Sarah Jane Smith ❤ I was expecting a Dalek through door at any minute Before your time Andy 😂
@mikeandrews8690
3 күн бұрын
So many well-known actors of the period (?mid-late 70s?). Thanks for putting it up.
@gothicpagan.666
3 күн бұрын
How many of those guys had bit parts in the Professionals?
@richardbroom4324
2 күн бұрын
Lol. British Leyland and quality control in the same sentence! Well I never😂
@richardspalding3622
Күн бұрын
It's a shame we have lost our car manufacturers I was involved in training in the building trade gave me agood feeling when working as team, makes every one feel good in themselves, I enjoyed that video thanks
@martiniv8924
Күн бұрын
That wasn’t a cheap movie, all top line actors 😉🇬🇧 thanks for sharing 👍🏻
@TheTommo2
2 күн бұрын
had a rover 3.5s in the early 80s what a car in its day the performance and sound were amazing the video brought back great memories
@Steviegtr52
3 күн бұрын
I have seen this film before . Very good & to the point. Having worked at West yorkshire foundry as a Sparky many years ago I saw the V12 blocks being made. & repaired due to damage & casting flaws. Have had a few V8 rovers. Now the proud owner of a TVR Chimaera 4650 lined Rover V8. Still a great engine & the amazing sound is very adictive. Thanks for the video. Steve.
@iainball2023
Күн бұрын
I used to set up griffs and chimeras at a company I used to work for. I absolutely loved them. Utter delight and adrenaline when they were right, complete pig when it inevitably went wrong. Easy fixes for most of the problems, but could never get rid of the hooded man with the scythe I saw, every time I looked in the rear view mirror. Bloody good fun car. When I win the lottery, there will be a 500 griff in the garage 😂
@antmassey6135
3 күн бұрын
Where the heck did you dig this up? BRILLIANT. You should have included the credits. Got my brother researching names to faces. Lots of Northern 70's-80's characters in there. Very informative. That's how things were, and probably how things should be. Another Shrigley spectacular. Many thanks, Ant. 🙂
@kevinmartin9432
3 күн бұрын
Rover V8; Still my favorite engine after 50 years of working as a mechanic!
@gothicpagan.666
3 күн бұрын
Cheap horse power, and lighter than a pinto.
@ferrumignis
2 күн бұрын
@@gothicpagan.666 _"lighter than a pinto."_ That's not much of a flex, they weighed about the same as the Titanic 🤣An LS1 is also lighter than a Pintosaurus, and make really good power.
@gothicpagan.666
2 күн бұрын
@@ferrumignis A pinto would make a good anchor.
@PeaceBeTheJourney.
Күн бұрын
On injection it's the Best sounding v8 imo
@knutarneaakra6013
7 сағат бұрын
Still love this engines,just thinking of my rover vitesse 3,5 liter. Best car I' ve had. Part of my youth. 😊
@samrodian919
2 күн бұрын
That was pretty good, the actors were even convincing! The Rover V8 was a great engine, I rebuilt two of mine, though they had no crankshaft wear to speak of, the bores were hardly worn and only needed a hone with new rings and bearings they were good to go for another eighty to a hundred thousand miles one engine needed new valve guides which I farmed out to a local reputable engine machine shop but that was all. The biggest problem was when they enlarged the capacity from 3.5 litre to 3.9 and after around 75-100,00 miles some liners came loose. I had that problem with my last Land Rover Discovery 2 4.0L as they called it. But I used a novel sealant called steel seal or some such thing and it worked, I put 25 k on it before I sold it with no further trouble. As I say a great engine. Don't suppose too many are on the road now because the Discovery 2 was a rot nightmare, due to Land Rover no longer putting underbody sealant on them. Talk about built in obsolescence !
@iainball2023
Күн бұрын
Thanks for that Andy. That was great. 😊 Can akso say, i had a rover block bored from std to 30 over, done on a 90 fixture, and the bottom of the bores on both banks wouldnt clean up on the cam side. It had been bored at a wonky angle from the factory ❤
@MiG21aholic
3 сағат бұрын
Not many people can say an engine saved their life, but I genuinely can say this engine did - had a 109 Stage III roll over top of me.
@leoroverman4541
Күн бұрын
Some good actors from that time.
@Beaulocks_
3 күн бұрын
What a delightful oxymoron.....BL quailty control.
@timcarnell5133
Күн бұрын
Almost as good as quality control😂
@1738Creations
Күн бұрын
This is an adult movie with all the naughty scenes edited out.
@caswhitmore1400
3 күн бұрын
Enjoyed that , thank you .
@stevecmason-rs6vf
3 күн бұрын
You are working your * it's off, take care of yourself. A tired racer is often not at his best. Thanks for the vid.
@biastv1234
3 күн бұрын
The Japanese would fix the crankshaft machine. Not alter another component to mask a fault. Bloody hilarious
@grantbaker3336
2 күн бұрын
Having spent many years rebuilding and modifying engines including countless Japanese motorcycle engines I can tell you that the Japanese would do exactly the same thing they did in this film furthermore and probably surprisingly to you and many others the tolerances that the Japanese make their engine components to are much wider than Rover and most other manufacturers would have been using this is done to reduce scrap rates and therefore costs and selective assembly is practised to ensure proper working clearances.
@Brit_Toolmaker
2 күн бұрын
@@grantbaker3336exactly, tolerance grading and selective assembly has been the cornerstone of mass production for the masses.
@WOFFY-qc9te
Күн бұрын
My manger was speaking with the Toyota line engineer about our machine shop and said "how many thou do you machine too " Reply from Toyota was "Thou ! we machine to the micron ". Toyota Deeside would take 45 minutes to assemble an engine and have it at full power and programmed. Any taken from the line went straight to Kaizan QC to find out why, no reworking.
@Brit_Toolmaker
Күн бұрын
@@WOFFY-qc9te sizing to "tenths of a thou" has been Std manufacturing tolerances from the 1920s, selective assembly optimises the assembling of parts machined to these fine limits, that's it!!!
@johnnytenjobs
2 күн бұрын
Elisabeth Sladen is Barbara. She was also Sarah Jane in Dr Who.
@whitemonkey7932
3 күн бұрын
Enjoyed that....thanks
@bobuilt10
2 күн бұрын
The lugs on the side were the machining datums. In the foundry, the castings critical features, water jacket positions, valley height, etc, were balanced and 3 point locations machined on the lugs. After the blocks were machined, 3 of the lugs were removed. I worked in the foundry and it made us cringe seeing how the machine shop banged them about, moving the datum.
@keithammleter3824
Күн бұрын
Bobuilt10: That is surprising. Something that all young professional engineers learn is that it should be possible to check all machined dimensions against datums even on the finished product. Without that you can have no quality control and no way of diagnosing process issues. Usually, the engine rear face and either the bottom machine surface or the top surface (head gasket contact surface) are datum surfaces. The V8 engine design and all machines and tooling to make it were sold to Rover by GM USA, who also sent people over to set it up and teach Rover how to operate it. This engine was intended for Buick cars, but GM decided not to use it. It has always been reported that GM did that because another division came up with a cast iron "small block" design that was negligibly heavier and the alloy V8 could not match the in-service fault rate and durability of the cast iron small block. If you are correct, perhaps it is the real reason why GM abandoned it - one of their production engineers seriously effed up. But I think the real reason for the problems is that by the time this film was made, Rover had been making this engine for most 20 years, and they had just worn out the factory machinery, running it into the ground. That is typically what British firms did.
@agt155
16 сағат бұрын
@@keithammleter3824 If I remember correctly GM had real problems with casting the alloy block, so much so they gave up and went back to iron. A V6 version of the Buick V8, with an iron block, was used up until the late 90's.
@keithammleter3824
15 сағат бұрын
@@agt155 What is the source of your claim? It sounds like a myth to me. GM had a lot of experience making large alloy castings for the war effort in World War 2. They were turning out about 125,000 aircraft engines a month at their peak. Including vast numbers of turbocharged alloy V-12 engines for USAAF fighters. They knew a thing or two about casting aluminium. If GM couldn't make good alloy blocks consistently, Rover with enormously less experience, would have had no hope and would not have risked it. The fact that they could make small block cast iron engines weighing negligibly more than the alloy V8 (which is easily verifiable) they sold to Rover would have been a key point.
@agt155
13 сағат бұрын
@@keithammleter3824 The fact GM spent all that time and money developing the aluminium block just to drop it and develop an iron one instead indicates there were big problems. GM blocks were produced from gravity fed steel dies with cast-in liners, Rover blocks were sand cast with pressed in liners - a hint of the problem? Rover did have extensive experience with aluminium engines, they produced the Meteor version of the Merlin V12 for use in Centurion tanks and also made a V8 version. The iron block Buick V6 weighs 16Kg more than the Rover V8. People don't appreciate the incredible power to weight of the Rover V8 - still competitive today.
@keithammleter3824
11 сағат бұрын
@@agt155 : You haven't given the source of your claim, so I assume you can't, and we should not trust it. I think you don't understand how big American companies operate. GM had multiple divisions competing with each other to a certain extent. To the CEO of a company the size of GM, the expenditure of a few tens of millions is no big deal, even in the 1960's. Their total company operating expense was about 8 million dollars per DAY, not counting factories not in the USA. The CEO and his direct reports would have regarded the alloy V8 merely as an experiment that didn't pan out. Sure Rover had experience. But pretty small compared to GM. Rover made about 9,000 Meteor engines over a 20 year period. That is insignificant compared to the 125,000 large aircraft engines GM made per month in wartime. And how do we know Rover didn't have trouble with it? On a spare no expense low volume military product you can tolerate a high scrap rate. In volume production competing in the retail space you can't. The weight of the alloy V6 used in Buicks is not relevant as it is a much later engine. It weighs 170 kg installed. The Buick V6 contemporary to the 215 alloy V8 was a cast iron engine. What was relevant to GM at the time was that the alloy V8 (the 215 ie 3.5 litre) weighed 144 kg dry and the competing GM small block cast iron V8 was 184 kg dry. The 40 kg difference did not allow any significant change in car front ends or structure (weight on front wheels > 600 kg, so 6% improvement) and against a total car weight of at least 1200 kg would have meant negligible difference in performance.
@kiwidiesel
Күн бұрын
Drove many miles in land Rovers with v8 4.0 petrol engine and four speed gearbags. Gas hogs but sounded good.
@KEITHREDMAN-yo2dl
2 күн бұрын
Great video ,just goes to show what can be achieved by working together with a common aim ,reminded me of how the MOT VTS Council was formed due to dis-jointed legislation varying testing standards and a very random punishments for any transgressions,it worked really well getting some fairness back into the system, but now its gone , so the MOT test is going to be the new rover V8 assembly NO CIRCLES
@martinhacche1329
3 күн бұрын
When I worked for a Dodge / Chrysler franchise I had to fix no end of problems from the factories, they just pushed vehicles out😮😮
@keithammleter3824
Күн бұрын
Are you in Australia? In the 1950's Holden (local GM brand) and the Ford Falcon were the volume sellers of locally made cars. In the 1960's they were joined by Çhrysler making the Valiant locally. But Chrysler struggled - they never sold as many as Holden or the Ford Falcon. It was pretty well known that if you were a Holden dealer, all you had to do was clean the protective wax off, add water and oil, put in a battery, put in some gasoline and make sure the engine started. If you were a Ford dealer, almost the same, clean off the shipping wax, add water, oil, and gasoline, battery, and start the engine. Customer options such as radios, vinyl roofs were added by dealers. If you worked for a Chrysler dealer, cars would arrive with things like no steering wheel, because the factory had run short. Or maybe the guy who fits steering wheels was off sick. Or they would be missing radiator hoses or something. Dealers could get a factory rebate of any work done or parts needed, but it was an annoyance. The worst cars from a dealer's point of view were Fiats. They were fully imported from Italy and arrived with rust. The rust could be bad enough that the car needed surgery at a panel beaters' Customers are funny - they never accept a brand new car with the no-cost rust option.
@ma61king
13 сағат бұрын
Ooh, equinestaydry posted a new video!
@grahamrobson9292
18 сағат бұрын
1980 my family got an SD1 to sell for someone chocolate brown paint and beige velour and the silencer box rotted off and bald tyres. We used it as a Saturday car blasting it everywhere wheel spinning loved it sounded like a turbine then an apocalyptic racket at 100mph as the door seals popped open. Every time getting in and out door trim and courtesy lights fell out.
@johngibson3837
2 күн бұрын
Hey up mate super loved watching this so thank you very much it's just a shame what happened to this industry, always thought the old buick should be a goodun as all alloy but grew up with fords first so i guess preferred them, do keep thinking about a rover for my diesel hilux though if only for the V8 sounds. Thanks again
@malcolmwhite6588
10 минут бұрын
I thought this was some sort of a joke or a grammar lesson about paradoxes or oxymorons or something having British Leyland and quality control in the same sentence😂
@peterwilkinson2998
3 күн бұрын
MINT, good luck a brands matey.
@user-jy8mo5fi5q
Күн бұрын
It goes to show that if you want to make an interesting and factual documentary always employ the best actors you can, they make such things far more interesting with no boring monatone voices boring you to death. The licence to build the short block V8 was obtained from Buick and was a well established engine so Rover just needed to keep up quality control which was very much lacking at Rover back in the 70's
@nikaveyard1176
3 күн бұрын
If you see us at a CSCC SS race with Simon, ask me to tell you a BMC QC anecdote - explains a lot about the weird stuff you find!
@keithammleter3824
2 күн бұрын
There are various kinds of quality. # There is high quality - as in a Rolls-Royce, it is a better car than a Jaguar, but it costs a heck of a lot more. And a Jag is a better car than a Mini - but costs a heck of lot more than a Mini. This kind of quality varies, and should vary, according to market need. # There is managed quality - designing production processes so that defect rates are minimised - this is what this film is about - minimising factory wastage and shipping products to dealers in ready for use condition. # There is designed-in quality - a product's engineering, choice of materials, etc, so that the failure rate during the owner's use is acceptable. This what the British car industry,, including Rover, never mastered and never saw it as something they needed to master.
@christophercullen1236
3 күн бұрын
How's the quality control going in your shop with cleanliness , hope you got something out of this video. Kit the foreman from down under
@erichlausch9886
3 күн бұрын
Quality control at Shrigley Garage 😉
@davidbatt6723
Күн бұрын
The v8 in the Leyland p38 was a bit more powerful than the 3.5. I know Leyland originally called them the p76, but I think p38 is far more accurate because they were only half a car
@gibbsey9579
15 сағат бұрын
At 4.4 litres it should be....
@31144
Күн бұрын
Hard to believe stuff like this needed dealing with, it's all so bloody obvious 😳
@helloxyz
Күн бұрын
Let's list the actors; From Z-cars (without the moustache) From Between the Lines - Tony (baby-face) Doyle
@Ex3t3r
15 сағат бұрын
Where would this film have been shown and for who's benefit? Certainly not the Saturday afternoon matinee at your local cinema!
@keithammleter3824
2 күн бұрын
This is a training film for internal company use, and has the look and feel of being made in the 1980''s when Western companies were loosing to Japanese competition and it became fashionable to managements to try Japanese methods, of which quality circles is one. The Japanese had been using quality circles since the American Occupation at the end of World War 2 had told them to. In most cases, quality circles in western companies petered out within 2 or 3 years. It is surprising that Rover were having defective crankshafts in the manner depicted as by the time this film was made, they had been building the Buick alloy V8 for about 20 years. Definitely not a good look. Looks like they ran the machinery purchased from GM into the ground and didn't have a replacement schedule. Amusing to hear it described as "not a volume production engine". I suppose by the parent company's standards that would be right.
@Salman-sc8gr
17 сағат бұрын
There was a lot of porous blocks around 1999/ 2000
@jonharnew
3 күн бұрын
Fen street gang, On the buses.
@Icarus410a
2 күн бұрын
Please Sir, Porridge..
@repairitdontreplaceit
2 күн бұрын
great lump this
@mark4lev
Күн бұрын
Most blue collar management would never take advice from shop floor
@markjones-vx3kp
Күн бұрын
My p6 v8 original engine never been touched 40 psi on idle and silent what can I say
@godfreypoon5148
16 сағат бұрын
15:30 hyuck hyuck hyuck
@Poorlybobsdad
Күн бұрын
It’s sad really. That was a great idea that if combined with investment in new kit and perhaps buy in from the work force to focus on quality. Rover might still be here today.
@Salman-sc8gr
17 сағат бұрын
Land Rover is still not just here but having record sales globally.
@black5f
23 сағат бұрын
Interesting video, but they are all actors. Gosh so many actors from the time I can't remember their names. Tony Doyle , Colonel Hadley in Who Dares Wins. Some might say it's an early fake video, scripted. But packed full of actors from Professionals and Sweeney. No one that knows anything about engines though? No workers ever in sight? Maybe be it was a strike day?
@mk1classic
2 күн бұрын
Here's a longer version of the Leyland Group Quality video, produced by the CTV Workshop in 1976. Intended for viewing by company employees only :D kzitem.info/news/bejne/2G98t5aIbYaSd6Q
@erichlausch9886
3 күн бұрын
🏁🏁🏁🏁🏁
@mk1cortinarebuild883
2 күн бұрын
why did they have to redesign the buick v8 cranckshaft and rods?
@Salman-sc8gr
17 сағат бұрын
Because it was for Yankee 55 mph
@jasoneldridge4738
Күн бұрын
Robin Nedwell ?
@melclark1066
Күн бұрын
Quality control? British Leyland never discovered such a thing.🤣😂
@spannaspinna
Күн бұрын
Don’t be a Bert 😂
@itsverygreen532
2 күн бұрын
Oooh, a video on the quality control of the Rover V8? This should be a short one ;)
@joeedwards627
Күн бұрын
What experiences of poor quality control have you experienced?
@jimeditorial
Күн бұрын
My late production TR-8 had over 100,000 miles on it before I pulled the engine....the 3.5 is solid...but the rest of the car looks like it was built by drug addicts
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