"They know the spells, but that doesn't mean they know how it works!" as someone who is close to finishing his bachelor with majors in programming, who has talked to lecturers and industry professionals and asked for just a sliver of knowledge and wisdom. Yes, 100%, it is like this. Across all levels of "expertise" 🤣
@Puerco-Potter
Жыл бұрын
We are the community, the community knows a lot about computers, the individual knows how to talk with the community.
@ShadeBoi
Жыл бұрын
I love the fact that I can think of at least one mod that actually exists for every idea burger mentioned
@atab6555
Жыл бұрын
"You cant copyright knowledge" hey babe new dystopian setting just dropped
@RedStinger_0
Жыл бұрын
Independent artists and creators are what I love the most about industries like these, because that's where the real passion is nowadays. Support your local/favorite indie creators, y'all.
@Lilliathi
Жыл бұрын
Support your local garbage man. His job is trash and he needs it more. Signed: an indie artist.
@CoolerGuy121
Жыл бұрын
Fuck sometimes I miss the good ol youtube poop
@Macaroth1
Жыл бұрын
By now I think Indie games are often much better than games created by huge companies. I van only recommend trying it.
@kanarokan6060
Жыл бұрын
Great video. The Skyrim modding scene is what kept the game alive for this long. Seeing passionate people creating something they love will always make me happy.
@pikemand1410
Жыл бұрын
One thing I want to point out is that, while Wikipedia is an exceptional and important website, Wikimedia, the non-profit that operates it, is essentially a self-perpetuating grift-mill at this point and they VASTLY overstate the costs of keeping Wikipedia up and running. Last year, by Wikimedia's own numbers, less than FIVE PERCENT of their total income in donations was spent on the actual operation of Wikipedia and the costs required to keep it running (Servers, bandwidth, DDOS protection, etc.). The vast majority of the money they took in was spent on salaries for their workforce with has suspiciously ballooned to 400+ people despite nothing about Wikipedia actually substantially changing for a decade or more, there's no clear indication of what these hundreds of employees do or how they make Wikipedia better or why they're needed now when they weren't 10 years ago. It all just reeks of grift, people hiring their friends, managers hiring more people to manage to justify their own existence, etc. An organization with far more money than it needs for it's central purpose ballooning in size out of sheer, self-justified momentum. Despite that growth in no way meaningfully adding value to the thing the organization is supposed to be for. They also just give a ton of money away to other non-profits, many of which are fully partisan organizations who are fully engaged in the culture-war. Which seems pretty non-kosher to me since I'm sure a lot of people who donate to Wikipedia wouldn't be happy with knowing that that's where their money that they donated for the explicit purpose of upkeeping Wikipedia might end up. Obviously none of this detracts from the wonderful and selfless work of the thousands of Wikipedia contributors (Though some Wikipedia contributors and admins are in fact completely insufferable in that way you often see with people who volunteer for positions of petty authority online (See: Reddit powermods))
@tgm4723
Жыл бұрын
Ive been modding skyrim for a decade and i can honestly say to anyone who comes up with an idea about skyrim : "there's a mod for that!"
@lemonZzzzs
Жыл бұрын
I was modding for skyrim in 2011-2013 or so, because there *was* stuff I couldn't find mods for... I haven't really needed to mod for years now :D
@TheZectorian
Жыл бұрын
When I first saw the title I was like “ok that seems like a bit of a stretch”. Then I watched it and started thinking, “wait! That is actually the perfect example?!”
@vxicepickxv
Жыл бұрын
I think Wikipedia is a better example personally. Or Linux, or Open Office, etc
@vaxrvaxr
Жыл бұрын
Those are intellectual works produced by volunteer enthusiasts (or paid by foundations). Hardly comparable to basic needs produced by what is essentially forced labor.
@GusOfTheDorks
Жыл бұрын
Can you explaine it to me because Im halfway through and he's coming off more like a crazy person. Like as far as I can tell his argument seems to break down to "companies arent doing the thing I would like them to do. Modders are doing things I like but dont seem to charge me money. So socialism is legit." Which.......there are a ton of issues with that so I assume there is something im here Im not getting.
@TheZectorian
Жыл бұрын
@@GusOfTheDorks I think more fundamentally it is his point that when it comes to "products" that can be works of passion (be it science, art, technology, etc.) capatialist systems of expanding pure profits, tend to produce worse results than socialist systems as a result of incentives being misaligned and aligned respectively with quality. The point is that that message is often the opposite of what is assumed.
@GusOfTheDorks
Жыл бұрын
@@TheZectorian Honestly I dont think I would agree. I dont agree that these mods are better then Skyrim. But for the sake of argument lets say they are. I dont think this really proves the point. If Skyrim was our only example of this I would totally agree. But then you look out to the indie market and smaller devs and they produce some pretty high quality stuff for money. Like Isonzo. I'd say in alot of ways Isonzo rivals alot of AAA first person shooters. But it was still made for money.
@MrZauberelefant
Жыл бұрын
On copyrighting knowledge, I've once read a German novel from the 50s where the plot basically was: "old lady copyrights the alphabet and uses the money to create a Nazi style political movement" - basically a parody/alternate history of the Weimar Republic.
@yatosan3524
Жыл бұрын
What was it's name?
@ryansistryinghisbest
Жыл бұрын
I think what frustrates me the most is that the axioms of “free market” economics are valid and observable, but hardline capitalists myopically cling to the idea that the only kind of economic profit someone could want is fiscal profit. Human beings are incentive driven, but that incentive being the betterment of the people around you is just as likely as money to create efficient markets of choice. Unfettered, utopian capitalism poisons the well of meaningful freedom of choice
@99baking
Жыл бұрын
I would go even farther and say that 80-90% of programming is just fucking around lol
@dreadpiratelenny1348
Жыл бұрын
I used to make my own video games from scratch. I would download the engines, figure them out, and get to work! RPG, FPS, and racing games... whatever I felt like making. My friends were my beta testers and bug finders, and they always loved my games. After several years and thousands of hours, my friends started to ask me why I don't try to monetize all these great games I make. I was stunned, never even thought of that! I was just having fun! At no point did I consider profit, It was always just pure passion and a love for learning. The satisfaction of watching my friends play my games was good enough for me.
@vaxrvaxr
Жыл бұрын
Until you grow up and suddenly have to pay rent.
@xxCrapNamexx
Жыл бұрын
Do both, be the boss.
@silverhawkscape2677
Жыл бұрын
@@vaxrvaxr Exactly. There is Profit incentive because we all need the money.
@Puerco-Potter
Жыл бұрын
@@vaxrvaxr are you telling me that capitalism actually calls for less innovation and motivation? Color me surprised hahaha
@robertmasengale9366
Жыл бұрын
@@silverhawkscape2677 Only because our society makes the ability to live something behind a paywall.
@logsupermulti3921
Жыл бұрын
Another really good example is the success of opensource, there are tons and tons of applications and pieces of software that have benefited from community contribution and code transparency. I mean shit, Linux, the thing that runs 80% of the global internet back-end was started by one guy as a hobby project and has since had thousands upon thousands of people contribute to it and make it what it is today.
@schizophrenicgaming365
Жыл бұрын
Except most of them are side projects for proffessional programmers that usually make upwards of 60k
@vaxrvaxr
Жыл бұрын
Or contributed by the trillion dollar economy that depends on it.
@fraktaalimuoto
Жыл бұрын
@@schizophrenicgaming365 Quite many of us open source developers are academics. A lot of my work goes to open source code development, because open source is how you roll nowadays in academia where methodological openness and collaboration are the name of the game.
@jakubrogacz6829
Жыл бұрын
Except it's not socialism per se. Open source is merit based ideology and possibly impossible to recreate irl because merit is hard to measure irl.
@atlas_19
Жыл бұрын
@@vaxrvaxr Only after it benefits/becomes beneficial and/or so big they have to contribute. Also, the security and privacy of the project is ensured by many, many people which is as important and beneficial as contribution. So, not really.
@drarenthiralas1683
Жыл бұрын
Semi-popular mod author here (for Fallout: New Vegas, not Skyrim, but still). This is unbelievably based, and you should repeat it until everyone gets it, because unfortunately even in the modding community many people don't. I remember back when the Creation Club was introduced, you had a significant portion of the community on Nexus Mods (including many mod authors) going "but the profit incentive means people will make better mods". And nowadays, you have ostensibly left-leaning people all over twitter defending copyright to own the "tech bros".
@AngelSaintCloud
Ай бұрын
if you wasn't for you i would have had nothing to cope with after my grandmas death. you saved one more person than you thought you did
@williamharper6625
Жыл бұрын
Open source is another similar topic like Blender, Gimp, Krita, Inkscape and Linux. Also there is an open source version of minecraft. I would agree with you on the engineers and technicians that are working on rockets. Maybe for instrumental jobs people usually hate to do should be rotated.
@Condorito380
Жыл бұрын
The best thing I ever heard with regards to even 'bad' jobs in IT: there will always be that weirdo that actually enjoys making CD-ROM drivers.
@robertmasengale9366
Жыл бұрын
@@Condorito380 The Linux community proves that.
@Failzz8
Жыл бұрын
Nonono, the argument isn't that nobody would be doing anything, the argument is that the total mass of people will not be producing enough resources and services to maintain itself. On a completely voluntary basis, it may well be true that a lot of people will be doing their best work, but certain sectors would be neglected and the basic needs of the society as a whole wouldn't be met. My personal opinion is, at some point in the maybe near-ish future, we'll be able to automate all or at least enough of the processes to sustain a society, and at that point socialism would work and be preferable to capitalism, but until then it'll end in tragedy and catastrophe every single time. Worth mentioning though, with groups small enough to where everyone knows everyone else and by extension cares about them at least to a certain degree, socialism can work, it only becomes a problem once the group is too big.
@Rayzorbladez
Жыл бұрын
Oh he has mental gymnastics and insults to "prove" you wrong.
@JamesPHewitt
Жыл бұрын
No you don’t understand, we should just give everyone free stuff
@vaxrvaxr
Жыл бұрын
If the group is small enough for everyone to know each other, you don't have socialism. You don't have a state at all, you have a tribe.
@Lilliathi
Жыл бұрын
Well said. I guess this new wave of socialism comes from disillusionment with American corporatism and an increasing disconnect from the realities of life, especially by city dwellers.
@zacheryeckard3051
Жыл бұрын
We have more of that tech than you know. When you look at how much of our world is created purely to produce profit and then be thrown away, and consider how our current automation can be used to enhance the jobs that would need to be filled (if we focused our automation on easing the tasks of workers and not purely on making more profit) we'd have more volunteers. Utilizing more efficient work strategies (4 hour shifts, 4 day workweeks) we continue to reduce the barrier to volunteering for the task. Working for four hours a day where you have a comfy seat and a supportive work environment is a pretty small ask to live in a society that takes care of people.
@rectaalborween8471
Жыл бұрын
yeah no mate, socialism doesn't work just because some people put effort into their hobbies. The workers at bethesda dont do as much work as the modders because they hate their job, but do it to support their hobbies. The modders probably have a job they hate that they have to do to support their passion for modding. Now what happens when you take a modder and tell him "go ahead work 9-5 making mods for people"? He'll turn into a bethesda dev
@snardigan2026
Жыл бұрын
Indeed
@maudley
Жыл бұрын
Or just set up infrastructure to make the essentials of living free and watch them continue to work without being told
@rectaalborween8471
Жыл бұрын
@@maudley I too yearn for a post scarcity world. But ours isn't quite there yet. Even *if* (and considering the state of most of the world) IF the bare essentials for living are met, people will need more... Health insurance, higher quality of life, a guarantee that if an earthquake hits you'll still have enough savings to rebuild your previous lifestyle.
@maudley
Жыл бұрын
@@rectaalborween8471 @Recta'al borween @Recta'al borween @Recta'al borween @Recta'al borween @Recta'al borween part of why we aren't there yet is artificial scarcity. Insold products like new cars and laptops are disposed of to maintain supply and demand and keep prices profitable. We aren't getting there with money hungry corporations at the wheel. It would be hard to convince me that healthcare isn't an important human right and all that. Higher quality of life in my experience does not truly come from the materialism capitalism seems to encourage, and in fact I would love products that weren't designed explicitly to break. The earthquake bit, I'm having a bit more trouble pinpointing what I don't like about it. If housing is a human right too, then it shouldn't be too hard to get that back unless you wanted something extravagant, but that should be attainable as well. With no investors to siphon profits and a more democratized workplace, ideally the average person should have an easier time with that. But I think I've tracked down what I dislike about it, and that's it's fully grounded in the idea that socialism causes poverty. I can't fully address that without going into a really lengthy discussion I don't particularly feel like at the moment, but surely you could agree we could move at least some degree towards socialism and enjoy some of the benefits parts of Europe enjoy for adopting only some socialist policies? Like, right now America is a place where you can be financially ruined by a medical bill for something simple. And there's a few more thoughts I've had on it, but in the interest of getting this out, here it is. Not saying I have all the answers, but...
@rectaalborween8471
Жыл бұрын
@@maudley Of course a mixed economy plan is the best. What certain mix weighing in one end or the other i won't discuss because politics annoy me. But i will talk about common sense: Full-blown socialism is fucking HORRIBLE, equally or even moreso than full blown capitalism. Ask anyone coming from an ex-soviet state like mine and they'll tell you it never ends well
@authorindisguise5173
Жыл бұрын
Now you're speaking my language.
@femboisterous_bigit
Жыл бұрын
Someday, I'll play Skyrim again been building that modlist for like half a decade
@logsupermulti3921
Жыл бұрын
Being able to play the Aldrnari modlist is my only reason for wanting to upgrade my GPU.
@apocalypselemon2209
Жыл бұрын
Skyrim is a bad example of this concept. Close, but it’s extremely well known that Skyrim modding is effectively an industry resume and only the most successful patreon types don’t use it that way. Less visibility is less financial incentive so Skyrim is about as bad an example as you can find. You’re not wrong, just a bad example.
@jronet6273
Жыл бұрын
I can't believe people think this. of course someone who is into or studied game design or wants to make there own games would be into modding , but to think you going to impress and a game studio by telling them you can use the creation kit you would be laughed out of the interview its like saying your a doctor cause you played the operation board game. I mean if this is true wouldn't people make mods that look good on a resume instead of things like "dragon fart noises" or "thomas the tank engine dungeon" or the 1 million big breasted followers Out of the close to 700k mods on the nexus alone like 1 guy got hired by bungie and it wasn't like bungie contacted him he applied to a lot of companies and simply got hired by bungie.
@TwoSevenX
Жыл бұрын
Your example of an example is what is bad. You're not even in right zip code much less correct castle. Also your helmet in on backwards.
@GusOfTheDorks
Жыл бұрын
@@jronet6273 Yes, it is in fact viable. If I am going to hire someone to perform any task for my buisness, any form of extra experience on a resume will make them look more desirable then someone without it. If I have two candidates for a coding job and they both look relatively the same except one made a bunch of super popular mods and one didnt, I am going to be more likely to hire them. Just like Im going to be more likely to hire the mechanic who restores cars for fun, just like Im going to be more likely to hire the cook who made meals for fun, just like Im going to be more likely to hire the photographer who photographed alot of birds for fun. Paddin a resume is a very simple concept to understand.
@apocalypselemon2209
Жыл бұрын
@@jronet6273 Right but “what mods have you made and how many users or how successful were they?” Is a real question you’re likely to receive. Remember that working within a game engine with in house development tools is exactly what you will be doing in the industry. Obviously meme mods aren’t what we’re talking about and it’s incredibly dishonest to imply that. Meme mods are the exception not the rule. Visual overhauls, custom models, quest mods, map mods, etc… this isn’t a joke or a reach. This is a real thing and developers do reach out to successful molders. Edit: As we speak both Bethesda and CD project red are openly recruiting their modding community for upcoming titles.
@robertmasengale9366
Жыл бұрын
@@apocalypselemon2209 They know that modders can be really good for their game, that some members of their game's modding community understand their system better than they do, and that they can lock all mods that that user makes down under a paywall if they recruit them, making profit off of their ideas through non-competes and NDA's... And modders don't do it for the "experience, money, and recognition." They do it for the love of creating something that they want to see in that game or that others want to see in that game. The idea of getting paid to do something that you are already doing for free is its own thing, but they would be doing it regardless.
@PokettoMusic
Жыл бұрын
people dont become rocket engineers because they think it'd make them rich, they do it because they like explosions
@brandonbackup873
Жыл бұрын
And of every job was cool like that, it might work. Now find the guys willing to run your sewage systems by choice. They might exist, but you won't have enough of them, because for most folks, if you don't have to do something unpleasant, you won't.
@maudley
Жыл бұрын
@@brandonbackup873 and no one would be interested in thinking outside the box, like designing robots to clean the sewers, or redesigning them from the ground up (figuratively)
@99baking
Жыл бұрын
@@brandonbackup873 as if there isn't a whole community of nerds that are obsessed with sanitation technology (there is)
@johncasey9544
Жыл бұрын
@@maudley You do realize that those things are already driven by the profit motive right? Capitalism loves putting workers out of work with automation because then the owners can take a bigger slice of the gross. I fucking guarantee there will be sewer cleaning robots the second it's cheaper than real workers, and that the only reason there aren't already is because the tech isn't quite there yet.
@99baking
Жыл бұрын
@@johncasey9544 was just a joke my guy
@masscreationbroadcasts
Жыл бұрын
3:28 I never heard anyone ever say "stuff only gets done because of the profit incentive", unless it was a "Muh..." From Socialists. What I heard was that a lot less would get done and a lot slower without it, that yes, but not that.
@RC--ji2ov
Жыл бұрын
lord knows no one would work in factories, fast food, amazon warehouses lol.
@Taliesin2
Жыл бұрын
Which is still "source: dude just trust me" but also would be absolutely fine if it were true.
@masscreationbroadcasts
Жыл бұрын
@@RC--ji2ov or coal mines. Who would work in coal mines or petroleum rigs if they weren't paid absurdly high compared to the average salary (the average is 100k a year) ?
@TheNarrator6020
Жыл бұрын
@@masscreationbroadcasts I think you have a misunderstanding of socialism. Socialism isn't when everyone is paid the same. It is worked ownership of the means of production. So in the case of the coal and oil workers they would be paid MORE because they no longer have someone taking a cut of their profits (or at least significantly smaller cut)
@masscreationbroadcasts
Жыл бұрын
@@TheNarrator6020 someone objecting to the profit motive implies the elimination of profit, so you saying worker ownership would make them be paid more is a stronger profit incentive.
@CrimsonClowd
2 ай бұрын
The Celeste mod: Strawberry Jam was released a bit over a year ago after (unpaid) contributions from 350+ people over 2 years went into it, and it rivals the base game in quality and outperforms on playtime (both playthrough and 100%), im still playing through it after 300 hours and enjoying every second.
@UncreativePontiff
Жыл бұрын
As a skyrim modder, no, what the hell are you talking about. Not only do most collaborative mod projects fail to get off the ground or get indefinitely postponed, but the assumption that the amount of work that _any_ mod author makes is in any way, shape or form even comparable to a fraction of the total sum of all effort put into professional game design is genuinely absurd. You CAN disagree with the design decisions that bethesda ultimately made with skyrim, but you cannot seriously tell me that even if the entire modding community banded together to remake Skyrim on their own terms that it would turn out even semi-decent, or in a reasonable time frame (New Frontier). To say that the quality of mods is high due to the communal effort of modders as a collective is only a quarter of the truth, with the rest being omission. Modding is good because of the sheer variety of it, it is valuable due to the effort of modders at the individual level, if there's something you want in a game, there's probably an individual mod providing it, not necessarily because of collective effort, but because some random mod author thought it'd be cool. And then you know, there's the whole ridiculousness of comparing a hobby done by people during their leasure time for fun (or to fill their portfolio, lol there goes the "No profit incentive") to a failed economic system thats been implemented dozens of times worldwide and consistently met disaster. In the real world, labour has deadlines, quality assurance, supply quotas, consequences for people's livelihoods and lifestyles, regardless of whether its capitalism or socialism, and having been around this community for a while let me tell you, everytime a mod author or group of modders announced a release date for their big project, they failed to deliver it in time.
@maudley
Жыл бұрын
Ayy, been thinking along these lines for a while now. Glad to see someone with a platform doing it justice!
@JustSomeWeirdo
Жыл бұрын
I want a profit incentive
@robertmasengale9366
Жыл бұрын
Best you can hope for is likely just a reasonably highly paid job where someone else is extracting profit from your labor.
@darkranger116
Жыл бұрын
Yes thank you for this! I've been making the argument that not only is the Speedrunning community a perfect example of socialist/communist ideology in practice, but also the modding video game community in reference to the AAA industry
@jondw
Жыл бұрын
another example of the whole doing it for profit issue is the whole nonsense that surrounded one company absorbing another a bit ago(sorry I don't remember which[who owns HBO cause I'm pretty sure their streaming service{the bajillion of which is another example} is the one involved]) and due to profit reasons, a bunch of shows were just dropped, everything was already made, they brought people in. But because some capitalistic nonsense, the only legal way to view them went poof. plus the whole fact that it seems every show creator for Disney seems to actively hate Disney and often openly advocate for pirating their shows
@Hobbamok
Жыл бұрын
I'm playing Rimworld and, damn, Steam won the battle here. And everyone with a non-Steam game is screwed and needs a couple of extra steps, because a lot of Modders only release via Steam Workshop :/
@ains2904
Жыл бұрын
Anyone who has the strict profit motiv idea should not be allowed to have kids.
@AofCastle
Жыл бұрын
For some reason the titles of the videos make me not want to watch them, but then I actually do watch them and enjoy the narration (and mostly agree with what's being said)
@chimarvarmidium1425
Жыл бұрын
A big problem with paid mods was the ultraliberal nightmare of adding money to something that was deeply unregulated. So for example, right away people were just ripping off other mods and selling it as their own, and the grey area between where related mods by different authors work to make a whole also muddied the waters. It basically turned modding into current mobile gaming, and modders fucking hated it for that. Its like someone stealing your private doodle collection and making money off it. You weren't planning on ever selling em, but the fact someone else stole it and did make money fills you with righteous fury. The ecosystem kinda only works *because* passion is the key component. The only way to add money into the equation without fucking it all up appears to be indirectly.
@fallingfloor6924
Жыл бұрын
Skyrim mods are only possible due to the fact Capitalism meets all the needs of modders to the point where they can dedicate time to recreational work. Every socialist country eventually fails or like China, adopt capitalist functions to mitigate their inefficiency. Venezuela doesn't have skyrim modders because basic needs are not met. Art and leisure are products of prosperity.
@zacheryeckard3051
Жыл бұрын
Uh... no. Everything you just said is wrong. Every word. Venezuela isn't Socialist and China never was, for instance. Plenty of modders are poor or young, often in school/college.
@NIL0S
Жыл бұрын
On my other account I make TTRPG actual play content. 3 hours of recorded play take me about 9 hours of editing and publishing, not even counting the prep work for running the actual game. I do this for the simple passion of playing, offering play and sharing my groups games and stories. In all that time, I got nowhere the monetary compensation I would've if I used that same time doing overtime at my dayjob. But know what? I value the time spent on the channel a lot more than the fruits of my actual real life work career.
@Beatle1283
Жыл бұрын
Socialism only works for a miniscule scale, as judged by dozens of times tried in real life. Large scale socialism always turns into communism. Now social programs are something completely different.
@DigiThorn
Жыл бұрын
This yes, primary reason I’m still on the side of capitalism, despite agree more often with what socialists say on the regular (at lest on the subject of society)
@Pro_K.R.
11 ай бұрын
"...from the IKEA in Rorikstead." that made me laugh , and it keeps making me laugh
@insaeo
Жыл бұрын
I would love if you did a video showing how fucking amazing Wikipedia is and why we need to remove the stigma surrounding it
@Chrisspru
Жыл бұрын
free trade, in the agorist sense, is a very efficient methode to get things running well enough to leave time for social endeavours like modding. a blind market on the other hand may start free, but eventualy becomes a corporate feudalist system full of inefficiency. a market can only be free when there is no going above or falling out of it. a working free market, with non coersive competition for betterment, requires a socialist framework for that reason.
@propoppop9866
4 ай бұрын
To be fair the reason modders can make quicker than companies manhour wise is quite complex 1. Modders are not held to a similar standard of quality, asset reuse is much more expected and people will overlook things being rough around the edges or poorly designed/balanced. This isnt to say modders make worse content many rise to the challange of making professional grade content, just look at the beyond skyrim team or the skyblivion team. Some even suppass the base game quality wise for example fallout 4 sim settlements. 2. Modders are (normally) indivudals with no need to communciate. This just genrally make making anything quicker as theres no need to spend time delligating tasks or communicating what you want. It also often makes slight consessions in vison to make it much easier to implement more likely. 3. With skyrim mods are unencrypted and uncompiled (bar creationclub and dlcs) meaning you can rather trivally open them up in the creation kit and see how they do what they do. So a newcommer has resources galore to educate themselves makign getting into modding difficukt but quite doable especially by those with only minimal knowlage of programming. 4. The modding community is pretty focoused in skyrim, fallout 4 and minecraft as a whole Also i wouldnt call it solicalist more so the state of nature. The common foundational mods are soemthing you install because a mod you want told you too and if it breaks something you throw it out with the original mod too.
@Rayzorbladez
Жыл бұрын
Nobody wants to be a garbage man or a sewage technician.
@Rayzorbladez
Жыл бұрын
@Immortal Science of Hauntology I meant a sewage technician. Someone who works in a sewage processing plant. Nobody would do that job for free.
@ShadeBoi
Жыл бұрын
40:28
@vxicepickxv
Жыл бұрын
You mean I can help people AND stay away from them? Sounds like a win, win. The jobs don't pay as much as what I do now, so there's less incentive to do those jobs than my current job.
@Rayzorbladez
Жыл бұрын
@@ShadeBoi yeah I saw his insulting mental gymnastics about his ignorant point.
@Lilliathi
Жыл бұрын
@Immortal Science of Hauntology Define socialism. It's such a wide ideology, the ends of it can't even see each other.
@gungermunggung9299
Жыл бұрын
Im generally a capitalist pigdog, more on the social democrat side of things. I don't think that people do things purely for money, I think people want to do things they are passionate about, but I cant imagine anyone turning down being paid for it, unless they have some real staunch principles about it. Not to mention a lot of modding talent gets picked up by studios in order to work professionally in development, so there's actually a career path to be found there. Games I'd recommend for modding fun, Rimworld (colony management game, you get very invested in your colonists, you can mod it to be a medieval fantasy village, or a total science fiction dystopia), Factorio (automation game that is intensely challenging and satisfying, space exploration and krastorio mods are fantastic). Both are made by smaller studios who have a lot of love and passion for their work, I am glad capitalism has rewarded them for their creativity.
@krkngd-wn6xj
11 ай бұрын
I am one of those programmers in the comment section. I work for a very big corporation you probably never heard of, but if live in Europe or Asia, you have most likely used one of our products, or a service that relies on one of our products. It is horrid. I chose to become a programmer in part because it is one of those fields where very often, you can 100% prove who is correct. If we disagree on which algorithm would solve the problem better, you code up yours, I code up mine, and we can literally measure which is faster. It's not always that simple, but still, there is very often a case where which of us has more years of experience, is loved more by management, or has better people skills doesn't really matter, cause we can measure who is right. At least that's what you'd think. There have been so many times when I had to do something I knew was dumb, and we'd have to change it later, because a manager who has never written a line of code in their life decided it would be a good idea, and pushed it through without even asking the client. This is the type of thing that is much more rare in open source projects, and part of the reason those are often vastly superior products. (nevermind that they also have no spyware, as opposed to a lot of payed software) And before someone comes at me with "muh profit incentive", find me a mega corporation that doesn't have dumb inefficiencies due to incompetent middle management. You can't. Clearly the profit incentive is not big enough to eliminate those, when at least for software, open source development practices massively curtails these problems.
@trotskyeraumpicareta4178
Жыл бұрын
One of the best games I ever played was Gekokujo. Not Mount and Blade: Warband, but Gekokujo (the Japan mod for M&B: Warband). Rhodocks? Don't care for them, too boring. Mods are an amazing way of improving games. I won't shit on the devs for Warband, they are cool and they not only made a great game, which was base for an even greater game (the Gekokujo mod, combined with a bunch of other mods that only made the experience better), but it is obvious that modders without profiting from it made almost the same effort -if not the same - to make a game as them. And the fact that the devs themselves made a beautiful broken Viking Conquest DLC for the game after they made some money out of it shows how, if they had more economical conditions, they would have made even more for their own game, regardless of if these conditions came from profit. In a socialist society, more games like M&B and all of its mods, and probably with even better quality, would be made without the risk of anyone being punished with economical hardships and burnout for it.
@chaskaconcar-tavares1358
Жыл бұрын
People have always worked on passion projects for free, just because there are things out there that take alot of work, contribute something to society and there is no direct profit for it dosnt mean socialism works. A great example is youtube creators, there are millions of people who make amazing high quality content without the thought of profit, most top youtuber's today started out with that not being a thought. However the profit is what allowed them to take it on as a full time job and it is something they enjoyed. However these kind of arguments dont work when a job is just not enjoyable but necessary. Such as sewage, manual labour, factory work, retail, plumbers, store clerks and so on. People will be highly productive when they are passionate about their job yes that is true, however you can't convince enough people to 'just be passionate' about shitty jobs that we need done, that is where profit and money comes in. When you tell a plumber "We will give you this large sum of money to do this nasty job because few people will, this will give you more room to buy nice things than other people in potentially more comfortable jobs" it is a much greater incentive. That's just how humans work, we want to have nice things, we want to do fun things and we want to have pride in the work we do, however when you cant balance all 3, if one is at 75% to make the other at 25% that's okay. That's how humans become okay with things again. Capitalism works, is it perfect? No, governments make sure of that. But its the best we have and damn well will have for a long time.
@vaxrvaxr
Жыл бұрын
This. It's nice you produced a mod. Now produce a mod by a certain deadline containing something you don't care about while pretending you do. And don't slack on the quality if you want to keep producing them.
@darksnakenerdmaster
Жыл бұрын
"Software making is just like bug hunting" *Desire to know more intensifies*
@jamesdoyle6914
11 ай бұрын
You gotta take a look at a game like Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead. A completely community made game, as far as I know, and it's all open source. No one really knows how or why it works. A lot of the time it doesn't, but the community maintains a stable version that can be downloaded and played for free. naturally, all the official devs also have highly unstable pet projects, add-ons, and mods. It's a fascinating community and phenomenon. And it's a pretty fun game, if you can get past the very bare-bones graphics and extremely complex simulation depth. I recommend Vormithrax and Rycon as good vids to watch and learn how to survive.
@trentonrobinson2491
Жыл бұрын
I can't count the amount of times I reloaded skyrim, because there was something new added.
@robertmasengale9366
Жыл бұрын
I actually wrote a mod for 7 days to die to expand twitch integration, but my attempts to monetize it (by streaming myself) proved that I don't like streaming and that I wasn't going to make money off of the mod. I just enjoy making the mod and watching the results on streams. (I'm also an anarcho-socialist/market-socialist.) I'm also working on that mod again and expanding my intention with it.
@Morvelaira
Жыл бұрын
I've been part of the modded Minecraft scene for over a decade now, and I co-sign everything in this video. In fact, not only do modders make so many cool things for free, we often have to fight the capitalists for the right to do so. It's... so messed up in a lot of ways.
@AngelSaintCloud
Ай бұрын
not an IT worker but when it comes to working with my linux systems I have zero knowledge but I know magic and work to form it. its like building out and building in or starting with he roof and then the frame
@guitarchim
Жыл бұрын
Did Hakim help you change your mind?
@snardigan2026
Жыл бұрын
hobbies =/= jobs
@johncasey9544
Жыл бұрын
i mean they should be as much as possible though
@thebronzemanticore
Жыл бұрын
I find it worrying when people think that doping something you love somehow goes against a system of free trade and individual rights.
@sookendestroy1
Жыл бұрын
As a modder this is dank
@robertmasengale9366
Жыл бұрын
Same.
@asturias0267
Жыл бұрын
Have you seen the creation club content in Anniversary edition? It's so low quality. I can't imagine paying for a mod, let alone ones that add so little and do it so poorly.
@katenc.3112
Жыл бұрын
This isn't that relevant to the video but good god thank you for finally telling me what mod it is that makes all the skyrim women look like that. I've never used mods so when I've watched some of the bigger skyrim youtubers and the women are breasting boobily everywhere in their videos I've been like ???? is this part of a mod pack or do they want skyrim to be full of barbie girls?? Thank you for giving me peace
@filuo9058
Жыл бұрын
Damn! I don't want to make anyone cry but his voice makes me think so much of total biscuit !
@99baking
Жыл бұрын
My boss has easily, *EASILY*, stolen thousands of dollars from me this year. And that's not even counting the surplus value he extracts from me in the first place
@imxluke
Жыл бұрын
I came here from Hakim’s old video on one of your videos. I love the anti-capitalism. this kind of sentiment needs to be shared amongst everyone. i am a communist (probably; i havent read enough to really know), but i will support most anti capitalist stuff as long as it isnt anti communist. anti communism only serves the ruling class and has no place in society. criticism of previous and current communist nations is what we need.
@mossy3565
Жыл бұрын
Well, this was an odd one... Good job!
@mayonnaisewithbacon6099
Жыл бұрын
I know I'm late but... The people who say other people will only work and create when there's a monetary reward crack me up cause like... Fanfiction author's, mod creators, volunteers, worldbuilders, Pizza Hut workers who?
@johncasey9544
Жыл бұрын
I hope nobody is dumb enough to make that argument, but there's a pretty close argument that's really valid, which is that if there's no monetary reward then a lot of jobs won't get done.
@robertmasengale9366
Жыл бұрын
@@johncasey9544 I've seen that specific argument made by many people on the far right, particularly by Libertarians.
@johncasey9544
Жыл бұрын
@@robertmasengale9366 I think that many far right libertarians are stupid, but I also think many of them mean the second version of the argument, where their point is that things like waste management or sewer cleaning wouldn't get done without money.
@Happyisboss
Жыл бұрын
Been saying this for years, amen brother
@DisplayLine6.13.9
Жыл бұрын
Surprisingly good video. The name and thumbnail didn't exactly made me want to click it. But I'm glad I did. You can't buy valve stocks, they aren't on the stock market, tried when I found out about the steam deck which BTW uses a Linux distro as its operating system. Speaking of Linux that's a whole operating system that's free and only funded by donations and mostly created by volunteer contributions. Runs most of the web servers in the world. Which speaking of the internet a lot of the protocols and code that makes it possible is free and open source. Which it's not just free and open source a lot of this stuff is licensed specifically to not be copyrightable with stuff like the The GNU General Public License. Like if you use this code in your project your project has to also be FLOSS. It's like the share alike on the Creative Commons license. Surprised you didn't also mention Tesla when speaking about the inventors.
@rebelfriend5172
Жыл бұрын
I disagreed until the end and you addressed my main criticism. Good job keep up the good work
@HRZN-xj9um
Жыл бұрын
Capitalism was good in a time of limited information and limited capabilities. Not perfect, but better than alternatives. It incentivized competition, even in the most centralized of systems. But the human landscape has changed and forced competition no longer works. Forced labor no longer works. Now the only thing people are willing to do in a high performance capacity are the things they want to do.
@vxicepickxv
Жыл бұрын
Now I have the urge to uninstall and then install Skyrim.
@Caligator89
7 ай бұрын
@4:00 yea uh... I know I'm late to the party here but this is sorta my background here and I felt like I needed to say something? a lot of modern modding is compelled by prestige culture and the hope that this skill can be used for a portfolio to make actual money rather than 'hey I'm making this for fun.' there is a very very gross and perverse financial incentive to a lot of other modding, particularly minecraft's, where curseforge has most every MC mod & pack dev knifing one another over clout and itchy and scratchy bucks. its... its honestly pretty gross, and sadly this core fact sorta undermines this big point here. it can maybe be argued that it wasnt this in the past, but even back then you had people still hustling the scene trying to get paid for clicks. there *was* quite a few enthusiasts still though, or just coders who were pissed enough that they *had* to fix something. *** as to the involvement of game owners monetizing mods: unless its being hosted by the mod dev themselves, theyre spending capital on maintenence, hosting space, electricity for op, and the paycheck & benifits for the security guard of the server room, the IT man, the coders maintaining the storefront, and the QA team who make sure the mods being uploaded are not something that will brick someones computer. them getting their beak wet for 2 bucks skimmed off the top is what that money goes to. Like I despise myself for defending capitalism but, this is sorta a faulty sandy shore to build your argumentative castle on hommie. like theres all kinds of op fees and tax & other horse shit that comes out of the devs pockets when youre servicing a biff-mchugelorge sized audience. :c I love that hobby horse guys exist that *can make this stuff*. its great, but theres also realities to distro and system logistics that cant be ignored?
@Thyrork
Жыл бұрын
I'm curious if anyone has recommended Enderal to you, might make for your next fix perhaps?
@aryantiwari1945
Жыл бұрын
I know many people like Nicolas Lietzau who worked on enderal and got a job at THQ Nordic.
@TheAcquisitioner
Жыл бұрын
I think you're mixing up corporatism with capitalism
@lalauniversalis9999
Жыл бұрын
as if anyone these days can tell the difference, right?
@Frostyviewer
8 ай бұрын
Deep rock galactic modding is a thing for sure
@sookendestroy1
Жыл бұрын
It's funny as conservatives are really pushing to tear down wikipedia lately.
@jonaskoelker
Жыл бұрын
> 41:10 the thesis that was addressed here was that people will do great things only for profit incentive. Hm. In that case I would like to raise a few points: - In my opinion you buried the lede at basically the end of the video-it was not at all clear to me that this was your main point until you spelled it out. - The title is misleading. Demonstrating that people will do at least one great thing without acting on their profit incentives is not the same thing as demonstrating that socialism works-unless the definition of socialism is "an economic system in which at least one great thing is done for reasons other than the profit incentive", in which case at least one of "private ownership of the means of production" and "the current economic system" is socialist, since at least one of these is an accurate description of the context in which a great thing happened but not for profit, per _your_ argument. - I have not heard anyone who favors private ownership of the means of production and free enterprise (i.e. capitalism, in my book) claim that great things are _only ever_ done based on the profit motive. This doesn't mean such people and claims do not exist, but I'd like to see one. Does anyone know where I can see such a person say such a thing?
@aryantiwari1945
Жыл бұрын
Hey man you thinking about playing Beyond Reach? Ive heard it's comparable to enderal in terms of quality, maybe not as good and a lot shorter.
@goosewithagibus
8 ай бұрын
"Nobody would do anything without profit incentives" By brother in Talos, why did people do stuff before profit incentives existed????
@victormeunier9075
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for mentioning wikipedia.
@SteppefordWife
Жыл бұрын
I think the whole "people need a monetary incentive to work" is harmful in how pervasive it is. Especially with regards to education systems in countries such as the UK and US (though likely quite a few others as well). Gold stars and even prizes (if the school somehow had the budget for more than a couple replacement red coloring pens a year) for doing the bare minimum of regurgitating information trivializes the task itself undertaken to obtain that reward. I.e. you're doing it for the reward and not because you actually like, want to do or are engaging in the task at all. Ironically disincentivizing that you learn and understand the knowledge attempting to be taught. And sure, we aren't going to find every school subject enjoyable no matter how interactive the teachers attempt to make it, but when the promise of a good grade relies largely on the mass memorization and regurgitation of information without any psychological mechanism driving you to actually want to remember it (the people who remember the most after exams end are NOT the people who give a damn about grades and gold stars, but those who are genuinely passionate about the subject the exam was meant to measure your understanding of), you are not being educated - you are being conditioned to work for a carrot dangling from a stick. It is already well known that the persistent model of schooling is designed to mold each generation into a new generation of factory-style workers (even as many countries shift their economies to be service based instead of manufacturing based) and that many subjects feel outdated in their content and approach. Personally, if I could choose what was taught in schools then a lot more "advanced" topics in biology and chemistry would be introduced earlier. The problem with how abstract and dumbed-down a lot of concepts are for children is that those abstracts are both often demonstrably inaccurate (to the detriment of the child's understanding of a concept) (and usually under the frankly insulting belief that children are inherently stupid and incapable beings, rather than simply inexperienced and developing) and they are very very boring to learn. I don't know about you, but physics was 90% "Look, a ball bounces - isn't that cool?!" up until about year 10. It wasn't until I stumbled across the concept of stem cells at about age 11 that I really started to engage with science as a whole, because I was invested in fulfilling the stepping stones to get me to the point where I can use them to make cool biomaterials. If you keep feeding children understimulating information with seemingly no purpose, they have no reason to engage with it. Plus, defining ability by grades establishes to those that may get lower grades that the more interesting knowledge and skills they could learn are out of reach / an impossibility - which is almost certainly untrue. I mean, it wasn't me and the other "smart kids'" intellectual ability that allowed us to approach more "complicated" topics; it was those complicated topics that interested us that facilitated our greater engagement with an otherwise demoralisingly boring education system. What makes me so happy is seeing those around me find their passions or think about things differently after I try to help them realise that they are neither stupid or less able just because they didn't get an A* in school. This derailed more than expected, sorry. ^^' Basically, I wish people would stop thinking incentives drive output better than passion and would stop restricting knowledge and expertise based on assumed ability.
@ICEknightnine
Жыл бұрын
It's because money only attracts people who are only in it for the money. So if you own a product and you value art, only hire people who are passionate about the project and fire people who aren't I guess. Stop trying to achieve the most profit and start treating money as something to be invested back into your product. Value the product before the money, don't take loans from investors.
@hoominbeeing
Жыл бұрын
6:33 First off, socialism does not presuppose social safety nets, nor does capitalism. There is not reason to assume social safety nets would take care of everything in a socialist system. Secondly, someone soliciting donations to produce something is always going to be worse off than someone just being hired by a company. Your donators are not obligated to dole out any severance pay or health insurance. If everyone is relying on donations in a socialist society, then that society is doomed to fail. Somehow, in favour of socialism, you presented an even worse argument for it than most strawmen that capitalists make. That is an accomplishment.
@kredonystus7768
Жыл бұрын
It's true that impressive and loving creative art will be done without monetary incentives but the boring and hard shit like farming, and roadworks, and building houses does not get done without profit because it sucks.
@robertmasengale9366
Жыл бұрын
People doing it for pay is one thing. Doing something for a paycheck isn't doing it for profit. Keeping the ability to do it for pay behind a wall because the cost of the equipment is expensive and unavailable to the masses and is held only by those who are already wealthy, so you can charge whatever you want and will pay your employees as little as you can afford to get away with in order to make money off of their labor is doing it for profit. The workers are literally being robbed of the fruit of their labor by their employers to the tune of trillions of dollars per year... Because if your labor wasn't worth significantly more than you are paid by the owner of your company, they wouldn't pay you for your labor. Remove the profit incentive by removing the billionaires and even the concept of rent-seeking and you end up with everyone (except those billionaire exploiters) making more money. Besides, plenty of people like hard shit like farming, making roads, and building houses. A lot of people only seek jobs in things like IT because it pays the bills well enough to almost feel like you are thriving.
@i8dacookies890
Жыл бұрын
Is it just me, or does anyone else thing the dude in the thumbnail kinda looks ai generated?
@josecoronadonieto6911
3 ай бұрын
"Vampire hyenas" WoD based?
@sulimanthemagnificent4893
Жыл бұрын
"The only reason people create/ do things is profit" I mean, yes but not "just" specifically material profit, every action we have has a positive intention, game companies charge for games to make money (that should be going to their employees), modders don't because their motive for doing the action isn't material profit.
@maudley
Жыл бұрын
And in that case socialism relies on all those other means of profit rather than none
@99baking
Жыл бұрын
Profit doesn't mean any kind of positive return, profit is a very specific thing. Profit necessarily includes surplus value extraction
@sulimanthemagnificent4893
Жыл бұрын
@@99baking No, at least I think so. Think of the foundations of our behaviour, everything we do (almost) always originates with a positive intention for ourselves, even the behaviors we consciously object to. Sometimes that's thrown to the way side, it is after all the only reason we have any society, because some of us are willing to abandon (at least partially) our selfish nature. Profit (to me anyway) doesn't have anything to do with surplus value, profit refers to benefits gained from anything done/involved in. I can (potentially) profit, be it immaterially, from reading the wisdom of scholars as much as I materially profit from owning a gold mine, sure it's not exactly "equal" in gain, but the point is, gain can be had anywhere and in any form, to reduce it to mere material things, I think, is not a wise outlook.
@99baking
Жыл бұрын
@@sulimanthemagnificent4893 I get what you're saying but I'm specifically talking about the Marxist definition of profit, which is what burger here is referring to
@sulimanthemagnificent4893
Жыл бұрын
@@99baking Fair enough, but I'll just say this. We all have different interpretations of different things, our perceptions are our realities after all, it's the old "words distort reality" thing.
@serecano104
Жыл бұрын
Has this man heard about open source software? EDIT: seems like it
@DahVoozel
Жыл бұрын
Minecraft is the perfect example of how a lack of scarcity leads to distribution due to need and more productivity. On the modded server i played on, I could have spend hours building the machines to make a specific block I needed. Instead one of my neighbors just gave me one and I built a nuclear reactor for my area and anyone else who needed power.
@pe3er
Жыл бұрын
intelectual property isnt property,, ancap 101, it has nothing to do with capitalism,, it has to do with the state however.
@Cubannerd
Жыл бұрын
By contrast. In a socialist society these type of games will not be produced at all while people with a capitalist mindset will try to come up with creative ways to survive.
@DigiThorn
Жыл бұрын
Based
@vervet0112
Жыл бұрын
Video bump
@GusOfTheDorks
Жыл бұрын
This is such a bizzare argument for socialism. So, people like to mod games to do stuff like add content and make digital women look like sex dolls, and because they do it for fun, socialism works? I feel like there's more then a handfull to steps between the two missing. And your mad because there are microtransactions in AAA games. Which is only a major issue if you ignore the indie market. And part of the problem is that Microsoft and Bethesda got paid for making Minecraft and Skyrim. And that they then haven't? Made Skyrim better with the money? Haven't modded their own product with the money they made? Im not really clear what the issue is here. You dont have to play skyrim forever, just like Bethesda has no obligation to make more skyrim. This isnt even a problem socialism would solve unless you want to force them to make more. Like, there are other game studios. People other then Bethesda have made fantasy games. It isnt Skyrim or nothing. Its nice that you like skyrim but if no one wants to make skyrim 2.0, no one is required to. Like putting aside personal politics I Legitimately do not understand the problem we are trying to get at here.
@DisplayLine6.13.9
Жыл бұрын
You don't know mods much. There are total conversions developed for a years and years that eclipse the original game in scope, map size, complexity and general quality of everything from quests to story to sound design and graphics. This isn't about making digital woman sexier. Those people make AAA games, which completely overshadow the actual game market for free. The issue in the second part is more a comparison of how companies are inefficient with the resources they are given. Like if you were to give those kind of resources to the modders you would get the entirety of Nirn as a squeal.
@GusOfTheDorks
Жыл бұрын
@@DisplayLine6.13.9 That seems like a pretty big assumption that giving modders the same resources as the company that made the game that you would get a bigger sequel. Or even a sequel at all at that. Or honestly even a video game. Or the assumption that companies are inefficient with resources. That's part of why this video is kinda confusing. I'm not sure what he thinks the companies are doing with the money they make from the video game they made, but realistically it doesn't all sit around in their bank account. If all the money they made from selling skyrim was just there and waiting to be spent then I could see being upset at a lack of expansion in business and quality, but realistically a majority of that money is immediately used to pay the development cost of the game they just made via paying off the loans they took out to fund the game. Part of the problem is we dont actually know what the motivation of the modders who make alot of this stuff really is.
@DisplayLine6.13.9
Жыл бұрын
@@GusOfTheDorks It's not an assumption it's an observation. They already are doing better content than the actual developers, even without having equal resources. As for companies wasting resources. I mean you have been given an example in the video with minecraft. But ok. A lot of the profit simply goes to owners and executives, directors. You know the people that get millions in bonuses after release. Instead of being reinvested into better games. And than in development you have stuff like crunch. You have stuff like 80 year old executives that have never seen a video game making decisions. You have a obsession for uselessly working long hours where minutes of planing could avoid that.
@GusOfTheDorks
Жыл бұрын
@@DisplayLine6.13.9 I think aside from crunch alot of that might be over exaugurated. Like I'm not really aware of any video game companies being run by absurdly out of touch 80 year olds. And even if they are, there is a simple solution to this. You can just buy a different game made by different people. A big part of the problem with this entire thing is that you can very easily go find other quality games from independent sources. And honestly I'm not even that bothered by alot of money going to the CEOs. Partly because they tend to have fronted a ton of money as an investment, but also because there is no reason you have to work for them. So long as everyone in this arrangement understands how the pay out works and agrees to those pay outs, then I'm not sure what the problem is. Especially when anyone with a computer can go out and make a video game. I mean hell, you're here telling me that modders are making basically entirely new games for free. So its obvious there's not really a barrier to entry when it comes to the indie game market. All that being said, I also do not agree that they are making better content then actual developers. Now, I will agree they make more content. But just having more stuff to do does not mean it is better or that it even makes the game better. That's one of the reasons I almost never mod Skyrim or oblivion. Most of the time I find them less fun with mods because I'm going in there to experience a fantasy story. And when you bolt on entire new games to the thing, it honestly gets boring and turns from a romp into a slog. That's one of the reasons cut content exists in games, because the person in charge didnt think it fit the original vision or story of the game.
@DisplayLine6.13.9
Жыл бұрын
@@GusOfTheDorks It's just what I heard from developers. In fact I heard a lot worse. Sabotaging the project with power outages to get people to leave and stuff like that. But you would need to in some shape be in that circle of people I suppose. I can't blame you for not believing it. The CEO fronting money is an assumption on your part. Yeah you can never buy a game made by a company. As to not support the disfunctioning system. That's true. But the devs don't have a choice to necessarily stop working for those companies. Like we don't live in a society where peoples needs are met. They have to be there for external reasons. That's just you. Most people that know of mods do mod the shit out of skyrim. And with total conversions it's more that the total conversion is interesting. That's why people get it. In fact some people buy some games just to play a certain mod. Hell some mods become games Counter strike, team fortress, dota. Enderal, The forgotten city if we are on the topic of skyrim.
@irishcream9004
Жыл бұрын
your country proved socialism works twice
@vaxrvaxr
Жыл бұрын
The saying goes, Germans can make even socialism almost work.
@Chrisspru
Жыл бұрын
the core of all value is conciousness. its experience and free will valueing of that creates value. conciousness has existencial requirements. these are necessarily valuable, as the valuer is a step in every valueing and thereby a part of any value. money is only a tool to facilitate continued conciousness and help enable experience. nothing more.
@Zhohan-
Жыл бұрын
Incentive isn't just for the sake of money. Currency just buys you things. What you buy with money in comfort, status, and sometimes fame. It's a means to an end. But greed will be a universal human trait without money because what money can buy are already innately human desires. Modders do create things in self-interest. It's probably for a sense of worth or purpose, or affirmation by others for what they've done. Desire itself isn't a negative, but it can be taken too far, and the problem is socialism doesn't stop that. It's not utopia and the people on top can't be trusted more than your average politician.
@vaxrvaxr
Жыл бұрын
You'd think these things should be obvious.
@RonaldoLuizPedroso
Жыл бұрын
That is going to take some flak from the Greed is Good crowd.
@GusOfTheDorks
Жыл бұрын
Uhhh, not really. Im giving it flak because it isnt very coherent and only really works if you make alot of baseless assumptions. Like that the modders are doing this for free and dont get anything out of it. Or that they are doing it for free and are getting things put of it that arent directly at odds with socialism. The assumption we live in a capitalist society when we haven't really had capital for like over a hundred years now. Honestly Im not entierly sure what his actual complaint is in relation to AAA gaming. Like I get that he enjoys Skyrim when you add features. Ok, that is a personal prefrence but just for the sake of argument, lets say skyrim is infact better when modded and when you add more stuff to it. As a side note I completely disagree. But back on track. And he states Bethesda made alot of money on Skyrim. So what Im failing to understand is what he thinks should be happening. Like I understand he like better Skyrim or more Skyrim. So does he think Bethesda should be taking the money they earned and do that? And if so is he just assuming greed is why they don't? Because there are way more reasons then greed why a studio doesnt do certain things. Either way I dont get it and all I can really do is aimlessly meander since I dont even understand the premise.
@RonaldoLuizPedroso
Жыл бұрын
@@GusOfTheDorks I think you are overanalyzing this, the main argument of the video is about the fallacy of profit motive. It is really hard to take your seriously when you say things like "we haven't had capital in a hundred years" fear not you don't need to become a socialist to understand the concept of capital.
@GusOfTheDorks
Жыл бұрын
@@RonaldoLuizPedroso Ok, it doesn't really show the fallacy of profit though. It just shows that he doesn't like Bethesda. Fair enough by the way, you're entitled not to like things. But there's a difference between "I would run it differently" and showing that profit motives don't work. Also I dont know why it would be hard to take anyone serious when they point out that we dont have capital.
@empiresacks3498
Жыл бұрын
@@GusOfTheDorks bro what you are doing arguing with socialists you would have an easier time arguing with a brick wall
@GusOfTheDorks
Жыл бұрын
@@empiresacks3498 you never know. If it saves one soul from socialism I think its worth it.
@wagz781
Жыл бұрын
Anyone that knows what socialism actually is will generally agree that it's a good idea. Those that know the history of socialism will understand why it sadly has to stay an idea.
@DigiThorn
Жыл бұрын
This yes, thank you, could not have worded it any better myself
@zfrank4095
4 ай бұрын
More dialectical materialism.
@Katyamuffin
10 ай бұрын
I fucking loVE MODDERS
@Tizi1999
Жыл бұрын
Can you link the mod?
@hollaxow3331
7 ай бұрын
i just chimmed
@alexanderilthari9328
Жыл бұрын
I agree that this is preferable, I just don't agree that you get this from socialism. Socialism keeps turning into Stalinism, which is just the same Oligarchy as we have now, but it's "the people's boot". I would love for something like anarchosocialism to work. But it doesn't. It seems like the best we can hope for is liberal governance with strong social safety nets and severe restrictions on corporations, because the process required to outright abolish capitalism requires so much force that it produces stalinism
@transhumanhivemind3048
11 ай бұрын
Thank you!!! Couldn't have said it better myself. Burgerkiss has a lot of interesting insights but it a shame he buys into the socialist pipedream fairytale and is trying to proving it with modding of all thing. Socialism has been tried MANY times and in hundreds of countries and they have all been failures worse than anything capalist states do to its people. Its not perfect but its leagues better then the utter mad nightmare all Socialist systems bring about
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