыл бұрын
I love the Ben Franklin citation, super funny and I am a big fan of the original quote. Also well done for pointing out the service agreement with Bambu, this is very very important today and most reviwers seem to simply not give a fuck. The Bambu Lab machine is basically spyware in the shape of a 3D printer.
@NathanBuildsRobots
Жыл бұрын
I need to go through other manufacturer's TOS, and explain to people why I care, because a lot of people don't care. Which is fair enough, they don't have to.
@sierraecho884
Жыл бұрын
@@NathanBuildsRobots I am of a different opinion. To Think "I have nothing to hide I don´t care" is very stupid and irresponsible. I am from the formen sovjet union, believe you me that this IS very important. It´s undemocratic and generally speaking bad.
@porksandbean
Жыл бұрын
didn't know how stupid the privacy issue with the bamboo. the joy for me is to just print something without fiddling. i like to use it as just like a document printer. i'd like to focus on creativity than fixing bugs.
@thegps7197
Жыл бұрын
Glad you highlighted the data privacy issues. Its a real issue for businesses as all my printer have to run offline and cannot be connected to the company network. I have found prusaslicer when a step file comes in bad and you tell it to fix it, it seems to want to to send it over the network to somewhere which fixes the step file and pulls it back into prusaslicer. Voron or vzbot it is then....
@NathanBuildsRobots
Жыл бұрын
Bambu Lab is working on something to address privacy concerns. They realize many customers won’t buy it in its current state, using the cloud. Should be coming out in 3-6 months?
@Bonjour-World
Жыл бұрын
@@NathanBuildsRobots I think that is usually referred to as "too little, too late".
@kevinw7319
Жыл бұрын
Lol just put tape over the camera
@trekker683
Жыл бұрын
@@kevinw7319they also monitor your network activity and they can keep and use your designs.
@serverboyuk
Жыл бұрын
@@NathanBuildsRobots not sure if an enterprise version will do the job; perhaps only open hardware and open software can be better trusted in this context
@patrickisswayze3446
Жыл бұрын
As someone who was looking at a bambu with ams for prototyping and primarily research purposes this is exactly what i was afraid of. Im from the synth/modular/circuit bending community and ive seen more than once somebody send a schematic to a company in shenzen for a limited run and next thing you know some company with a randomly generated name is selling a module eerily similar. If it was offline id be all about it. I like the whole camera in the chamber idea but having all that sent along with the cad information back to the company is just horribly Orwellian. Even if its best in class thats a dealbreaker if i want to go into production and market my products. So essentially they would gain access to the blueprints and my intellectual property everytime i run a new design through the printer if its online and i would of agreed to that.
@NathanBuildsRobots
Жыл бұрын
There is a potential for data breach with any cloud system where you are uploading the files to someone else’s circuit. The X1E should help address some of those concerns, it will be a bambu lab machine that runs off the cloud
@patrickisswayze3446
Жыл бұрын
@@NathanBuildsRobots I had a idea of just using a old router for initial setup then disconnecting it and going the ol SD card route or seeing if I can access the printer over the router without having internet on that network. Still though it's a lot of money to dump on a x1c and 2 ams units just to find out it's not going to work. Fine. I'll just make slider knobs and lens hoods that'll show em. Seriously though, it feels like I'm stuck between dual extruder ($$$$) and the ams.
@pellcorp
Жыл бұрын
You just convinced me not to go bambu at all! I'm used to offline and it's really a must, but I also hate that creality is not making firmware open source, I want stock standard klipper and prusa slicer
@grathado28
Жыл бұрын
I got any of these two printers the first thing I would do is gut the electronics
@NathanBuildsRobots
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, just put a basic board in there and maybe a module to run Klipper. I'd be pleased if the manufacturers could do that. Flying Bear Ghost 6 is actually pretty awesome for a CoreXY that uses standard electronics.
@destinal_in_reality
Жыл бұрын
Given enough time the community is going to make vanilla klipper work on stock electronics just like any other standard klipper electronics. It's just that this is a side project for most of us alongside day jobs etc so it'll take a while.
@gman9543
Жыл бұрын
The fact that you had to add a hack to the Creality machine solidifies the choice for me. I need to be printing productively, not tinkering.
@xtianplaza
10 ай бұрын
You cannot evaluate how two different printers works if you have started to update and modify one! Pretty simple logic… 👎
@anthonylong5870
7 ай бұрын
The 3rd Darkhorse in the race that is better than both of these: Flashforge Adventurer 5M or 5M Pro , Just better than both in every way
@pellcorp
Жыл бұрын
A shame we can't have a comparison of the two printers abstracted from their software, there should be profiles for prusaslicer for both printers would have also been good to see a comparison of original equipment
@CapacitorCapacity
Жыл бұрын
You keep hammering on the K1 extruder but you refused to install the new revision. And you refuse because "well I'm a mechanical engineer so I already know it won't make a difference" and despite your expert mechanical intuitions K1 owners who have moved to the revised extruder have almost all, universally, noticed a massive improvement in extrusion and reliability. You say the K1 has sacrificed quality for speed, but you're using a quick and dirty hacked on extruder which you haven't bothered to tune because you have not rooted the machine and gotten full Fluidd access. My K1 very often beats my P1P in print quality. I enjoy your content but your reviews always come off as "I know better" rather than informative.
@NathanBuildsRobots
Жыл бұрын
I’ll try out a new factory fresh K1 later today. If they have fixed the extruder issues, that’s great!
@AGodDamnNugget
Жыл бұрын
my brain went from: I WANT BAMBU> maybe creality is good enough?> I WANT BAMBU> oh yea no not bambu....
@NathanBuildsRobots
Жыл бұрын
Gaslighting your audience is the new KZitem meta
@bettydaltonnewbold2019
Жыл бұрын
I like your shirt!
@arturcimardi
10 ай бұрын
you use the wrong method to print the overhang test, the thing is, dont use suports to see how much the print can do until it fails. If you use suports, you can print any angle
@wrxsubaru02
Жыл бұрын
You seem to understand how KZitem algorithms work. 😉
@NathanBuildsRobots
Жыл бұрын
“Common search term 1 vs common search term 2. You won’t believe what happened next!”
@yourdad2107
5 ай бұрын
Creality should add a disclaimer to their printers that it needs a lot of tinkering to get the auto bed leveling work 😆
@zaphodbeeblerock
10 ай бұрын
So your K1 is modified ... how can this test tell anything objectiv!?!
@kenchen704
Жыл бұрын
Bro says P1P printed so accurately that it undercut the tolerances in the design, and then proceeds to say he likes the K1 print better 💀 If the scissors had tolerances designed around the P1P, the K1’s printed scissors won’t even move
@NathanBuildsRobots
Жыл бұрын
Yup, you got it! I don’t need to explain it because my audience is 1000 IQ
@phuluong4651
Жыл бұрын
I don’t have my p1p connected to the wifi and can still uses it with the SD port at the top near the interface panel
@cdd7672
Жыл бұрын
First great information on 3d printing. Thank you. Question: I had many problems with X1-C early feb purchase. Just returned for full refund I wonder if they fixed the problems. Or should get the new P1S with AMS. Does P1S print CF not sure if that’s ok.
@NathanBuildsRobots
Жыл бұрын
P1S can print CF if you also get a hardened steel nozzle, and it is also advisable to get hardened extruder gears. All in it should cost $60-$80 to upgrade to carbon fiber printing.
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