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@mariaskabardonis8353
Жыл бұрын
The thing about Brigerton is it strongly states it’s not a documentary and I strongly accept as a fun escape. I really loved the romance between George and Charlotte
@jbblue48089
Жыл бұрын
I’m disappointed by the stays/corset slander. Structural garments like corsets and stays were custom made, shaped to perfectly fit the person’s body, had to be broken in gradually over days or weeks, were flexible enough for comfortable range in movement, supportive enough to support even large chests, and allowed for padding underneath to exaggerate proportions.
@FuzzyKittenBoots
Жыл бұрын
It's as if every historical film and TV-show just cannot keep from either remaking or at least make reference to *that scene* in Gone With the Wind...
@marianneshepherd6286
Жыл бұрын
I know what you mean. I was glad to see the chemise/petticoat under the stays. Overall, I really enjoyed Queen Charlotte and hope that it encourages people to engage more with history x x x
@marcelamunoz2668
Жыл бұрын
Although what You say might be true, I think about the Moments I have come to be distressed by the clothes I am wearing while traveling and let me tell you that your own yoga clothes can feel very uncomfortable after a hard long trip, so I can see how there is truth to the corset feeling like hell in this case, a country cross road trip plus the anxiety of a high pressure marriage to a stranger
@ambroseelon9989
Жыл бұрын
It’s such an abused trope
@sierralovat5498
Жыл бұрын
I love that even whistledown had to clarify: This is fiction. Fiction based on fact. Facts: the royals existed. Fiction: bridgerton love story dramas and results Unlike cleopatra which claims to be a historical documentary, this show knows what it is and does a beautiful job at it. A historical fiction peice that empowers people, shows love and oh such juicy drama
@Koki-hc3mw
Жыл бұрын
Cleopatra was not white
@mariaskabardonis8353
Жыл бұрын
Exactly Cleopatra is a documentary where as Brigerton is a fiction fanfiction of history
@ninak1976
Жыл бұрын
@@Koki-hc3mw kleopatra was greek and white. Problem?
@sierralovat5498
Жыл бұрын
@Koki-hc3mw well duh. She was Egyptian.
@sierralovat5498
Жыл бұрын
@@mariaskabardonis8353 lol just like Titanic. Historical fiction
@rodgomola
Жыл бұрын
Even if the 'Moorish' ancestor was black, there were 16 generations apart. I do think the casting of a black actress is no big deal, but let's not pretend that there is really the possibility of the historical queen Charlotte actually being black in any shape or form.
@rodgomola
Жыл бұрын
@@alexisdavidpossom2972 No she couldn't. That's not how genetics works.
@johnkom2339
Жыл бұрын
While it may be technically true that she some black roots, no way she looked "black" as this actress looks. Again it's just Netflix sensationalizing things (like Cleopatra) by making a scandalous interracial love story. That's how they drum up interest in their show.
@georockstar09
Жыл бұрын
@@johnkom2339 It's a fictitious universe. They said so themselves. oi Honestly I think the whole "great experiment" theme is a really interesting plot point. Like, there's a point to it. So, people in the show aren't as nasty and racist as they are today. So what. Kinda nice to watch for a change. Lol "scandalous"
@christopherbrown5409
Жыл бұрын
@georockstar09 why involve real people, though?
@PreppyAnglican
Жыл бұрын
3:23 References Queen Victoria, uses a photograph of Empress Sisi Do👏🏻Your👏🏻Research👏🏻
@earlsinclair9299
Жыл бұрын
Maybe they should add a unicorn to the series to point out it's fiction and take the tension off.
@joyfitzgerald9878
Жыл бұрын
😂
@Mecharnie_Dobbs
Жыл бұрын
2:51 Complaining about her corset, is symbolic of her being modern and feminist. It's not written by someone who ever wore a corset, so it's not literally about corsets.
@MaisonLafitte
Жыл бұрын
Well said. It's such overdone cliche. Corset or rather Stays were as normal to wear in XVIII as bra ai today. All classes including working women wore it. It was actually to help support weight of dress and keep everything on place and smooth the line of silhouette rather then being squeezed. They use that gorset feminist trope even in movies from Jane Austen era when that would be eben more senseless as invisible under empire waist gowns.
@SGNITTEZ
Жыл бұрын
They did a phenomenal job with QC. Surpasses the first two seasons.
@Candy-md1uk
Жыл бұрын
7:35 the harpsichord looks like a piano, that’s a harp (a different instrument)
@vallendior
Жыл бұрын
Thank u! I was thinking the same thing
@JMac7395
Жыл бұрын
People refer to Queen Charlotte as "Black" to emphasize that she wasn't completely White. The better terms to use when describing Charlotte would be mixed background or biracial background. Given that her Moor ancestry comes 1 or 2 generations prior to her conception. I think Charlotte's appearance was more "White Passing" like Mariah Carey, Rashida Jones & Nicole Ricci, as evident by her multiple portraits. I think people are concerned that her Moor ancestry will be swept under the rug again. So they continue to refer to Charlotte as Black instead of Mixed. Because if the term "Mixed" is used one can easily push aside Black/Moor/African out of the picture
@Mila-nr2hp
Жыл бұрын
She kooks to Mariah Carey 😳 in the picture...
@omnipotentfaces1514
Жыл бұрын
IF she had black ancestries they were several hundred years in the past. One guy created this idea based of racist bias readings of two paintings of her, essentially saying ‘she kinda has black features in this artists style’. I love seeing representation on screen but let’s not pretend it’s at all accurate, it’s pure fantasy.
@tflenderson9636
Жыл бұрын
Nicole Richie is a white Latina adopted by Black parents not "white passing" the example I think you're looking for is Sophia Richie.
@JMac7395
Жыл бұрын
@@tflenderson9636 Nicole Richie is mixed woman of Mexican, Black American & White. Nicole has openly stated on national television that she's part Black.
@MissTiffee619
Жыл бұрын
@@tflenderson9636 her birth father is the brother of Sheila E. They have African American and Mexican heritage.
@lorek33perandfriends47
Жыл бұрын
I would love to see your take on the trope “Abduction’s as Romance” (as coined by pop culture detective). Although it’s a problematic trope from today’s lens, I wonder if there’s another side to it, where the abduction functioned as a way to let women express their sexuality in a way where they can’t be blamed for it. Since women would have no control in the matter, it could be a way for them to express sexual desire without stigma. This is just a theory on my part, and I’d love to know if there is any evidence to back it up. I don’t know if you cover things like this, but this trope also appears all over in fanfiction, which makes me think there might be more to it than an abuse trope framed in a positive light.
@AnnJo-gq8gu
Жыл бұрын
I think you're right and that also explains why many women have the "rape fantasy".
@swatisaini6447
Жыл бұрын
Great suggestion. Would love to see this
@WannabeDancer72
Жыл бұрын
Me, a snob: *laughing about the shot of a harp when they mention Queen Charlotte being an accomplished harpsichord player* 😂
@DrustZapat
Жыл бұрын
Hahahaha Joanne Christian Bach?! C'mon, it's "YO-han"
@UnboxingAlyss
Жыл бұрын
I caught this, too.
@georgeprchal3924
Жыл бұрын
They may have abolished the slave trade in 1807 but the actual practice of slavery in England itself was able abolished by the 11th century by the Normans.
@kayalvizhi7611
Жыл бұрын
mad george
@DeeDaKaang1
Жыл бұрын
Am I the only 1 who absolutely loved the show & hope it comes back soon????
@martinocraft2420
Жыл бұрын
Yes
@YonkaiUwU
Жыл бұрын
No
@MaisonLafitte
Жыл бұрын
Yes
@georockstar09
Жыл бұрын
no. 50% votes so far
@palmaleestephens1906
Жыл бұрын
The narrator needs to know the famous musician who is very well known is Johann SEBASTIAN Bach, not Johann CHRISTIAN Bach.😵💫
@antonia9466
Жыл бұрын
Narrator is correct (apart from the "Joanne" pronunciation). Johann CHRISTIAN was Johann SEBASTIAN'S son, and who moved to Britain. Johann SEBASTIAN died in 1750, a decade before Charlotte came to Britain and became queen.
@palmaleestephens1906
Жыл бұрын
@@antonia9466 oh!!! So it wasn’t the famous master himself. It was his son. Thank you for the correction.
@MaisonLafitte
Жыл бұрын
You think you are right but you are wrong. Trying to point out someone's mistake you show your own ignorance as they mention Sebastian Bach's son - Christan Bach and they show his portrait. 😂 You idiot! 😂
@georockstar09
Жыл бұрын
Johann Christian Bach was also a famous musician, I've seen his name in many music books. Don't know his music too well personally but have seen his name.
@eleanornelson5810
11 ай бұрын
And the pronunciation!!!!
@UsiQuotidiani.18
Жыл бұрын
Even if Queen Charlottes had a black Portuguese ancestor it would have at least 6 generation among them, so is unlikely that she would have look black. Still is Brigerton, so we should not be so serious about the topic 😅😂
@wrestlinganime4life288
Жыл бұрын
Yeah but do you expect Hollywood to know how genetics work?
@illizcit1
Жыл бұрын
Irish people enslaved my African ancestors. More than half of my family is very light and th other is med-very dark. Genetics don't dilute. It just depends on what traits are dominant and are passed down.
@Animeyani991
Жыл бұрын
Exactly. But oh well! The actresses did a great job portraying Queen Charlotte. You can tell they both put their hearts and souls into the role.
@neville5555
Жыл бұрын
Fiction in books and movies are all about the « unlikely »… That’s why we like fiction.
@Animeyani991
Жыл бұрын
@@neville5555 and since it's fiction, I need more backstory on Brimsley and his love life! 😭
@kyndramb7050
Жыл бұрын
6:50 Working in mental health, whenever I see these things, it turns my stomach.
@cobrakaier238
Жыл бұрын
As long as people know it's fiction and don't use it as a history book... The issue is they usually do.
@SkippyLaughlin
Жыл бұрын
Yohaan that's how his name is pronounced. That's why people think Americans are ignorant
@katherinealvarez9216
Жыл бұрын
So...when will we get Sophie and Benedict?
@reannagordon
Жыл бұрын
Probably in season 4, I don’t see them doing Eloise’s story yet. I just can’t see her with the Philip guy as of right now. That’s why I’m sure Benedict is next.
@dr.k1012
Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty much living just for that ngl
@RoninRen
Жыл бұрын
1:24-1:32 hmm, yea that should be something The Take could think about for a future video essay, the representation of characters that are biracial/have multiracial background,
@JadedJassy21
Жыл бұрын
That isn't the defintion of biracial. She wasn't Black. Let's stop this.
@muvaofpearl
Жыл бұрын
I wish the jump off point could have been that you could do this with any period piece.Most are just as inaccurate or moreso. It's the casting of mixed race and black people in the parts that triggers racists to go after this show in particular.
@katherinealvarez9216
Жыл бұрын
There's a 53 year difference between the 1761 plot and the 1814 plot.
@SpaceWolf21
3 ай бұрын
I've seen a girl somewhere before online or in real life cant remember where i saw her that looks just like the real queen Charlotte and even though she was not black black she was still very much giving black.
@miriamtam3405
Жыл бұрын
I'd love to see a historical accurate movie about how Queen Charlotte and King George treated their children; the doughters especially. And also a movie about Princess Charlotte 😁🥰
@mak8680
Жыл бұрын
Wait, those the last part mean that she'll die in season three?
@georockstar09
Жыл бұрын
I know! Spoilers!!
@woke_up_on_safari
Жыл бұрын
Princess Charlotte wasn't just "carrying the royal heir," she was the royal heir. Great video overall though
@johnmanole4779
Жыл бұрын
"possible bi racial" how? From 800 years ago?
@madelineg603
Жыл бұрын
No, it is not "possibly true that Charlotte was biracial". There was no black branch of the Portuguese Royal Family. Queen Charlotte was not black, to suggest otherwise is crank history. If Queen Charlotte had truly 'looked black' or had clearly black features in real life, that would have shown up in descriptions and caricatures of the time (which isn't the case... at all). You only have to compare the Gainsborough and Ziesenis portraits to the Ramsay portrait (which is the one most used to support the crank argument that she had black features and therefore must have had black ancestry), to see how little merit there is to it
@omnipotentfaces1514
Жыл бұрын
They also really messed up king George’s illness which was likely bipolar. As it’s fantasy it was fun and the actors did a great job, but the misinformation all over the internet is crazy, people really shouldn’t be learning about history from these shows.
@madelineg603
Жыл бұрын
@@omnipotentfaces1514 Yes exactly! It's fine when it's clearly not meant to be true, but the fusion between fact and fiction in shows like this (and even the Crown, which exaggerates a lot for dramatic effect) can be deeply disingenuous
@o2gappy
Жыл бұрын
@@omnipotentfaces1514 well obviously they're not learning history from a fictional drama smart ass
@georockstar09
Жыл бұрын
of course it's crank history... they said so... Heck, I didn't even think Charlotte was a real person until this video came out so who cares
@sophie7780
Жыл бұрын
calling bach JOANNE is WILD
@alexwixom4599
Жыл бұрын
What's the point of using historical figures at all, just throw me into a new fiction so I don't have to take a confusing history lesson.
@FuzzyKittenBoots
Жыл бұрын
Yeah because that's not what was done with Anastasia again and again and again.
@alexwixom4599
Жыл бұрын
That's lame too. I mean I know any "historical dialog" in the movie is really fiction. Hidden figures had some racial triumph moments that were probably mostly fabricated. But it's not like we made it to the moon because of racial equality, so why not make a movie that shows that virtue of equality instead of forcing it into historical events, just super lame is all.
@susiem.2068
Жыл бұрын
It saves up efforts on story and world building from the writer. It anchors the viewer/reader in the story faster since the writers don't have to bother with detailed descriptions. Understanding the setting relies on the audience's subconscious knowledge and understanding of the world.
@DanyelAzamor-lh7yg
Жыл бұрын
because its suposed to be fun and not a history lesson
@eastharlemqueen604
2 ай бұрын
She was a women of color. Her pictures were whitewashed!! But her features can not be mistaken. But one of her portraits changed her features AND skin color, she didn’t even look like herself!!!!
@SkippyLaughlin
Жыл бұрын
North Africans aren't white. They're like middle eastern people. Tan or brown or fair tan. But not anglo
@shawncarter5434
Жыл бұрын
I mean it’s not supposed to be accurate. It’s fiction
@Cinder1421
Жыл бұрын
I love how this Channel pretends to not be racist
@KiraFriede
Жыл бұрын
Queen Charlotte was German? I didn't know that 😮
@lucasorlando99
Жыл бұрын
Queen Charlotte is a real queen????
@lilithiaabendstern6303
Жыл бұрын
is this a real question? in that case, yes - born Sophie-Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz, queen of Great Britain and Ireland and aunt of Luise of Mecklenburg-Strelitz, queen of Prussia and the mother of the first prussian-german emperor Wilhelm I. - so Charlotte was his great-aunt, and both houses are still alive, the House of Hohenzollern (Brandenburg-Prussia) and the House of Mecklenburg-Strelitz
@WifeMamaArtist
Жыл бұрын
Johann is pronounced YOHAN not Jo-ann!!!!!!!
@kayalvizhi7611
Жыл бұрын
why are people so pressed over a FICTIONAL story that never claimed to be historically accurate in these comments? 💀
@litttlepigboy
Жыл бұрын
lmfaooo fr i thought ppl knew that bridgerton wasnt historically accurate
@greenway912
Жыл бұрын
No thank you, commercial. Lose my number.
@kyndramb7050
Жыл бұрын
What??
@maedoraable1
Жыл бұрын
Another channel hiding the truth.
@Cinder1421
Жыл бұрын
Yessss so true
@Bdog40
Жыл бұрын
Idk.......she's not black?
@user-rc7yj7un7f
7 ай бұрын
She was black stop hating
@MaisonLafitte
Жыл бұрын
Its funny how you all history, music and ligusitic experst are angry about Johann "Jo-anne" when most of you are not even able to pronouce Yves Saint Laurent. 😂😂 correctly.
@nathanembry9245
9 ай бұрын
Blackwashing history
@martinocraft2420
Жыл бұрын
The show is caca
@angiemono8539
Жыл бұрын
This comment section has so many anti-black and borderline comments to stir up culture wars. You omit mention of the 1 drop rule from perceptions about her being white passing which dramatically distorts the outcome of the discussion. She was biracial and so is her actress, they aren't black. Stop conflating the 2
@MelusineWinter
Жыл бұрын
So, where would this "bi-racial" come from? Her lineage is well documented, not a black person in sight for hundreds of years. And that moor ancestor wasn't even black as today's people understand it. This is so desperate and ridiculous.
@angiemono8539
Жыл бұрын
@@MelusineWinter your whole comment is false she has black ancestry on both sides called Nilo-Saharan. Calling all back people moor is derogatory because not all have that heritage. Your comment is so problematic and you think elementary understanding rival's historical fact. Egypt has whitewashed its black history for years.
@kephalosomphalosphalos
Жыл бұрын
Another wokist idiocy
@PT-zz9ks
Жыл бұрын
The same is true for Queen Cleopatra. Her mother was native African Egyptian and thought to have been what we would call Black while her father was not, and yet you took a completely different stance in that video. Which one is it
@alexbennet4195
Жыл бұрын
Native Egyptians aren’t considered “black” by any stretch?
@gabriatus9508
Жыл бұрын
Native egyptians weren’t black afaik
@wrestlinganime4life288
Жыл бұрын
She was Macedonia Greek. Egyptian didn't called themselves black, they specifically made distinction among Lybian, Assyrian, Nubian, Roman and Egyptian.
@georgeprchal3924
Жыл бұрын
The Ptolemys were Greeks who inbred for generations.
@katelijnesommen
Жыл бұрын
Cleopatra very likely wasn't what we could call black, she was Macedonian. There was a dynasty of black (Nubian) pharoahs but that wasn't Cleopatra's ancestry.
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