Before +P my neighbor shot at two guys with a 1920s H&R 32 S&W that had broken in on him. One was hit in the chin and paralyzed for life when the projectile settled in his neck, and the other guy ran. I think my question is have criminals skin really gotten that much tougher over the years or is all this high powered stuff just an excuse for more expensive toys In the name of protection.?
@michaelgibbs3011
4 жыл бұрын
Before 38 Special ammo was rated +P, standard pressure for that round was MORE than today's +P. That was the industry standard. That standard was lowered by the industry. The +P rating is a marketing term. I have a Colt Cobra, my EDC. It was made in 1954. My carry ammo is Remington Golden Saber +P.
@mbw65
2 жыл бұрын
Here's my take on this. A 1970 Speer loading manual shows max loads for .38 Spcl the same as a +p load in the latest Speer manual. So we always had the opportunity to load +p back in the day.
@brandonm5589
3 жыл бұрын
I may be a child at heart, but the phrase "shooting hot loads" won't ever not make me giggle
@Mike-up6go
3 жыл бұрын
I carry a Smith & Wesson 637 J frame. The cylinder and barrel are stainless steel. Rest of it is aluminum and its +P rated right on the barrel. My carry ammo is Speer Gold Dot 135 grain +P short barrel hollow points. At the range for practice I use a mixture of Remington and Federal 130 grain FMJ standard target loads. The point I am trying to make here is I cannot feel ANY difference whatsoever in felt recoil , muzzle flip, or ability to get back on target amongst the three different loads. They all feel exactly the same to me. IMHO the +P designation is more hype then reality. They can squeeze a bit more out of your pocket by slapping the +P designation on the box while not giving you anything noticeable in return. Just my 2 cents.
@jamesmitchell4178
3 жыл бұрын
I have an aluminum alloy Model 38 made early 1980's. I saw evidence online that a lot of aluminum alloy 38's made by SW developed cracks in the frame that could only be seen by taking off the side plate. Isn't this an excessive pressure problem? I liked your presentation but I would not want to take the chance of my alloy 38 special cracking and send bits of flying aluminum into my face or body. I would never take that chance just to have a hotter round for defense. Additionally I called SW tech support about shooting +P in my gun and they said the gun is not rated or tested for +P ammo.
@ray1965ify
4 жыл бұрын
One of the best videos i have seen. if my b38 special with regular hollow points dosent stop them i will throw the empty weapon at them and run like hell.
@marstondavis
4 жыл бұрын
Shoot 'regular' ammo at the range. At the end of your session you may want to shoot some plus P so you'll be familiar with that particular rounds recoil. It is a bit more than other ammo's recoil. Get to know the round you'll be using to save you're life.
@bronzedragon18
2 жыл бұрын
You need to practice with your carry ammo,at least a few cylinders each month so you know what your gun will do if a confrontation occurs.
@kennethm.johnson
4 жыл бұрын
So a 1976 mint Colt Cobra 38 Special Snub Nose can handle a Plus P Round? Yes, seems to be the answer you give and for that I say thanks because I agree with you whole heartedly. That old steal isn't growing weaker.
@KerrySturm
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much I just bought a 1963 Colt detective special 38 glad to hear +p will be ok your awesome.
@mrcraneoperator870
One of the smarter people on KZitem. Nice to see someone actually take their time to explain the foundations of their opinions especially when it revolves around actual factual evidence. Well done sir and even 4 years later, thank you for your time!!!
@clintwelborn2389
4 жыл бұрын
I have a nickel plated old model 10 S&W from 1957 that fires plus p like a champ. Never had a prob with the plus p. Bravo
@robertslusser6753
4 жыл бұрын
Very informative video. I carry an older Taurus Model 85 38 special steel framed 3" for edc that was made in 1992. I've never really been comfortable shooting too much +p ammo in it but I always figured that the steel frame could handle it. I especially liked how you pointed out the different frame enhancements and reinforcements on the S&W j-frame aluminum alloy frame. I've wondered how they could make an aluminum frame revolver that was stronger than a steel frame and could be rated for +P ammo. Thank you for the info.
@ol-Sarge
3 жыл бұрын
When I entered law enforcement in 1982 I carried the S&W Mal 10 with the lighter, tapered bbl. The new thing was we carried the .38 spl 158 gr LSWCHP + P load, known now as the FBI load. At that time your typical load of ammo was 18 rounds. Some carried it in loops, some in dump boxes and young whippersnappers like me, speed loaders. I was teased for carrying (gasp) a third speed loader, giving me 27 rounds. I figured if the bad guy was betting on me having 18 rounds and then rushing me he was going to retreat it. We also shot the +P loads in our off duty/ detective Chiefs special pistols. New tests show it doesn’t expand in the snub nose. I e since gone to the Remington 110 grain SJHP LOAD, hoping the lighter non + P round will expand. If anyone has done tests with this round, please let me know. I also use it in my S&W M&P pre modal 10. I have also carried my Chief Special loaded with the 148 grain wadcutter round as I understand it performs well out of the 2” bbl. The Chief of my small hometown PD carried wadcutter in his Modal 10 back in the 1960s. He said it was better than the then common 158 grain LRN cartridge. I think he was right. He did shoot a burglar several years later and the wadcutter rounds stopped him. The next morning I walked to school right by the spot and saw the blood on the pavement.
@samhotstick13.28
4 жыл бұрын
Great video I now have a older model 36 with a 3 inch barrel, made in the early 80s I was avoiding plus p ammo but now I'll shoot some. And load it for personal protection.
@stateleo4310
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video, I still have my old 1980's SW model 60 and never had a problem with +P, but it great to know!
@christithomas2897
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this informative video regarding the differences of ammo for 38 Special. It helped me greatly and I appreciate the time you took to explain the differences for +P. When I received the ammunition in the mail I was very concerned with the noted “full size handgun” notation.
@rickmercuri5471
Жыл бұрын
Excellent video! I have a S&W model 60 that I bought in 1985 and fired plenty of +P to know it can withstand the pressure. Like you, I typically use the inexpensive Magtech 38 Special rounds at the range.
@tumbleweed5548
5 жыл бұрын
my opinion is you are 100% correct. i would trust the metal in the 50's through the 70's more than the newer ones.just hard to beat a model 36 Smith.
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