Coach this is so freeeekin good. Miss these retro breakdowns.
@WiltChamberlainArchive
13 жыл бұрын
@23jamesdixon He's exactly the same height as Dwight Howard, with a freakish wingspan and he was ranked the #7 High Jumper IN THE WORLD in 1956 and he was going to compete in the Olympics that year if they didn't allow him to play on team U.S.A. He also ran the 1/4 mile in 49.0, he'd be as fast as any of the fastest players in the league today. He'd regularly chase down blocks on fast breaks. This is exactly what Lebron does today. And he was an avg sized center back then. Not a giant.
@sweatyshorts
13 жыл бұрын
West's jumpshot is purrty.
@willlee3
13 жыл бұрын
great analysis coach! Thanks! Superb quality of old video too. i can only envy.
@bballbreakdown
13 жыл бұрын
@lololsdadsa I think you're right. I'll start to record some and pick the good ones!
@WiltChamberlainArchive
13 жыл бұрын
@23jamesdixon "Besides Wilt and a few others". I already made numerous points that indicate that the entire league back then was no shorter than at any other decade through into the '90s. Recent post players appear even shorter. Furthermore, if 2 starting HOF centers in a 14 team league exceed 300lbs that's 14 percent of the leagues starting centers. What decade would be larger? Without evidence you can't really prove your point. The weak/small era argument seems about as solid as wet cleanex.
@bballbreakdown
13 жыл бұрын
@NeuMasterful @erilee84 Great point. Ernie Vandegwhe - Kiki's dad - went to medical school while playing in the NBA!
@WiltChamberlainArchive
13 жыл бұрын
@rockfan96channel I like the word evolved. I'm still not sure how much of that represents forward progress though, as I'm still trying to learn when/why/how the past game has changed to now. Surprisingly it doesn't look like a simple one way street though, skills are also forgotten. Guards and forwards seem to be incredibly skilled these days, but I think right now, the post players are not as skillful as they once were. Like, would it hurt for centers to learn a simple hook shot these days? lol
@Frilleon
13 жыл бұрын
Golden ages of NBA: late 60s and 80s
@BeachPleased
13 жыл бұрын
if Jerry West is not good dribbling with his left hand then why the NBA logo is Jerry West dribbling with his left hand?
@DrJohnnyJ
4 жыл бұрын
He was a forward in college and had a hard time dribbling. After 1965, when Bill van Breda Kolff became head coach, he became a solid ballhandler and ended up leading the league in assists. Baylor's jump shot improved a lot too.
@WiltChamberlainArchive
13 жыл бұрын
@23jamesdixon Both Shaq and Hakeem would be HOF'ers back then, I only made my previous point because it was implied they'd just walk in and tear shit up lol. The restricted movements we see in these old games is in 1 part skill but likely 3 parts rules trends and gear. I think most players back then were less talented in dribbling the ball. But even wth that said, a slick showman like Cousy would just as well catch on to todays jukes and crossovers IF he had Nike's and wouldn't get whistled No?
@kienducpham1136
9 жыл бұрын
Anyeone watching this in 2015?
@SniffyPoo
8 жыл бұрын
I'm watching it in 2016.
@bobbylight111
7 жыл бұрын
Anybody reading this comment in 2017?
@WiltChamberlainArchive
13 жыл бұрын
For anyone curious, I researched modern players of identical heights/similar weight. < symbol means modern guy is heavier and + means past guy was heavier +or- within 10lbs. 1963 Celtics roster: PG_Cousy
@Mr.56Goldtop
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, LOTS of questionable fouls called in those days. The officiating didn't lighten up until about the late 70s. If you pretty much even touched an opposing player they would call a foul. And tough dribbling restrictions too!
@WiltChamberlainArchive
11 жыл бұрын
Incorrect if your referring specifically to height. Bill Russell was 6-9 and 5/8ths w/o shoes according to a 1956 SI article. Dwight Howard measured 6-9 w/o shoes in the draft. Russell has a 7-4 wingspan, Dwight a 7-4.5 wingspan. So they are comparably proportioned in length. Dwight is heavier though, Bill topped out at about 240, where as Dwight weighs 270 right now.
@pau11S80
11 жыл бұрын
However, you can't imagine today's basketball without them, since they are the "fathers" of basketball
@kuumpirukas71
13 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see more breakdowns from the late 80's and 90's. Are you planning on doing some of those?
@WiltChamberlainArchive
13 жыл бұрын
@23jamesdixon /watch?v=IYq4CWeWaKg And a bit of truthfull sarcasm, if the '60's were such a weak era, please explain why an arthritic 35 year old '60's weakling like Chamberlain, is blocking 2 skyhooks head on in a row from a 25 year old prime Kareem. That same Kareem guy who could score 40 on Hakeem even in his late 30's. And he never had his skyhook blocked head on by the 1980's centers. And who statistically shut down KAJ more than any center in his prime? Old 1960's center Nate Thurmond.
@JulioLeonFandinho
6 жыл бұрын
Well, I can see lefty Dick Barnett usin his right hand well... and what surprised me, dribbling the ball on his back. That flashy movements were penalized even by coaches with just sitting the player on the bench. Barnett won a championship with the Knicks in 1970, he was a great player... I think that maybe not Cousy or other players, but many players from that era were natural good athletes, not only Russell or Chamberlain, Barnett was a good athlete, of course healthy Baylor, Gus Johnson, Bob Pettit, even Jerry West who was quick and fast... We can see Havlicek in his rookie season, he was another player with excellent natural good atheticism, specially because he was quick and never get tired. It's true he couldn't use his left hand but if you watch him playing in the 70s he improved in ball handling, I think everbody improved in that particular skill in just maybe 5-8 years or so. Oscar Robertson did crossovers easily even with the strict palming rules, Clyde Frazier was an excelent ball handler, not to mention young Tiny Archibald and others. 60s game was more a passing game, dribbling wasn't an important thing, specially when the lane was so crowded and defense on perimeter wasn't important because the absence of 3 point line, they just pass the ball and tried to find the open shooter
@bballbreakdown
13 жыл бұрын
@dantheman9758 Dan - didn't know you were the historian! You make some good points - interesting take on your comparison between Nate Thurmond and Dwight Howard. Will have to think about that one, but I don't think they were that similar...
@NeuMasterful
13 жыл бұрын
@bballbreakdown I would be interested in knowing how they called palming and travelling back then. Seems to me they called a violation everytime the ball was dribbled anyother place than straight on top of the ball.
@BornToBeRollingStone
11 жыл бұрын
Hey, you seem to know a lot about these things, where do you get all these informations ? Thank you!
@bballbreakdown
13 жыл бұрын
@Bamg449 LOL - but very true! He even talks about that in his book - he admits his left hand wasn't his strong suit and finds it funny they used him dribbling lefty...
@WiltChamberlainArchive
13 жыл бұрын
@23jamesdixon Yes he did have to work to maintain it, he's even said that several times and tried to teach it to other players who never catch on. I don't think it's any more automatic or natural than shooting 3 pointers with Ray Allens effectiveness. If you think otherwise try it, Left, and Right, from any point inside 18' on the court over defenses. I spent a summer working on it 2 years ago and just bricked it outside a tiny sweetspot in games, couldn't do it left, and it didn't come easy.
@WiltChamberlainArchive
13 жыл бұрын
@bballbreakdown But yah, I can't claim they were similar in anything beyond D-reputation and stature lol. I haven't seen enough to really know. I did see an interesting h2h matchup of KAJ vs Thurmond throught playoffs. On paper it appeared Thurmond consistently shut down Kareems scoring better than any other center could. This one stood out, 1972 playoff series: Kareem A.Jabbar - 22.8 ppg, 18.4 rpg, 5.4 apg, 40.5 %FG, 47.8 min Nate Thurmond - 25.4 ppg, 17.8 rpg, 5.2 apg, 43.4 %FG, 46.0 min
@WiltChamberlainArchive
13 жыл бұрын
@rockfan96channel In fact, since 1993, just 30 guys went through draftexpress measured over 7 feet tall, and only 2, Shaquille O'neal and Mutombo were dominant. In that same time 108 guys have gone through UNDER 6 feet tall. That's how rare true 7 footers are. Dominant bigs from 60's-present are generally not quite 7 feet tall, they are mostly between 6'9 and 6'11 in their bare feet. Rare exceptions are Wilt, Shaq, Kareem, Robinson, Gilmore, and I think Walton may have been 7'0 as well.
@DrJohnnyJ
4 жыл бұрын
Today's 7 footers would have been measured 6; 10" then because they wear 2" high shoes. Nate, Leroy Ellis, Walt Bellamy were 6'11" barefoot. Jerry West would be called 6; 5" today.
@casualfandestroyer2503
3 жыл бұрын
Please do more bill Russell videos!!!
@NJovan23
13 жыл бұрын
Hey coach, since there isn't any NBA , how about a Euroleague breakdown? There are some nice games on Wednesday like Anadolu Efes - Partizan or CSKA Moscow - Zalgiris..
@bballbreakdown
13 жыл бұрын
@TitoYuca Damn! Not Bennett - Barnett... 5
@bballbreakdown
13 жыл бұрын
@sweatyshorts Sure was...
@casualfandestroyer2503
5 жыл бұрын
Please do more bill Russell videos!!
@WiltChamberlainArchive
13 жыл бұрын
@23jamesdixon To further blow apart that myth: I just counted 108 NBA draftees on draft express that all measured UNDER 6' tall. That little munchkin Bob Cousy? He's 6'1, and he's about as short as they came back then. And Oscar Robertson? 6'5 - jack that up to 6'6 or 6'7 today. How many point guards in our league are that tall? And today's dominant center D. Howard? Only 6'9. Okafur just 6'8.75. Big Ben Wallace just 6'7. Late-60's and early 70's starting centers towered over these heights.
@alexanderfarah
13 жыл бұрын
i know im not first to mention this but damn jerry west jumper is amazing to watch, that is how you shoot the ball people :D
@DrJohnnyJ
4 жыл бұрын
And fast. His jump stop was amazing. He could go zero to 60 to zero faster than anyone. His big problem was that the coach, Fred Schaus, didn't teach fundamentals either in college or the pros. When the Lakers got a new coach, everyone's skills improved.
@bballbreakdown
13 жыл бұрын
@rayjordan813 That's possible...
@WiltChamberlainArchive
13 жыл бұрын
@23jamesdixon Looking at these heights this way I'm actually more inclined to counter point: Today's talent might avg a bit shorter than Russell's. Especially considering the game today seems bias towards forward and guard play. Quality back-to-the-basket big's have been a tough position to fill since Jordan's Bulls. It shows on paper. Comparing barefoot heights of bigmen today vs the 60's/70's blows that myth wide open. The 60's era star-centers are actually markedly, and consistently taller.
@bballbreakdown
13 жыл бұрын
@TitoYuca LOL - Bennett is a lefty...
@WiltChamberlainArchive
13 жыл бұрын
@ea5t5ide21 I didn't see anyone bashing new school players, IMO most (but not all) of the most talented players have played since the 80's rather than before, especially guards and forwards. I notice a lot more people have fun bashing old school vs new school lol
@WiltChamberlainArchive
13 жыл бұрын
@23jamesdixon I actually think Hakeem's dream shake would be almost impossible in Chuck Taylors, and his uppity up fakes wouldn't get Russ off his feet anyways, he has been described as one of the best players at staying on his feet. He isn't touted for crazy shot blocking for no reason. And Shaq would foul out from o-foul calls. "No regard for human life!" would never work back then. Those guys would need to adjust their games more than you realize. It wouldn't the cake walk your thinking of.
@WiltChamberlainArchive
13 жыл бұрын
@bballbreakdown watch?v=CW5-PEx0n2E watch?v=oCVssaU6FXg (2 different highlight reels of the '67 all star game). Nate sets some screens makes 2 nice layups over the defensive duo of Bill Russell, and Wilt Chamberlain and does a nice putback dunk... Obviously they won't show his misses in a highlight reel but I recall him making some awkward midrange jumpers in a regular season game that's here on youtube somewhere. And like Dwight, he'd get markedly bigger with age. Eventually fills out to 275
@bballbreakdown
13 жыл бұрын
@jeremykoa05 I hear you! BOOO!
@WiltChamberlainArchive
13 жыл бұрын
@rockfan96channel I don't think any of these 60's guys were fat. And weight does help esp in the post. I have quite a bit of old 60's footage, if you want my observation and what I know on paper, the league avg weights of 60's guys will prob ultimately average 20lbs less. And visually it all looks like its their arms/chest. The post players though seemed to really bulk up as they tenured in that era. Once they were older, i think their size/strength would seem a draw with todays centers. (cont.)
@WiltChamberlainArchive
13 жыл бұрын
@23jamesdixon Looking up barefoot heights of todays players creates a lot of doubt about it. And watching the games when the announcers talk about the actual locker room weights of some of those guys during those seasons (rather than looking at the career list weights which weren't updated) makes me doubt it further. Chamberlain is mentioned at 292lbs in only his 1963-64 regular season... And some game around '69 Willis Reed was mentioned as over 300lbs... Small era? Really? By what measure?
@WiltChamberlainArchive
13 жыл бұрын
@23jamesdixon There's more to this than meets the eye. These guys aren't doing a lot of today's familiar movements bc of rule restrictions. Players also can play "up" to competition, and 60's style of play is closer to 80's than '10s so I'd argue different - With a pair of nikes to free up his world class vert and open up tight lateral movements, he'd easily be a top center with his pyscho win attitude. Him and Ewing and Hakeem are about the same height - those guys aren't 7 footers either.
@WiltChamberlainArchive
13 жыл бұрын
@23jamesdixon I'm completely baffled how people continue to convinced themselves anything past 1962 is a "small" era unless they're strictly speaking upper body bulk. The whole thing about Russell/Wilt facing shorter than modern rosters is absurd. Up until the 1980's players were measured barefoot. Look up modern players measured the same way and you'll understand. Since about the 1980's heights are generally listed with a 1-2" inflation due to measuring "in shoes", and they'll also round up.
@andreasgr1740
11 жыл бұрын
elgin had 38p 23reb and 14/27 fg...
@DrJohnnyJ
4 жыл бұрын
An average game for him that year. Really.
@WiltChamberlainArchive
13 жыл бұрын
@23jamesdixon I'm not so sure about that theory, he claims he had to maintain it constantly, I'll believe him seeing as how hes the only one who ever shot it so well
@WiltChamberlainArchive
13 жыл бұрын
@23jamesdixon His height was average. But his weight was slightly below average even for his own era. He claims he didn't bulk up bc he didn't want to change up his game of agility, it was a choice. A surprising number of guys back then strength trained to improve their role in the pivot. Chamberlain, Thurmond, Petit, quite a few others really bulked up as their careers progressed. Unlike today though, they usually didn't start until they were in the NCAA or Pros /watch?v=CW5-PEx0n2E
@WiltChamberlainArchive
13 жыл бұрын
@bballbreakdown I only meant similar physiques and defense, both are/were jacked as hell with freaky broad shoulders and elongated wingspans - in silhouette they'd be like clones! lol They share exceptional shot blocking and top notch defensive reputations. Offensively, Dwight has taken heat but Thurmond was worse. Nate shot similar ft% but fg% is just awful. I've only seen a few full games of his, not enough to get the full picture. I felt he didn't dunk enough, he'd attempt mid-range shots.
@23jamesdixon
13 жыл бұрын
@dantheman9758 That's working to get it, not maintain it. He got it early so had it easy from there onwards. Once you get it it isn't going anywhere... You don't forget how to shoot the ball. Ray shoots so much before games to put himself into game situations etc, Kareem didn't even need to do that, because it was just always on the block, hook over opposite shoulder.
@IcantThinkOfAname9
13 жыл бұрын
blocks weren't recorded back then?
@WiltChamberlainArchive
13 жыл бұрын
@23jamesdixon Duncan is 6'11, not more. Duncan even by self admission says he's not a 7 footer - and that he was hyped as such for "twin towers". That's one of the whole points of a shift to list players in shoes, it helps popularize The NBA. And if it helps convince you, David Robinson measured 7'0, not 7'1 for the 1988 Olympics @ 23 years old (and only 226lbs!). KG @ 6'11.25, Shaq @ 7'1 and maybe some EuroNBA players are but few exceptions. My overall point is solid. draftexpress on google.
@arther1045
13 жыл бұрын
@23jamesdixon name the good centers in the league right now. And rememeber there are about 30 teams. There has been a low density of good centers sicne the early 80s at best.
@WiltChamberlainArchive
13 жыл бұрын
@rayjordan813 ...highly doubt that, he doesn't have any of the offensive touch or physical gifts Wilt had. He's 4 inches shorter, with a lot less reach and wingspan - smaller hands, etc. He'd be a HOF'er back then for sure, but at 280lbs I doubt he'd have the stamina to score 100 especially without a jumper. He reminds me of a shorter clone of that era's Nate Thurmond, both were freakishly broad shoulder, very muscular athletic, and monster defenders/blockers. Not a chance he'd score 100 though.
@WiltChamberlainArchive
13 жыл бұрын
@23jamesdixon In your eyes a skyhook = a video game glitch? Yikes. Kareem's innovation, and constant hard work to maintain his shot ISN'T a FAULT. He blended his size and skill for a shot that simply worked. Never heard it called a cheese move by anyone who's tried it, its not easy. By your logic we should knock all players who have combined physical gifts and hardwork. IE everyone in the HOF/future HOF'ers. Have you ever watched as much prime Kareem as your other center favorites?
@EGarrett01
12 жыл бұрын
Old enough that he could "block 2 skyhooks head on in a row." Kareem torched him that game, in the same way that Kareem torched every center he ever played against, and Chamberlain admitted that Kareem was the first guy he ever needed help against.
@JMS1089
11 жыл бұрын
Lol @ Bob Cousy's physique. #16 on the C's has one sweet jumper (sorry looked it up but couldn't find the name). Heinsohn got that nice old school set shot. West had a sweet jumper too, though it looks like a very gentle wrist flick vs a follow through. His block was a wow!! As for dribbling w/ their off hand, I agree it is strange why defenders didn't just pick their pockets. W/ that said, look this up /watch?v=rtJXEJ8pfyM Ginobili right to left crossover w/ his left. Look shamgod for other ie.
@BrockMak
12 жыл бұрын
Man, I guess I play like West back in the days... only I'm left-handed and still don't have much of a right.
@iDesikiki
13 жыл бұрын
And they say Russel is the greatest defensive player. As much respect I have for this guys, an average college team would tear them appart in today's game.
@DanielTannenbaum1208
13 жыл бұрын
loving the white heavenly glow above your head Coach
@WiltChamberlainArchive
13 жыл бұрын
@rockfan96channel (cont) Google draftexpress measurements. Than tell me how many active starting centers are ACTUAL 7 footers on that draft list from the past few years. I'll save you some time, there aren't any starting centers on that list that are measured over 7 feet tall in barefeet. The term "7 footer" is used to describe today's NBA list heights, which aren't accurate, nor comparable to the barefoot list heights of the 60's. Those 60's guys are just as tall in barefeet as today's guys.
@23jamesdixon
13 жыл бұрын
@dantheman9758 It was a small era, no doubt about it. It was also a weaker era, Russell was a great player but he got so many blocks because players would just go and try and lay up or shoot on him time after time because plays weren't developed enough to take him out. I don't think there's any doubting that modern bigs are bigger than Russell was, there is not doubt that he would be small for a 5 if he played now.I'm saying he's better than most bigs, just not the top 5 all time (who are 7ft+).
@bobbylight111
8 жыл бұрын
I think there's an inherent problem with saying on the one hand the game was so primitive that ball handlers couldn't even dribble left and defenders didn't even know to force left, but on the other hand that Russell was the greatest defensive player of all time. If the game was that different in this era then all those guys should be ineligible for any kind of "greatest ever" discussion. Increased standard of competition makes it a deeply unfair comparison IMO.
@mattsmith9852
8 жыл бұрын
+bkeers Bill Russell wasn't the greatest ever, but your assessment is also a bit unfair since palming and dribbling rules were a lot stricter and called a lot tighter, which made it difficult to dribble with the left hand. Despite that, there were plenty of players during that era such as Oscar Robinson and Elgin Baylor that could drive left. As far as competition, there were only 8 teams then, so unlike today with the talent being spread out with 30 teams, it was condensed to just eight teams and a lot of players in today's NBA wouldn't had even played a single minute back then.
@kris13iam
7 жыл бұрын
Matt Smith 11 rings + 5 MVPs....Russell is GOAT.
@mattsmith9852
7 жыл бұрын
I disagree. Winning a bunch of rings does NOT make you the GOAT and many of those MVP's should have gone to Wilt like the 1962 season when Wilt averaged 50 freakin points. By that logic, Robert Horry is greater than Michael Jordan because Horry won 7 rings and MJ won 6. Russell was surrounded by teams that had between 4-8 hall of famers and Russell's offensive game was never very good.
@alfredodistefanolaulhe2212
7 жыл бұрын
He was the greatest, they played the way the game was played in their era, if they played today they would play the way the game is played now, and they still would be greatest. Also Wilt Chamberlain played against Jabbar and Jabbar played in the 80's, so any of these players could play in any era, and they still would dominate.
@kris13iam
7 жыл бұрын
Robert Horry has how many MVPs? Oh, that's right - ZERO. It's rings + MVPs, and nobody equals Russell. I'd accept an argument for Jabbar with 6 rings + 6 MVPs. But Wilt's 4 MVPs and 2 rings don't qualify.
@23jamesdixon
13 жыл бұрын
@dantheman9758 I dunno, after him very few have solidly attempted it. I'm sure if a player spent a solid year learning it, they could get it. Most guys don't want to learn it. Bynum said he didn't so did Shaq. I'd say it's hard to learn, but shooting it 20 times a night is going to be more than enough to maintain it.
@EGarrett01
12 жыл бұрын
In all likelihood, Wilt and Kareem would've both scored 40 points against each other, in the same way Kareem and Hakeem Olajuwon did. If Hakeem (and 7'7" Manute Bol) couldn't stop 40-year-old Kareem from scoring 30 points with his skyhook, no one could. Wilt himself even said that he needed help to guard Kareem.
@SniffyPoo
8 жыл бұрын
7:55: Re "Long jumper by Cousy" I dont think Cousy ever shot a 'jumper'
@Mr.56Goldtop
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, he did.
@alexanderfarah
13 жыл бұрын
@dantheman9758 that is true, some players are only 7ft tall because of their shoes, oh and you forgot to mention yao as a dominant 7fter hahaha, and yeah i think walton was 6'9 actually, but i think maybe players are more dominant now as the game has evolved, people learn new ways to play, in terms of physicality and being athletic or tall or big, its case by case i guess, just depends on who you are, like wilt was a genetic monster, and baylor was the original high flyer
@jongib369
12 жыл бұрын
and how old was wilt?
@casualfandestroyer2503
3 жыл бұрын
Bill Russell is the goat!!
@TitoYuca
13 жыл бұрын
@bballbreakdown he also goes right a lot in the video (7:48, 8:13) why not just give him props instead of dismissing the whole era? look, i like and appreciate your videos, and i also wonder why players of this era barely used their off hand, but if you've seen a lot of these games you can tell that they COULD use it, it just didn't occur to them for some reason. it does look kinda stupid now, but they did have the ability.
@23jamesdixon
13 жыл бұрын
@dantheman9758 I don't think you can use that as a rule. I don't like Howard and consider him quite similar to Russell in that he gets blocks because he is more athletic and bigger than 99% of the league and his teams funnel players into him. Players also play down their height. Duncan and KG are both at least 7ft tall but played down their height to ensure they were considered 4's & not 5's early in their career (primarily so they didn't have to match up with Shaq I'd argue).
@alexanderfarah
13 жыл бұрын
@dantheman9758 its not about the weight always, its about what kind of weight you have whether its muscle or fat, also the height is a big deal, wilt was like the only 7fter at the time
@gamingkiller16
11 жыл бұрын
and people consider these people some of the best ever
@kris13iam
7 жыл бұрын
Shawn Melo as in nobody dominated their own era like they did. 11 championships in 13 years.
@alfredodistefanolaulhe2212
7 жыл бұрын
They are best ever.
@NeuMasterful
13 жыл бұрын
One should not compare eras. The athletes back in 50s had to have a second job to support their families. They hardly had time to work on their game. Today they make millions. Not to forget, they actually PLAYED back then.
@kris13iam
7 жыл бұрын
And I thought today's refs were bad.
@kaikaichen
12 жыл бұрын
I'm no basketball expert by any means, but is Jerry West's form really that "picture perfect?" It looks very strange to me, compared to what seems to be correct today. Namely, I see that West pulls his right arm back immediately after releasing the ball, rather than holding his follow-through....
@7omni748
8 жыл бұрын
Most peoples comments when analyzing older basketball players is that they cant play with todays NBA players.There simply wrong ,every great player in each era can play with the next era of NBA greats!The 60's could compete with the 70's ,the 70's compete with the 80's and so on and so forth,that is a fact !Its more like todays players cannot compete with the older era's because theres no hand checking and players constantly travel/palming and get away with it!
@alfredodistefanolaulhe2212
7 жыл бұрын
Exactly!
@BornToBeRollingStone
11 жыл бұрын
Bill Russell was smaller than Dwight : Bill was 6-9, Dwight is 6-11.
@WiltChamberlainArchive
13 жыл бұрын
@23jamesdixon And skyhook = a cheese move?...
@bullsftw2014
11 жыл бұрын
Can you do some wilt chamberlain breakdowns or at least the lakers when they had him
@DrJohnnyJ
4 жыл бұрын
Chamberlain was only good (great) on defense when he was with the Lakers but he couldn't score. He was an amazing scorer with the Warriors. Before my time.
@23jamesdixon
13 жыл бұрын
I don't think Russell can be considered the best center of all time. People missed shots because of him because he was a giant in that time and very athletic. Stick him on a court nowadays and he's undersized for a 4, no matter a 5! He was the greatest center of that ERA, if Wilt isn't,and he was a GREAT competitior and a great winner but he just doesn't have the skills and the abilities of modern centers to be considered amongst the true greatest to play the 5. And that's coming from a C's fan!
@cowpoke02
7 жыл бұрын
i think these old celtics could stomp modern teams . team play and passing and flow .
@AA-ye7xj
6 жыл бұрын
cowpoke02 are u blind?
@TheSands83
5 жыл бұрын
I dont..till the 80s ball players were not as talented
@bordertown
12 жыл бұрын
Whatever works. Jerry still has a higher FG% than Kobe with that form.
@23jamesdixon
13 жыл бұрын
@arther1045 Because there were so few quality bigs back then...
@DrJohnnyJ
4 жыл бұрын
Are you joking? Wilt, Nate, Russell, Beatty, Reed, Bellamy, Embry (before getting fat) and there were only 7 or 8 teams. Only the Lakers had a turkey center (RIP) and they still were competitive.
@23jamesdixon
13 жыл бұрын
Basically, you put Shaq or Hakeem back in this game and they would have a million points, blocks and rebounds, and that's why I consider them to be the two greatest bigs of all time, they can operate and dominate in every era. You put Russell in our era, or anything after his own and he'd probably struggle quite a bit
@JulioLeonFandinho
6 жыл бұрын
Russell was 6'10 wth are you talking about
@arther1045
13 жыл бұрын
@TheAesirsFinest exactly you can only rate a player by how he dominated his era. I am sick to death of people saying things like Russell wasn't that great becaus of it. he has a argument as good as anyone at being the best ever. do you think if howard grew up in the 50s his game woulod be the same?
@23jamesdixon
13 жыл бұрын
@dantheman9758 The skyhook was a massive cheese move which could only be blocked by a huge guy like Wilt. I don't consider Kareem a great great player because of that, he had a great move but without it he's just another big IMO. 60s were weak besides Wilt and a few others, not the consistent high level seen since then. Big Bigs could shut Kareem down because they could deny him position, also helped that he was a lot younger and less experienced in the 60s.
@jerrodschumacher2287
12 жыл бұрын
3:25 LOGO
@WiltChamberlainArchive
13 жыл бұрын
@lololsdadsa If you say so
@andreasgr1740
11 жыл бұрын
another ignoramus young kid...there were many athletic players back then like baylor,russell,wilt,thurmond...of course now players are more athletic due to training technic,nutriens,steroids..imagine those supertstars with today's staff.no left dripple?driblle rules was much more strick,if today's player play back then would called for travelling all the time!u could n't carry or palm man.as concern fast u are completey wrong,they were almost as fast as today.it's fool to compare though
@zroysum
5 жыл бұрын
It's hard to know exactly what the impact of the dribbling rules would be but it's likely that it's massive.
@23jamesdixon
13 жыл бұрын
@dantheman9758 Not as far as that, just that because it was such an effective move (which he didn't have to maintain, it wasn't going anywhere, it's like a jumpshot you master the form and it's there, its difficult but he got it early and lived off it his entire career) his points total isn't a true reflection of his worth as a player. He was good, just not the greatest center/player/scorer of all time. I've seen quite a bit of Kareem, not my kind of player, below par defensively IMO.
@Legend33Larry
9 жыл бұрын
+Wilt Chamberlain Archives Agree on your comment (2011). PG, SG, SF (in some cases PF) seems better in today's game because rules favored them : dribbling, three-point line and different rules implemented in the mid-00s gave them more freedom... But, centers were way better back then! They had post moves and could play back to the basket!
@shareefabdurrahman7055
8 жыл бұрын
+Legend33Larry ''because rules favored them'' r u fucking stupid?? yes, a little bit, but NO fucking way that's the main reason. Todays best players would kill these bums straight up. No fucking question. Cmon, todays Eurolegues teams would kill them too easily.
@Legend33Larry
8 жыл бұрын
+Alaskan Werewolf Do I say something wrong? Yes rules favored them. Even though, today's ballers are better plain and simple. When I looked at the guards and SF we found today, it is pretty impressive. Guys are athletics and can play ball. For the PF, they are great, but not as great as Charles Barkley, Malone and Duncan (he started playing in the 90s). But, I don't see any center today that can outplay Wilt Chamberlain, Artis Gilmore or Kareem.
@shareefabdurrahman7055
8 жыл бұрын
Legend33Larry basketball 1 v 1 ? I'm 6'2 guard. Where u from?
@Legend33Larry
8 жыл бұрын
Alaskan Werewolf Ex-college player from Canada. In my younger days, CIS teams started to play agaisnt NCAA basketball teams. We did okay considering the lack of sponsorship and money.
@23jamesdixon
13 жыл бұрын
@dantheman9758 I'm not comparing todays bigs to Russell, I mean the modern era, 80s onwards. I don't think todays bigs are worth a damn, most are undersized and very few have any legitimate skill, and Russell could probably operate in todays era ok, I just think because of size, and a vastly different style of play he would be nowhere near the great player he was considered to be back then. IMO, compare Russell to Shaq, Hakeem, (not necessarily Kareem) and a few more "greats", he's not close.
@23jamesdixon
13 жыл бұрын
@dantheman9758 Cheese move, as in an unblockable/unstoppable move which the player murders to get points. Perfect example of a cheese move on the latest 2k watch?v=ULr6dQR-wA8 cant be blocked so can do it 1000000 times a game and guarantee a win. It's not Kareems fault that he had the ultimate move which he repeated to death, but he's not one of the top 3 best bigs because that was how he was so successful.
@EGarrett01
12 жыл бұрын
@dantheman9758 Kareem scored 40 on Wilt also.
@DrJohnnyJ
4 жыл бұрын
The first couple of years, Wilt raised his average against Kareem and Kareem's average went down against Wilt. The last year, Wilt had lost too much of his jumping ability to contest the hook. However, I think that it was 39. And once.
@23jamesdixon
13 жыл бұрын
@arther1045 That's what I said... there are only three or four quality centers in the league nowadays.
@sean2015
11 жыл бұрын
There is no dress code for fans to attend a basketball game, what are you talking about?
@jae2067
12 жыл бұрын
wilt was just a beast in general...
@Konphetty
12 жыл бұрын
Two little blocked shots doesnt prove anything if the era is weak or not. To me your like one of those people who say Kobe is better than MJ because he scored 81
@23jamesdixon
13 жыл бұрын
@dantheman9758 Maybe not, but Hakeem could just take Russell out and shoot over him! Or back him down & just shoot over him! I don't think Shaq could go back to the 60s & dunk through guys like he does now,but I also think he would be the tallest guy in the league, would be a lot skinnier because of different training methods so would still dominate the league.And because he would have grown up with soft calls/charges on everything he did he would have played differently. Hakeem works everywhere
@23jamesdixon
13 жыл бұрын
@arther1045 Exactly like today... Dwight looks 20x better because of a lack of competition.
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