Revival is the classic case of the frog in the well. He's someone who has at best an intermediate level of experience when it comes to training, but who thinks he completed the game. He fails to realize that someone like GVS is far ahead of him on the bodybuilding board, and that most of the things he preaches as gospel (like this obsession with hitting arbitrary numbers on arbitrary lifts) are mistakes that advanced naturals committed YEARS ago. But because of his ego, he's incapable of learning from other people's blunders, and so he's bound to repeat them. He also doesn't seem to realize that his content is utterly blackpilling, and that the only people who still watch him are young men who gave up on building a good physique and are either looking for an excuse to juice or cope with their failure by making fun of the thing they failed to accomplish. The issue with this pseudo-ironic nihilism is that it's a black hole for intelligence, something that I noticed a year ago when I had my "drama" with the guy: he's so completely intellectually bankrupt that any attempt at having a reasonable discussion will fail in the face of what I can only describe as dishonest incompetence. Still, a worthy response on your part; more than he deserves.
@BasementBodybuilding
9 ай бұрын
His arguments tend to be emotionally driven, which is where logic goes out the window. He projects his insecurities and his own goals heavily on his criticisms of other: “Geoff should be laughed at for being a fake natty, his powerlifting total isn’t big enough to have that size” - he doesn’t trust his ability to understand if someone is natural or not. “Strength training ≠ powerlifting” - agreed… so why does he resort to calling out GVS for being a fake natty, purely for the difference between his physique and his PL total, while completely ignoring his strength on various other lifts? “The rest of the noble natties don’t call him out because they use him for clicks and money” - says the guy that’s sold out to a Keto vape company. He’s projecting here, obviously. “It’s embarrassing how weak some of the noble natties are” - more projection - he’s embarrassed by his own strength levels on the big 3, he can’t comprehend that we don’t care about strength, not to mention I think all of us aside from GVS have or have had a better squat, bench, and deadlift than he’s ever had
@iangraham-white5717
9 ай бұрын
@@BasementBodybuilding Didn't Alex Leonidas bench 405 lbs? When is Revival Fitness going to bench 405 lbs to be throwing all this shade
@fatcat22able
9 ай бұрын
@NaturalHypertrophy Revival really thinks he’s Nanami when he’s actually Haruta 😂 shout-out to my JJK fans in the comments
@jakezaragoza6091
9 ай бұрын
Ego check please!
@iangraham-white5717
9 ай бұрын
@@fatcat22able That still means he will attempt to f*ck up whomever Megumi is (but they will unleash Mahoraga upon him)
@hotdogint
9 ай бұрын
A guy who has a hybrid training style calls out a guy who trains for size for being too big.
@lednevnik
9 ай бұрын
If you disagree with me and are smaller than me you're an ince! If you disagree with me and are bigger than me you're on steroids
@classypotato9255
9 ай бұрын
When you put it like that it's pretty comedic
@noelroga4593
9 ай бұрын
XD
@BasementBodybuilding
9 ай бұрын
And one more thing I wanted to add: he makes sure to make the point that powerlifting and training for strength aren’t the same thing - which is correct. However, he then uses powerlifting numbers to draw parallels between strength and size, which is of course faulty. He says GVS “should be laughed at and called out repeatedly” for being a fake natty. Yet he only looks at GVS’ powerlifting numbers, not his actual strength numbers: overhead extensions and incline curls for example. This is exactly the problem. People will say powerlifting ≠ strength training, but ignore any strong lift that isn’t one of the big 3, isolation work in particular.
@himeshsinghshishodiya
9 ай бұрын
I agree. Natty bodybuilders who are big are strong AF but in a general sense, i.e., in a variety of movements but nah, who cares? We only look at big 3 cause they are the most important bodybuilding lifts and surely have nothing to do with powerlifting.
@kamo7293
Ай бұрын
never throw shade at gvs's overhead extension. that is beastly
@zacharyleao2526
9 ай бұрын
Let's remember this is the guy who entered a Bodybuilding show get last place in novice, all apparently so he can call himself an "athlete"
@m00nkiid
9 ай бұрын
This made me laugh, I had no idea about thisn
@nomongosinthaworld
9 ай бұрын
last place? deadass? lmaooooo
@bloxnbrixgamer61
9 ай бұрын
He should of been alot leaner he was only at 170, but really should of got to 155 lbs.
@tomashorst9544
9 ай бұрын
Wasn't it an open division ie untested? But yeah he looked pretty underwhelming imo
@fatcat22able
9 ай бұрын
Ehh I’m not going to laugh at a guy who went the full distance and competed. Regardless of what his intentions were, and I find your claim dubious unless you can point me to a video that says otherwise, preparing for a show and dieting down certainly isn’t easy. I do think he could’ve done better with more time and development though.
@souviksingh7697
9 ай бұрын
Revival always seemed to have a uptight and condescending attitude and a little bit of superiority complex.
@onetwo8847
9 ай бұрын
Tbf, so does NH. He just happens to be both more intelligent and more likeable then Revival...
@rae5425
9 ай бұрын
@@onetwo8847The difference is that NH makes actual arguments. And help combat problems like drug use, drug abuse, body dysmorphia. While Revival seems to be promoting them now, or at least has taken its side
@onetwo8847
9 ай бұрын
@@rae5425 I mean there are a bunch of differences... and NH tends to be the better side of basically all of them. But yeah, there definitely is still a superiority complex with him lol, I think he'd probably admit that himself tbh
@Mattvei_
9 ай бұрын
He’s “just being real bro” the contradictory nature of the black pilled lifter
@hotdogint
9 ай бұрын
I find NH has firm opinions but goes out of his way to make strong arguments for the other side. For that reason, he has the right to be stern in his convictions.
@gosu2212
9 ай бұрын
I can’t believe people still can’t comprehend that the best way to grow your muscles is…. shockingly… training specifically to grow your muscles.
@iangraham-white5717
9 ай бұрын
Because they invest so much time and energy into improving just 3 lifts that when someone shows them they don’t even have to do the powerlifts they reject it
@BasementBodybuilding
9 ай бұрын
@iangraham-white5717 this is exactly who I was a few years back lol. I used to laugh at my buddy who didn’t do the big 3 and basically told him he wouldn’t grow. Purely an emotionally based view point that fails to think critically about how muscle growth actually works.
@TravisMcGee151
9 ай бұрын
@@BasementBodybuildingYour calling other KZitemrs out is so hypocritical. But that what’s what most of these videos spend their time doing. It’s a sad community, yours as well.
@BasementBodybuilding
9 ай бұрын
How is it hypocritical in your opinion? Just curious
@dennispcgaming
9 ай бұрын
Damn RF is really sounding like Bloho these days
@arcaneknight9799
9 ай бұрын
He's a disciple of Coath.
@Alex55455
9 ай бұрын
He’s making the exact same kind of statements Blaha used to make a long time ago
@CrypticWizard9
9 ай бұрын
Revival's channel has quickly become a place for him to put his own insecurities onto impressionable young guys that he scalped from Greg Doucette. He's been posting a lot of cringy PUA/incel content lately too about women's body counts and shit that totally isn't cherry picked. Yea people sleep around but the world isn't a fucking porno set, and who would want to associate with people living that lifestyle anyway. Evidently Revival wants to do PEDs, bang sloots, and be a pro bodybuilder. He is none of these things, and people with a modicum amount of success greater than him are automatically bad. GVS literally gave this guy a break with the Greg Doucette video and now he turns around and accuses Geoff of being on drugs. Mysteriously Geoff is also happily married, has a great physique, and did it without drugs.
@lazo3251
9 ай бұрын
Yeah and GVS started weaker with worse genetics and he trains a lot harder than Revival especially in terms of volume. If he actually watched more GVS videos then he would know this.
@toddpacker5734
9 ай бұрын
@@lazo3251you’re delusional if you think GVS has worse genetics than Revival Fitness lol.
@PotatoSlices
9 ай бұрын
@@toddpacker5734 did you see how how started, and how slow his process was? GVS had to grind like an animal to get to where he is now physique-wise
@supertrollfaxnoprinter3329
9 ай бұрын
@@PotatoSlices he "grinded like an animal" because he was training wrong and plateauing often. im pretty sure he coined the term "spinning your wheels" from how often he has used it. While anyone can likely reach the level of muscle mass he has, his bone structure is insane. 29 inch waist at 6 foot!!!
@supertrollfaxnoprinter3329
9 ай бұрын
He will grow into a new lord of ments. The next jason blaha.
@rae5425
9 ай бұрын
Can't believe Revival, a full grown adult who's been bodybuilding for years would say you're not a bodybuilder if you don't compete. It's the most childish argument people make when the passion they spent years, blood, sweat working on gets mogged by someone random.
@nomongosinthaworld
9 ай бұрын
it's the lowest hanging fruit he could grab for an argument against the noble natties after getting absolutely ether'd by NH in their debate
@soonahero
9 ай бұрын
Really? He was pretty upfront about it back when he competed in an untested competition
@a_fuckin_spacemarine7514
9 ай бұрын
I collect battle axes and train with them, therefore I am a Viking. Your "heroes" are most alcertainly fake natties. Sorry, not sorry
@vegetasfitnesschannel446
9 ай бұрын
Idk if he came up with that argument or he stole it from blaha. Either way it's stupid
@fatcat22able
9 ай бұрын
@vegetasfitnesschannel446 Hi VFC!! Didn’t think I’d see you here haha, I guess you’re the other notable ments guy in the noble natty community. Happy to see you here man. Idk what it is, but I’ve heard rumors that RF is lowkey becoming Bloho’s acolyte - which doesn’t make any sense to me cuz RF mogs Bloho into oblivion. Maybe RF is aligning with Bloach to position himself against NH’s crowd? Either way it’s sad to see cuz RF was a pretty good channel, and now it seems like he spends more time making strawman arguments about our side.
@fatcat22able
9 ай бұрын
I’ll be forever grateful of RF’s video exposing Greg Doucette for his maingaining hypocrisy - that video was a genuine masterclass in deconstruction. But honestly, I’ve backslid on his content for a while now, and I’ve accepted that my training philosophy just doesn’t align with RF’s.
@iangraham-white5717
9 ай бұрын
"If you want big lats, get a 7 plate deadlift" -RF probably... Like nah bro, there are easier ways to get big lats... Primarily pull-ups
@dilbophagginz
9 ай бұрын
@@iangraham-white5717 He wouldn't say that about lats, but he absolutely would about traps and forearms (which both tend to be lagging areas when doing powerlifting or powerbuilding)
@iangraham-white5717
9 ай бұрын
@@dilbophagginz Yep and my traps started blowing up once I started doing neck extensions (I don’t even do shrugs but I wouldn’t diss them like Revival does)
@iangraham-white5717
9 ай бұрын
@@dilbophagginz Adding intensity (some beyond failure stuff) on rows also helps with the upper back when you fail a row you don’t really fail
@iangraham-white5717
9 ай бұрын
@@dilbophagginz My forearms exploded when I started doing reverse curls (just once per week although now I am experimenting with 4 sets myo-rep match since the frequency is low and I don’t want to rework my entire program yet)
@WiecznieNieNasycony
9 ай бұрын
Powerlifting is under attack jason blaha is under attack he needs your help)
@satyamshrestha472
9 ай бұрын
Hahahahaaaahahaha
@BasementBodybuilding
9 ай бұрын
Additional thoughts: To expand on the 9:08 timestamp: your identity as a bodybuilder isn’t what matters, it’s what your goal is. Regardless of whether you compete, or refer to yourself as a bodybuilder, if the goal is still the same, the optimal training methods will be the same. “You don’t compete so you shouldn’t train like a bodybuilder” is flawed logic, because what if the lifter has the same goals as a bodybuilder? The point comparing the advanced/outlier powerlifters to the teenage early intermediate recreational bodybuilders is just not a fair comparison either. Of course high end, genetically gifted powerlifters on PED’s are going to generally look good! However, if we’re going to compare the high end natural powerlifters to any bodybuilders, it should be the high end natural bodybuilders: a couple guys that come to mind are Brian Decosta, Fabian Farid, Richard Marks, and Adam Powe to name a few. Powerlifters just straight up do not look like this. It takes specialized training to get to that level and reach your potential. Powerbuilding could get you to a decent physique, but why take an inefficient route that won’t last forever, instead of just training for hypertrophy? The arguments against training for hypertrophy always come from the same perspective; critiquing the beginners that focus on the minor details that don’t know how to train hard. The problem here is that we’re attacking the wrong issue: they don’t need to stop training for hypertrophy, they need to learn how to train hard. Stop settling for subpar training methods: push HARD, get comfortable getting uncomfortable in your sets (so corny but incredibly true) and if you have self doubt about your potential to grow, train to prove that wrong. Use that as your motivation, you’ve got nothing to lose. All I want if for guys like myself and the rest of the natty community to be an example of what can be achieved, it’s something I didn’t have not too long ago. I was constantly demoralized, worrying about “the natty limit”, thinking anyone who looked impressive was a fake natty, thinking all competitive natural bodybuilders were fake natties, and thinking I needed to hit these random strength standards to get big. I thought I was at my limit at age 20 with 16” arms because of this. For the beginners out there: you WILL get stronger as you grow. There’s no way around it: this applies to the lifts you train, and will carry over to new lifts to varying degrees. If you are preacher curling 40lbs for 5 reps, as your biceps grow, you will be able to do more reps, then add weight over time. If you train to 0 RIR, your reps will automatically progress over time. Have a maximum rep count you want to hit, and once your reps hit that number, add 5-7.5% weight to that lift, rinse and repeat! It’s ok to not care about strength, but that doesn’t mean you won’t get stronger. Chase size, and the strength will come as a byproduct.
@Damian.Williams
9 ай бұрын
I get what you are saying but as an ex competitive powerlifter I was a powerlifter I train for health now but I'm neither a bodybuilder or powerlifter... You used yourself as an example as a bodybuilder and powerlifter have you actually completed in either sport? Genuinely asking thanks
@Louziaa
9 ай бұрын
this is the best i have heard about bodybuilding
@Abdo.R.Mohamed
9 ай бұрын
I get that Beginners shouldn't worry about minors like "Ooh the optimal illiac pulldown angle to hit my lower lat fibers" when he can't do a single pullup yet , and just have a flat back .. No just remove all that fluff work and focus on the basics and getting stronger , yes Isolate each muscle but with big heavy movements that can be progressed in Strength BUT that doesn't mean we need to go to the other extreme and telling them ONLY do the basics for the rest of ur life .. or to just do the big 3 only till u hit the novice strength numbers then start isolate that's dumb either .. .
@freakied0550
9 ай бұрын
Haven't seen his video, but pulling the fake natty card may as well be throwing in the towel to any argument he may have.
@arcaneknight9799
9 ай бұрын
Hello, Coath.
@BasementBodybuilding
9 ай бұрын
Agreed, good point. To me it seems like he’s thinking that since the “basics” are the most commonly used method, that means they’re the best method, and when someone takes an alternative route it’s a red flag. I think this view is a case of logic being overridden by the desire for conformity. Muscles grow through mechanical tension. It just doesn’t have to be a big 3 lift to get that tension lol.
@arcaneknight9799
9 ай бұрын
@@BasementBodybuilding but Coath said the Smith Machine is a hunk of junk!
@mememachine6763
9 ай бұрын
callback to when Atlaspowershurgged mogged Revival's deadlift lmao
@danielvidalmialoviez5763
9 ай бұрын
It is very funny because according to RF Alex Leonidas was not a "bodybuilder" just until recently, but he was already very, very big. By this logic, anyone with no experience in the gym can make it into a stage, get last and be considered a "bodybuilder" even if they are 30%+ BF. That is simply absurd and no one should take that seriously.
@thomaswilliams1533
9 ай бұрын
He has really big know-it-all energy for someone who has only been lifting a few years.
@DrewNelsonMiller
9 ай бұрын
It’s what has attracted novices to him up to this point, so he’ll keep doing what gets him positive feedback. That’s just human nature unless you actively fight against it, and it seems he doesn’t. In my opinion, he creates an environment that promotes weak minded lifters because of the way he muddies the waters of the opinions he projects onto his audience by playing to their emotions instead of giving actual arguments for them to consider. I mean, look at his entire video responding to NH. All he virtually did was shame his opinions because “he’s on a moral high horse” and call them stupid without actually rebutting and of them with anything except empty moral arguments. And his audience eats it up. He doesn’t Revive Fitness, he just gives sheep another group to flock to for a while.
@sheadoherty7434
9 ай бұрын
This. The false authority, the deepening of his voice, and the weird red pill style videos. An intermediate lifter in his early 20's trying to come across as a guru. Its cringy.
@SamC_182
9 ай бұрын
He did one show and thinks that somehow gives him authority to gatekeep and what not. I used to enjoy some of his content but his know it all attitude is a bit much
@DrewNelsonMiller
9 ай бұрын
@@SamC_182 Truth is, Revival doesn’t have control over what you call yourself. Yes, he doesn’t see the label as bodybuilding valid unless you enter and compete in a federation, but that doesn’t have to apply to you unless you agree with it. I call myself a bodybuilder because I’m focused on building my body, and that’s a disagreement me and Revival have in validity of terms. However, I would remember that one of Revival’s main criticisms of people have come from a disliking in their demeanor, and not their actual content. It’s perfectly valid not to like how Revival carries himself (I don’t personally like it either. Not because he acts like he’s confident, but because I don’t think he backs it up with competence), but I would personally focus my main criticisms in his content instead of how he packages it. It is more productive in my opinion if your goal is to prove he is not a valid source in your opinion. I know I may have over complicated things unnecessarily, but it’s just things that are helpful to keep in mind when critiquing someone so you don’t fall into the same traps Revival does when rebutting people (rebutting with your subjective view on their persona instead of addressing arguments).
@DrewNelsonMiller
9 ай бұрын
@@stirling9776 I completely agree. Being a PED user doesn’t make you morally inferior as a human inherently. If you watch NH’s video, he says this explicitly. The only one making moral arguments was Revival. The only reason people are still under the impression that NH made the argument you thought he did was because Revival conveyed him that way to his audience. Either through dishonesty, or ignorance. Here is what NH said. By “good person,” he isn’t talking about morals. He means someone who makes the choice that is more conducive to a better and more functional life. It’s true in my opinion, and instead of addressing that, Revival painted him as some sort of self righteous, arrogant preachy dude who is coping by painting PED users as morally inferior. NH goes into much more detail if you are curious.
@PBJG5
9 ай бұрын
I like revival alot for calling bs out but its starting to feel like hes a bit upset that ppl like nh or gvs would probably dwarf him irl so hes putting that insecurity onto his audience and calling them fake natties
@Dram1984
9 ай бұрын
I guess I’m not a guitarist because I don’t perform anymore :( brb burning my guitars.
@nfrankiksa4596
9 ай бұрын
same bro, but hey at least you WERE a guitarist. Not anymore tho
@dilbophagginz
9 ай бұрын
And I'm not a snowboarder because I never competed, I'm just a guy who snowboards?
@JohnSmith-ck5qk
9 ай бұрын
The problem is the general argument style of you are not X unless you compete. Like your training is X-style training, your diet is basically organized around supporting your training, your sleep is organized around X, and BB even dedicated his basement to housing training equipment for X. Basically when significant parts of your life are organized around X, you are an X (with X being bodybuilding in this case)
@TelvanniWizardMoneyGang
9 ай бұрын
Well, guess I don't actually play videogames because I'm not sponsored by Razer.
@lazo3251
9 ай бұрын
Yeah it's like saying you're not a gamer if you don't compete in esports. It reminds me of that copypasta "YOU'RE NOT A GAMER"
@agustinrojas3538
9 ай бұрын
In the past I used to have this powerbuilding mentality, now thanks to your videos and many more I realized the way I always wanted to train (pure hypertrophy)
@BasementBodybuilding
9 ай бұрын
Glad we’ve been able to help out. The fact that this statement would get mocked is sad. I just don’t think people realize how big of a difference things like technique and exercise selection make. Especially with average or below average genetics. Enjoy the size gains bro!
@juuso4148
9 ай бұрын
Same here and ive made crazy gains since i started to bodybuild again 9 months ago. Such a short period and still ive got everything and even more than i expected i could build in this short time period. I just added more isolations, stopped doing only 3-5 rep sets on sbd etc. And ive been still able to make strength gains which is better this way because now im also gaining muscle and i can get even stronger than i ever could with the powerbuilding programs i was doing.
@agustinrojas3538
9 ай бұрын
@@juuso4148 yea bro arm gains are crazy
@NattyLegend1
9 ай бұрын
You absolutely can be a bodybuilder, a powerlifter or a tennis player even if you don't compete.
@supremedestiny4956
9 ай бұрын
No you aren’t a tennis player unless u compete globally in tennis 😡😡(😭😭😭)
@weakest_serb
9 ай бұрын
According to these people, you can't call yourself an artist if you have never went to an art competition. Does that make a random 6 year old kid whose parents signed him up to a middle school art competition more of an artist than someone like Picasso, just because he didn't compete? This is literaly their argument. A random 18 year old kid who has been lifting for a year can sign up for for a bodybuilding competition, and he apparently has the right to call himself a bodybuilder more than a natty guy who has been lifting for 15 years, but refuses to compete because he doesn't want to starve himself.
@QWERTY-js6st
9 ай бұрын
Yeah, that's a seriously flawed take. So, according to this logic, you're only a real practitioner if you show up for competitions? That's some next-level sports wisdom right there, for sure.
@anthonychin8610
9 ай бұрын
Someone needs to teach Revival about the No True Scotsman fallacy
@barryallen767
9 ай бұрын
@@weakest_serb wanna know how RF would respond to this
@lightningarrow4486
9 ай бұрын
I think RF is just being a grifter. And big part of his brand is being a contrarian; a cheap way to make himself stand out. If this means he will have to contradict himself and engage in hypocrisy, I think he happily will do so, as long as it makes his channel gain traction.
@fatcat22able
9 ай бұрын
I don’t understand why RF is so intent on dying on the hill of “you’re not a bodybuilder if you don’t compete”. By that logic, you can’t be a basketball player if you don’t do it competitively. What if I play regularly at the neighborhood court? What if I participate in the rec league at my gym? What if I do drills and work on my game to get better at basketball? Am I still not a basketball player? I guess according to RF, anything less than college basketball means you’re not a basketball player. More broadly, if you’re dedicated to a passion and it brings fulfillment to your life, are you not entitled to make that passion a part of your identity? The best steel man argument I can think of for RF’s position is that in his mind, calling people who train for hypertrophy but don’t compete bodybuilders trivializes the strife and sacrifice that competitive bodybuilders go through. And I can respect how much work competitive bodybuilders put in to their craft. But even so, I don’t think that disrespects the dedication of people who step on stage. The thing is, we all share the common goal of training for the purpose of building an aesthetic physique. That goal should not be gatekept by sports organizations that have arbitrary standards, as BB pointed out. And as long as we share that common goal, we can call ourselves bodybuilders - it’s just the descriptor for what we do. I’d hope this is what RF is arguing, because the bad faith interpretation is that RF wants to gatekeep who people listen to. Like, you should only listen to people who have stepped on stage cough cough me. I doubt this is what he’s arguing of course, but you never know.
@dusk6159
8 ай бұрын
It's reasonable for sure if you put it like that The guy who does everything right, cares, watches his training and nutrition etc could be rightfully called that while the guy who just goes there to do some good lifting here and there not. And both do it recreationally and for their body, without any competition (natural or enhanced) for bodybuilding involved. And the first guy could get a great physique.
@lowkick22
9 ай бұрын
Revival added nothing to the debate. It was an entire video of strawmen attacking points no one has ever said. The guy is sub 90 IQ
@DaLordIsBack1
9 ай бұрын
Well, my goal in the gym is mainly to build quality muscle mass, but also take all the extra strength on the side as well. However, I am of the opinion that the main goal of hypertrophy is superior (imo, subjectively, for me) to the main goal of increasing strength, because actually adding real, visible biological tissue to my body (which has the potential to produce more force comparitively anyhow) is more impressive than improving technique or nerve efficiency or whatever, which are all sort of abstract and sport-specific.
@nathanielnorman2265
9 ай бұрын
Well spoken bro, and agreed. Am in the same boat here. Main goal get jacked and stacked, secondary goal see what forces new tissue is capable of producing afterwards
@iangraham-white5717
9 ай бұрын
Literally me, I am not like a bimechanic guru or anything but once I get to a certain number on bench I am ditching that sh*t for incline or larsen press because I literally have never gotten a great stimulus from flat bench (to compensate for this none of my "accessories" are flat presses and I don't use super low reps)
@EmirAssassin
9 ай бұрын
Back when I thought like Revival and I found GVS I literally couldn't believe his big 3 numbers and how jacked he was, it didn't make sense to me. But learning more about pure hypertrophy training it all makes sense now.
@KurokamiNajimi
9 ай бұрын
None of his numbers are low and he still does benching and squatting variations
@alexbrookma
9 ай бұрын
@@KurokamiNajimi his pushing seems pretty low, esp considering how beefy his upper body his. His leg movements are def strong tho, especially his deadlift/DL variations
@KurokamiNajimi
9 ай бұрын
@@alexbrookma His chest is lacking even he has said this a few times also we gotta keep in mind he has been referencing that 250 bench for a while now. Last time I saw him referencing benching on Insta he said 210 for 12 and that was before he finished his big cut I know I’m this space we usually just reference GVS, NH, and BB as the guys who quote on quote only train for size but there’s other mainstream real naturals like Will Tennyson, Jesse James West, Bret Mossing (though his channel isn’t that big), Alex Eubank, etc. GVS is one of few who are arm dominant pretty much all of these guys are torso dominant. But strength or should we say “strength” comparisons don’t really matter there’s too many variables best to just worry about your own progression
@EmirAssassin
9 ай бұрын
@@alexbrookma he's strong on pulls bc he has leverage but not as strong as you would think somebody his size would be
@iangraham-white5717
9 ай бұрын
@@EmirAssassin Straight up (no disrespect to GVS) I am using almost as much weight as him on RDLs but I am wearing a belt to be fair and I am not pausing for a full 2 seconds at the bottom
@fleshmotorcycle9427
9 ай бұрын
Revival kinda reminds me of some of the things I’d read on Reddit in my doomer days during Covid, he sort of just seems like one of those overall negative people who think they’re objective because they have harsh opinions
@pm-yp5ri
9 ай бұрын
Man I wish Revival would just focus in his goals and not start beef with bodybuilders. Would probably be better for him too.
@AlexA..87
9 ай бұрын
Had to load the video on the ol PC. Thumbnail pic was way too wide to load on the phone, error messages and whatnot. Please try to be less jacked in the next picture. Ty.
@SaturnReturns
9 ай бұрын
Deep ranges of motion, using lifts outside of the big 3, pauses, and controlled eccentrics totally transformed my physique. I got weaker initially but in the long run I am way stronger and wayyy bigger. I don't understand why the powerlifting/powerbuilding motivated people can't understand that we are simply seeking exercises from a disadvantageous preset whereas in powerlifting you are trying to optimize every little thing to give yourself an advantageous preset.
@KurokamiNajimi
9 ай бұрын
Caring about strength doesn’t mean you do this or that someone who cares about putting up the biggest number always performs the easiest version of the exercise
@The-Blurst-Of-Times
9 ай бұрын
All things considered, RF has a pretty solid physique and I think if you just took a lot of Revival's actual opinions in a vacuum, they're not necessarily wrong or even that different than most of the Noble Natty opinions, but he never does himself any favors by constantly attacking others and just being kind of an asshole in general. It's possible he's just doing some heel wrestler act, but like they say, Poe's Law and all that. Anybody who really sits down and thinks about the way he argues will quickly see that his bread and butter is ad hominem attacks, and when he isn't doing that, a lot of it is strawmanning, circular or just exhaustive arguments. Keep in mind this is the guy who significantly blew his channel up a few years back by going on a 2 hour tirade against Greg Doucette, which don't get me wrong, is totally justified and that video is still pretty great, but you can see the seeds of the way he constructs his arguments even all the way back then. When you look at his actual arguments, for example that you never know if someone's on drugs or not, and that someone having a shitty physique doesn't necessarily mean they aren't on something...okay, I guess? That's completely exhaustive and it's like he doesn't understand that by that logic, I can also accuse him of being a fake natty, so the argument is a complete wash. He just uses it as a way to dismiss others and not really engage with what they're saying. Then you have him accusing GVS of being a fake natty, which...again, saying "you never know" isn't helpful to anyone, and his argument is largely a circular "he's a fake natty because he doesn't use established strength standards to build his physique" "we know people who don't use established strength standards to build their physique are fake natties". Don't think I need to bother pointing out examples of his tendency for ad hominem and strawmen on top of those, but a lot of the way he argues is like he's posting on 4chan or something. This doesn't even address the fact that he's often just a really condescending and rude person in general, which doesn't make him wrong, but it's the cherry on top of all of it.
@sheadoherty7434
9 ай бұрын
This is what happens when an insecure late novice lifter starts a youtube channel to teach others about lifting.
@The-Blurst-Of-Times
9 ай бұрын
@@sheadoherty7434 Late novice is a bit harsh I think. Giving credit where it's due, he's at least well into intermediate given his 3 plate bench. Some might even place that as early advanced. Social media has definitely warped most peoples' views on what is typical because most people will rarely (if ever) see a 3 plate bench in their local gyms. Nevertheless, it's a wild ride if you go back and watch a lot of his earlier videos, because he comes across as a pretty humble guy in his earlier videos. I think he eventually just realized that dunking on others earns him a bunch of views, so he's just playing into that (though given a lot of his red/black-pill adjacent content I really wouldn't be surprised if this is just how he genuinely is).
@sheadoherty7434
9 ай бұрын
@@The-Blurst-Of-Times when I say he was a late novice I am referring to when he started the page. He's early intermediate now
@Dram1984
9 ай бұрын
The absolutely mogging he got from the Frenchman has destroyed him. Press F to pay respects.
@himeshsinghshishodiya
9 ай бұрын
F
@tommymecousinlostmecar4165
9 ай бұрын
NH destroyed him so hard, he's still crying about it months later lmfao
@comeo325
9 ай бұрын
Revivals audience is like 95% novices, or more than other channels. Those are the ones who need to hear his bulking message. Plus, he’s more comfortable being fluffier when bulking than other advanced lifters in this community, and those types of guys have a soft spot for Starting Strength and the like who have disdain toward training for the sole purpose of aesthetics, or they lie to themselves and are “strength copers”, as NH would say.
@fastedwarrior7353
9 ай бұрын
Strength copers? Thats a new one.
@volkerpaulwilhelm1482
9 ай бұрын
@@fastedwarrior7353 It really isn't...
@fastedwarrior7353
9 ай бұрын
@@volkerpaulwilhelm1482 I just never heard anyone say that especially not NH.
@volkerpaulwilhelm1482
9 ай бұрын
@@fastedwarrior7353 I guess you are new then.
@fastedwarrior7353
9 ай бұрын
@@volkerpaulwilhelm1482 Yeah I am new here. I do look at noble natty content but still don't know everything I need to know it seems.
@RSuave545
9 ай бұрын
Revival’s argument: If you have 17”+ arms your a fake natty. Powerlifters have better physiques.
@nomongosinthaworld
9 ай бұрын
he called GVS a fake natty in the comments of that video lmao, saying how it's fishy that he looks like he does with his strength numbers
@Your_Daddy21
9 ай бұрын
LOOK AT GVS arms it realy look 90% not natty
@nfrankiksa4596
9 ай бұрын
he's just jealous I guess and because GVS has called him out a couple of times too lol
@Abdo.R.Mohamed
9 ай бұрын
"He got a Weak Bench Press numbers , i don't get how he got this massive triceps" Ehmmm ye that's why his Chest is lacking while he got good numbers on Triceps movements Strength wise hence his massive triceps .. "No BUT his Bench sucks tho .. so how could it be possible for him to have huge triceps , i don't get it" -Average Powerbuilding mindset , "SBD the only lifts that matters"
@nomongosinthaworld
9 ай бұрын
@@Your_Daddy21 they are indeed some of the best arms I've ever seen on a non-pro but his numbers on arm isolations absolutely back it up. he consistently does the full stack on overhead cable extensions, sometimes with extra dumbbells stacked on top, like 24kg+ DBs on incline curls, close grip bench around 120kg for reps I think and he has stated that he is extremely arm dominant to a point where he has trouble not feeling his long head on pulling movements, it adds up imo.
@BasementBodybuilding
9 ай бұрын
Yea that was sad to see tbh. And revival has a decent physique too, he should absolutely know GVS is natural. Not to defend GVS at all costs, he just has all the signs of being natty. Classic case of “he doesn’t do the big 3 so he doesn’t train hard” which is quite literally what I used to say about guys like him. It’s extremely demoralizing to any lifter who isn’t quite advanced yet. That’s the reason I gave up on bodybuilding and switched to powerlifting years back. “You hit your natural limit” “Your genetics determine everything, how you train doesn’t matter” “All your goal physiques are fake natties” Why promote this stuff? Regardless, I’m glad I made it through, and have a platform to help anyone out in a similar situation to myself a few years back.
@glennnolasco6892
9 ай бұрын
*Hates on Greg Doucette and AthleanX for being clout chasers and weaponizing their fanbase to hush and silence supposed "haters" *Is now like Greg being an annoying guy with superiority complex yapping just for the attention, sponsorship, and KZitem monetization
@glennnolasco6892
9 ай бұрын
I won't be surprised, dude sold out since his time in LA and has now turned heel just to keep himself well-fed from oats and eggs
@Billy_MacBilly
9 ай бұрын
I completely agree
@seanmitchum8179
9 ай бұрын
By Revival's standards, Sam Sulek is not a bodybuilder because he doesn't compete or currently have plans to. He clearly didn't put much thought into many of the statements he made in this video.
@soonahero
9 ай бұрын
I mean, he’s not
@seanmitchum8179
9 ай бұрын
@@soonaherohe literally is though. He lifts weights for the sole purpose of hypertrophy. What exactly would you call that if not bodybuilding? I'm genuinely curious.
@seanmitchum8179
9 ай бұрын
@@soonahero"a person who regularly plays video games is not a gamer because they don't compete. A person who regularly runs is not a runner because they don't compete. A person who regularly paints is not a painter because they don't compete". See how utterly ridiculous that sounds? Just because someone doesn't do something professionally does not mean they aren't that thing. It's an outright dumb thing to say.
@soonahero
9 ай бұрын
@@seanmitchum8179 same reason he’s not a biker when he bikes, or that he’s not a hammer thrower despite benching, or that he’s a sprinter because he sprints for the bus. (Is everyone a runner? If not, why is everyone that hypertrophies a bodybuilder) These are just human traits. Going through puberty does not make you a bodybuilder He’s just exercising. He currently exercises basically identically to become a sumo wrestler one day, wouldn’t call him a sumo wrestler either. Your gaming example is close. If exercise helps with video games with reaction time, does exercising make you a gamer? What about the exercising guys before video games
@lednevnik
9 ай бұрын
@@soonaheroyou don't take specificity into account in any of these examples. If you would add well thought out programming and concrete goals would your argument still make sense in your head?
@Mattvei_
9 ай бұрын
A very logical debunking. However I have one extremely potent counter argument: Cope
@BasementBodybuilding
9 ай бұрын
That’s my favorite one, coping because we’re “weak” lmao If only there was a YT short about this…
@lednevnik
9 ай бұрын
I have counter-counter argument: Bloho
@thischannelhasanameright1954
9 ай бұрын
I changed my mind over time about recreational lifter labeling himself as a bodybuilder. When people ask me if I work out, I anwser simply with: yes. I don't call myself a bodybuilder, because I know from perspective of a person asking the question, they would assume then that I compete. There is no shame in admiting that you are recreational lifter, if you dont even want to compete, but if you also have a need to from philosophical perspective present yourself on youtube as a bodybuilder, that is also ok. Visual affirmation on media is enough today to label you as one, without competing and getting to below 10% body fat.
@egil9859
9 ай бұрын
So if I golf I’m not a golfer unless I play competitively If I fish I’m not a fisherman unless I do it competitively If I play soccer recreationally I’m not a soccer player
@Croissantrophy.meme.channel
9 ай бұрын
But being a recreational lifter can mean different things. Yes, non lifters don't care at all, but you can be a recreational lifter that lift for size, strenght, olympic lift, crossfit... saying "I'm a bodybuilder" is just a way of saying "I train to be big specifically" that is different from a recreational lifter that has another goal. Just saying I'm a recreational lifter is like saying "I play sports with a ball" ok...? That's too general. What sport? Football? Basket? Voley? That's why we say "I'm a bodybuilder" So you inmediately know the style and the goal.
@thischannelhasanameright1954
9 ай бұрын
@@egil9859 Just imagine someone makes a wikipedia article about you. If you play tennis in free time, would it say "a tennis player". Or you are really great at doing pancakes. "A very good pancake master man.
@thischannelhasanameright1954
9 ай бұрын
@@Croissantrophy.meme.channel As I replied to other dude, imagine you are making yourself a legit wikipedia article, what would you label yourself, PROFESSIONALLY. That's just how most people look at things. One example: Gina Rodriguezz American actress that does boxing AS A HOBBY. But guess what, she is directing a movie ABOUT BOXING. She turned her hobbi passion into her profession, A MOVIE.
@Croissantrophy.meme.channel
9 ай бұрын
@@thischannelhasanameright1954 my Wikipedia page will 100% include "Master Pancake Man"
@rihards1767
9 ай бұрын
I literally replaced Barbell back squats with hack squats and barbell bench for smith bench and various machines 12-14 months ago. Coupled with slight caloric surplus, my quads and chest have finally grown, but what's funny, is that im much stronger at Barbell back squats and bench than I was back then when i literally was spamming only 'mUh BaSicS'. I tried bulking with powerbuilding style programming and got fat. When i stopped giving shit about SBD numbers, not only i got bigger (which was my primary goal), but i got stronger aswell on basic SBD. When i tried benching after some time, i felt that i needed 2-3 weeks to get used to the technical aspect of the lift.
@KurokamiNajimi
9 ай бұрын
Would you say training for hypertrophy is the better way to get as strong as possible
@iangraham-white5717
9 ай бұрын
Literally describes my conventional deadlift, maybe I will bite the bullet and replace flat barbell bench press with incline barbell press and dips
@epatollecrm
9 ай бұрын
Has to be so frustrating to hear some of these arguments when you yourself are the counter-argument.
@dusk6159
8 ай бұрын
On the bodybuilders/weight lifters definition too. Attitude-wise, with the work, knowledge, attention etc put and even the content created, and the coaching, the competing to being a bodybuilder argument might find the main flaw here. It would be hard to call many guys not bodybuilders just because they don't compete and don't engage in the posing skills, lighting skills etc. Despite the guys competing being the bodybuilders that should be seen/the more prevalent example among the bodybuilding population.
@BonytoBeastly
9 ай бұрын
Well said! As someone who trains for hypertrophy but doesn't consider themselves a bodybuilder, it was helpful to hear your definition and defence of it. You made many good points.
@jacksutton4982
9 ай бұрын
Revival fitness is like bald Omni man if he was less jacked. And less charismatic. And less entertaining.
@tommymecousinlostmecar4165
20 күн бұрын
and more dumb
@therustedshank9995
9 ай бұрын
I've never really watched Revival Fitness, but something that really stuck out to me from the clips is how he constantly uses "you guys" to aggresively refer to the viewer. Being rude and condescending to your own audience of all people is the telltale sign of an asshole.
@supremedestiny4956
9 ай бұрын
How does this 20 something year old revival fitness guy seem like a bitter 40 year old
@fatcat22able
9 ай бұрын
The theory that Jason Bloho is in his ear becomes more and more credible with each video
@supremedestiny4956
9 ай бұрын
@@fatcat22able now you see
@aggelos__sw
9 ай бұрын
I wanna step up and tell my personal experience with this power building training. I was training PowerBuilding and street lifting for 5 years but arms were stuck at 16 inches for too long. Then i switched to bodybuilding workouts and last year i achieved 18 inches 46 cm on right arm so the argument again is false
@KurokamiNajimi
9 ай бұрын
That’s not powerbuilding vs bodybuilding that’s your old program vs your new one
@aggelos__sw
9 ай бұрын
I switched intention, not a program.
@KurokamiNajimi
9 ай бұрын
@@aggelos__sw So you did the same exercises but changed execution?
@aggelos__sw
9 ай бұрын
@@KurokamiNajimi yeah, on most of them. I still perform squats pull ups and dips but i do slow negative and i try to execute movement in a way that targets thr muscle I want to hit. I also incorporate other exercises though. Im looking forward for a Smith and leg press machine for a better sfr.
@KurokamiNajimi
9 ай бұрын
@@aggelos__sw Main 2 points I have are it’s not anymore/less impressive to say so a 365 larsen press vs 405 conventional bench or x lower number of a slow tempo long pause larsen etc And if your goal is to get as legitimately strong as possible you’d benefit more from performing exercises for hypertrophy bc it boosts strength potential. Plus there’s carryover unless you completely ditch any similar movement pattern
@catmansion
9 ай бұрын
I'm so glad I got into the bodybuilding scene (and the fitness scene in general) by finding NH. Before that, my only exposure was watching parkour videos. I did gymnastics and martial arts as a kid and then got deep into nutrition but only started really paying attention to strength and hypertrophy a few months ago. Every time I see the y'all responding to people (especially from other platforms, as I only use YT) it always takes me by surprise how much more reasonable y'all are. EDIT: Just got to the part where dude says "name 5 people" ... and then goes "but even if you DO manage that you've only named 5 people". Moving the goalpost for your own strawman is a pretty incredible feat of mental gymnastics.
@rileyjordan8114
9 ай бұрын
Your ideas about hypertrophy have radically changed my approach to training in the last year and I have seen a clear improvement in my speed of growth. I’m approaching 3.5 years of training now and I am growing faster right now than in my second year. I’ve seen a lot of KZitem content about lifting, but in practice, the advice of the “noble natty” community has been the most effective for adding size, particularly your (some would see as extreme) indifference toward strength numbers. You and other similar channels are way ahead of the common practices prescribed to natural bodybuilders.
@iangraham-white5717
9 ай бұрын
Literally the same, the more I dip my toes into this approach used by Basement Bodybuilding and to a lesser extent Geoffrey Verity Schofield the more my gains either accelerate or remain steady (which is good if you make the same gains each month because that means your process is improving so much you are defeating your myostatin)
@daniell5751
9 ай бұрын
I don't know how anyone can stand listening to that channel. That fella is very arrogant, he thinks he has so much knowledge, but he can't translate that into his shape, because he doesn't even seem to lift heavy, he has skinny arms and legs, it's just torso and head
@ChadAV69
9 ай бұрын
LMAO TORSO AND HEAD 😂
@naughtiousmaximus7853
9 ай бұрын
You described Natural Hypertrophy very well lmao
@moreassmoregas
9 ай бұрын
@@naughtiousmaximus7853 Except NH's arms and legs are not skinny lol.
@naughtiousmaximus7853
9 ай бұрын
@@moreassmoregas His head is all ego tho
@moreassmoregas
9 ай бұрын
@@naughtiousmaximus7853 Ur not wrong, he's also arrogant but he does give good advice (most of the time).
@fatcat22able
9 ай бұрын
33:28 Correction, Blahino does not have 16 inch arms - there’s no way those noodles are above 13 inch arms lmaoo. The ments addicts know, we always know
@vegetasfitnesschannel446
9 ай бұрын
Man, you're a super patient dude. What standards is he saying that's unobtainable? Don't most of you have arms between 17-18 inches? Many of us have/had 17 inch arms just training recreationally. Definitely don't get dragged into the mud slinging dude. I think you're a sensible voice in this entire pissing match. Also his not a powerbuilder/bodybuilder is stupid as saying someone who has trained MMA for years but hasn't done a match isn't a fighter. I use to be ambivalent towards this guy but he's a total tool. Also there needs to be a bear mode natty bodybuilding competition to show what true chads look like. Keep up the great work brother!
@Beutings
9 ай бұрын
Yeah, man. I'm not a gamer. I'm just some guy who is enthusiastic about video games. Lol
@majinzanza
9 ай бұрын
Not being able to call yourself a 'body builder' or 'powerlifter', just because you don't compete is definitely gatekeeping lol. Now being a 'competitive' vs 'recreational' bodybuilder/powerlifter sure.
@dilbophagginz
9 ай бұрын
It's just a totally boring semantic argument at the end of the day. "Bodybuilder" "recreational lifter" who gives a FUCK
@chrischairamonte1064
9 ай бұрын
True bodybuilding is an art . It doesn’t necessarily have to be competitive.
@fatcat22able
9 ай бұрын
48:03 RF: “He goes on to name the basic template of Starting Strength. He’s like squats, deadlifts, bench press, pull-ups” Hold up, if we’re talking about Starting Strength, didn’t Mark Rippetoe famously say that you shouldn’t care about training pull-ups until you get a 600 lb deadlift? RF doesn’t even understand the philosophy of the program he’s defending lol.
@iangraham-white5717
9 ай бұрын
I started off doing StrongLifts which is a lot like Starting Strength, it got me really good gains for 3 months then it all tapered off and rather than accept the fact that minimalism doesn't get you far I stubbornly continued to only focus on the big 3... Worst mistake I ever made, the back gains I have made in the past 4 months absolutely mog the back gains I made during my entire first year of training (thanks to pull-ups and chin-ups) and I dropped conventional deadlifts as well as bent-over rows
@iangraham-white5717
9 ай бұрын
If one is to set strength standards they should also apply them to what GVS calls "tracker lifts" (i.e. stable or somewhat hard to mess up exercises)... If you increase your bench press it could be the result of pec hypertrophy but it could also be the result of shoulder and tricep hypertrophy, if you increase your pec deck, hammer strength chest press, or even incline dumbbell press by 1 rep or 5 lbs it is 100% the result of pec hypertrophy
@lazo3251
9 ай бұрын
Back when I focused on numbers, my numbers were better but my measurements were lacking. Like for instance, I could squat 175 lbs for 8 reps and my legs were as small as when I could barely squat the bar. This was on 5x5. Then I did a lot of hypertropy training for like 5 months and my legs grew a lot even though I couldn't even squat that much anymore. Also, it is ironic he calls you a fake natural when he is actually defending real obvious fake naturals and promoting steroid use and calling naturals copers. He clearly sounds like the impressionable teenager who will eventually start his first cycle, if he hasn't already.
@Gigaflare8822
9 ай бұрын
Late to the party, but I want to say thanks for helping me and lot of people realise that strength on the Big 3 isn't nearly as important as people say it is for hypertrophy, and for helping people connect with what they care about the most in the gym. I still care about strength, but the main thing that got me into the gym was looking bigger.
@JakeSemeniuk
9 ай бұрын
RF generally talks about DYELs or brand new lifters who weigh 150lbs. Power building is a great method for those guys anyway. 198+ powerlifters would mog a lot of natty BBs in areas like back, traps, legs.. but guys like GVS are the exception and not the rule
@nfrankiksa4596
9 ай бұрын
apples to oranges
@JakeSemeniuk
9 ай бұрын
@@nfrankiksa4596 I agree I’m just putting into perspective that he typically targets noobs, whereas GVS and these guys have a lot more nuanced approach and opinions for intermediate/advanced naturals
@theiceman7590
9 ай бұрын
Only reasons they mog is because they have an abundance of fat on top of some muscle in the prime movers. Secondly normal dudes that just want to get big skip a lot of leg, trap, forearm and other muscles which is why they get mogged by SBD cultists as they are forced to work those muscles. If bodybuilders applied the same effort to those muslces as every other they would mog powerlifters.
@JakeSemeniuk
9 ай бұрын
@@theiceman7590 oh 100% they skip those big movers. You can see the 70s powerlifters were the same size as the 70s bodybuilders, and even bigger with that fat on them. Obviously not as proportionate, but They were all training similarly around that time with heavy compounds and tons of hypertrophy work
@benamitchell
9 ай бұрын
I'm someone who wants to compete in bodybuilding myself, but I've always found the argument that "you can't call yourself a bodybuilder unless you compete" absolutely ridiculous. I think it comes from the personalities that gravitate towards competitive bodybuilding. Tends to be people with an extreme mindset who view themselves as "hardcore" and I think there's almost an exclusivity to it: I'm better than you because I'm willing to do whatever it takes (even if that thing is objectively unhealthy as you say). I will add, I think this mindset is a lot more prevalent in those in the enhanced world. I think competitive natural bodybuilding is a lot more inclusive and welcoming of a community and I've actually never heard that argument from someone I respect. Personally, I think you have to be a little messed up in the head to intentionally starve yourself to critical body fat levels, but I also love challenging myself in ways I didn't think possible. I think the ridiculously shredded look is cool in that "wow this is like looking at an anatomy chart" type way. But I can completely understand why people think it's gross and weird. I think whether you compete or not doesn't matter, it's about finding common ground and shared interests in the pursuit of creating whatever physique you aspire to have. Lifting each other up rather than tearing down.
@BasementBodybuilding
9 ай бұрын
S tier take. I absolutely appreciate and respect competitive bodybuilders, and learn from them too. I think it’s just as valid to say the standards for what bodybuilding is have been tainted by chasing the extremes to an unhealthy level. To make the argument that what bodybuilding initially was doesn’t exist anymore, yet you still need to conform to the new standard to be a bodybuilder, is a bit odd.
@benamitchell
9 ай бұрын
@@BasementBodybuilding good points. I do wonder if I would find it cool if that wasn't the current norm, it's always difficult to know how we've been influenced without even realizing it.
@theiceman7590
9 ай бұрын
I dunno man. Does playing football (Im sorry SOCCER) on the weekends make you a football player? I like you guys but I wouldnt describe you lot as bodybuilders if I were to tell someone else who you were (not necessarily because you dont compete btw). I also dont consider Jake Paul a boxer just because he had some pro fights lol.
@vrj8791
9 ай бұрын
08:40 So if I play basketball in an amateur basketball team but I don't participate in any tournaments, I am not a basketball player? Even if you argue that I am not a basketball player, am I not playing basketball? When I do everything a bodybuilder does, even if you don't consider me a bodybuilder, am I not doing bodybuilding?
@satabdeesahoo
9 ай бұрын
ok on a serious note: i think you gave a perfect reply to revivals argument. my take: dont compare to others because there are a lot of variables and people can come with some form of counter example. but you repping strict curls at 100 lb will have bigger biceps than you repping 55lb. for me switching out powerlifts with other exercises is a far better choice because i train full body 3 times a week and i would rather superset good morning and latpulldown/pullups than do a set of deadlifts. also one more point revival said that big bench = big chest and tris , big dead= big posterior chain etc. but what abt forearms calves rear delts . people who put exercise at the end of workout tend to skip them(including me). past 6 months i have superset back squat with calf raises when i opened my workout or did a giant set of barbell row ohp calves(inspired form brian alsruhe who does bench barbell row and abs superset) and my calves which were not increasing in size for the past 1 year gained about 0.75 inch. i see this as a win. yes one more thing (i havent completed 2 years of training yet started mid jan 2022)
@carlicbread8199
9 ай бұрын
Regarding revivals argumentation and the following discussion it could be added that gvs is freakishly strong on lifts that aren't the big 3, for example in a old video he casually mentioned doing 70kg triceps Extensions, hes freakishly strong when he wants to
@GVS
9 ай бұрын
I should clarify that: after a while (after making that comment) I realized the pully system wasn't quite accurate or the stack wasn't correctly labeled, because when I changed gyms I was down to around 40-50kg for pushdowns.
@axoltl1
9 ай бұрын
@@GVSFWIW with this whole 'GVS is weak for his size' thing a lot of it is because you always say your 1RMs aren't that high, which is true. Like I think you said your best 1RM bench was 250 or something and then people use that as evidence of being weak. but pretty sure you can do high reps with moderately heavy amounts of weight, which is also a form of strength that people should consider. Like for example, I'd be curious to know what your rough rep PR is for benching 220 for example? If someone can bench 220 for say 15+ reps with bodybuilding style form, they're gonna have good development even if they never did 315 for a 1RM.
@miso5968
9 ай бұрын
43:00 feels like he's talking about NH's exercises tier lists, or some roidy and mutant thumbnail from BOM
@joeleelillbitt7715
9 ай бұрын
Revival is still a tool lol. If I go swimming everyday why can’t I be called a swimmer? Do I need to compete? Hell I drive every day but if I don’t compete in NASCAR I guess I am not a driver
@brandon0271
9 ай бұрын
from what I remember GVS's powerlifting total was 330lb(150kg) squat, 254lb(115kg) bench and a 463lb(210kg) deadlift which are not bad numbers by any means, however he is very clearly much more muscularly developed than the vast majority of powerlifters with totals higher than his. I personally think the strength to hypertrophy 1:1 correlation pretty much ends once you surpass novice level (ie, 225lb(100kg), 315lb(140kg), 400lb(180kg) bench, squat, deadlift) and once you become intermediate to advanced, there needs to be a deviation in productive strength or hypertrophy training otherwise you end up having luck luster results in both.
@GVS
9 ай бұрын
Pretty close, 160/115/205.
@anthonyvenegas8299
2 ай бұрын
We said that in the 1970’s, your not a bodybuilder or powerlifting unless you compete
@Darkmaze9808
9 ай бұрын
Great response BB. In my personal opinion the way that you are doing the big 3 also matters. In his video Revival Fitness mentions the golden era, but he never mentions about how Arnold used to bench for example. There is a big difference if you control the eccentric, flare your elbows and don't have a big arch vs keeping your elbows tucked and arching + adding leg drive. The first movement does heavily stimulate the chest where as the second movement is a much more tricep movement that allows to move more weight. In conclusion, the big 3 are very good exercises, but since the golden era, the science has advanced and if you really don't care about strength you could easily build muscle with much safer exercises, in faster way and with less joint pain.
@bhargavpandya8486
9 ай бұрын
Agreed. Arnold didn't "powelift". He benched and squated for muscle building, not just for higher numbers. Same thing that noble natties say, "if you up your bench or squat with same technique ie., bodybuilding technique, then you'll grow bigger from it. And if you modify your technique just to lift heavier, then it won't be as stimulating.
@iangraham-white5717
9 ай бұрын
I would also like to point out Steve Reeves didn’t flat barbell bench press to win the Mr. Universe… He did primarily incline dumbbell presses and weighted dips… People like Revival pretend "the basics" are only the big 3
@jonnyjonasjohnson3650
9 ай бұрын
Man, I'm surprised he didn't spit the blackpill out with NH's gut punch
@jbdmb
9 ай бұрын
Bodybuilding style of lifting is the way, the light, the righteous path that will lead us to the promised land of gains.
@dilbophagginz
9 ай бұрын
Everyone's already said it but basically everything Revival said in the video was a strawman, he didn't actually address NH's original point that powerbuilding training is inferior for hypetrophy compared to pure bodybuilding training.
@iangraham-white5717
9 ай бұрын
It is funny Revival Fitness brings up conjugate when conjugate lifters are known to spend sometimes months on end without doing the big 3 (just watch early Alex Leonidas... He straight up replaced all bench press variations with weighted dips and overhead press at one point)
@KurokamiNajimi
9 ай бұрын
Alex does that for the sake of longevity. The point of conjugate is you don’t need extreme specificity to progress
@iangraham-white5717
9 ай бұрын
@@KurokamiNajimi Doesn’t matter the reason, Alex wasn’t using a bench press variation and was a self-proclaimed "westside conjugate" lifter at that time of his life... Revival was the one who brought conjugate into this when one of the "noble natties" has almost a decade of experience running conjugate
@KurokamiNajimi
9 ай бұрын
@@iangraham-white5717 Conjugate isn’t specific lifts it’s a principle but I’m guessing your point was you don’t have to do conventional big 3 variations. I don’t think many believe you have to (I don’t think RF said that in his vid either) or that you should only do those for size or strength. Tbh I don’t even know if you have to do the easiest variation to have strength carry over or if it would require a little bit of neuro gains. Main difference between size and strength is using low rep range
@egil9859
9 ай бұрын
Revival with a series of awful takes. Big surprise
@demdimi9316
9 ай бұрын
He is still mad that NH called him out for having a trt clinic as a sponsor.
@dangernoodle2868
9 ай бұрын
More to your point about how small increments over the 16" arm standard, I think this is something that people don't realise when it comes to natural physiques. Yes, you build most of your mass in a couple of years and it makes you think "well what's the point?" You work your ass off for a year or two and your physique looks mid and you've built most of it so what now? I'll tell you what, if you continue to work past that initial phase, that little bit of extra muscle has a disproportionate effect *because it's built on top of that foundation which already takes work to achieve*. Ironically, it's not the tapering off of your gains that makes you small but leaning into that plateau which makes your physique look way more impressive. In short, it's learning into your natty limit that will make your physique stand out and that's best done by training specifically for hypetrophy if that's your goal.
@michaelvanderlaan5629
9 ай бұрын
When i was training for big numbers on the big 3 I just kept injuring myself, back injuries, shoulder pain, knee pain etc, now I'm training for aesthetics and not worried about numbers I feel that much better, injury free in 2023, hopefully 2024 aswell.
@aggelos__sw
9 ай бұрын
REVIVAL COPER.
@bmanhsu
9 ай бұрын
You need to pull a freaki D and come out of retirement for a revival mogging hahaq
@dynaspinner64
9 ай бұрын
Didnt BB already mog him once?
@Geno_Suda
9 ай бұрын
Bro I love your intelligence that is clearly reflected through your dialect and the way your present your side of the fence. I agree with with your stance.
@garrettbaratheon567
9 ай бұрын
On the point at 31:09 onward, I was thinking the same names as you. Yourself obviously, Blaha came to mind, Alex Leonidas achieved not only elite, but ultra elite numbers and he’s just scratching the surface on his bodybuilding potential i believe. Alex Enkiri comes to mind. I think RF is making a bad faith argument here, I’ve met tons of guys that could outlift me that nobody on the street would ever guess were anywhere near as strong as me. My old roommate could bench 225 for a solid 10 I believe, and claims to have hit 295 TNG at 160 BW. It was crazy because I was maybe 255 pause bencher at this time, but in the 185-205 region I could pretty much match his reps while pausing. I’ve simply come to the conclusion that strength is a component of athleticism, some guys are naturally gifted at it and others not so much. I train 90% for strength and all I want is to have the numbers that people already expect I can lift haha.
@BasementBodybuilding
9 ай бұрын
Hell yeah bro, and part of it is a form of survivorship bias - the guys who don’t get big with a powerbuilding oriented training, you won’t find on socials. They either give up or just don’t get recognition. You don’t see the failed examples, but they’re there.
@thriftyodysseus9544
9 ай бұрын
"Name 5 powerlifters who are strong but not big." Tbh I think that's a dumb question. If their not big then their probably not going to lift as much (as RF stated at 34:58). And if their not elite then they won't get as much attention. The internet and algorithms in general promote outliers. So most powerlifters famous enough to be somewhat known by anyone other than hardcore powerlifting fans are more often than not going to be quite strong. Also giving them a good chance of being pretty big. Not to mention the powerlifters with great physiques (many of which I believe have great genetics) are also bound to get more attention from the internet. I think there's a lot more powerlifters (who RF would say aren't powerlifters because they don't compete) with mid level lifts who are tiny or have spider physiques then there are powerlifters with mid level lifts and mid physiques or better.
@BasementBodybuilding
9 ай бұрын
Spot on, this is exactly how I responded to another comment here. The guys who stay intermediate won’t get the attention. It’s a survivorship bias. You don’t see all the guys that fail. Me for example - the only reason I get attention now is because I switched my training methods and teach them.
@TyAndAssociatesLLC
9 ай бұрын
I’ve tried liking RF and like his bulking videos, but he’s really changed in my opinion for the worse. And his pua content is actually unbearable
@denebstudios.8018
9 ай бұрын
Revival's pitiful and condescending attitude reminds me a lot of Philion's during his "Natty or not" era. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up taking drugs or if he leaves the fitness scene altogether and focuses on PUA/Redpill content.
@supertrollfaxnoprinter3329
9 ай бұрын
that would be a dream come true. he would become the new blaha. I hope to god he tries gear, is a complete nonresponder, quits lifting, and becomes a redpill dating coach.
@RossLemon
8 ай бұрын
@@supertrollfaxnoprinter3329I hope that happens lmfao. I know I'm hating but that would be hilarious.
@tommymecousinlostmecar4165
20 күн бұрын
@@RossLemon He's 100 percent going to jump on gear in the next couple of years
@MrOvidiuk
8 ай бұрын
wait, so, I can't be a ....swimmer, or doing kayak or bouldering if I not compete? Yes, not a professional but when you practice a sport you can say you are that type of athlete.
@BojanF
9 ай бұрын
Lemme get this straight, so according to that cringelord if you: a) lift for years, learn, improve and get closer to the physique you want - nope, sorry, not a bodybuilder b) do a show, place dead last, have mid strength and a mid physique (compare him to Igor, for instance) - totally a bodybuilder, magically get the right to gatekeep, shit on people and peddle programs Great response video, but once again I hope this is just a trailer compared to the trilogy of 2-hour videos that NH will probably start putting out next week
@turbulentgazelle6276
9 ай бұрын
Might be wrong, but didnt Revival call him self a bodybuilder before he'd competed? In either case, stepping on the stage is not the be all, end all of bodybuilding. Its fine to want the stage-like (i.e. not quite so lean) physique and never step on stage. Also, not stepping on stage allows a BBer to expirment with a physique that doesnt check all the boxes the judges want to see on stage. E.g. a "bear mode physique"
@theiceman7590
9 ай бұрын
Arnold and Ronnie did not use powerlifting to win their olympias lol. Arnold didnt even deadlift after very early on in his lifting career. Sure they did the basics but they used a lot of other movements to build their physiques.
@rorkirbabtista9429
9 ай бұрын
I as a bodybuilder compare myself to someone who loves golf and plays it all year but still remain mediocre according to standards. Is that person wrong to say he is a golfer?
@nfrankiksa4596
9 ай бұрын
GVS a fake natty? what's wrong with Revival? lmao
@weakest_serb
9 ай бұрын
He is probably still salty from from when GVS called him a sellout in his video.
@ps3inquisition441
9 ай бұрын
He’s got a lot of opinions for someone who’s not very impressive. Goes on a clueless rant and then tries to sell programs. Why in the hell would anyone buy a program from that guy.
@Antigone10
9 ай бұрын
Muscle size is a function of endurance and strength. Dif muscle fiber types. Nobody points at a marathon runner and claims they are not a runner cause sprinters exist. Bodybuilders are inbetweeners, or mid distance runners. Powerlifters can't compete in a bodybuilding workout against bodybuilders. They haven't trained and developed the fibers and systems to last through what bodybuilders can do. Both are still athletes in their sports.
@shteatinggrin
9 ай бұрын
Revival the New Blaha? He even defends him at times
@lmaolol9357
9 ай бұрын
RF claiming he understands statistics 😂😂
@m-a-t-t6869
9 ай бұрын
"Ask them to name 5. And if they do name 5, it doesn't matter anyway and it just proves my point." Lmfao bros arguing circles around himself.
@jeffbunnell9961
9 ай бұрын
The whole "you're not a bodybuilder" because you don't compete and are "only" after hypertrophy and improved body composition is just semantics. Yeah, you're not a competitive bodybuilder sure. By his definition GVS is not a bodybuilder because he doesn't compete, which is hilarious.
@dusk6159
8 ай бұрын
Yeah people like GVS (or Bald Omni Man) are also coaches, so that definitely fits in the definition of being a bodybuilder Also even has a useful video on strength standards for the isolation movements and the compound movements.
@ates423
9 ай бұрын
I personally prefer training strength and explosiveness as someone who enjoys playing football and basketball recreationally. However as I get older in age and I lose that athleticism I will definitely switch over to bodybuilding
@itsviibes5854
9 ай бұрын
I feel like this whole debate got totally blow out of proportion and that the biggest disconnects are this: 1. Getting stronger on compoud lifts isn’t seen as bodybuilding to these guys 2. Even tho let’s look at the silver era days where all those mfs were strong on ALL lifts, WITHOUT specialising in them
@iangraham-white5717
9 ай бұрын
Hmmmm, I wonder how they got strong on all lifts without specializing in them... Almost like they just got bigger
@BluegillGreg
9 ай бұрын
No one can know how big someone is by looking at a picture, unless there's a reference object of known size. It's a non-issue compared to musculature and leanness. If someone's muscular and lean with good proportion they're doing well at 5'2" or 6'9".
@Bluntts
9 ай бұрын
Why you would sit there and watch another man in the gym for 30 mins vs working out just baffles me.
@Lugo2k
5 ай бұрын
It still baffles me that in 2024 people don't understand that Specialization is what is required to reach elite levels. Especially when it is seen in every sport. There were lots of great High School Multi-Sport Athletes that started specializing went Pro and became even better. Then there are Athletes that went to other sports during their Career like Jordan or Sanders then sucked at it. It's no different when it comes to Hypertrophy. You can't just expect to have a great well rounded physique when you aren't specifically training for that. You can definitely cultivate a good physique but lots of powerlifters are usually lacking in two or more muscles or they are overdeveloped in certain ones. Also anyone who has ever trained for or watched someone training for powerlifting realizes that it is very hard training. More often than not you see lots of powerlifters even elite slack somewhat on their accessory movements.
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