183 absolutely rules in this recording. I love it. You hear so much of the mechanical beauty of the piano's action, deeper more neutral lows leave it sounding much less boxy and synthetic, as to be expected with an omni.
@ertatta
3 ай бұрын
Wow, now I’m coming to this video after the first one I commented on 20 min ago & again I prefer the 183. There is a creaminess to the upper mids that is very attractive & adds to the overall musicality. I’m surprised how similar in timbre and technical precision/speed the 4006 & 170’s are. Speaks highly for this large diaphragm design.
@WilliamJohnston
3 жыл бұрын
Great to hear a demo on piano, what strikes me is how much self noise becomes a complete non-issue with piano recording, you really get to assess the mics for just their tonal quality rather than worrying about hiss underneath, whereas with guitar recording I feel like noise plays a 50/50 role alongside tone for me when considering mic choices. I feel like DPA was the overall most balanced and accurate, with the 183s having a slightly reduced upper mids, making it potentially slightly easier on the ears for long-term listening, the 170s being the darkest and least fatiguing for long listening, but if a more present, forward sound is what you’re after, probably the DPA. By the way, recently got a Coles 4038 and can’t wait to test it out more fully!
@ClassicalGuitarTones
3 жыл бұрын
I couldn't have said that better; Guitar is such a delicate and subtle instrument, self-noise of microphones and mic-preamps can really be an issue. The 4038 together with your Josephson omni's should make wonderful recordings! Looking forward to hear it.
@danieltoussaintambiantguit6480
3 жыл бұрын
i like B, Neumann KM 183 sound more full body than the others
@ClassicalGuitarTones
3 жыл бұрын
The Neumann Omni's have a full lower midrange and sparkly tope end that many people like! Thanks for the comment.
@floof3942
3 жыл бұрын
Great comparison. Both TLM and KM sound more round. The DPA sounds a bit harsh or revealing. But I can’t tell which is closer to that piano’s real sound. But for sure the colors are different.
@ClassicalGuitarTones
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much! This Steinway was definitely on the bright side with tons of overtones. I like the darker TLM sound, and the slightly sparkly KM, but I think that the DPA captured this piano a bit more truthfully.
@tyremanguitars
3 жыл бұрын
all of them sound pretty similar to be honest, my favourite setup for recording piano is a matched pair of U87ai's in blumlien, in this recording I like the DPA 4006 most but all of them would be more than acceptable.
@ClassicalGuitarTones
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Ben. For the actual recording of the suite, which is quite modern and dissonant, I ended up using all pairs. I put the TLM 170 inside the piano, in wide cardioid, the KM 183 in AB close to the piano, and the 4006A a but wider and further away. Next time, I'll try the also U87's in blumlein, where would you place them?
@tyremanguitars
3 жыл бұрын
@@ClassicalGuitarTones it depends on the piano, you will have to experiment with placement but I usually put one pointing towards the bass strings and other treble strings if doing blumlien, somewhere in the centre with the lid open, I never have a set place and always move them around a bit but there is usually a sweet spot. Mid Side is also nice in the same setup but instead of using cardiod for the mids use omni.
@ClassicalGuitarTones
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I'll try it next time.
@24mkim1
3 жыл бұрын
I like Km183 a bit more than others! sounds a bit sweeter. It is like what I will expect for good Steinway!
@ClassicalGuitarTones
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Pianiste. I was expecting to like this the least, but I was pleasantly surprised. For the actual recording of my suite, I used all three pairs in different positions.
@TheGravelemuel
2 жыл бұрын
Very nice comparaison!! I love everything but may be not so much the Neuman km 183… there are okai but may be not so precise? Whatever I heard it on not so precise speakers😇💪
@Pule12345
3 жыл бұрын
Mic A- natural flat round sound, Mic B more vivid sound/transients, Mic C - it is similar to mic A but is too rounded and blurry
@ClassicalGuitarTones
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the comment!
@andresartesi767
3 жыл бұрын
I like the Neumann TLM170
@user-yb8hk1xv6x
2 жыл бұрын
TLM 170 sounds good to me
@ClassicalGuitarTones
2 жыл бұрын
It's hard to not to like the TLM 170.
@ajschot
2 жыл бұрын
i think i like the TLM the most in this situation and position, and the KM183 the less... but like most of the times, the 183's are maybe the best bang for the bug, you can buy a pair of KM183 for less then one single 4006 or TLM170. Does it sound 70% worse then the others? They sound less good but still ok... some eq and it will be better or trying a bit longer to search the best place.
@andresartesi767
3 жыл бұрын
although I have beeing recording grand piano for decades with my favorites Schoeps MK5
@MrCoranglais
3 жыл бұрын
Just a quick observation, I feel that the preamp and converter are introducing quite a lot of colouration into the sound....making a real comparison difficult.
@ClassicalGuitarTones
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the comment, but I disagree. The Micstasy is pretty transparent; used by the Deutsche Grammophon and BIS. Also, the differences in response of these microphones are pretty straight forward in these examples.
@travelthebest2676
2 жыл бұрын
Did you subtract EQ quite a chunk of lows and mids?
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