We have these kinds of rules of employment and it is one of the biggest reasons I do not employ people and I could have grown to a few employees easy but the stress is just not worth it.
@rossmanngroup
Жыл бұрын
Understandable. Raising your prices and staying small is always an option. You will naturally price yourself out of being overworked to the point of repairing employees. Best of luck with everything you are working towards
@wastedpotentiel
Жыл бұрын
Portland Oregon has a similar law on in place but instead of 4 years pay its one year. It's common practice for all employees to receive 6-12 months of pay even when they are fired for incompetence. There have been several payouts in the hundreds of thousands of dollars
@daviddavies3637
Жыл бұрын
@@wastedpotentiel And Americans think Europeans are nuts. We have far wider worker protections than Americans have but this is nuts. The only way you can get a payout like that over here is if the employer has fired you unfairly or if it's been "constructive dismissal", where the conduct of the employer or management (e.g. bullying or racism) has led to a situation where the employee has been left with no choice but to quit for their own sanity.
@marcelleuenberger4648
Жыл бұрын
Also, here in Switzerland for example there's a probation period of 3 months. Only after that period does the full "protection" come into place. (We have 3 months notice here, and in that time full salary is owed)
@cpedersenatgmailcom
Жыл бұрын
@@marcelleuenberger4648 Exactly the same in Denmark.
@joesworld396
Жыл бұрын
New York always looks for new ways to punish small businesses for the crime of doing business in New York.
@kyleshockley1573
Жыл бұрын
Sounds like most social media algorithms. [Greta voice] _"How _*_dare_*_ you use our platform."_
@billlumbergh9251
Жыл бұрын
Louis , take a day off youtube and watch the movie series ATLAS SHRUGGED, atlas was the greek god holding up the world. I saw the movies first, read the book after seeing the film.
@cpK054L
Жыл бұрын
@Vercusgames LOL imagine thinking that the voter system in NY is actually legit. They are most likely doing that for a REASON. SBOs aren't part of the "crowd" just look at the Real Estate prices in Manhattan and tell me "What could possibly justify this cost?" I saw Fishbowl copers saying "It's a beautiful city! It's full of culture!" blah blah blah. I bet most of these people didn't even grow up in this city. They weren't here for the 90's. I wish I was born early enough to experience the 80's but I wasn't so lucky. Nobody votes in NY. it's a clown show. I won't believe AOC won legitimately until they do an ACTUAL AUDIT because if someone that doesn't know what a garbage disposal is and doesn't see the hypocrisy of her using up tax dollars to fund her degeneracy, then I agree, New York deserves EVERYTHING
@swahler34
Жыл бұрын
@@kyleshockley1573 😢
@TheDarkestPaladin
Жыл бұрын
Love how even tho I never stepped foot in the US, I know that I must stay away from NY XD
@iroccata
Жыл бұрын
Welcome to Argentina NY. Happy to see you applying all the same policies that made us thrive the last decades!
@ContagiousRepublic
Жыл бұрын
Sounds like if you can prove NY forced you out of a profitable honest business "intentionally enough", you can use THIS to evaluate how much money they should owe you for having committed that tort. Unless NY already has a law for determining that type of damage.
@Knowbody42
Жыл бұрын
Laws are not for the government to follow. They are for everyone else.
@Guardian_Arias
Жыл бұрын
Louis was in managerial position.
@charlescurran1289
Жыл бұрын
How can Hochul get away with firing nurses causing a health care shortage, refuse to rehire them in light of the science and then arbitrarily give the loyal drones a $3k bonus?
@joshcoleman5884
Жыл бұрын
The section defining discharge was not defining wrongful discharge, but any and all discharge.
@davidturk6170
Жыл бұрын
Not just wages and interest, but benefits too. So if your benefits amounted to 40% of their base wage, you’d have to pay them 140% of their base pay, plus interest. Then the various withholding taxes!
@daviddavies3637
Жыл бұрын
I can see where it can make sense. Employee is unfairly fired and sues employer. Employee is unable to find new work and case drags on for four years. Employee has to prove to court/tribunal that they have been trying to get work but the market is depressed. Employee gets four years' worth of pay and benefits from former employer. Ultimately, as with any case, the burden of proof in all of that would be on the employee.
@ElJosher
Жыл бұрын
They should only apply this with big companies only, but we know they won’t and the real intention is f’ing medium and small businesses while making big business more powerful.
@justinwalsh8512
Жыл бұрын
Up here in Canada we have a minimum of 1 week for every year with an employer. Seems to work well
@InfernosReaper
Жыл бұрын
Incompetence is apparently *not* good grounds for dismissal in some states. I suspect New York is one of them.
@ajr993
Жыл бұрын
Whenever you're doing a risk analysis you always have to consider low probability events that lead to extreme losses. This is what happened during the great financial crisis. A low probability event, the simultaneous default of millions of mortgages, caused banks that depended on that low probability event not occurring to go bankrupt.
@andrewroes7942
Жыл бұрын
Agreed towards the whole AI Art not actually ruining artists thing, I think the same logic from those studies finding piracy hardly impacts sales applies The people who are pirating weren't gonna buy it in the first place
@bobbysinclair3409
Жыл бұрын
As an employer I completely agree, but what protection dose an employee get? In the us not much at all.
@blvckno_1
Жыл бұрын
This is exactly why I'm so against big government, simply for the fact that most people are too stupid to know how to tie their own shoes
@nomadperson4619
Жыл бұрын
i think they should apply this rule to company that hires and fires employee like a cannon fodder. This should apply to companies like facebook. The intention is good imo.
@mrguiltyfool
Жыл бұрын
That's so new york
@041101213
Жыл бұрын
I have an Australian law degree - but your business interests are protected - it says you can get rid of them for a legitimate business reason. That is a common test in employment law. It’s based on another legal test called the reasonable person test. This is when the lawyers legalese too hard - they do it so the court can flip flop. In Australia the reasonable person is referred to as the perspective of the hypothetical reasonable man on the Bondi tram. At this stage in US democracy I think it will just depend on the judge and their values lol. Reliable anyway. Also it looks like some dill pickle has left the tracked changes on in word with the green underline hahah is that how they all look or is it just some new clerk on the job? I wonder haha
@goolaguser3702
Жыл бұрын
I undestand your american business owner's perspective, but from the point of view of high-skilled labor in europe, I can mostly relate to the "takes 6 hours to do a 45 minute job" -person. Honestly a big reason for being slow at my job is being spoiled with all those workers' protections, but I would find it hard to have it any other way. I'm just a wagie and not invested in the business. Also doing unmotivated/uninteresting tasks slowly and getting distracted from it easily might be an autism trait, as I recently learned from your previous video :)
@tomaszkluska6419
Жыл бұрын
What does mean "discharge" in that case?
@TheXtrafresh
Жыл бұрын
these laws are written to protect workers from the draconian shit that large corporations put them through. If this law has the kind of language that would make it reasonable for a business like yours, just IMAGINE what Apple will do to their people at the Genius Bar. Sadly, the reaction to these massive corps being assholes to their workers is to join the arms race and be assholes in return. This is triple-misguided: 1) you cant out-asshole the assholes 2) even if you "win", you are contributing to a world of assholes 3) all small businesses and their workers, along with anyone else acting in good faith is caught in the crossfire, and forced to also become the biggest asshole on the block or die.
@penguinjay
Жыл бұрын
Louis is slowly becoming a based Texan. I'm glad you got out too, dude.
@pest86
Жыл бұрын
Short contracts. That you renew.. or not
@Cmensailing
Жыл бұрын
Love your channel
@leonro
Жыл бұрын
4 years is a meme, it should be 3-6 months at most. Even 6 months is quite a lot. If it was limited to less (like 1 month) for ex-prisoners or ex-addicts, it might also allow them to find a job easier, although this could easily lead to a job market where having previously been to prison would be a desirable trait.
@RapiBurrito
Жыл бұрын
It's amazing, the socialists ruin everything in real time 😂
@Fred-mv8fx
Жыл бұрын
Oof I have never had a hard time finding a job. I've always secured the job within a month of starting a search, even when I was jobless at the time
@KidCorporate
Жыл бұрын
This bill is loser culture manifest.
@wesleyhoward5599
Жыл бұрын
Step 1: Lie on your resume. Step 2: Get fired. Step 3: Profit.
@nanoflower1
Жыл бұрын
That assumes the courts can't properly decide the case. That remains unknown because judges are held to a standard unlike the standard civil servant. If a person was fired unfairly then they deserve that back pay, but it's been my experience that you can't easily win those cases. Though that isn't with New York City.
@krto7663
Жыл бұрын
New york right now: Looking for people fired by rossman repair group, we can help you get some good amount of texan cash
@sanosuke2999
Жыл бұрын
@@nanoflower1 Most of the NYC judges are proud activists. Good luck getting fair judgements.
@connoisseurofcookies2047
Жыл бұрын
@@sanosuke2999 And as long as their OF sidegig doesn't get exposed they'll get away with it as well.
@AmurTiger
Жыл бұрын
I mean that'd be a pretty easy case of justified termination really, the problem really pivots around how incompetent, capricious and generally unpredictable the system of enforcement seems to be in New York, which Louis has documented pretty thoroughly at this point. It resembles some of the development bylaw issues we have around Vancouver where notionally reasonable things like sightlines, shading and protecting trees end up accumulating a ton of bureaucratic churn made far worse by the fact that nobody wants to staff up the landscaping department that suddenly has to evaluate whether or not X development is going to kill Y tree. Like at some point you need to wipe the slate clean of laws and build it back up just for the sake of reducing useless complexity, the Romans had to do it once, seems likely that New York could use it and Vancouver could certainly use it for development bylaws.
@jeffdege4786
Жыл бұрын
The harder government makes it to fire people, the more careful and restrictive they are forced to be in hiring.
@rossmanngroup
Жыл бұрын
And this is where the meme of "10 years experience, master's degree" for $17/hr job comes into play. The same people saying this legislation was a _'step in the right direction'_ will look at help wanted ads and bemoan the requirements. _"why is nobody taking a chance on me??"_ - because you made it too risky to. Easy hire easy fire means someone who dropped out of sophomore year of high school and has a criminal record with prison time is fine by me. I'll take a chance on anyone With this bill; I'm hiring... *In Texas.*
@yamilabugattas3895
Жыл бұрын
Sadly, a lot of people don't get this. The harder it is to fire people, the harder it is to hire in the first place, since it increases the cost of the associated risk.
@dkchen
Жыл бұрын
They outsource.
@hugoguerreiro1078
Жыл бұрын
Portugal has laws like these, foreign companies just don't want to hire anyone on a permanent basis as a consequence. It's already hard enough to have a successful business, but business owners are always the first to get attacked whenever the economy does poorly. When you wonder why Portugal is poor for a developed country, this is why. People value "worker's rights" over having good job opportunities and attracting foreign companies that would pay higher wages.
@jeffdege4786
Жыл бұрын
@@dkchen Pretty much, yes. I was talking to a German business owner, once, at a time when the news was full of complaints about how German companies hadn't created new jobs in decades. His response? German companies had created hundreds of thousands of jobs - but not in Germany.
@ericfleck6739
Жыл бұрын
the next bill will allow people who were wrongfully "not hired."... sue for 4 years of "lost wages."
@dsloop3907
Жыл бұрын
Newsom is watching this, shhh.
@adamestrada7610
Жыл бұрын
@@dsloop3907 nah, that dude is way too deep in the pockets of bug business to pass that. Other California Dems are definitely taking notes, tho.
@cpK054L
Жыл бұрын
I'm going to take advantage of this because I'm jaded
@Puggy42069
Жыл бұрын
That’s called discrimination.
@rasheedwhite4647
Жыл бұрын
Don't give them any idea's , lol
@nickstone1167
Жыл бұрын
This smells like a small-business destruction bill than anything else. Because only the big players could afford the butt coverings in both onboarding and off boarding to be safe from this.
@kenosabi
Жыл бұрын
Yep. The only people capable of paying it will be corps - just like Wallstreet asked. New Yorks economy is tanking and their looking to make it up on the backs of small businesses until they are able to finally force them out.
@sickofitall8486
Жыл бұрын
The tell is to find out who authored the bill. Not the politician that sponsored it, because politicians do not write bills. I recall as Washington state was coming out of their pandemic restrictions, they voted on a bill that dramatically increased the required payouts for unemployment. My guess is Costco had help in writing that bill, as it would disproportionately hurt smaller employers.
@Michael-sb8jf
Жыл бұрын
Who do you think is lobying for bills like this.
@MrRolling15
Жыл бұрын
@@Michael-sb8jf Unions
@sirzorg5728
Жыл бұрын
That's usually the point. The biggest threat to big business is small business, which is why all the wealthy big businesses can unite on fucking over the smaller businesses.
@kingpolo1920
Жыл бұрын
Me: you owe me four years of backpay NY: $125 is the best I can do
@PinkOrangeOrangePink
Жыл бұрын
Whats the difference?
@Gearbhall
Жыл бұрын
If there is anything I've learned from your channel, it is that owning a business in NYC is the worst idea anyone has ever had.
@Dfgbuiiyyyybb
Жыл бұрын
New York City: If You Can Make it Here, You Can Make it Anywhere NYC is a super competitive city and it attracts some of the best talent in the world.
@RicardoSantos-oz3uj
Жыл бұрын
@@Dfgbuiiyyyybb As well as the worst criminals in the world.
@Quadrupliplex
Жыл бұрын
@@Dfgbuiiyyyybb it's driving away all business.
@ss95248
Жыл бұрын
@@Dfgbuiiyyyybbthat may have been true in 2006, not anymore tho
@totallyjonesin
Жыл бұрын
@@ss95248 Might have been true in 1977 when it came out.
@Blackfilmguild
Жыл бұрын
who pays for this lol
@DellikkilleD
Жыл бұрын
the employer? lmfao.
@randommcranderson5155
Жыл бұрын
ultimately everyone in terms of increased prices
@rossmanngroup
Жыл бұрын
The bankrupt employer. My business doesn't have 4 years of pay in the bank for the lowest paid job here. If an ex-employeedid this, we're done. Then, instead of 1 bad technician being unemployed, 1 bad technician *AND SIX GOOD TECHNICIANS* get to be unemployed when we go bankrupt. It's funny because my friend's company's CPA firm literally sent him a link to this bill with the wink wink nudge nudge _"hey if you have any bad performers you were on the edge about, you might want to get rid of them _*_NOW_*_ rather than wait for this to pass"_ If this gets even close to passing, a wave of mediocre people are gong to get kicked to the curb before the employers who tried to do a nice thing and give them a chance are facing 4 years of salary payouts because a braindead state employee whose _"elevator isn't going to the top up there"_ makes a bad judgment call and ruins your business forever. In your heart: forget about me, you don't even have to answer this question publicly. Go to 13:20 or 20:19 - this person has the ability to cost you $320k. You're on the fence on hiring your first employee at your new business - are you going to take a risk on hiring someone that isn't a best friend/family member in this environment? Forget how much you hate me. Put yourself in my shoes for a moment. How does this affect your decision? I got out just in fucking time man.
@JohnWiku
Жыл бұрын
@@DellikkilleD ultimately the customers 😂😂
@MJSGamingSanctuary
Жыл бұрын
@@JohnWiku If you are a SOB in NYC at this point expect most buisnesses to inflate prices by 10x. You thought 5 dollars a loaf of bread was a lot brace for the twitter posts for 5 dollars to become 50. So they can cover the baker the grocery store just fired 🤣
@igooog
Жыл бұрын
All during a peak for small business bankruptcies
@ChrisM78
Жыл бұрын
NY has impeccable timing
@markkocsicska2590
Жыл бұрын
This is about a quick cash grab on that 4 years worth of income tax they might cash in high numbers now.
@M167A1
Жыл бұрын
@@markkocsicska2590 this is a political thing. The party wants European style employment rules. Also remember for them money is something of a fiction so they don't see any reason to not print more. ( Yes this is a horrible oversimplification but it's a KZitem comment typed with my thumbs on the John so there..😊
@pyotrilyichtchaikovskyii6638
Жыл бұрын
Got to reset greatly.
@jonathanturner2433
Жыл бұрын
New York would get there tax money out of that 4 years worth of money
@rossmanngroup
Жыл бұрын
Oh you bet your ass they will.
@InfernosReaper
Жыл бұрын
@@rossmanngroup That's probably what it really is. They'll get "up to" 4 years worth of tax money at once with that one, plus what every tax money they'll get out of the "victim" *if* they get another job. Plus, the state can pillage, er, use the unemployment funds for other "necessary" applications
@mariow7818
Жыл бұрын
@@InfernosReaper Like few mil a month to their family members for scam buissness deals.
@gustavokupcevich7895
Жыл бұрын
Argentina has a similar law on terminations, due to it, there is an industry on labor trials, a lot of unemployment and a lot of places with their owners overworking to serve their customers while saying they can't hire someone because if they turn out to be bad employees it would bankrupt them.
@tessierrr
Жыл бұрын
Youre describing every unionized workplace 😅
@233kosta
Жыл бұрын
@@tessierrr What about the ionised ones?
@233kosta
Жыл бұрын
Lol and people act surprised that Argentina is on the brink of bankruptcy
@adamestrada7610
Жыл бұрын
@@tessierrr I disagree. Unionized workplaces have a surplus of dangerous and incompetent employees that *should* be fired. Businesses in Argentina refuse to hire outright.
@cpK054L
Жыл бұрын
@@adamestrada7610 Not like they can any more with the purchasing power of the Bolivar... i can buy them for mercury dimes
@ducknorris233
Жыл бұрын
A Veteran was fired from Cracker Barrel years ago and it made national news. I remember thinking every restaurant manager is now trying to decide if they should hire vets since they may not be able to fire them like everyone else.
@InfernosReaper
Жыл бұрын
The best part is half the time stuff like that happens, the important details get left out and few care what the *truth* of the matter is
@ducknorris233
Жыл бұрын
@@InfernosReaper good point, the news focused on him giving away company food to the people he thought needed. Apparently he had been warned about doing it before.
@EnderElohim
Жыл бұрын
or maybe they should not able to fire people casually :D
@ducknorris233
Жыл бұрын
@@EnderElohim that does sound nice, I think people also shouldn’t be able to quit casually. Wait that’s crazy
@Ciph3rzer0
Жыл бұрын
@@ducknorris233 yeah, other countries do that, and workers are happy and the economies still function. America is uniquely exploitative and almost 100% at will unless you're in a union or govt job.
@KyleClements
Жыл бұрын
These laws are very pro big business. They can afford this; start-ups can't. Once companies get big enough, they want to kick the legs out from under anyone else before they can become competitors.
@LadyRubyEye
Жыл бұрын
What big business is going to want to pay someone who isn't working for them? Hell, they'd not pay the people that ARE working for them if they could get away with it.
@Hebrew42Day
Жыл бұрын
@@LadyRubyEye they don't. This is part of the global agenda. Have you been into McDonald's lately or Walmart? They aren't hiring more employees for the higher minimum wage. They are paying for automation. Self checkout lanes and McDonald's without any human employees making your food.
@sabinespeed4146
Жыл бұрын
@@LadyRubyEye Big businesses have lawyers on standby so that they won't have to. Small businesses can't afford that.
@Ciph3rzer0
Жыл бұрын
Wow I don't have Facebook and/or don't have boomer family members so I've never heard that /s Not really a point in contention reactionary nonsense, just feel like pointing it out. Chuds say the same thing about minimum wage. This is the cucked dialog tree they've learned from their masters to justify their own oppression.
@badxradxandy
Жыл бұрын
This is a good point.
@ikkuranus
Жыл бұрын
The groaning of that employee gets me every time.
@tactileslut
Жыл бұрын
Elmer Fudd never gets old for me either. "Uuuuh."
@bartscrush5064
Жыл бұрын
I bet the government is incentivized to rule in favor of the ex-employee because they can then collect that tax money.
@PSUQDPICHQIEIWC
Жыл бұрын
You're betting in favor of a trivially obvious fact.
@dakota9821
Жыл бұрын
@@PSUQDPICHQIEIWC Can't really say it's *obvious* when you take the average IQ of people into account.
@PSUQDPICHQIEIWC
Жыл бұрын
@@dakota9821 If you're left to make all assertions based on the capacity of the lowest common denominator, then no statement of merit can ever be made.
@Ciph3rzer0
Жыл бұрын
Do businesses not pay taxes? Well let's be real then, maybe the govt SHOULD rule against them if they're not paying their fair share, especially since they're almost certainly abusing workers also.
@bartscrush5064
Жыл бұрын
@@Ciph3rzer0 Bro wtf are you one about?
@nlysts
Жыл бұрын
This makes me think of a Dutch law that made it nearly impossible to fire someone after 2 years of service. The consequences where that almost everyone below a collage level education got fired after 1,5 years of service.
@Phasma6969
Жыл бұрын
@immetoo2 can you try to make sense if you're going to say something nonsensical?
@condemnedd684
Жыл бұрын
Out of curiosity, does this also apply to the New York goverment employee’s? Or is there a specific exemption for them
@eng3d
Жыл бұрын
Padme: so, it also apply for them. Right? Anakin:.. Padme: Right?
@gauloise6442
Жыл бұрын
Isnt it pretty hard to be fired from a civil service job?
@SevenRiderAirForce
Жыл бұрын
@@gauloise6442 lol clearly. *confused awww*
@33gles
Жыл бұрын
I wonder how many NYS employees were fired for not complying with the covid panic kneejerk mandates? Or.... will they claim they 'weren't forced'.
@tin2001
Жыл бұрын
The government doesn't fire staff for being morons. They just close entire departments and make them redundant, then start a new department and hope they don't get any did employees again.
@zwabTheRealOne
Жыл бұрын
"Failure to recall a cutback" I think is supposed to discourage "fire and rehire", a practice seen in larger businesses where you lay off a bunch of staff (usually on a higher wage or with older, more favourable to the employee contract terms) so that you can hire new people to do the job more cheaply for shittier terms.
@Ifyouwantblood7
Жыл бұрын
Your quoted text is not what the bill actually says. It says, in relevant part, that "Discharge includes [...] failure to recall or rehire AND any other cutback in the number of employees for a legitimate business reason" (capitalization emphasis added). This section merely defines what a "discharge" constitutes under the statute. Rossman got confused and thought that these were the definitions of a "wrongful discharge" and proceeded to rant based upon that incorrect assumption and false reading of the bill.
@cyropox8235
Жыл бұрын
@@Ifyouwantblood7 that's what a discharge is, but that's not the definition of a wrongful discharge which is what the bill penalizes.
@susamekmek3101
Жыл бұрын
@@cyropox8235Employer has consumed the employee's work ability, fitness,... Like say that you are driver and dumping your old car for a newer one. Noone would pay the same for the old one. You used him/her. And every employer would take a younger one for slavish terms. Young unemployment is large enough for this.
@Ciph3rzer0
Жыл бұрын
@@Ifyouwantblood7 so now his descent into reactionary conservatism begins. That's sad, I liked Louis a lot, he was a nice ally in the right to repair space but there's no hope for him now. He just did his red pill video and now this, if he follows the money his audience capture is going to force him into right wing grifting.
@kirbyr558
Жыл бұрын
It will be interesting to see if this applies to all the people that were fired by New York and reinstated by judges because of mandates.
@maweitao
Жыл бұрын
I think employee protections are vital but over-regulation is counterproductive. One of the big reasons why unemployment in Europe, especially amongst the youth, is so high is because of heavy-handed laws like these. The irony is that small companies struggle in this environment and it's only big companies who continue to thrive. Unfortunately, populism means that these policies can never be undone.
@themehguy3936
Жыл бұрын
True, but the legal system in the EU at least offers a failsafe in case of improper requests. In the United States, at least as far as I understand, the legal fees alone would bankrupt a small business. And most businesses in the EU make temporary contracts for new employees until they are convinced that they are doing a good job and only then change to an undetermined time contract.
@pyotrilyichtchaikovskyii6638
Жыл бұрын
Populism my ass, this system doesn't work by design and anybody is hired as a freelancer anyway. Everybody knows this and it's not those pesky bank hating populists that came up with this garbage system whose only point is extracting taxes and sabotaging small businesses.
@exantiuse497
Жыл бұрын
Worker protection laws aren't the cause of unemployment. Germany has unemployment rate of 3.5%, around the same as the US. Germany also has very strong worker protection laws, stronger than many European countries with much higher unemployment rates, and they include severance pay of up to several years' wages' worth (depending on the circumstances of the termination). They don't primarily target small businesses like you claimed though, in fact the smallest sized businesses have more lenient restrictions than big ones. Restrictions on terminating employees combat the biggest source of unemployment which is outsourcing industry to third-world low-pay countries. Germany has avoided this and maintained its industry even though many large companies have bren tempted to move their operations. It's perplexing to me that Americans overreact on this and oppose worker protection rules, given how hard many places in America have been hit by companies moving industry abroad
@NoPantsBaby
Жыл бұрын
320k? No sir.... with interest and benefits. Including but not limited to. Social security contributions. Healthcare and other insurances. Paid leave. You might be owing northwards of half a mil.
@ordinaryhuman5645
Жыл бұрын
Wasn't the New York government the worst culprit of this recently?
@reaperbot5226
Жыл бұрын
a former employer of mine used to boast that they never fired any employees in 30+ years of being in business. partly because they wouldn't take chances on iffy people and partly because if you got hired but they later on found you to be iffy. they would slowly decrease your hours and/or increase your work load until you got to the breaking point. to where you just quit so they wouldn't have to pay you anything.
@davidgoodnow269
Жыл бұрын
The latter is covered in this law by including coverage for employees who resign.
@reaperbot5226
Жыл бұрын
@@davidgoodnow269 ok but in order to resign you typically have to give advanced notice. most of the people who left my old job quit without notice.
@Theaverageazn247
Жыл бұрын
does anyone know if nyc would be guilty of this for firing people for not taking the vaccine?
@lightworker2956
Жыл бұрын
Yep. We're either going to get nuremberg 2.0, or a revolution against the government, or at least a tsunami of lawsuits, once the majority of people understand what's been going on with the clot shots.
@Anonymous______________
Жыл бұрын
So does this apply to all of the civil servants (i.e. police, fire fighters, etc.) who were fired for refusing the clot shot?
@PSUQDPICHQIEIWC
Жыл бұрын
Oh no. That's different, because they're obviously a threat to national security ... or health ... or maybe because they're racists? "Whichever conspicuously lazy lie you like the best, pick that one and internalize it." -- every government press release or statement in the last 30 years
@stalememe3305
Жыл бұрын
This is a topic close to my heart that I get very annoyed about because it's a big problem in Australia. It is *extremely* difficult to fire somebody here, and in some industries the payout you'd have to give the person is so obscene that companies just keep them on while they do little to no work because they simply can't afford it up-front. You know what the end result of this was? People stopped hiring. It's now cheaper to keep on everyone you have and hire temporary contractors when needed. Good luck finding a job in this country anymore in a competitive field because the positions are no longer available full-time.
@dennissebranek543
Жыл бұрын
Yes Louis. You definitely made the right decision to move
@Drazil100
Жыл бұрын
4:56 There actually are industry standards. The industry standard is to tell the customer it can’t be fixed and to send them to the manufacturer to buy a new one. It’s a TERRIBLE standard, but it exists.
@rossmanngroup
Жыл бұрын
If anybody performing to the genius bar standards means I cannot fire them, my god. Epic 4D Chess by apple, if it comes out next week they were lobbying in favor of this legislation!
@LadyRubyEye
Жыл бұрын
@@rossmanngroup You don't think you're being just a little bit hyperbolic here?
@durandus676
Жыл бұрын
I got fired for following instructions, and sitting while recovering from pneumonia instead of standing while waiting on a delivery. Some companies deserve this but I still don’t think this is sane.
@Demopans5990
Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, discharge NDAs make finding not asshole companies hard.
@kenosabi
Жыл бұрын
Who's instructions? Did you have a doctor's note? Because with one you have a chance, but if it's your own self diagnosis? Your losing everytime.
@Jose04537
Жыл бұрын
Yes, but 4 years? Some people will make a bussines out of getting fired. Just like there's a marriage/divorce industry, because it's too profitable.
@thatrawk
Жыл бұрын
@@kenosabiif the company doesn’t provide health insurance, seeing a doctor is crazy expensive nowadays if you don’t have insurance yourself
@uis246
Жыл бұрын
@@kenosabi Doctor's at least.
@davidh9638
Жыл бұрын
Unfair termination: He moved the business out of state.
@SalvadorSTMZ
Жыл бұрын
Lol
@larrybills5840
Жыл бұрын
Imagine 🤯
@orbis17
Жыл бұрын
The employee/employer relationship should be a transparent one in a perfect world, sadly there a many cases where this is just not the reality. I've personally experienced having to take my employer though the fair work commission for unpaid, unplanned overtime and unfair dismissal (when I pointed out the underpaying to my manager, I was sacked). It was a pretty awful experience to have a multi million-dollar corporation try and penny and dime you, then throw your ass on the street. Pro-tip: record your exit interview.
@Bvic3
Жыл бұрын
Yep, that's the point of view that is missing. Employers are not your friend, they are not friendly. Here, we have a KZitemr that acts nice and all. But he's probably far more ruthless with his employees than he admits. And many (most ?) small business owners are ruthless high school bullies. You need that mindset to survive the competition.
@Decayrate-of-Ravn-Rike
Жыл бұрын
@@Bvic3While he may be ruthless to a cocaine addict or people with "avoidable" personal problems -- he sees his employees everyday at work. While i've never met Louis, he doesn't strike me as that kind of ruthless boss. When firms have so many ladders or steps from bottom too the top, with an army worth of underlings, managers and an HR department run by women - things can and will be ruthless. To paint a picture: the boss of your boss tell your manager to fire you - by way of the usual HR woman, who then hover over your shoulder and proceeds with the usual dismissal schtick. This whole process is fueled by the the lack of interaction from the people above with the people below on the corporate step-ladder. Shit sucks
@orbis17
Жыл бұрын
@@Bvic3 yep, my small business is just me and my labour, and bottom line is it's far easier to steal that from someone, than it would be to get 4 years of pay, I guarantee you that.
@Monkeyman12534
Жыл бұрын
Pretty sure your not reading it correct at 10 minutes. Seems like it was defining what a discharge is not saying what a wrongful one counts as?
@robertlawrence9000
Жыл бұрын
Four years of pay is insane!!! If it came down to a wrongful firing, it should go to court to decide.
@asdfdfggfd
Жыл бұрын
LOL, that would probably cost more than simply paying the person 4 years of pay. Even simple easy lawsuits cost $100k+ Litigation lawyers cost $700 an hour right now.
@Dethflash
Жыл бұрын
Yes because NYC is certainly showing the world how unbiased and fair their courts are 🤣
@LadyRubyEye
Жыл бұрын
UP TO four years, not "Must give four years" and obviously it's decided by a Judge.
@robertlawrence9000
Жыл бұрын
@@LadyRubyEye still a lot
@williamnicholson8133
Жыл бұрын
"Wrongful firing" rather ambiguous they would humble any claims of "waycism" because they are getting 4 years of taxes every time someone abuses this .
@acesecure9817
Жыл бұрын
Louis, to help understand the insanity. NYC signed a sister city agreement with China. If big 'sister' say do this it works great in China NYC says great idea! :)
@crisper1614
Жыл бұрын
All of these are the little steps to a slow societal collapse.
@ZAPATTUBE
Жыл бұрын
TRUE!
@ronnydowdy7432
Жыл бұрын
Sounds like New York sucks and only looks out for NEW YORK CITY.
@EEVblog
Жыл бұрын
Escape From New York S01E14
@da4441
Жыл бұрын
If this passes, seems like many businesses would leave NY. Employers could relocate to NJ and CT and still have the same labor pool.
@tasa4904
Жыл бұрын
NJ consistently ranks last in the listing of states that are business-friendly.
@JamesKelly0628
Жыл бұрын
Ross has been Red Pilled by nyc’s craziness
@twdynai
Жыл бұрын
@@schattenlaufer2191 the streisand effect, and this perfectly matches louis’ experience with the nyc government
@darkjemdude
Жыл бұрын
Louis, the thing you're talking about when you mention companies being overly afraid is called the chilling effect.
@Chris_In_Texas
Жыл бұрын
2:30 Hey welcome to Texas and the right to work state. I can recap things here; 1. You can be terminated for ANY reason at any time. 2. Nope nothing more, just see 1. 🤠👍
@breakupgoogle
Жыл бұрын
as a native Texan, im glad u moved here too.
@robotredkitten817
Жыл бұрын
I will make sure to get fired in every job I have in ny. lol.
@batboy555
Жыл бұрын
You are going to have to document issues with workers.
@jessicav2031
Жыл бұрын
Hahaha. At this point Louis knows the timestamp for the "uhhhhhhhhhh" guy off the top of his head. I kinda feel sorry for that guy.
@darknase
Жыл бұрын
Sorry Louis, sure IANAL, nor is english my first language, but I think you are reading this grossly wrong. Going a bit backward here, further down (next paragraph) it says: "Any action under this article must be commenced within 6 years after the date of discharge." Thus: "the employee may be awarded lost wages and fringe benefits for a period not to exceed 4 years from the date of the discharge" means from that date they were discharged, which is to be no longer than 6 years ago, they *CAN* be at *MAXIMUM* be awarded 4 years of wages. Even that is mitigated as it says just the next sentence: The employee's interim earning,[...] shall be deducted from the amount awarded for lost wages" In the above mentioned next paragraph it also says that internal process is to be preferred (i.e. an arbitration clause) and that the employee not using this can be dismissed by the court as it "is a defense to an action brought under this article". Also "This article does not apply to [...] (2) an employee that is covered by a collective bargaining agreement or written contract of employment for a specified period", i.e. setup a proper contract or keep to union agreement. (Yeah, you Americans and unions; go suck a lemon, in every other nation it works). So summa summarum you are liable for wages of whatever time frame has passed, but not more than 4 years.
@gregthebaritone
Жыл бұрын
Please be careful with addressing this woman's calling out the incompetencies of her co-workers. I'm afraid this will somehow get her in trouble. There is nothing the government likes more than punishing competent workers.
@big-smoke-rc
Жыл бұрын
Key part is 'wrongful discharge'. It isn't vague in practice. You admit you don't pay attention to the rules about firing people - you actually take pride in that - but that is your problem. You make out like the rules around wrongful termination are impossible to adhere to. They aren't. Most of them are obvious common courtesy. You read the section defining the word 'discharge' as if it means 'wrongful discharge'. The document is just trying to define individual words for you in a glossary, and it's sent you into a spiral, because you want to be angry. Employee rights are important. You mention 'paid overtime' like that isn't the absolute bare minimum - quite telling really for you to use that as an example I realise that Americans don't get this stuff about workers rights naturally. It's not in the culture.
@claudiodiaz9752
Жыл бұрын
They are working hard making sure no new company opens business in NY and the remaining ones will leave.
@larrybills5840
Жыл бұрын
The bubbles gonna burst soon
@UnluckyFatGuy
Жыл бұрын
And then all the businesses left NYS...
@LTdan457
Жыл бұрын
With the level of bureaucracy NYC implements, you need ChatGPT to figure out what you can and can’t do.
@Frostgnaw
Жыл бұрын
I misread and thought thos was in reference to the wrongful terminations of people who refused to vaccinate and I was so happy to see justice being served, hopefully causing those pos businesses to sink, but then I realized it's just New York being New York and making the worst decisions possible.
@thistleskeptic
Жыл бұрын
What person in their right mind would start a business in NY
@fishclaspers361
Жыл бұрын
Only morons, people who don't know about this and idiots who think this won't affect them.
@larrybills5840
Жыл бұрын
Hipsters
@thistleskeptic
Жыл бұрын
@@larrybills5840 this just increases the incentive for people to get fired. I'm gonna move to NY and get myself fired
@larrybills5840
Жыл бұрын
@@thistleskeptic good luck. You’re health and well-being is just not worth it. You will feel miserable just smelling that nasty NYC air 🤢
@cpzehr
Жыл бұрын
Good on you for the fumigation machine that's something most people would not do bro and like...I mean it just is a big deal thanks for that. I don't do this work but can appreciate that
@SensSword
Жыл бұрын
14:50 so simply promote someone to management for a day, and then you can immediately fire his ass no problem?
@werefrogofassyria6609
Жыл бұрын
I would question, does this apply to all people terminated for the past 4 years, or only new terminations.
@deingewissen_official
Жыл бұрын
This video is sponsored by Don’t visit NYC
@Doc4
Жыл бұрын
Your chapter titles are helping me laugh instead of cry, thanks for that
@JuraIbis
Жыл бұрын
Just don't wrongful dismiss employees. Give them severance packages that are shit (or not) that they sign before leaving. Once that's done you are off the hook for anything because you can always say "they agreed to this" and provide minimum legal benefits. Don't fire people and just let them go on their own. It's what our company did to our IT department (our compensations aren't shit however, it's a good package). Once that's over we'll be completely severed and with no recourse.
@lightworker2956
Жыл бұрын
Sounds great, but small businesses probably don't have the legal expertise or the money to hire a lawyer to set that up. This is a small business crushing bill.
@whatwhat9519
Жыл бұрын
If such thing goes through there always be those people who do whatever they can to take advantage of and scam the system. Giving the rest of use a bad name
@PSUQDPICHQIEIWC
Жыл бұрын
They're banking on it being abused. The state and its keepers benefit just the same. The more people that use it, the more tax revenue they get. The more small businesses are destroyed, the more they can delight in reducing the population to a powerless peasant class.
@HontasFarmer80
Жыл бұрын
You'll just have to give some sort of reason for your firing someone. Give them a warning or two then fire them. Give the warning in writing.
@shakdidagalimal
Жыл бұрын
How to crush small business 101. They want only the giants left. In this way control is paramount and ever present on everyone.
@robbsclassics
Жыл бұрын
This is why we need we the people to check on these politicians.
@Dfgbuiiyyyybb
Жыл бұрын
Companies eliminate positions just to fire people without cause (this usually happens when they’re really lax on reviews). I’ve seen it done before then a few months later they’re hire for the same position. Louis you’re an honest guy so I can understand why you’d rage at this bill but most people or companies are not like you.
@vinnymazzella9723
Жыл бұрын
That a discharge is a "wrongful discharge" must be determined by a jury or a judge in a bench trial, not by a bureaucrat, that's why the money paid to the employee is described as an 'award'. Please see the paragraph starting with 'FOLLOWING ANY VERDICT OR AWARD IN FAVOR' which explicitly references a court and a verdict.
@calculator1841
Жыл бұрын
Oh great, more red tape and court fees! You really tried to fluff this bill, didn't you?
@glenchamusco2380
Жыл бұрын
It isn't that you left NY it's that you closed your NY business in time to save yourself a lot of headaches.
@UrsusMagna
Жыл бұрын
What I can imagine happening is what is becoming increasingly common in my country: Companies create separate legal entities with which they hire people, and if anyone causes trouble, they just shut their "hiring company" down and rehire the employees they want to keep in a new legal entity the next day. Sure, there's more paper work and fees and stuff to do it that way, but then they won't be on the hook if disgruntled now former employees try to stir up anything with the authorities...
@robt8042
Жыл бұрын
Which country is that?
@UrsusMagna
Жыл бұрын
@@robt8042 Sweden
@strangersound
Жыл бұрын
In the U.S., using "temp" agencies for a portion of labor is common practice in manufacturing and other sectors.
@Walkeranz
Жыл бұрын
You dodged a bullet buddy
@mynameismynameyourname6197
Жыл бұрын
large companies are going to start leaving new york.
@danspencer4235
Жыл бұрын
Start? They are leaving in droves!
@bob808
Жыл бұрын
NY will end up with more 'casual' or 'contract' employees. Employees will have less rights/entitlements, and even less job security. At least that's the growing situation here in Sydney (Australia) in customer facing roles.
@tuerry
Жыл бұрын
It might be financially viable for young people with no foreseeable future for themselves to move to new york, get a job anywhere, and then get discharged and claim they wrongfully fired you
@shiftyjedi3417
Жыл бұрын
This is a bad bad bad bill. Edit: You don’t want AI doing this. Trust me there are automated decisions and they often need to be fixed.
@kevtris
Жыл бұрын
when did the videos start getting infected with superchat? it makes it hard to follow the video when there's random sound effects played on top, and wiggling text on top of the video, especially when there's other text being shown. I guess money talks, but cash screams the place down. I can't even finish the video with all the distractions.
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