No. The point of making her a human was not to kill her off permanently. They made the point of saying Penny couldn't be rebuilt without Pietro dying this time. Penny wasn't going to be rebuilt. Go re-watch RWBY volume 7 chapter 7 please. Penny wasn't going to be rebuilt that's why Pietro was so scared in Volume 8 chapter 5.
@CNWhatImSaiyan
3 жыл бұрын
I keep thinking back to a convention when they revealed that they and Monty were heavily inspired by Game of Thrones for RWBY’s story. As such, I wasn’t surprised by Vol. 5 Ep. 11 that they became heavily reliant with shocking swerves and fleeting emotional bait-confusing it with compelling narratives. The amount of people going crazy about Weiss getting impaled was just embarrassing. The major problem, however, is that RWBY is composed of a primarily younger demographic by comparison, so they’re more bound to fall for these cheap tricks due to be blinded by hype-unaware that they’ve been hit GoT’s nadir years in advance. In short, they made her human because emotion.
@christinaelwood7052
3 жыл бұрын
Actually we are missing a very big part in explaining penny's death. Penny's story based counterpart is Pinocchio, she had to become human to reach the conclusion she was always ment to have. In some versions of pinnocchip's story he gives his life after becoming human to save the people he cares about, it just makes sense that penny would do the exact same thing.
@laffy7204
3 жыл бұрын
This show takes the mantra "Good stories are pushed by stupid decisions." to the literal extreme. The show writers take Monty Oum's simple and unique story and turned it into bad Game of Thrones fanfiction. People randomly become bad guys, people dying for no reason, and the good guys are also somewhat the bad guys themselves for no reason
@vesion
3 жыл бұрын
@@laffy7204 You know what Monty’s story is? How is it different from the one the writers are telling, can you share that with us?
@eren34558
3 жыл бұрын
The point of making her human was to defeat the virus watts had infected her with. Did you forget the freaking virus?
@danielriver6206
3 жыл бұрын
Imagine, if in the original story, when Pinocchio finally becomes human, Cinderella just strutted in and shot him in the head for no reason. Wow. 1k likes. Thank you 😊
@jesuisunstroopwafel
3 жыл бұрын
You mean, that part Jeanne d'Arc stabbed Pinocchio?
Sounds like something that could happen in SINoALICE.
@TatsuEntertainment
3 жыл бұрын
XD i did imagine it but it came out both Disney and shrek style
@TheBlastmeister
3 жыл бұрын
RWBY writers just really hate redheads. To the point where they killed the same character 3 times.
@RedFirefly96
3 жыл бұрын
And Nora is the only redhead alive now... Until a new one appears in V9.
@aisha5156
3 жыл бұрын
@@RedFirefly96 If they hate readheads, Nora better watch out. Although Nora is has been here with us for a while now.
@RedFirefly96
3 жыл бұрын
@@aisha5156 they don't kill her because of Renora. The ship that literally nobody hate.
@aisha5156
3 жыл бұрын
@@RedFirefly96 I knew I was forgetting something, though it’s for the sake of a ship. Speaking of which, is the ship officially canon yet?
@RedFirefly96
3 жыл бұрын
@@aisha5156 Renora is the most official canon ship, bumblebee is the second close.
@forgottensoul64
3 жыл бұрын
Don't worry, they'll revive Penny for a second time using the Dragonballs.
@JonLa89
3 жыл бұрын
Penny's not truly gone her soul is now being kept saved by Ruby's since everybody is now in Destiny Islands which will be the new series Queendom hearts.
@mumblerogre2455
3 жыл бұрын
Technically Pietro should still be able to shit out another one
@soul6733
3 жыл бұрын
@@JonLa89 Please don't bring Kingdom Hearts here. The story of Kingdom Hearts is rather bad sure, but I can easily say that it's MUCH better than RWBY.
@saltedcheese3702
3 жыл бұрын
@@mumblerogre2455 now im imagining pietro shitting out a penny 3.0
@manolgeorgiev9664
3 жыл бұрын
@@mumblerogre2455 My artificially made robot daughter is dead... Oh well, time to make another one!
@LizzieShiro
3 жыл бұрын
They brought her back, and gave her a human body, just to kill her. ... Okay. I’m now confident enough in my writing to say I could have written something better. The fandom deserves a better story.
@herpderp5727
3 жыл бұрын
Also, they had Penny steal the maiden powers from Winter only to have her give it to Winter anyway.
@michealpinales3271
3 жыл бұрын
I agree whole heart with this.
@casualfanatic4217
3 жыл бұрын
Nooo you don’t understand her story is supposed to parallel Pinocchio where in that story he became a real boy and got a happy ending but now in this it’s she became a real girl and died immediately, making all her development and revival completely pointless. Teaching us a lesson that trying hard won’t lead to a happy ending and everything sucks, just like the writing
@michealpinales3271
3 жыл бұрын
@@casualfanatic4217. Good point, too
@herpderp5727
3 жыл бұрын
@@casualfanatic4217 Imagine if instead of dying Penny (as punishment for Ruby trying to break the rules duty Ambrosius) is turned into a donkey. Like the boys in Pleasure Island. Or if that's on the nose, she turns into into a blob forever like the ending of "I have no mouth and I must scream".
@privatepessleneck
3 жыл бұрын
I'm mad how last Volume Ruby saw Cinder, Cinder freaked out because Silver eyes, and Ruby used silver eyes, but for some reason Ruby forgot she had silver eyes in Volume 8? Even Cinder forgot too. Imagine how hilarious it would be if Cinder showed up, flying around, and promptly got blasted by silver eyes and fell into the abyss?
@qaztim11
3 жыл бұрын
Characters losing 50 iq points because the writers want the plot to go a certain way is one of the worst aspects of this show.
@Not_Ciel
3 жыл бұрын
They showed her eyes doing some kind of similar effect to the silver eyes in this fight, but like ALL THINGS IN RWBY, they didn't explain jack shit so the FNDM is left to speculate. The closest theory is that "she was thinking of destroying life, not preserving life, which is what the silver eyes are for", which is a huuuuuuuge stretch at best, considering she just watched Cinder "kill" dozens of people by throwing them off the platforms and also "killing" her team.
@privatepessleneck
3 жыл бұрын
@@Not_Ciel even still, Ruby used silver eyes properly, at least 4 times prior to this finale. The second she should have saw Cinder you'd think she'd be conditioned to just silver eye. I guess we'll wait for something stupid from the developer commentary like "Silver Eyes has a cooldown." they could have at least did something believeable where Neo goes after Ruby before Cinder gets there so at least then you could argue Ruby can't focus.
@somescottishlassie891
3 жыл бұрын
That's to smart and reasonable for the writers lol
@wlfmanjack
3 жыл бұрын
I think in general the silver eyes were a mistake, not that they can't write in cool abilities for her but the only thing the writers came up with was deleting grim. Problem is you have to contrive this fight to give Cinder a win after she's lost so many times due to her own incompetence. Hell its even stupid of her to take on a direct attack here against Ruby's silver eyes so the writers had to fuck over Ruby in this scene allowing for Penny to die in the process So on top of ruining Neo and fucking over Watts, you know actual good characters, you had to fuck Ruby to contrive this win after Cinder string of incompetence The writers seem to think Cinder is such a great character, but she's about as compelling as a wet sponge. Just soaking up anything potentially interesting in this series
@7-BIT
3 жыл бұрын
Pretty upset Pietro didn’t even get to see Penny as a human. I don’t care about either of them but it at least would’ve been cathartic.
@tonyjacob8467
3 жыл бұрын
Where the hell is Pietro anyway? Also Maria; I don't remember what happened after Cinder, Neo and Emerald attacked them.
@Ekigane
3 жыл бұрын
@@tonyjacob8467 they escaped atlas on amity. There is a chance it crashed later, but the plan was to send message and then fly away from atlas so penny would be safe from salem/ironwood, but penny got hacked and fell. So there was nothing more after what you remembered, pietro and Maria left the story/volume, sort of, properly. I think rt just messed up by making the cliffhanger feel like about amity because they didn't resolve the issue penny was trying to fix by pushing amity.
@lyswenn
3 жыл бұрын
I'm upset that they spent a few scenes at the beginning of the volume trying to make us care for Pietro, only for it to not pay off. I'm always harsh on the characters who get screentime when team RWBY gets very little, I expect it to be worthwhile and important. That felt like a waste.
@irongeneral7861
3 жыл бұрын
They probably fucked off in one of those cargo ships.
@hubertberrum6242
3 жыл бұрын
@@tonyjacob8467 they're probably at a elders' retirement home cuz they know they're too old for this crap
@NekoKujo6785
3 жыл бұрын
Fan service. Pure fan service. Penny is yet another example of fans taking control. And not for the better. She was just there to be cute. Just like Neo. Also she became human because someone at RT was into feet.
@lilgrimyking8659
3 жыл бұрын
Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft...yeah, i honestly think someone thought it up just so she could have dem' pasty ass leg's. I Fucking KNEW she was gonna die the second i found out they made her a human, i fucking knew it, hell, *ALL OF US FUCKING KNEW IT*
@falconeshield
3 жыл бұрын
It can't always be the fan's fault tbh, unless you're catering to the small loud portion of 'fans' who are here for the shock value and Rule 34 art.
@kriblar98
3 жыл бұрын
@@falconeshield yeah ppl are kinda milking it especially after bumblebee, negative bias towards the show is just waaaay stronger with how rt can’t help themselves with the way they handle everything
@NekoKujo6785
3 жыл бұрын
@@falconeshield Hey at least the R34 is good. Lotta pretty girls in this series people wanna make...art....of.
@sagescribe_
3 жыл бұрын
@@NekoKujo6785 r34 is the only good thing we have about the show
@theculturallyenrichedindiv8753
3 жыл бұрын
The fact that he's struggling to talk straight gives me the impression that Vex is pissed beyond our metaphysical comprehension.
@Not_Ciel
3 жыл бұрын
Someone mentioned how Cinder's grimm arm isn't protected by aura right after this clip and he literally had to stop talking. It broke Vex for a minute.
@theculturallyenrichedindiv8753
3 жыл бұрын
@@Not_Ciel ....I'm scared now.
@LisgoYugo3212
3 жыл бұрын
It's just cause this is an edit of a live he made so he stutters a lot. It's not scripted like the other videos.
@zemox2534
3 жыл бұрын
@@Not_Ciel I think Vex needs a break from RWBY. I mean what is even the point in talking about this show anymore? It sucks. It will always suck,so why keep talking about something that makes you mad. It is no healthy.
@awesome8831
3 жыл бұрын
@@zemox2534 Cause views
@thatonedude2159
3 жыл бұрын
Imagine your favorite character dies in volume 3, brought back to life, only to be killed off a 2nd time. I feel bad for Penny fans.
@-JaggedGrace-
3 жыл бұрын
I don’t have to imagine
@nocebo5792
3 жыл бұрын
She got Avdul'd I'd say. But Avdul was very good character and despite not doing too much (story-wise) both his fake death and the real one made big impact, especially on Polnareff. So now let's take bets if she will stay dead or they will somehow bring her back deus ex machina her "soul" into her old robot body or some shit(new relic being some kind of necronomicon type stuff?). I know it would be stupid, but look at their writing and how much do they bend over to satisfy the loudest parts of the fandom (wasp), and how they back out of almost every risky thing they did (Weiss stabbed, Yang ptsd, Ironwood & Ren being right about everything until they either randomly turn full evil or have to apologise for being rational). As dumb as most of Vol 8 was I admit that killing Penny was actually quite shocking & very unexpected, sadly similiar to GoT last season style (subverting expectations my ass) not some clever twist or any kind of payoff...
@rwbyfanfix554
3 жыл бұрын
Actually, she died about 4 times, so far. I'm planning on doing a video saying that Penny's cursed to die & resurrect until she defeats Salem.
@rwbyfanfix554
3 жыл бұрын
3 times, of which, happened just this Volume.
@arnowisp6244
3 жыл бұрын
Such a huge waste of potential growth. Penny was now Human. That opened more doors for her development but nope.
@abezevlag7337
3 жыл бұрын
Penny's options: A) Jaune kills me, painful death. Lal suicide prevention hotline 🤪 B) Jaune drops me into the void, painless "death". Weiss holds Cinder down with her Glyphs for five seconds which is enough time to fall 400 feet. C) Jaune carries me through the portal. My new sensitive human body is probably overestimating the severity of the wounds Cinder inflicted on me. Jaune, who's whole schtick is to heal people, is probably right and I'll live if I let him heal me.
@zooemperor3954
3 жыл бұрын
Why do B and C sound like the more sensible options?
@justapassingbycommenterrem5642
3 жыл бұрын
@@zooemperor3954 because they are 🤦♀
@warlordish
3 жыл бұрын
Also Weiss was literally STABBED THROUGH HER STOMACH and survived because of jaune, but some nails in Penny easily makes her a crippled old woman asking for death.
@joycesummer3818
3 жыл бұрын
@@warlordish LMFAO
@alexkarter5854
3 жыл бұрын
@@warlordish I mean this one is not really fair. Jaune heals really slowly, cause he is not a healer, its aura amp and all that stuff. Cinder would just kill Weiss by the time. So this Penny's decision was reasonable. Unlike choosing Winter when Weiss is about to die.
@valteraa
3 жыл бұрын
WE KILLED PENNY oh she's back BUT WE KILLED HER AGAIN .
@herpderp5727
3 жыл бұрын
Actually they also destroyed her robot body with the virus and her still would've passed on of it want for Ambrosius breaking his own rule, so Penny died THREE times.
@Taker369
3 жыл бұрын
@@herpderp5727 this writing team ladies and gentlemen
@autobee23
3 жыл бұрын
We killed her, but not really...SIKE! WE KILLED HER FOR GOOD NOW!
@potatoheadpokemario1931
3 жыл бұрын
Oh my god, they killed Penny you bastards
@theonewayroad3867
3 жыл бұрын
@@potatoheadpokemario1931 damn it you beat me to it. Take my like
@nikonarshe9296
3 жыл бұрын
Honestly, let's be real. What is even the point of having Jaune have even MORE trauma and ptsd if the writers never actually resolved his grief with Pyrrha? Yeah its mentioned but the way Jaune just gets over it like nothing is bad character development. Is something going to come from him ending Penny's life or will he just never talk about it again?
@JonLa89
3 жыл бұрын
If Salem had red hair then they pretty much have the victory in the bag because all they would need to do is have Jeaun kill her, it would be a piece of cake for him as girls with red hair always die within his vicinity or come to near death in Nora's case. Sorry for the bad spelling as Voice Texting sucks ass.
@Ramsey276one
3 жыл бұрын
He’s getting plenty of reasons to JUST SNAP!
@drunknbard2807
3 жыл бұрын
It pisses me off more when you realize who Jaunes VA is.
@burnerjones2790
3 жыл бұрын
miles luna wanted to feel wanted in the show
@burnerjones2790
3 жыл бұрын
@@solarydays its bad because its always jaune, yang and blake have dealt with their problem, weiss's dad is dead so she's solved and ruby is the only one still with a problem, but they throw another one on jaune?
@francescolombardi3438
3 жыл бұрын
Cinder: It's always about your friends, isn't it? Penny: At least i have some! Cinder: oh no. She has verbally destroyed me
@Not_Ciel
3 жыл бұрын
"anyways" *Grabs her with her grimm arm*
@sdbzfan1
3 жыл бұрын
Kh for the win The line makes more sense there though because the whole game is about friends
@samoth5161
3 жыл бұрын
Wasn't expecting a kingdom hearts reference here lol, much less a just a pancake one
@legendarymarston9174
3 жыл бұрын
IS THAT A FLIPPIN' JUST A PANCAKE REFERENCE?!?!
@donmitchell397
3 жыл бұрын
Woody's roast would fit this scene too.
@bry-guy4177
3 жыл бұрын
Penny wanted to die so bad, first she asked Ruby to kill her then Jaune
@nezumi217
3 жыл бұрын
Guess being human wasn't all it was cracked out to be?
@iattacku2773
3 жыл бұрын
Penny didn’t want to be in this show any longer
@losnfjslefn8857
3 жыл бұрын
Because she knew she didn't belong here anymore. She wanted to go back to the glory days in volume 3 where her death actually had meaning and impact 😆
@ImusakHctividar
3 жыл бұрын
Penny after being revived in volume 11: "Why won't you let me die?! :D"
@damkylan3
3 жыл бұрын
To paraphrase Mr. Plinkett... "Then we find out that Penny is just like the audience.... SHE JUST WANTS TO DIE."
@SpammytheHedgehog
3 жыл бұрын
I agree. They should've made Winter the Maiden at the end of Volume 7.
@husk1942
3 жыл бұрын
In the end Penny was just here to save Winter by giving her the powers.
@thetruestar6348
3 жыл бұрын
Yeab
@kingraplhmativo5178
3 жыл бұрын
@@husk1942 Penny being Maiden just didn't make sense for me.
@sammywatokohom172
3 жыл бұрын
At least if they really want to kill Penny, use Ironwood, so at least, we understand why she gave it to Winter.
@CNWhatImSaiyan
3 жыл бұрын
A winter maiden with a name so appropriate
@kingkoopa8683
3 жыл бұрын
If they decided to bring Pyrrha back just for the sake of "nostalgia", then wake me up for the true series finale.
@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr
3 жыл бұрын
Considering that Weiss is the only person alive from team RWBY I’m pretty certain that Pyra, team RBY, and Penny are going to be brought back to life by the God of Light.
@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr
3 жыл бұрын
@@Gordonfreeman551 , I’d much rather have characters in RWBY stay dead too, but considering how shitty Miles and Kerry are as writers it wouldn’t surprise me if they brought back Pyra, team RBY, and Penny in Volume 9.
@invisibleair2156
3 жыл бұрын
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr rwby is fucking dead
@ma.2089
3 жыл бұрын
They’d have 100% without a doubt, gone against Monty’s wishes. Kinda hope they do so the naysayers who believe this is all what Monty wanted would shut up
@rwbyfanfix554
3 жыл бұрын
Like I've said, RWBY will probably get the Evangelion treatment.
@Alibaba-id1cs
3 жыл бұрын
Jaune is killing every redhead we love. Ren you gotta protect your girl Nora
@rashan141
3 жыл бұрын
Joke or not... Jaune didn't kill Pyrrha or Roman
@FanKwst
3 жыл бұрын
@@rashan141 he has traumas with Pyrra that's why we are telling this
@loiiysailor1177
3 жыл бұрын
but Nora doesn't need Ren anymore she on her own
@MyCarnageExtreme
3 жыл бұрын
@@loiiysailor1177 That's funny XD
@mlkywine6852
3 жыл бұрын
@@rashan141 Jaune killed Pyrrha’s spirit
@SpammytheHedgehog
3 жыл бұрын
Remember when Penny's death had meaning in Volume 3? I don't feel it anymore.
@ricardomilos10
3 жыл бұрын
Because volume 1 to 3 were meaningfull, but the waste of oxigen team that took over after monty death ruined everything
@archmagekyle
3 жыл бұрын
Yes!
@themexicanbanana7465
3 жыл бұрын
Same
@filipe19991
3 жыл бұрын
@@ricardomilos10 Didnt The Cast forgot that she was dead?
@MisteRRYouTuby
3 жыл бұрын
That’s because this is the third death of her. It holds no meaning.
@neebgoneoffchu8819
3 жыл бұрын
“Why was penny brought back ,for fan service?” Yes vex, thats literally why. Remember how she was coming for the volume 6 finale, you know the fan service volume. The same volume that brought neo back, killed Adam, and ect.
@Lovelle1
3 жыл бұрын
It would be nice if they brought Roman back then. After his anti-climatic "death," I feel like he deserves it the most. Feels like they offed him right as his character was starting to actually develop.
@charterhold1469
3 жыл бұрын
@@Lovelle1 let's not, CRWBY would ruin Roman TBH
@kidprime6863
Жыл бұрын
@@Lovelle1 Or bring him back as some kind of monster
@KelShu
3 жыл бұрын
Rooster Teeth is really committed to the *"Bury Your Redheads"* trope . Torchwick . Penny (2) . Pyrrha . Adam . Neon (possibly)
@bjoernsenp.5664
3 жыл бұрын
Hopefully Nora and maybe Scarlet(the redhed from Suns team SNNN) are next now that they are in Vacuo lmao
@KelShu
3 жыл бұрын
@@bjoernsenp.5664 Well Scarlet's most likely gonna die in the Vacuo arc; as for Nora, she safe until the final volume
@bjoernsenp.5664
3 жыл бұрын
@@KelShu But Scarlet is supposed to be part of the alphabet community that could be a strong shield against death. What amkes you think Nora is safe until the final volume?
@KelShu
3 жыл бұрын
@@bjoernsenp.5664 I don't know, she seems like the kind of character that would get killed off during the finale, but for all I know she could die sooner
@BabyGirlTiny
3 жыл бұрын
@@bjoernsenp.5664 well scarlett is a man, so that means nothing when this show hates men no matter what their sexuality is
@MightyKombat
3 жыл бұрын
She dies solely for Miles Luna- I mean Jaune- I mean Miles Luna's manpain
@trilight3597
3 жыл бұрын
Can't have the girls kill one of their own because that'd be as morally grey as Ozpin's hair.
@MightyKombat
3 жыл бұрын
@@trilight3597 Oh god don't remind me. Ozpin's so morally grey, not only did he get Ruby into one of the world's most prestigious academies AND let Jaune get away with bullshit papers but he....gave Qrow and Raven the power to turn into birds with no drawbacks!
@Jacob_G9
3 жыл бұрын
@@MightyKombat He also got stuck on the losing side of a Multi century long chess match against a spiteful immortal woman because of two gods being pricks.
@falconeshield
3 жыл бұрын
@@MightyKombat WHENEVER THEY WANT
@wilmagregg3131
3 жыл бұрын
isnt jaune voiced by Micheal the non woke new jeresey dude from achivement hunter who curses alot?
@_GokuSolos_
3 жыл бұрын
Penny: At least let me choose this one thing Also Penny: Sorry Weiss, Ironwood picked Winter to be the maiden
@trilight3597
3 жыл бұрын
HALO Voice: Betrayal. Suicide.
@NikaeArts
3 жыл бұрын
Honestly, it should've gone that way considering the immediate dire situation before them and not just yeet the powers off to someone who wasn't even in the damn area lol. I think it would've made it interesting if Weiss obtained maiden powers instead. But I guess if Weiss had special powers on top of Ruby having special powers, it would've made Yang and Blake even more irrelevant.
@vrrrmin
3 жыл бұрын
Penny didn't choose Winter because Ironwood initially intended for her to be the maiden, she chose Winter because she was the first real friend she made in Atlas and she thought she deserved it. I get it's a joke but it's based on a faulty premise.
@fightingmedialounge519
3 жыл бұрын
That's not what their saying vermintide.
@kidprime6863
Жыл бұрын
@@vrrrmin I thought Ruby was the first real friend she had.
@salt6519
3 жыл бұрын
Penny was literally a waste of space character, they brought her back for fanservice then killed her ass because of shock value. The only thing I liked about this volume is that winter finally got the maiden powers.
@SallinKari
3 жыл бұрын
You can't just keep killing the SAME person for shock value!
@accwontletmereplyanti-mobm7104
3 жыл бұрын
If it wasnt for oenny amity wouldnt have gone up so she did have a purpose
@shayla106
3 жыл бұрын
@@accwontletmereplyanti-mobm7104 Not really.
@JR-cr8ol
3 жыл бұрын
@@accwontletmereplyanti-mobm7104 Plus I personally find it a bit better that this time her death was for a purpose, and not just for a statement
@accwontletmereplyanti-mobm7104
3 жыл бұрын
@@shayla106 Elaborate your argument. Saying "not really" doesnt mean much
@SpammytheHedgehog
3 жыл бұрын
Ruby uses the Dragon Balls to create Penny a new body. Lol Two chapters later.
@RenSenpai7
3 жыл бұрын
Just to die anyway. Yikes. What kinda legacy is that? She... BECAME A REAL GIRL! Only to die as one instantly. DAWG. When they had Juane KILL her.. I... My jaw DROPPED. I'm like "HELLO??? Y'all really made this man do THAT?" Sheesh... What are they doin? Nah. Pause. Not sure they even know
@NekoKujo6785
3 жыл бұрын
They give Jaune all these big moments because he’s secretly the Main Character.
@RenSenpai7
3 жыл бұрын
@@NekoKujo6785 ya know I wouldn't even be opposed to that lol. I'll take him or even The Ace Ops as the main character/cast. And that... That's unfortunate. Side note. Hope you're doin well my friend 🖤
@NekoKujo6785
3 жыл бұрын
@@RenSenpai7 I'm doing better than this fucking show. It's not that hard to come up with a cohesive narrative. You just need to plan first. But they didn't.
@RenSenpai7
3 жыл бұрын
@@NekoKujo6785 not to mention the tone shift that really threw this thing outta wack. Knowing this started off so light hearted only to turn into this is.. Ridiculous. Lookin at this from an outside perspective this series only serves as a depression inducing show. That's honestly how I see it now. And don't get me wrong. There are series that go from light to dark tone and pull it off. But this..? This ain't one of'em. GG
@STARSRav3n
3 жыл бұрын
@@NekoKujo6785 it couldn't have anythinggggg to do with Juanes VA also being the writer *cough cough*
@white0thunderwhite0thunder71
3 жыл бұрын
Penny died as she lived, a tool to be used to pull at our heart strings.
@masterofthelag8414
3 жыл бұрын
And frankly the second time I saw it as too much of a cheap ass shot to feel sad about it again (this coming from someone who's fav rwby character WAS penny), just kinda grumpy. I hate that they did this, it was clearly as you said an attempt at pulling our heartstrings but frankly with the seeming setup that they did with making her real, and the fact that Jaune never gets nice things like the maiden powers (I know he's a guy and can't have them but I really thought he was gonna for a moment)-and then Winter, one of my most 'meh, don't care' characters of the whole cast gets them, and then uses them to beat Ironwood who I really liked... yeah that moment kinda ticked me off.
@captainplaceholder4482
3 жыл бұрын
No, i think they just decided Jaune needed a character arc and made something up.
@white0thunderwhite0thunder71
3 жыл бұрын
@@captainplaceholder4482 And the apparent idea for that is to have him murder one of his friends and further scar him for life... Great idea!
@captainplaceholder4482
3 жыл бұрын
@@white0thunderwhite0thunder71 Someone has to wield the sword of destruction... I didn't say it was a good character arc.
@white0thunderwhite0thunder71
3 жыл бұрын
@@captainplaceholder4482 It must be such a burden, such a curse, to be the left hand of God...
@Proiteus
3 жыл бұрын
Why a maiden = reaction & to make her a macguffin for vol 8. Why hacked = To remove her from most of the volume. Why human = to kill her off with no ability to come back at all. Why Winter = Because a maiden in team RWBY would be too op. Why overall = pure fan service and those sweet sweet reaction vids. There is the unfortunate answers.
@iconicusensign9624
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@perseusbolt3591
3 жыл бұрын
Penny literally became human to fill her “Pen”occhio role where he became a real boy. I hope. It still had no place in the story. They literally brought her back to complete her fairytale character. R.I.P. Penny fans man they deserve better
@angelsheavenlygarden1267
3 жыл бұрын
Didn’t in the original story Pinocchio die? Like multiple times? Not the Disney movie
@gayanudugampola8973
3 жыл бұрын
@@angelsheavenlygarden1267 the og? Probably. But Penocchio had better character development than Penny
@angelsheavenlygarden1267
3 жыл бұрын
@@gayanudugampola8973 really? I never really read the original Pinocchio but from what I recall he was just a brat that never learned his lesson and ended up getting himself killed multiple times
@SpammytheHedgehog
3 жыл бұрын
The previous Winter Maiden rolling in her grave.
@gayanudugampola8973
3 жыл бұрын
She's just screaming " God damm it! Giving my power to winter wouldn't have changed anything!"
@herpderp5727
3 жыл бұрын
@@gayanudugampola8973 Probably would've been better since the Ace-Ops wouldn't have wasted time chasing after Penny, Watts wouldn't have a reason or chance to hack Penny, Ruby wouldn't have turned Penny into a human (and get her killed), and Ironwood probably wouldn't have gone insane and threaten to bomb the city to get Penny, Salem probably wouldn't have the staff.
@gayanudugampola8973
3 жыл бұрын
@@herpderp5727 eh. It's okay that she made a mistake as that's natural for people to do. It's just that her choice to rebel or change something in her dying moments didn't matter. Even if it was a mistake the mistake didn't matter in the end. It was just Winter gets maiden power soon or Winter gets maiden power later. Her choice didn't matter. Penny getting power didn't matter because she couldn't keep it and it ended up going to Winter regardless. At least Penny is in redhead purgatory once more playing pong with Torchwick, Phyrra and surprisingly Adam.
@orimonochrome7902
3 жыл бұрын
Ruby should've been the one to kill Penny. Ruby has basically done nothing but be a naive brat, she needs more moments which could impact her and force her to mature- to come face to face with what she has indirectly/directly caused. To have more relevance to the damn plot. That not all her friends are going to be safe, the power of friendship won't always work, and tough decisions are going to be made in *war*. When Jaune killed Penny my eyes rolled so hard I couldn't see. He already had his moments, he feels more like a main character than Ruby. Jaune already had volume 1 to stand up against his bullies/get stronger/had an active mentor we see, in V3 was there for the whole Pyhrra going to be a maiden and her existential crisis, and when the maiden transfer failed, had the big kiss goodbye scene, and V6 had a breakdown moment- off of the top of my head. Ruby? Sees Pyrrha die and have a nightmare in V4 and every now and then gets 'angry'. If Ruby had this one moment...To kill her friend, to not only see Penny die again but be the one to finish her off for the greater good I think that would've been a good opportunity to finally take Ruby's character to places. To give her change and growth, just something. It probably would've added more to the shock value they were obviously trying to accomplish and have more impact because Penny and Ruby have spent more time together than Jaune and Penny. Probably one of the most anticlimatic and weightless things I've ever seen, but hey, at least Winter got the maiden powers whhooooooooo-
@JonLa89
3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely correct because all this Strong Woman bulshit, I'm going to make the decisions and you're going to listen to me I don't care if you're in charge nonsense is what's ruining so many series and Comics now. What used to be good writing is being replaced with self inserts from the author of personal beliefs being projected upon the character that they're making instead of the character naturally developing from the flowing of the story being told. At the beginning of this damn series Ruby was the quintessential sweet character who had Big Dreams of becoming a Huntress, love cookies and her big sister, pretty much like a daughter to her uncle since there's so much alike and even takes on his fighting style and weapon use, she had a friendly little rival with Weiss who was cold with her at first but then developed into a strong Foundation a friendship and camaraderie in battle which helped to bring the entire team of RWBY together. But now after all these years after Monty's death all of Ruby's dialogue is just that of Naruto talk no Jutsu, any hard decision or villain that stands in our way, we will beat them because we have the power of friendship because the good guys will win and at the end of the day, anything's possible when you have your friends, it's time for the kids to be in charge since the adults messed everything up in the beginning. Since she's had her way she's finally reflecting on all her bad decisions and I'm just enjoying the popcorn watching her in her despair of how did I go wrong and especially from what Blake told her way back in volume seven of how they will follow her lead.
@trilight3597
3 жыл бұрын
@@JonLa89 AMEN, Preach my brother. RWBY. Steal a military airship for an authority figure, it's fine she was racist. Murder an unarmed fanus, it's fine he's abusive. Double cross the open general and leader of a country despite him helping the country and the world despite what others think of him and being honest and logical despite the headmaster you complained about last volume. Claim that there are no sides next episode when the previous episode you said Ironwood isn't on your side. We are the good guys, we're not going what he think is right, we are doing *what is* right. But give the task of killing Penny to the actual main character, because Penny is good and we can't have good people killing good people. We're the good guys!
@VampireKnightsFan
3 жыл бұрын
No doubt that Ruby will end up with it’s the fall maiden when they eventually kill cinder. Think about it. Cinder is obsessed with Ruby. Raven is spring and that’ll go to Yang, Winter will give it to Weiss and I can only assume the summer maiden will have some connection to Blake
@gayanudugampola8973
3 жыл бұрын
Team Rwby gets more power Team Jaune gets more development and impact and has to have op semblance nerfed. The mans gotten more character. His actions have more meaning.
@cygnusking5996
3 жыл бұрын
Man pietrro is gonna be all shades of pissed when he finds out team Rwby turned Penny real just so that she could permanently die.
@Xacibij
3 жыл бұрын
Can't he just... make a new one?
@MatiasQuintanaV
3 жыл бұрын
@@Xacibij If he could, Penny would've been born with a sister or even a full team to accompany her to the festival, or even as backup in Atlas
@trilight3597
3 жыл бұрын
If he and Maria exists anymore. They just fucked out of existence and as far as he knows, she fell back down to Remnant and died. Though her remains will probably never be found.
@goodlion335
3 жыл бұрын
@@MatiasQuintanaV Pietro ripened part of his aura - his soul - to create Penny. And did it again to "rebuild" her. And if I'm not wrong he said that he could repeat it only so many times. So many Penny is not an option. But i'd say he could revive her one more time even if it would cost him his life. But he can't. Pietro said that he "revived" her only because her core was intact. Her robotic body was destroyed, so core is gone too. And I assume that it is the end of the line for Penny. And it is for the best.
@sammydray5919
3 жыл бұрын
@@goodlion335 How did her core survive in the first place? She was literally pulled apart by the power of magnetism. And even if the core survived, how did he recover the core enough to resurrect her in the first place. What did they recover her core while the entirety of beacon was being ravaged by bloodthirsty monsters?? Dunno if they explained that last volume.
@CNWhatImSaiyan
3 жыл бұрын
The more I think about it, the more I feel like Raven in Volume 5 was the smartest character in the show, simply for the fact that she read the plot synopsis in advance. • Her post-credit appearance was retconned out of existence, thus allowing her semblance to work with her bond with the screenplay • She knew before Vol 6. That “There is no beating Salem” without even needing to confirm it with Jinn and waste a question • She knew CRWBY would fall to horrible naming conventions with The Maidens, so she and her subordinates came up with the ruse of the spring’s identity to clown on everyone for their “appropriateness”. • The aura weakness for Grimm was for the audience since everyone in the show and those working on it are not good with memory-related things, so she left them to figure it out themselves-allowing her to flock off to flog Tai until they remember her relevance to the plot, no matter how many fucking volumes it will take. Also, I’m certain she knows that Super Mom is alive
@STARSRav3n
3 жыл бұрын
I was 100% on board with Raven day 1.
@gayanudugampola8973
3 жыл бұрын
I hated her at first but Raven be speaking facts!
@Not_Ciel
3 жыл бұрын
What pisses me off the most is how they had Juane do it. They LITERALLY had Penny beg Ruby to kill her earlier in the volume so that she wouldn't hurt anyone. If you know you're going to write Penny dying like 3 chapters later, then why not just go ahead and have Ruby kill her then, she can pass the maiden powers to Winter, and Ruby can be the one who has to deal with the trauma. You know, the MAIN PROTAGONIST? But nooooooo Juane had to be the one to do it. Why????? Don't even get me started on how someone in the live stream mentioned Cinder's grimm arm not being protected by aura, so it technically wouldn't have been able to touch Penny UNLESS she dropped her aura.
@Deterex525
3 жыл бұрын
I keep hearing that Cinder's Grimm arm can bypass aura, but that raises even further questions like why doesn't she just stub everyone leaving them incapacitated for a bit since rarely anyone actually wears any sort of armor if she can just bypass someone's aura.
@NekoKujo6785
3 жыл бұрын
Jaune is the secret Main Character. I realised this back in V5 when Ruby and co were not acting like.....main characters.
@falconeshield
3 жыл бұрын
@@NekoKujo6785 Think Volume 4, where Jaune was able to grief Pyrrha, and literally no one else from Team RNJR. No. One.
@namelessred8445
3 жыл бұрын
Oh hell even NORA since Nora and Penny were having alot of development throughout the volume
@DPowered2
3 жыл бұрын
I don't think her arm needs aura to break it otherwise Grimm wouldn't be a problem
@annimu9081
3 жыл бұрын
I made this post on Tumblr a few weeks ago about my opinion on why Penny came back: "Her whole purpose after Volume 3 was for pure emotional manipulation. Bring her back to get an emotional reaction out of fans, make her suffer from being the maiden to get an emotional reaction out of fans, make her a human and be so happy about it to get an emotional reaction out of fans, now kill her off again to get an emotional reaction out of fans. You can say that with many characters in the show but none of that compares to Penny’s character arc. I’m not saying nothing bad should’ve happened to Penny after she returned but she was just constantly being victimized by the story in such a short span while maintaining her adorkable wholesome personality for the light hearted moments so fans can continue to fawn over how much of a bean she was that must be protected."
@Saltedroastedcaramel
3 жыл бұрын
All of which makes me disgusted
@justapotato1176
3 жыл бұрын
how did weiss not die from a cinder stab, WHICH PENETRATED HER COMPLETELY. And Jaune managed to heal her. And Penny only got some claws in her, didn't go through her entire body, and now Jaune can't heal her? Consistency?
@BluemoonLacrymosa
3 жыл бұрын
Maybe the location of the strike? I think Weiss' was about a kidney shot vs Penny's in her chest? Overall, still stupid
@falconeshield
3 жыл бұрын
In RWBY? It's less likely than you think
@casualfanatic4217
3 жыл бұрын
Remember in last Volume when Cinder was struggling against Winter and Penny who were none maidens. Now in this Volume fighting against all of RWBY and Winter Penny, piece of cake
@JonLa89
3 жыл бұрын
Easy things to figure out......... Bad lazy ass writing
@shadeskitsune7830
3 жыл бұрын
I don't know if anyone figured this out yet but I believe Cinder's grim hand supposedly drains the life force of anyone she stabs with, like when originally she used a small grim parasite to drain the fall maiden of her powers. Still a huge pile of BS if you ask me.
@silvereyes242
3 жыл бұрын
I’m really not looking forward to all the moping Jaune is gonna do next volume, it’s just gonna be a rehash of volumes 4-6 when he wouldn’t stop moping about Pyrrha.
@trilight3597
3 жыл бұрын
Too bad he's the actual main character. "What's wrong Jaune?" "I had to kill Penny" "... ... ... ..."
@floobiez6517
3 жыл бұрын
What if the true Penny experience, was the friends we lost along the way.
@gayanudugampola8973
3 жыл бұрын
I felt nothing when she died in volume 8. I don't feel anything for the characters that die in the show anymore.
@EVERYWHERE_MAN
3 жыл бұрын
If I had a nickel for the amount of time penny died I would have two Which isn’t much but it says something
@sdbzfan1
3 жыл бұрын
Lol
@shadowwhowalk
3 жыл бұрын
It is states in some reddit AMA by Miles that when Weiss stabbed through Hazel with her Queen Lancer summon, Hazel's Aura was momentarily pierced. So apparently strong stabbing attacks can bypass Aura protection when it is convenient to the plot (Sierra Khan, Hazel, Vernal, Penny).
@kingraplhmativo5178
3 жыл бұрын
Penny is shortest Maiden I ever seen so far, total 48 hours.
@Vaksharules1999
2 жыл бұрын
What was the fuckin point
@thunder_2124
3 жыл бұрын
Pyrrha weapons is used to upgrade Jaune sword so technically Pyrrha indirectly help kill Penny. Pyrrha - 2 Penny - 0
@NikaeArts
3 жыл бұрын
I thought the same thing x'D
@MrPixel_
3 жыл бұрын
They brought her back exclusively to kill her off again. I'd been joking about it before, but Penny evens says it in the beginning of Volume 7. "It'll be just like Beacon again!"
@w_out7631
3 жыл бұрын
I'm convinced they pick their plot points with a dart board
@warriorofthegrandline2y618
3 жыл бұрын
“Penny died as a robot, therefore she could easily be brought back into the show at any given moment, now that she became human that’s no longer the case”. -said no one ever. EDIT: April 12th 2021 Why doesn’t anyone talk about how ruby admitting to Pietro and Maria both being dead from Amity falling due to penny not being able to hold it up I mean the reason why ruby would deny yang and look like she lost hope was because her plan failed and she even said in eps 11 that Amity fell so wouldn’t that mean ruby was hurting already Unless.....y’know.........that didn’t happen
@Xacibij
3 жыл бұрын
But why make her robo death so dramatic for the characters?
@accwontletmereplyanti-mobm7104
3 жыл бұрын
Lol now i feel weird cause i actually was saying the first half 😂 when ppl got mad at penny being rebuilt, i wasnt shocked. Cause she was a robot. I thought it was obvious they would rebuild her but i guess that really was just me.
@ma.2089
3 жыл бұрын
@@accwontletmereplyanti-mobm7104 ppl assumed that but a good chunk of why ppl didn’t think it would happen is cuz they made a huge point to say that Penny had a soul. So even if they rebuilt her, her soul was gone. Not only that, they’d have to go to Beacon, and the whole reason why they couldn’t retrieve her “corpse” was cuz it was in the middle of an attack so if they couldn’t do it then, how did they do it later? It was possible, but she simply wouldn’t be Penny. What would have been interesting is bringing her back and then asking “is this actually penny?”. Maybe she wouldn’t have the memories as those cannot be recreated without her body. Maybe they got her body, but her soul is fundamentally different so she doesn’t act the same. Maybe they’d explain how they made the soul to begin with or explain what dying little girl soul they used to place inside the mechanical body. Either way, the implication was that penny couldn’t be perfectly retrieved. But they just...did. So it lost any stakes or tension.
@thgritic102
3 жыл бұрын
I assumed when she was brought back , her memories would at least be gone if her motherboard/core was damaged because of the slicing. It would then show how cold an android could be since the human side is gone, and Ruby would be trying to be friends with Penny instead of Penny trying to be friends with Ruby. But nah, she came back all hunky dory meaning Ruby cried for nothing.
@thgritic102
3 жыл бұрын
@@ma.2089 Exactly my thoughts. The old Penny would have been gone, and a new one would be in her place with no soul basically.
@the8flo1
3 жыл бұрын
Also, Penny had no idea if Winter was alive at that point. Imagine the maiden powers being like "Nah, not possible, the powers are going to someone random instead."
@kidprime6863
Жыл бұрын
That's basically what happens if they die without a successor. The powers will go to a random person and it'll be difficult find because it could anybody in the world.
@Dragontamer179
3 жыл бұрын
They wanted the stakes and emotion that come with a main character death, but they didn't actually want to kill anyone. They just brought back a dead girl to kill her again and show that cinder is still a threat
@kidprime6863
Жыл бұрын
Worse the nerfed said character to do it
@KelShu
3 жыл бұрын
Dude, we went through all of that effort to turn her into a human, and they kill her off 30 minutes later
@JonLa89
3 жыл бұрын
Penny you're real girl now ....... A real dead one LOL.
@trilight3597
3 жыл бұрын
@@JonLa89 I mean Ruby cries a scythe, so yea know...
@dwinonuggies4521
3 жыл бұрын
Jaune and Pyrrha have something in common now
@JonLa89
3 жыл бұрын
Murderers in love
@dwinonuggies4521
3 жыл бұрын
@@JonLa89 I- LOL
@sammydray5919
3 жыл бұрын
@@JonLa89 was it even love? With how garbage the writing in the show is I am genuinely convinced the only reason she even "liked" Jaune because he was literally the only guy not to faun over her and she forced herself to "like" him. Kinda like a stupider Stockholm syndrome lol
@patchwurk6652
3 жыл бұрын
@@sammydray5919 ...Made somewhat worse by the realization that Jaune didn't treat her normally out of some genuine desire to treat her like everyone else. No, it was literally the fact that Jaune, for the sake of the plot, is the Only character who seems to fundamentally not know how the world he lives in works, or who literally anyone who'd be in the news is (Phyrra was already famous beforehand legit celebrity, but Jaune is the only person who has absolutely no clue who she is. That's like being an American and not knowing who Scarlet Johansen is, you don't look cool for not understanding basic common knowledge, yet here's Jaune is: Literally born yesterday.)
@sammydray5919
3 жыл бұрын
@@patchwurk6652 Thank you for pointing that out. I thought I was crazy since most of the fandom just never seemed to register that fact. Like unironically Jaune seemed like an Isekai protagonist with how unfamiliar he is with the world he lives in lol. Like seriously wtf???
@javondozier7904
3 жыл бұрын
Ironwoods plan was to raise Amity and have Winter be the maiden. Then Rwby comes and takes his ideas and the glory and place him as the bad guy. THE HEROINES EVERYONE!
@eggplantwizard64
3 жыл бұрын
I still think Penny should of just had a cameo when the team was in the old man's shop. As the crew is talking, ruby notice something in the background. She sees a curtain and infront of it something that belonged to penny. Ruby pulls back the curtain to see a lifeless penny in the middle of repairs. The old man says that after the beacon he tried to restore her but her uniqueness was lightning in a bottle and has no idea how to replicate it. That is it, you see penny, get reminded of how she died and that there are consequences and death is a theat.
@filipe19991
3 жыл бұрын
I honestly never saw Human Penny as real character. She had so many red flags, that i am more suprised that she didnt become the new Pyrrah.
@badbloodkiller3471
3 жыл бұрын
Actually she did become new Pyrrah, she just as dead but with two deaths!
@filipe19991
3 жыл бұрын
@@badbloodkiller3471 And nobody care about her 3 deaths
@Dragiare
3 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to see Ruby thank Juan for killing her best friend in Vol 9. Especially if Penny's body washes up on the shore. Then Ruby and Juan can go to Yang about how to get over their PTSD. 😒
@loiiysailor1177
3 жыл бұрын
I can see it now Ruby forgives Jaune for killing Penny while main characters are getting pissed to anyone who hurt or kill their friends and family right front of them or off screen . Inuyasha Naruto Goku Deku Anag Natsu Eren Sailor moon Sonic Etc etc you get the point Wow it seems thses characters got better emotions then Ruby is she a sociopath ???
@Dragiare
3 жыл бұрын
@@loiiysailor1177 Funny part. What little people I know that still watch RWBY have called team RWBY sociopaths recently, lol.
@goodlion335
3 жыл бұрын
Ruby is not a sociopath. Writers are. Or at least somewhere near that. Because this is only reasonable explanation for their lack of understanding of human emotions, bonds and how sane people think and feel to begin with.
@loiiysailor1177
3 жыл бұрын
@@goodlion335 they think hooking up is a human bound which is why this show shipping heavy mosty with BB , any else pfffff emotions is on demand not on story
@northp3214
3 жыл бұрын
Has Jeaune ever speak with Penny before? They had some interaction? In this time he should fighting with Cinder. I think Weiss is a better choice to kill Penny, at least she would remind Penny Winter.
@JonLa89
3 жыл бұрын
Not a single word spoke to her the entire series since the vital Festival when Penny was introduced
@gayanudugampola8973
3 жыл бұрын
So your telling me that character wise since the 2 of them didn't interact. Their actions together had no meaning? Oh okay. I stopped caring about the characters a while ago.
@fernandogonzales9240
3 жыл бұрын
I really was expecting Weiss to get the power. She was right there, fighting Cinder. It made perfect sense for her to get the power. I really did feel like an idiot when Winter got the power instead
@whiskeyhound
3 жыл бұрын
Dunno, she's losing in the background to the person that absorbs maiden powers, getting distracted by Penny vision right in front of Cinder mid fight doesn't sound like a good plan
@fernandogonzales9240
3 жыл бұрын
@@whiskeyhound meh, good point
@kidprime6863
Жыл бұрын
If anybody deserves the power, it's Nora
@alexandrapagan3222
Жыл бұрын
@@kidprime6863 Your goddamn right.
@kidprime6863
Жыл бұрын
@@alexandrapagan3222 Exactly, it would've bridged the gap between "making one of the main characters into a Maiden and making one of the side characters too OP". Besides, Winter was too underdeveloped and it's too on the nose. Nora seemed to help Penny through her problems more than Winter. Hell, it was Nora who told her "it's apart of you".
@nievesshiratama3964
3 жыл бұрын
Monty would be revolving in his grave if he knew what Rooster Teeth did with his creation... It's a total shipwreck.
@STARSRav3n
3 жыл бұрын
After I read Shane's letter I knew RT was gonna ruin RWBY. They used their friend and his death as a reason to steal the biggest money maker they had since RvB and go full corporate assholes.
@gamerbeast3616
3 жыл бұрын
not talk about the dead like that its disrespectfull
@trilight3597
3 жыл бұрын
@@gamerbeast3616 People do it all the time about HItler, Stalin and other people. People do a lot of disrespectful things like spiking you Smash Bros. Being an smart ass aside, I can't help but agree, he'd be DDRing in his grave.
@STARSRav3n
3 жыл бұрын
@@gamerbeast3616 i would argue its far more disrespectful to tell the wife of the dead man that she no longer has any role in something that she helped create.
@vinceunknown1935
3 жыл бұрын
@@STARSRav3n I wonder if we can somehow go to a universe with Monty alive he would at least make sense of anything that has happened up to this point
@inplane9970
3 жыл бұрын
They're trying so hard to give Jaune a memorable character moment, but I've yet to see any. I'm not here to see teenagers be angsty and edgy. I'm here to see them kick ass with their fighting skills. Jaune has yet to do that and it's been 8 volumes. Why is he even a character, let alone a main one.
@GDC2127
3 жыл бұрын
I agree. They set him up to be this weakling who had to cheat his way into being a fighter when he wasn't even a good one. The creators gave him character moments that showed him improving and getting better yet not being strong enough to protect those close to him. All of this is VERY relatable to viewers because we understand how personal failings work and the strive to be better so that we don't fail again. They did all of this so that we can see Jaune grow into a badass that can go toe-to-toe with some of the strongest villains... but then they didn't even do that. His chances were in Volume 4 when up against the nuckelavee with his new greatsword weapon and volume 5 when he had a chance to prove to viewers and Team RWBY that he can at least stand against Cinder (while still losing to her to give him more to develop.) They took both of those things away from him because the "true" protagonist can't be showed up by a filthy side character. It is just sad man. So many moments for Jaune to grow and all he is now is a pinball protagonist who happens to be a glorified portable battery.
@gayanudugampola8973
3 жыл бұрын
They give him an op semblance. And make him stupid as hell. Him killing Penny didn't matter emotionally because neither him or Penny had significant and interactions with one another. I wouldn't even call Jaune and Penny friends.
@inplane9970
3 жыл бұрын
@@GDC2127 Ironically,. he was a better fighter when he didn't unlock his semblance. He took on a whole ursa Grimm alone and managed to slice its head off. Many students his grade couldn't even handle basic grimm. That's character development. His semblance is literally a crutch. An excuse to even keep him around while giving him minimal development. He's supposed to be a vanguard-type of fighter who focuses on shielding and counter-attacking like when he fought the scorpion Grimm with his old team. Everything he does is slow, sluggish, and makes no sense.
@kanden27
3 жыл бұрын
So straight up, my local Fox 59 news KZitem channel had a story titled (Study: Redheads feel less pain)
@XC11301991
3 жыл бұрын
They literally just Star Wars it to subvert expectations for shitty shock factor than good consistent writing. "Penny became human so they definitely won't expect her to die immediately"
@SpammytheHedgehog
3 жыл бұрын
I'm still upset on how Rooster Teeth used Neo.
@Rinoa_Homura
3 жыл бұрын
In Volume Two, upon learning Penny was a robot, they should’ve added a scene like this: Ruby: What happens if you're destroyed? Penny: Oh, as long as my core remains intact, I'll be fine. In Volume Three, when Penny is destroyed, Ruby's reaction will be the same... until she remembers what Penny said to her. So she jumps into the arena not only to save Pyrrha, but to see if Penny's core is alright, which it is. From then on, she'll keep it on her person. After she uses her silver eyes, either Qrow or Tai will send it to Atlas, or it'll stay on her person and, once she wakes up and explains what it is, she'll have it sent to Atlas. In the former scenario, Qrow will explain to his niece that Penny should be fine, but because of the towers shutting down, they're not sure when she'll be complete. In the latter, Ruby is at least hopeful in the wake of Yang's dismemberment, Blake's departure, and Weiss' return to Atlas. Ruby, meanwhile, will have the trauma of having seen Pyrrha be killed and Penny 'die', but with the latter, she at least knows she'll be alright. Rather than grieve over her loss through Volumes Four through Five, she'll simply be wondering, "When will I see Penny again?" Had this been planned, that's how I would've plotted Penny's return. That way, she wouldn't have had to die twice.
@casualfanatic4217
3 жыл бұрын
Penny: Wow not only did I come back to life but I also became the next Winter Maiden proving to everyone and myself that I have a soul and can make my own choices. I can’t wait to see what I do next volume RT: Sooo guess what Penny? You get a virus and self destruct Penny: What?!?! RT: BUUUT in the process you also get yourself a human body, finally completing your character arc Penny: Oh? I thought my arc was completed last volume, you know with everything I just said RT: Well we’re double completing it because we’re just that good at writing Penny: Well I think that’s fine, it doesn’t hinder anything and will make the audience proud of me for finally fulfilling my dream. So what else do I do in Volume 8? RT: Oh nothing else Penny: Oh I see, since I’ve completed my character arc I don’t really have a purpose in the show anymore, so I’ll just sit in the background continuing to be cute or go off on an off screen adventure like protecting Atlas or the staff RT: No nothing like that Penny: Oh so I guess you’re saving me for an important role in Volume 9? RT: No you’re not in Volume 9 Penny: Excuse me, then what else am I supposed to do- RT: 👉💥
@kidprime6863
Жыл бұрын
That pretty much sums it up
@vadandrumist1670
3 жыл бұрын
There needs to be a version of RWBY that shows everyone's health/aura bars. Well, if they had made it consistent to begin with, but they didn't so I guess save it for a hypothetical remake.
@falconeshield
3 жыл бұрын
They did it cleverly till V2 with the scrolls but eh can't have that post V3
@ShadowSaberBaroxio
3 жыл бұрын
More importantly than Penny's aura breaking is the fact that she LITERALLY stops guarding herself with her floating swords right before she gets stabbed. Seriously, she's actively guarding herself seconds before Cinder stabs her. She puts down her guard and looks to the side because apparently she failed basic combat training.
@93ImagineBreaker
3 жыл бұрын
rwby- if are characters aren't forgetting their powers, getting nerfed/boosted, or having aura be inconsistent, their dropping their guard on a active battlefield
@ughgowonsscalpandcrunchyvo4926
3 жыл бұрын
pretty sure Penny looked to her sides because she was worried for Weiss and Jaune ( most especially aura-less Weiss because Penny looked towards her ) since Cinder created a wall of flame to split them up. Also, the flames blocked Penny’s vision from Cinder so it was technically a sneak attack which used Penny’s “protective” nature to distract her
@93ImagineBreaker
3 жыл бұрын
@@ughgowonsscalpandcrunchyvo4926 but why drop her aura
@ughgowonsscalpandcrunchyvo4926
3 жыл бұрын
@@93ImagineBreaker I don’t think anyone can let down their aura, it’s just there. Based on past episodes, Cinder’s grimm arm can bypass aura like when she killed Vernal back in Volume 5
@93ImagineBreaker
3 жыл бұрын
@@ughgowonsscalpandcrunchyvo4926 you sure she can bypass aura aura or simply she let her guard down
@nothinginparticular6419
3 жыл бұрын
Ruby: idk we need you to make doors to vacuo literally everywhere so everyone can be safe and make them really easy to spot Cinder: I have absolutely no clue what air head ruby is doing so last all knowing question I need you to tell me what ruby is planning. She's too elaborate. Too clever. Too cunning.
@lunarrobot9714
2 жыл бұрын
Penny fan here. *warning: long post ahead* (TDLR; I agree that Penny was proved not only useless to the entire story, but want to point out that how they handled her character also proves that modern tech in general is usless to the setting and plot.) So to elaborate: Remember when we first met Penny and there was that fan theory that they were gonna put maiden powers in robot girls so they couldn't die of old age? And people thought that's why Penny was built? Because of the state Amber was in? And them revealing to us that aura transfer tech was a thing? And so there could be a non dying maiden that they could control for generations and not worry about it being tossed to someone random and having to look for and sacrifice new candidates? It makes sense. Because ironwood at the time was all about not using human soldiers anymore because you could replace them with robots and have way less casualties. But then they killed her and we're all like, "oh I guess that wasn't the plan. They must have another purpose for her." Then she was brought back and we thought "oh ok! Now well get to find out what she was actually built for." Then she gets the maiden powers. So is that... what she was made for after all? Ok, it took them a minute to get here, but this is still interesting. Maybe Penny will be a parallel to Cinder now in trying to get all the maiden powers? Or maybe Penny will complete team JNPR so they can finnaly move on from Pyrrah and be whole again? Or she becomes a real girl and adds to the teams dynamic and banter by traveling with them now? Or they planned on her being jaunes new love interest and he succeeds in protecting her so he can redeem himself for not being able to save pyrrah? These are the most interesting idea possibilities the show has had in a long time. Then they just.... KILL HER with no payoff. And give it to winter of all people. Honestly, I don't understand why people like winter so much or wanted her to be the maiden other than her name and design. I don't see anything else that can be done with her character. And from a story perspective it makes no sense because Penny wanted to be sure cinder couldn't get it. SO WHY DIDN'T SHE JUST USE THE STAFF TO TRAP CINDER AND THEN GO THROUGH THE PORTAL?! Why tf did they give Penny the staff if she wasn't gonna use it??? If Penny was gonna die, the least they could've done is let cinder actually win for once and get the power, so she can start being an actual threat and advancing her goals. God it's so annoying to have the most occuring villan be cinder and have her constantly whine about power then never get any stronger. Either give her more powers or kill her and replace her with someone less pathetic. Giving it to winter didn't change anything. And I'm miffed about that, because I feel like that was the most uninteresting route they could've taken at the cost of Pennys death. Even though Penny opened up so many potential plot threads. But what's worse, is that this volume also makes technology pointless. Why? This show is a mix of magic and scifi tech. Maiden Penny is the perfect blend of both these things and could potential help them research a plan to kill Salem. Maybe they transfer her into a robot body that isn't corrupted by icor? Use the aura transfer machine to take her magic/aura away? See if the relics/silver eyes can be modified with modern tech or dust to maybe make them usable against her? Because now they know technology can interact with magic. They should be thinking "If we can't kill her with magic, maybe we can do something with advanced tech! Which is why we couldn't do anything about her before because we weren't this advanced yet!" Because at first the only possible way they've been told they can beat Salem is by talk no jutsuing her into learning her lesson. But because of what Penny proved by becoming a maiden, they have more options now. But it seems like they have no plans of doing any of that. They killed/ made dissapear the only two hacker characters we had in the story, destroyed the biggest tech giant kingdom in the world and all it's assests, and keep refusing to consider any technological alternatives to solve their problems. And if that's the case, why did they make this world so advanced and modern if they didn't plan of using that element of the world-building to complement the main issues of the story? If they're just gonna solve all their problems with magic and friendship, why waste the high tech setting? I feel incredibly cheated. Because this didn't just make this voluke bad to me. This made me re-evaluate the rest of the series and now it looks even worse.
@WTFSciences
3 жыл бұрын
I see a patern here Relic : Neo -> Cinder -> Salem -> Neo -> Cinder -> Salem Power : Penny -> dies -> Rebirth -> Takes the power from Winter-> Dies to give the power to Winter -> Pietro will recreate her and die -> She will die again (in Winter's arms ? XD)
@wlfmanjack
3 жыл бұрын
They brought her back for fan service They made a premature decision to make Penny the winter maiden thinking of what possibilities that could lead to Unfortunately they couldn't think of anything and realized they needed Winter to get the winter maiden powers just to kill her off too so that Weiss can get the powers in a later volume, we all know RWBY are going to be the new maidens This volume ruined Penny, Watts, Ironwood, and Neo. Who's next people, probably Sun I'm guessing, the writers really don't care about him
@falconeshield
3 жыл бұрын
He was an abuser all along! /s
@upjohn1715
3 жыл бұрын
I heard they kinda did that already in the Before the Dawn novel, I haven’t read the book I recommend watching Celtic Phoenix Productions streams reviewing the book from what I heard Sun became a joke.
@wlfmanjack
3 жыл бұрын
@@upjohn1715 I mean they cucked him a lot already so not surprised they still doing it I'm not even watching the show anymore and I'm already depressed on what the vacuo arc is gonna bring
@upjohn1715
3 жыл бұрын
@Wlfmanjack U and me both 😒
@shadeskitsune7830
3 жыл бұрын
The I died cause I forgot I had an aura shield for the sake of the plot trio: Sienna Khan Vernal and newest member Penny!
@scottgrey3337
3 жыл бұрын
RT has a bad tendency to backtrack based on criticism, without realizing their choices are often a point of no return. I didn’t want Penny returning with no consequences, but now that she is back, you’ve got to do something worth it.
@kidprime6863
Жыл бұрын
And not waste it like a used tissue
@sammydray5919
3 жыл бұрын
Daily reminder that pyhrra died a meaningless death and has been forgotten by pretty much all of the cast
@backtothefold
3 жыл бұрын
Pyrrha, Arkos, never forgetten, haven't forgiven.
@2097Pyros
3 жыл бұрын
It's one thing to set the new standard for "Women in Refrigerators", as they did with Pyrrha. It's another to almost leap OVER the bar you set, as they did with Penny. How progressive they are.
@BJC1495
3 жыл бұрын
Writers: Logic? Consistency? Payoff? Don’t worry about any of those things guys. Trust us, we got this big, grand story we want to tell for RWBY. It’s going to be great
@tdninternet9916
3 жыл бұрын
Reality: Writing by the seat of their pants and pretends to not see the story that has no believable happy ending they're crafting
@gayanudugampola8973
3 жыл бұрын
@@tdninternet9916 is that a "this is basically" reference?
@tdninternet9916
3 жыл бұрын
@@gayanudugampola8973 If it was, it wasn't intentional. Lol
@celtic889
3 жыл бұрын
Lol i wanted pyrrha to come back as she was the main reason I got invested into the show. But yeah I rather she stay dead now to prevent these clown authors from ruining her.
@GODZILLA2915
3 жыл бұрын
I’m actually thinking they will have dead characters come back. Either the main characters physically travel to the afterlife or revival. Only reason I can think of as to why Penny came back and quickly die.
@casualfanatic4217
3 жыл бұрын
Clown Authors: That’s a great idea take notes 📝
@NekoKujo6785
3 жыл бұрын
@@GODZILLA2915 Dude, you might’ve just called it. Everyone remember this!
@celtic889
3 жыл бұрын
@@GODZILLA2915 Sounds like a feasible plotline, if you told me about this theory this back in vol 3 or 4. I would be excited... but with the cesspool we have now, idk if its a good idea anymore.
@SuperBrunout
3 жыл бұрын
@@Gordonfreeman551 Stop acting like a brat. You do it in every vídeo.
@IDSearcher
3 жыл бұрын
I think that if you removed Penny from the latest volumes entirely, literally nothing would change down to the scene level, you'd only get to some points (like Winter becoming the maiden) a bit faster.
@Zoditron
3 жыл бұрын
As a Penny fan, I am seriously effing livid they killed her off, after just turning her human, after giving her the maiden power, after bringing her back. WHAT WAS THE POINT?!?!
@DarkCityStudio
3 жыл бұрын
EruptionFang says it best. "I'm sorry that you were in this volume."
@nmjjmn663
3 жыл бұрын
They couldn't handle people ridiculing them for bringing Penny back, so they killed her again.
@Saltedroastedcaramel
3 жыл бұрын
....Which will lead them to be ridiculed again for being idiots
@Salty-Doggy
3 жыл бұрын
They remembered that Penny was based on Pinocchio and they wanted to make her a real girl. That is the only possible explanation I could think of.
@gressivekom
3 жыл бұрын
Volume 7: Penny is back at the beginning Volume 8: Penny dies near the end of the volume. Seriously, why? What was the point of bringing her back if they were gonna kill her off anyway?
@sammydray5919
3 жыл бұрын
What do you mean "at this point"??? It has all been meaningless for a good while now
@SpammytheHedgehog
3 жыл бұрын
I wish Monty Oum was still here. He would've fixed these characters.
@kriblar98
3 жыл бұрын
I dont think he was the one leading in the writing department but at least the fights would of been better
@iattacku2773
3 жыл бұрын
Not really Monty sucked at writing. His thing was animations.
@CPTBlarg117
3 жыл бұрын
I doubt it. The way I understand it, back during Vol 1&2, he left pretty much everything in M&K's hands so he could go animate.
@Not_Ciel
3 жыл бұрын
Fixed? He would've never let them get this bad. Yes, he wasn't the main writer back then, but the dude was literally the head of the project. Kerry and Miles probably still had to run the scripts by him so that he could revise what he wanted to.
@falconeshield
3 жыл бұрын
@@iattacku2773 True but V1&2 were never this bad in terms of writing, not all the time
@livingghost7975
3 жыл бұрын
I think traumatizing Jaume has become an RT fetish. What’s next to save ruby jaune has to literally suffocate his nephew bashing his sisters skull in while she’s struggling and screaming for help I order to once more save the ice princess. How are they going to top themselves next.
@c-men1939
2 жыл бұрын
Don't give them ideas
@losnfjslefn8857
3 жыл бұрын
They literally brought her back for no reason other than fanservice 😆 That seems to be the motivation for some of the things that happen in this show. Not because it makes sense for the story or the characters, but because... Fanservice. Gotta give people a reason to keep watching, I guess. 😂😂 EDIT: Remember everyone... Pyrrha DIED thinking she killed Penny for good. She DIED thinking she took Ruby's friend away. I guess they really wanted that particular trauma to go to Jaune. Ruby should have been the one to kill Penny. Folks on RT are always talking about how they want Ruby to "break". Well they just missed a perfect opportunity 😒
@carmenmonoxide9601
3 жыл бұрын
At this point,this show is a lost cause to me.
@mray4784
3 жыл бұрын
For me it was since Volume 6 ending.
@browniepotatodipd6177
3 жыл бұрын
@@mray4784 since 4
@tdninternet9916
3 жыл бұрын
It was a lost cause since they decided to make Salem have complete immortality
@tonywalker3541
Жыл бұрын
Bringing Penny back and turning her into a human just to kill her off five minutes later is when I finally lost what little hope I had left for this series. As Mark Hamill once said: "It'd be funny if it weren't so pathetic."
@Lilypadtheamazingfox
3 жыл бұрын
Another reason why I hated this is because this was delebratly triggering for me. While Penny was fighting the virus I started to see myself in her. I've been off and on suicidal for almost 10 years. Her crying out for Ruby and the others to kill her spoke to me so much. When I'm at my worst sometimes I just cry out to myself if you love me let me die. This could be directed at God, my parents, or my friends. I knew exactly how Penny felt. Seeing her get over the virus and have hope again made feel like I had hope. Then only an episode later her making the choice to die crushed me. Especially with how useless it was. I know it sounds silly but Penny was my hope for a better future for myself. Over half my life I've felt like ending it. I've never been bothered by a character death like this before. If Cinder had killed her it wouldn't have bothered me but the fact that the character I used to help me live basically killed herself it crushed me. Even know seeing anything to do with her death causes panic and depression. This choice the series made is making me debate dropping the show. It's not like Vine's self sacrifice where it atleast made a little logic. However Penny killed herself for seemingly no reason.
@martinhernandezdominguez8561
3 жыл бұрын
Interesting, I never saw it that way, I don’t know if maybe I don’t have a heart or because all the empathy I had for the characters was lost by every volume. But in the end it’s another typical case of rwby. Good idea, bad execution.
@spinballproduction9678
3 жыл бұрын
I'm very sorry for you.
@SonodaSymphony
3 жыл бұрын
I’m so sorry, Penny was a victim to bad writing. But please don’t let yourself end up eventually being a victim to suicide or depression. Please seek help when needed, even if it means dropping the show (personally I would if I was in your place, RWBY is just not worth watching at this point). I believe in you
@xprojectsa3627
3 жыл бұрын
You know jaune could've dragged penny off the edge and sent them both to that weird island 🏝
@trilight3597
3 жыл бұрын
If only he knew the island before hand existed. That makes her death more contrived.
@JustaLuni
3 жыл бұрын
To pull on your heartstrings but my heart has been dead for years
@trilight3597
3 жыл бұрын
Those heartstrings were already cut and I'm not a heart surgeon but those aren't reattaching.
@sammydray5919
3 жыл бұрын
Nah my heart is just fine. Its just that this series has been dead for literally years now. Fuck bring me an emotional episode of any good anime, and I'll still cry like a baby but for this garbage show?? Hell nah. Its not even funny bad anymore 🙄
@justapotato1176
3 жыл бұрын
Also, why didnt Pennys best friend, Ruby get it? Oh yeah she fell. But like she could've died while grieving for ruby falling, then boom ruby gets the power. I hate the idea of Ruby getting the power, but it made the most sense.
@Mark-fc7tu
3 жыл бұрын
CRWBY wanted to 'subvert' expectations just for the heck of it. And they were surprised when people found it annoying.
@nmjjmn663
3 жыл бұрын
If this is the route they were planning to go, they should've had Penny already be the winter maiden at the beginning of V7.
@kidchaos6711
3 жыл бұрын
For a second when Penny asked Jaune to kill her I thought he wouldn't do that and Jaune would protect her and say something like "I'm not losing anymore friends" or something like that. But nah let's just kill her and give the power to Winter
@hordonia2572
3 жыл бұрын
Vexed: I don't understand RT: Me neither
@DuelSoul
3 жыл бұрын
Wasted potential in a nutshell. They could have taken Penny's revival in a number of directions for drama or tension but chose the laziest, trolliest one. For example, they could have had her come back, but perhaps had a factory reset without her memories of team RWBY. Then rebuild those relationships with that deja vu vibe bringing Penny's robotness versus human nature up. Then have the ramifications to being framed with ostracising and fear from the public of her, then have the hacking issue come up. Have her doubt control of her own actions, have her lose control while being perfectly aware of what's going on around her. Have Watt's control her from behind the scenes for that final fight (gives him a reason to stick around) with her fighting at Cinders side and having RWBY outclassed by two maidens together. They manage to fight Penny to a standstill temporary standstill with her resistance, "Let me choose" has weight, has meaning- she's loses control about to strike down an auraless Ruby who has absolute faith in Penny's will to not hurt her. No strike comes. Camera pans down to a weapon through Penny's core as clarity dawns on everyone. Penny drops to the ground with a smile and passes the torch to Winter, the relationship between Ruby and whoever struck down Penny changes and evolves. Much more tasty from a story, drama and character development point and l came up with that in five minutes, what's CRWBY's excuse.
@JAM_FRIO
3 жыл бұрын
If they really wanted to kill her again, your narrative would've been Miles better (pun intended).
@redvelvet5374
3 жыл бұрын
Jaune must be extremely traumatized at this point. First, Pyrrha takes an arrow to the heart, he goes through multiple volumes just being a nomad basically, travelling and fighting grim, and now he has to kill one of his friends. This made me like Jaune more, as he's been through so much, but as a Penny fan I am... Mmn, not ecstatic.
@RebaHashiri
3 жыл бұрын
This is no longer RWBY, This is Jaune & Oscar. Featuring Rwby.
@browniepotatodipd6177
3 жыл бұрын
yep.
@YumikoYouku
3 жыл бұрын
It feels like Crimes of Grindelwald 2.0. Somebody wanted Winter to be the Maiden but... I don't know another writer won a bet and was allowed to do whatever they wanted for one episode and gave Penny the powers and then another writer killed Penny in the end to give it to Winter at last so they have their will... Its simply a mess and it served no purpose.
@drunknbard2807
3 жыл бұрын
Mannnnnn. Aint nothing funnier than listening to ilterate RWBY Fans defend RWBYS Writing and Character Arcs
@RaidenKaiser
3 жыл бұрын
RT:ok fans really want Penny back writers, do it or your fired. Writers: *smoking weed * shaw man we we would love to *1 season and a half later* Rt:.....Annnd she's dead again.....looks like we have another pr nightmare
@asianman1417
3 жыл бұрын
Wait, does Jaune using his sword to stab Penny counts as Pyhrra killing Penny for the second time since his weapon is infused with Pyhrra's gear?
@JonLa89
3 жыл бұрын
If Pyrrah and Juane could have been together for that one scene I would have loved for them to do the "we did it" dance from Dora the Explorer since both are responsible for killing Penny and in a way
@upjohn1715
3 жыл бұрын
The irony is strong with this finale 😔
@DrakeKnight99
3 жыл бұрын
This proves Phyrra should've lived. Imagine the moment when she has to kill Penny again to save everyone and blue screens
@casualfanatic4217
3 жыл бұрын
I actually think it was smart of the writers to kill Penny off like this. Now she won’t have her character butchered anymore and I can finally drop this horrible show after losing the one thing that kept me attached
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