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@SuperLifestream
Жыл бұрын
"people think when they run around invis as sombra they are having value" ITS THE SAME THING FOR BALL. change so hammond can only go into ball for 10sec, 6sec CD
@highheart4300
Жыл бұрын
@@SuperLifestream no. Ball form lets you reload, roll through for damage, survive and position better. Completely different from invis.
@SuperLifestream
Жыл бұрын
@@highheart4300 exactly cause being ball is like the translocator, but has the same effect as being invis. being able to get out of every fight with no risk to death. its the same reason why the devs wont drop balls health by 50. because he would never be able to escape and spent the whole game just rolling around thinking they are doing good
@InfernoZX5
Жыл бұрын
Bring Sam on to talk about the current state of Baptiste. I still think this character is way overturned. Best duelist in ALL categories, immortality for himself and his teammates, 45 rounds which is higher ammunition than a lot of dps characters with similar damage values and mechanical requirements, aoe burst healing, garage door double damage, and the ability to jump away from danger. I think radio silence is occurring on this character and he does not deserve to remain the way he is. Other supports can be discussed because I believe the whole category is becoming overturned but it starts with characters like him, mercy, kiriko and zen.
@iyxon
Жыл бұрын
I am genuinely HEARTBROKEN that a SVB Freedo two hour discussion was lost to the aether
@KKJazz
Жыл бұрын
Same. Damnit Freedo!!
@thor2379
Жыл бұрын
fitzy wanting hero bans is interesting considering he plays sombra who will probably be a top banned character lol
@jaden5843
Жыл бұрын
he has no problem picking mei if you watch his streams
@SupportPikminXOXO
Жыл бұрын
Honestly his mei is better which is why i dont think he mineds. BUT i do think people wont be banning sombra as much due to his teammates. Do you ban a Up and Down Hero like sombra. Or someone Mc cree or their widow. Or their tanks or whatever is meta.
@purplewine7362
Жыл бұрын
I'll aways vote for widow, hanzo or mercy
@rare9242
Жыл бұрын
crazy its almost like people want a fun competitive experience across the board. mind blowing tbh
@BasicSneedEducation
Жыл бұрын
I mean Widow and Hanzo exist
@iTunsiscool26
Жыл бұрын
TO LET YOU ALL KNOW: There is a sharp, high pitched sound at 42:32. Turn down your volume at that time! There's also another around the 46:25 mark. There's probably more later on but I'm going to bed, lol
@therealzahyra
Жыл бұрын
Bless you, that would set me off a lot. Thanks for the heads up 💖
@OneRandomVictory
Жыл бұрын
1:27:37 too
@austinmcmahan6267
Жыл бұрын
OHHHHH i thought my headphones were starting to give out..
@broad_cat
Жыл бұрын
I've noticed this seems to happen on these recordings a fair bit. I'm guessing its something to do with the length of the videos because it's always fairly late on too.
@therealzahyra
Жыл бұрын
Thank you Fitzy. I climbed out of Bronze into plat thanks to my callout ability. I have been preaching to people so much to do callouts and stay polite and they would climb higher, but a lot of people have the misconception that people would tell them to shut up (true, it can happen, especially if you're a woman like myself or part of any other minority, but 99% of the times, people congratulate and thank you and listen to your instructions and they play much better and tilt a lot less. BE THE RELIABLE TEAMMATE YOU WANT IN YOUR TEAM AND YOU WILL WIN MORE GAMES THAN YOU'LL LOSE! CALLOUT AND PLAN. If you want someone to ult for a particular fight, ask politely "hey can we nano visor this fight?" If you see you are winning after using one ult, ask "no more ults please, we don't need them, fight is won". You would be surprised at the results! Keep your voice calm and steady and remember that just because sometimes people are assholes or just don't listen, it doesn't mean you should give up. Mute people whose first sentence is to swap your hero so as to not tilt, and just do your best. "Oh but Zahyra I suck at callouts" .. so did I. I still kinda do. You get better with practice. Good luck! 💖
@THE_MOONMAN
Жыл бұрын
You're totally right! I think men have a hard time with this though as we can be egotistical, I think being polite often gets conflated with submission of some form, even though if you're doing this than man's your literally acting as leader 😂😅 Unfortunately men have fragile ego's and sometimes we expect to be able to say, demand that nano for visor instead of asking politely for it. Even though than noone gets it because everyone starts being a dick to not feel submissive. Even though if you're just polite in the first place than you never have that issue 🤷🏼♂️ But I've noticed this many times in lobbies with all dudes. I actually like playing with women better because this is never an issue. Everyone just tryna play and have fun, I never run into woman that play with their egos like us men do
@solairedude7119
Жыл бұрын
@@THE_MOONMAN Simp comment, bro I've met both sides with egos, guys just are more likely to talk so it's a higher percentage.
@fredericabernkastel8354
Жыл бұрын
I've honestly given up on trying to comm in ranked 🤷♀️ i dislike talking in voice in general since I'm a woman and I only comm with friends - i love shotcalling! But yeah, I'd rather stay out of voice and listen to videos in the background than even possibly getting in contact with douchebags. They most likely don't have a lot of intelligent things to say anyways
@solairedude7119
Жыл бұрын
@@fredericabernkastel8354 If you're staying out of team chat and watching videos in the background of ranked, you're practically throwing lmao
@fredericabernkastel8354
Жыл бұрын
@@solairedude7119 I said listening, not watching. I'm playing the game as regular, but I'm not listening to raging idiots and make myself have a bad time 🤷♀️
@Deborah5000
Жыл бұрын
they’re gonna make translocator 5 times as big so it’s easily detectable, emp radius increased to the entire map, sombra gains 200 armor when hacking rein
@Baby_Foxx
Жыл бұрын
I like Sam's idea of buffing lifeweavers petal platform. If he's to weak I want to see his utility buffed instead of damage
@sushi_mermaid7116
Жыл бұрын
I’m in the process of moving from Japan and going back to America to be with my family. A company just left with all my furniture I used for 5 years. Now I’m cleaning my house to leave in a few days. This podcast is helping me get through such a big change in my life. Listening to this while I clean and pack my things. Thanks ❤ Edit: wow! Thanks for all the love and support! It was a life-long dream to come to Japan and study Japanese but now it’s time to go home.
@b23beatz
Жыл бұрын
Good luck🎉
@BuffNesquikBunny
Жыл бұрын
Good luck my man!
@YaBoyReiner
Жыл бұрын
good luck and safe travels :)
@endless_del
Жыл бұрын
good luck and have a safe flight home ❤
@therealzahyra
Жыл бұрын
Wholesome 💖 safe travels! 💖
@paqui4318
Жыл бұрын
Fitzy is such a positive dude. Love him!
@MrBDTF
Жыл бұрын
bro is salty no one likes that crutch hero 🤣
@brendanclark1058
Жыл бұрын
@@MrBDTFWhat crutch hero?
@ultracloudx
Жыл бұрын
>"Crutch hero" 🤔 what
@mangshu21
Жыл бұрын
@@MrBDTF u do realise a sombra that isn't ulting very frequently and catching atleast 3 people and getting the followup is useless right??
@Doomthepixarkid
Жыл бұрын
AVRL always trolling with his background love it
@noahdtdog9082
Жыл бұрын
As always, can’t wait! Thanks SVB for all you do
@thiefpotato2759
Жыл бұрын
In my opinion, Widows oppressiveness comes from the fact that she gets absolutely no down time. In other games, Snipers are balanced by low ammo count + no movement options besides the generic movement that is giving in the game. She already breaks those two rules. I think honestly the thing to fix widow is to have Widow use more bullets per charge and make her reload longer. 10 charged rounds per clip is insane. Thats either the same or more than Reaper, who has to get up in your face to deal the damage. Making it like 5 charged rounds will make her missing her shots a lot more punishing to miss her shots, which should be what it is in the first place. Especially if they add more reload time. So if she messes up, she will be able to be jumped on. Also fix the maps too.
@ragna3671
Жыл бұрын
My issue with hack is the text, it needs to leave when i can use my abilities that was my way of knowing. I would like the text for the duration of the ability lock out but then turn to a red discord effect for the debuff
@godminnette2
Жыл бұрын
I've had one experience where I was really upset at a Lifeweaver pull, but I didn't say anything; I was fighting in their backline at full health against a ~50hp and ~20hp targer as Sombra, no one had even turned around yet, and I got pulled. They got healed back up to full and we lost the ensuing fight and round.
@ReaveIdono
Жыл бұрын
That was definitely a bad pull.
@Saugerdees
Жыл бұрын
Regarding Widow. I think a red laser showing where she's aiming is a good idea. (Not just a dot on the wall, a whole line across the map) How long does it take her shots to charge up? 2 seconds? Have the laser start out very faint but it grows more solid as her shot charges)
@alfonsovelazquez9565
Жыл бұрын
Literally tf2 sniper
@Saugerdees
Жыл бұрын
@@alfonsovelazquez9565 would that be bad? I've never played it.
@alfonsovelazquez9565
Жыл бұрын
@@Saugerdees no lol its good.
@CZProductions
Жыл бұрын
@@alfonsovelazquez9565 Would make Counter-Sniping brain dead though due to Widows Mobility whereas the sniper in TF2 has no mobility so Counter-Sniping is much tougher
@alfonsovelazquez9565
Жыл бұрын
@CZProductions eh...there's a lot of mobility in tf2 (just behind skill walls) and even then the sniper does fine, he not meta but strong on chokepoints.
@GriFFonRec4
Жыл бұрын
37:59 I feel like Sombra being a disabler type of hero, but she does it in ways of hacking their technology is interesting. In the world of Overwatch, "heroes" are just characters who have good guns, or technology based abilities and they emulate super powers. So Sombra being able to disable them, like a silence in the world of magic, is interesting in it's own right to me. Her being strong against Orisa and being able to cancel her ult just makes sense since she's a robot, and same with Bastion. Genji is part robot so she can disable his abilities when he blades, but he still wields the blade which isn't as technological. Sombra is actually a pretty well designed hero whose lore fits pretty nicely in a PVP setting which I think is clever. Like they didn't have to make concessions to make her "fit" in a PVP environment, it just naturally works with the mechanics.
@Rexkwondo56
Жыл бұрын
😊
@dezNuts716
Жыл бұрын
Thank you SVB
@galev3955
Жыл бұрын
I lost it at "new game mode: 2CP!!!" XD. Too real.
@ryanhawkrider
Жыл бұрын
It really is insane to me that they can make a hero like kiriko, although nerfed she's still (I think) way too good. And then the very next support is lifeweaver and they think those 2 are on equal power levels like guys did you even play test him before releasing
@lrmcatspaw1
Жыл бұрын
New game mode, 2cp! They fixed a bug where 2cp maps were not in the rotation.
@takaruku8128
Жыл бұрын
so samito saying that it would be exciting if microsoft had all these big game titles, would be the same reason they blocked it : microsoft having all these big game titles have a lot of power over the gaming market, forming what we could call a monopoly, and use this big market share to do things that are anticompetitive, like increase prices or not offer games on other platforms
@BaronVonCarrot
Жыл бұрын
Too many people take pulls then W into the tank. Like they are taken over by a bot and kill themselves as fast as possible
@benv9618
Жыл бұрын
I’ve enjoyed this more positive and forward thinking episode!
@pingufan1239
Жыл бұрын
Lifeweaver charging up a right click like a Winston shot could give him a small amount of burst to help with offensive potential to then be followed up by a spray of throns
@endless_del
Жыл бұрын
fitzy's cooking with 150 hp widow. if i can survive peeking widow twice as ana, she deserves to go back to spawn and think about her actions
@ironman1458
Жыл бұрын
Why stop there, give her 125 or even 75 lol. If she makes all characters with less than 300 health irrelevant on certain maps she deserves to be just as fragile
@endless_del
Жыл бұрын
@ironman1458 im mostly (not) kidding but yeah youre right. make her get one shot by kiri headshot idc atp
@CZProductions
Жыл бұрын
Meanwhile us dudes that like Widow but don't have god aim won't be able to play the game anymore. Sounds great!
@endless_del
Жыл бұрын
@@CZProductions get good or stay mad
@CZProductions
Жыл бұрын
@@endless_del That's an elitist POV. Games die if you balance for the highest level, as they have said in the podcast before. You don't absolutely gut a hero for every rank under GM that's just an awful decision all around.
@chrisdunn175
Жыл бұрын
I think you guys are dooming overwatch a little too much. I know it's your livelihood so it's different. But I think you are underestimating how many people are on a console.
@CZProductions
Жыл бұрын
Hard for us to tell since no cross play unless they queue up for it. When we're stuck waiting 5 minutes for a quickplay match on PC it feels dead haha
@chrisdunn175
Жыл бұрын
@@CZProductions damn that's crazy, qp matches are less than a minute for all ranks on console
@tsogud
Жыл бұрын
They act like Life Weaver is such a high skill hero when thats factually untrue, the devs even came out and said he suffers in higher ranks and excels in lower ranks. He's just a badly designed hero and needs to be reworked in some way. Having no value outside of correcting mistakes every 20 seconds, a platform that's easily destroyable, and an ult that's barely an ult is just bad.
@akaj2013
Жыл бұрын
Most players only see numbers and how easy it is to get those numbers. Lifeweaver's team value, like Sombra's, isn't as tangible as their peers. We're so used to supports being cracked we don't know what a balanced support looks like anymore. Edit: Remove hacking while invis. Sombra must expose herself first.
@Farmer_Rick_Ross
Жыл бұрын
Couldn’t agree more with Sam about the ranked system, the only fun I have is grinding the ladder and seeing my improvement and this watered down “user friendly” ranked system that hides everything is just terrible.. show me my actual number and let me see the ranks of my teammates in my lobby
@stanlo5519
Жыл бұрын
Halo forge was that map editor that no one ever talks about.
@alexthebat-uy5be
Жыл бұрын
Wym a lot of people talked about it
@brockrodriguez8618
Жыл бұрын
My buds and I have a running joke with weaver that when he shoots the enemy team he heals them rather than damage them lmao
@cheech6234
Жыл бұрын
Thankgod flats is not here I can actually watch the full podcast
@CZProductions
Жыл бұрын
He doesn't talk a lot when he's here, especially compared to someone like Samito. What do you mean?
@cheech6234
Жыл бұрын
@@CZProductions flats by far the most annoying it's not even close at least Sam is good at all roles, flats is just a boosted rein main hard stuck diamond dps player hahahaha
@CZProductions
Жыл бұрын
@@cheech6234 But what does skill matter? In fact one of the main complaints people levy towards this podcast is the lack of low leveled players opinions.
@cheech6234
Жыл бұрын
@@CZProductions low leveled skill players do not matter I'm sorry but that's the truth if you haven't hit GM before or atleast masters as a tank and dps I don't care what you say
@CZProductions
Жыл бұрын
@@cheech6234 So 99% of the people who play this game don't matter? What are you on about lmao
@Ren_Ca
Жыл бұрын
What if Sombra's invisibility could revert back to ow1, but her hack and translocator stayed in their current iteration?
@Dogma7
Жыл бұрын
I think a hero that takes control away from teammates is inherently hard to work with and doesn't feel good even when he saves you. Thats probably why the ranked experience is lack luster
@immortalmadman4822
Жыл бұрын
We never get any Brig players in the podcast which makes the brig talk kinda biased
@zc8673
Жыл бұрын
Fr. No one here plays Brig. I'm glad Fitzy was here as an informed Sombra player to correct them and share a very brief summary of Brig mains issues.
@jsh.8402
Жыл бұрын
@@zc8673 I'm pretty sure samito has a lot of experience on brig
@Azarthes
Жыл бұрын
what are you talking about? every fucking brig hater has literally climbed to GM1 on Brig. Brig players just are like Mercy players i swear to christ
@kevinfetters7040
Жыл бұрын
@@jsh.8402 I think the stronger point would more so be "We never get any players who like playing Brig" on the podcast. Sam plays Brig but also hates her to the point he'll actively lie about changes they've made to her.
@coldshot1611
Жыл бұрын
Hero bans on certain map would really help this game I think it would be such a great idea to have it. It would make people have to learn to play other characters.
@NicholasLawrence-hy1od
Жыл бұрын
Svb is the goat 🐐!!!!!
@daygoo053
Жыл бұрын
SVB King of this OW ish 👑
@yeehaw-vf2er
Жыл бұрын
I feel like a lot of the frustration that comes from playing against widow comes down to the fact that you don't have TIME to interact with her before you get 1 tapped. What if Blizz changed widows charged shot to only increase in charge while she has vision of a hero. More heroes = faster charge time. No heroes = charge start slowly dropping. That way the widow has to be scouted out before she has the ability to just delete someone. Or what if her charge was capped at a certain amount and the only way to get it above that amount was hovering on a hero? So that way the only way to get to the 1 tap potential would also allow for the other player to see her and react. It might create some really cool playstyles that highlight the mechanical ability of players to hover a tank to charge up and then flick onto a 200hp and headshot them. Also in games like CS or Val, the whole point of the awp is to force good utility usage. You use your 20 flashes/smokes/mollies to push awpers back to worse and worse angles until you have a favorable engagement. Meanwhile in OW shields and barriers that you can use to scale up on a widow feel few and far between. I think it would be interesting to see a support with access to shields/smokes or some way to protect from angles. Outside of things like Sigma shield I feel like the only way to push back a widow is by clicking on her which is what causes the issues with map ranges. The big question there is how to design an ability to not feel like double shield while also not being an ability that just gets shot 1 time by anyone and then popping.
@nethstar
Жыл бұрын
Funnily enough, OW doesn't really utilise any of the counter-sniper stuff used in other games. - no red dot or lazer shown from snipers - no slow reload/fire rate - no lens glare from sniper location when sniper is scoped in - no bullet drop - no slow movement I swear the only thing is the mine which plays like a pseudo claymore.
@trevordoyle5429
Жыл бұрын
As a widow main i would hate to see her changed but if they do their are only a few ways i could see them going about it being either making her ult use the sniper and give her different cool downs for normal play and transition into more of an assassin than a sniper or by reducing the damage to not one shot but giving her a set amount of say 5 bore shots for an ult that will 1 shot or making her a projectile instead of hit scan and adding drop along with reducing the ammo so she cant just spam from range or force her to build charge over time to allow a 100% shot
@johncurry7225
Жыл бұрын
I think there's a lot of space for creativity, specially in a wacky game like Overwatch. I like the idea of her Ult being the Sniper Rifle but then is she just a worse Sojourn? I have this idea in my mind of Widow being a trapper (which fits the Spider theme) and giving her more traps and things like that in her kit and make her one shot a combo you can do with her traps. Make it so shooting someone while they are poisoned (either head or body shot) is a one-shot but she otherwise has more fall-off damage or something. Now that the Hero kits are becoming more complex, I could see her having an expanded and cooler kit that fits the assassin theme.
@jonathasvieira6414
Жыл бұрын
I'm turning 30 this year as well. What's up with time these last years passing so fast?
@CoconutYoyo
Жыл бұрын
Do you think Sniper / One shot characters should have a fixed base damage (based on length of shot charge) and the the last portion of the damage is dot (damage over time) within a short duration. So say Widow does base damage of X + poison damage for 2 seconds for the last portion of overal damage etc. So that you can introduce some for of counter play to the one shot mechanic. So if you are able to respond to the shot you can get healing in time or cleansed of the dot effect for last portion of the damage. I think this would be a good test for Hanzo to try out. They could even try add status effect as an alternative like a slow for 1 sec so that widow can line up the second shot to finish off the kill etc. You can even limit the base damage dealt and let a headshot extend the duration of the dot effect. So slow for 2 sec instead of 1... or poisoned for 3 sec instead of 1.5sec etc. So rewarding utility / dot damage for skill shots. Thoughts on this proposal?....
@Vandassar
Жыл бұрын
What I'm getting from this podcast is that US plat is about equivalent to EU silver. I find it that hard to believe but these guys have said it.
@javerious24
Жыл бұрын
they are speaking from a top 500 borderline pro perspective everything they say about lower elo players is exaggerated
@codysearchfield8258
Жыл бұрын
One thing that I want to add is sometimes when you take the pedal platform, or if you were already on high ground and you try to life grip one of your teammates up to the Highground, if there’s an obstacle in their way, like the cart sometimes they get stuck.
@Tommyov
Жыл бұрын
Moira was definetly edgy and the anime references with her were awesome.
@cousinit1686
Жыл бұрын
Welcome to plat, fitzy, it's hell ;)
@kinopio7871
Жыл бұрын
I have an idea that I think would be super cool as well as potentially making Widow's uncontested one shot range less frustrating, you might notice this is very inspired from Splatoons sniper weapon Squiffer; To start things off, reduce Widow fall of damage by a lot, to where her 1 shot falls off at around 30 or 40 meters and not being able to 1 shot a 200 hp hero. To make up for this, speed up her scoped charge up shot by about 10% or so while also reducing her grappling cooldown by a substantial amount, maybe to 8s or even 6s? That's the general gist of the widow rework I'd like to see! I know this might be a very volatile to a character *meant* to be THE sniper of overwatch and might easily make her broken or underwhelming but with the right adjustments this would make a lot more mobile, rewarding riskier plays by scoping closer while still letting her have that scary one shot potential, without the whole uncontested range part, let me know what you think! (Also love your podcasts recently SVB keep up the good work!!)
@POTGMACHINE
Жыл бұрын
Regarding the fall-off damage for one-shots, even in games where the sniper rifle is incredibly deadly, like Halo. There is a drop-off point where the reticle no longer turns red when hovering over an enemy. The shot will usually hit but won't do as much damage. That said, I don't know how consistent it was over the franchise.
@joshuaalvarez1724
Жыл бұрын
What of widow had to reload after every full charged sniper shot but it wouldn’t use her smg ammo so if someone dives her she could still fight back
@synatra_
Жыл бұрын
another thing that balances snipers in cod is ads time. every weapons ttk is higher than the fastest ads time for snipers. you get one shot, if you miss it you''re dead.
@opiumelite8026
Жыл бұрын
As a Playstation user and a fearful person of the growing issue with monopolies/lack of market competition, I am quite happy with the failed Microsoft acquisition. Microsoft and Sony have a knack for acquiring things just to make it only available through them. I also don't like a single company holding a significant part of any industry (I.e. Disney solely owning 40% of the entertainment industry). It sucks for Activision Blizzard and especially OWL, but I think they'll survive and there will still be major independent studios who's games we can enjoy on all platforms :) ALSO Fitzy is my favorite guest for the podcast so far I want him on more if it's possible😂❤
@Snakestube
Жыл бұрын
Me and my friend have a drinking game. If Sam mentions Brigitte we all drink.
@codysearchfield8258
Жыл бұрын
Liked before the video even started while the ad was playing
@Deprece
Жыл бұрын
1:29:24 I don’t agree with that one. That is a very dangerous game. Many players prefer lower zoom scopes because you get a bigger FOV which means more awareness of the battlefield. I promise you that if Widows would MUCH RATHER have a 2x scope than a 20x scope.
@reformed1trick739
Жыл бұрын
I asked my casual friends if they would like hero bans and they all unanimously said they didn't want it. Most said they just don't want their hero banned
@MrFirefox365
Жыл бұрын
I wonder if giving Hanzo ranged falloff so that he can't one shot past say 10-15m, but not removing it entirely so he can still make those close range plays. The falloff would only bring his damage down to 175 dmg at maximum, then increase his arrow speed back to what it used to be. If you see where I am going with this, this would allow him to still one shot Widow at any range while making it easier to land those ranged shots giving Widow a counter at range. Back when Hanzo was dominant he was considered to have the upper hand against widow because he could quick peak her and be back in cover as his arrow flew.
@bronzy6700
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for bringing avrl on to discuss OWL who has insight into it. Felt a bit hyperbole & negative last time when flats and other wouldnt stop bagging on it.
@Instaslam
Жыл бұрын
They should give Widow DoT that COULD kill if not healed. Have it charge, not from a cool down, but from landing shots consistently. Call it Widow's Bite or something and every 3rd shot has the killing poison on it. Could make it slow too but that might be too much.
@HeyApples
Жыл бұрын
This era is very much starting to remind me of Heroes of the Storm when it got its revamp to free-to-play. Just a slow death spiral where the devs can't quite maintain player interest, can't advance or improve the original formula, people griping about existential nonsense like hero bans, etc. There used to be a podcast similar to this one called Lords of the Storm, and I swear I could close my eyes and copy the same gripes verbatim between these two, and I wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
@forcekin1350
Жыл бұрын
Ideas to nerf widow: - Drop health to 150. - Make her do 75 burst dmg and 25 poison (non-stacking). 150+50 w/headshot. Give supports a chance to heal the target up. - Make her scoped shots use more ammo so she has fewer scoped in shot between reloads. Ideas to rework Sombra: - Make it so translocator can't be placed and increase the throw range 30%. So when you want out, you throw it and Tp out. - Remove invisible hacking. - Give her the bonus damage if attack from behind. Backstab bonus damage. - Remove healthpack lockout for enemy team and have her add half the time back to the cooldown of a taken mega healthpack and instantly replace a mini, EMP still causes lockout. Brig ideas: - Make her shield heal her for 30% of dmg blocked. Similar to Zarya bubble but it heals instead, can still be broken. - Make inspire reduce her repair pack cooldown and speed the team 10% instead of AoE healing.
@highheart4300
Жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie I kinda like where your going with inspire. Always thought she should be have more utility rather than aoe healing.
@forcekin1350
Жыл бұрын
@Highheart I think inspire should inspire your team to rush people down. The decrease in her repair packs cooldown helps her keep the team up while they fight with her. Also, she wouldn't get the inspire healing anymore, so I figured it'd be cool if her shield healed her for damage blocked. The amount of healing might need adjustment with the inclusion of the support passive. But brigs that let their shield break make themselves incredibly vulnerable so they'd have to balance the usage of the shield.
@Spannondorf
Жыл бұрын
My ONLY issue with hero bans is that you know Blizzard will apply them to unranked. For some reason they're very much against giving competitive features that would make it... competitive. Like, I think it's an understandable developer take that it'd feel bad to hop into an unranked game and not be allowed to play your favorite character. It was the reason they didn't want to limit the game to one hero per team WAAAAAY back in the day, but the obvious change of "only apply this to competitive" never seems to cross their mind. It's why comp was affectionately referred to as "quick play plus" for the longest time. They're the same mode, only one has a number go up and down. Hero bans in comp would be a start to actually differentiating the modes and making the competitive experience actually competitive. This is Blizzard though so they'll do some off the wall thing instead.
@spfCoW
Жыл бұрын
Wild idea for Widow, but what if her view range shortened and blacked out the more charged her shot is, compensating by giving her higher base damage? Maybe it goes into like a thermal mode which gives limited view and highlights critical zones, combine that with making her ult also cause allies to have increased crit damage?
@roguedeathangel
Жыл бұрын
For Widows range you could change the color of her reticle to show that you're within range. Alternatively you could put her sniper shot on a cooldown.
@ragna3671
Жыл бұрын
The widow maker issue is solved by map design
@Drybread
Жыл бұрын
Overwatch pros need therapy for how much Brig PTSD they have.
@Geturgutsoffme
Жыл бұрын
at the very end they talk about a map editor. the one they should have referred to is forge from halo. a forge mode in overwatch could be incredible. forge was huge to halo’s success. the need for real devs to make official maps gets almost completely deleted
@jossamar
Жыл бұрын
Fitzy doesn't want hero bans. Sombra would simply cease to exist on a broad scale.
@Harevald
Жыл бұрын
There are so many more heroes that I would ban over Sombra despite Sombra being annoying af. She just isn't picked enough for me to care. I would for sure ban Widow, Hanzo more often or Ana when I'm playing tank because anti is miserable to play around as shieldless tank. I may not like certain heroes but whenever I need to play against something every single game like Ana it just gets boring
@jossamar
Жыл бұрын
@@Harevald As a support, Sombra is high on my list purely from the anti-fun factor.
@SaiSymbolic
Жыл бұрын
As a support main, I would definitely ban Widow and Mercy. Sombra is honestly like a gnat to me.
@jossamar
Жыл бұрын
@SaiSymbolic I'm afraid you haven't faced very good Sombra players if they just feel like a gnat. Widow I definitely agree with.
@joruffin
Жыл бұрын
I feel that Widowmaker is already one of the most balanced snipers in any game. I think the remaining problems are all map based, and just need map solutions. Add more covered access routes in long sightline maps.
@marvynjeanbaptiste3206
Жыл бұрын
What if devs removed the timer on petal so it only goes away when you throw down another one or its hp reaches 0.
@Kurse_of_Kall
Жыл бұрын
Not really relevant. The timer rarely comes into play: either a teammate steps on it for zero value, you use it, or the teamfight moves and you need to place a new one anyways. Very rarely are you going to be in the same spot for 10+ seconds and not have anyone activating a petal.
@Summonick2
Жыл бұрын
Still the worst hero. You could make his petal have no cooldown and still he’d be the worst hero. Make lifegrip 50% lower cooldown. Still probably bad, and even if it finally made him good, it would be absurdly frustrating. They have to make his base healing or damage kit so much better to compensate for how crazy useless his abilities are during the wrong situations. I’d rather have an Ana that left her sleep dart, nade and nano darts at home; I’d rather have a Kiriko that couldn’t use healing cards.
@Kurse_of_Kall
Жыл бұрын
@@Summonick2 That's a massive over exaggeration lol
@benursell43
Жыл бұрын
The annoying part about sombra is the fact that she has the easiest get out of jail free card in the game. With heroes like genji you commit to fighting and you either get kills and win the fight or you probably die but with sombra you get her low and then she teleports back to her translocator in the back of the map and then she is full health and repeats the cycle
@cocob0l0
Жыл бұрын
Anyone that actually knows how to play her doesn’t play like this though
@Harevald
Жыл бұрын
Leaving the fight and being out of fight for 10 seconds is still a high downtime. You may not kill her many times but it's like Recalling back to mega but not having Blinks to stay in fight longer. It's not good to be often forced to teleport away. What makes Sombra annoying af is invisibility. You never know where she is unless you have wallhacks from Hanzo/Widow or randomly shoot walls and hit her. You take 1v1 with someone and she comes out of invis behind your back and you're screwed by something you couldn't know.
@fredericabernkastel8354
Жыл бұрын
Genji also does burst damage which sombra doesn't, ignoring EMP. Unless there's a coordinated dive and you're with your team that somewhat turns around sombra is relatively easy to counter, depending on the rank ig
@benursell43
Жыл бұрын
@@Harevald I agree that leaving the fight makes her worse but power and frustration are two separate things. There should a factor of risk reward that they constantly keep taking away from sombra such as hacking while invisible. At a casual level you just want to get kills and a character that can easily get 0 deaths in a whole match is just annoying not overpowered or strong
@burnkingssn7659
Жыл бұрын
Widow's range needs to fall in line with the range of discord and or rien charge. one shots are much harder to deal with when the game has multiple. We can see this with other abilities too; multiple stuns/cc/disables are a problem, multiple player damage boost is a problem, and multiple players with an invulnerability or res ability is oppressive and problematic. Blizzard could fix discord by making it so that when discord is on a tank it only boosts damage for Zen and possibly his harmony target.
@OneRandomVictory
Жыл бұрын
How I'd rework Widow: Remove the headshot multiplier on Widow's gun but buff the base damage a bit (135?). Replace headshot damage with a dot poison (No more insta death from across the map). Then decrease the ammo consumption of her shots. And make Venom mine viable as a skillshot by making it trigger faster and explode on impact with enemies while upping the projectile speed of throwing it.
@Guil_P
Жыл бұрын
I do think AVRL's observation of CS2's reception versus OW2's reception at around 2:13:34 is a bit incomplete. He says he can't see the difference between the two updates but from my understanding CS2 didn't lose content (2cp), or make a controversial core game mode change (5v5), and introduce a different type of monetization that many find to be worse. For lots of people OW2 came out underbaker and lacking in content warranting the 2 years of no updates for OW1. From the outside looking in CS2, while not a reinvention of the wheel, is still just looking like a better overall value improvement.
@Summonick2
Жыл бұрын
Widow rework off top of my head. Gun no longer charges up. Ult charge increased by 2x from any damage. Ult charge builds passively 500% faster while scoped in on a player. Ult now makes weapon always full charged and give wallhacks. Ult lasts 50% shorter Ult refreshes grapple cooldown on kill.
@derekjones2210
Жыл бұрын
I think something to keep in mind with CS 2 vs OW 2 is that CS sequels haven't historically been all the different from each other. Obviously there are differences between CSS, CS 1.6, and CS:GO but they are all fundamentally the same game because the community doesn't want a new game. It's a competitive game with a proven formula and so there isn't really a point in changing it. That's why CS content droughts aren't all that important either compared to OW. If you want to point to a Valve game that people are pissed at for a content drought, look at TF2. It's a very fun game with a still quite large fanbase and even though it's old there are still a lot of people who play it and love it but because of how Valve is structured where people can "work where they want" but there are internal incentives to work on new things, TF2 gets left in the dust with like one part time dev (and that's literal, I think at least at one point there were one or two devs that spent like a couple hours a week on the game)
@Caedasheen
Жыл бұрын
Thank you SVB for these podcasts.
@gabe4602
Жыл бұрын
Hero bans would just lead to metas like the hog meta we had a couple months ago, if you could ban Ana and Orisa it wouldn’t require saving Suzu for anti/sleep and hog would just go crazy. Ultimately it would just come down to a 50/50 if they banned the broken character or everything that counters the broken character which would just be unfun, also ironic to hear from a sombra player.
@Link2855
Жыл бұрын
Honestly the April fools patch for widow was interesting. Making her critical hits still do the same amount of damage but as a damage over time effect gave supports a chance to save teammates, which is one of the big complaint's I've seen: there's no reasonable counter-play available to supports to save teammates who get insta-killed.
@Chibsification
Жыл бұрын
Make widow a poison over time character shot; like ana, do 100hp a second, but keep the numbers, so a 100% scope headshot does 300hp damage over 3 seconds, it gives the support a 2 second window to counter heal / suzu / regen etc… it’ll feel the same to the widow but will give the team counter play
@PhoTC
Жыл бұрын
i agree overall, but it won't feel the same to the widow. There is no instant gratification there, no snappy 'holy shit I hit that head shot' if it's not instantaneous. Which is fine, that can go away for sure, but it won't feel the same.
@Chibsification
Жыл бұрын
@@PhoTC what if there was some indicator that you hit a headshot? Not a skull but something new, and then 2 seconds after if they didn’t react, there’d be the skull?
@Hiroth86
Жыл бұрын
I have to say, there is something weird going on when a player gets lifted up by a pedal. I had times that I had no idea it's coming and walk off by accident and sometimes I just slide off for some reason. I have no idea why I'm sliding, maybe it's a server thing or something.
@VarunNayyarEsq
Жыл бұрын
AVRL at 2:17:21 seems to indicate Dunkey should make a video about CSGO and shit on it like he did for Overwatch. I don't think that's why dunkey did that - he genuinely loved overwatch and played a ton of it. The video is more serious and comes from a disappointment of what OW2 could've been vs what it was. And he still ends the video shitting on Valorant and has not made a CS video since OW was released. CS didn't get clowned on because they didn't make any promises and just said here is what CSGO2 will look like. Now if they released it and none of the promised changes were included, that's what OW2 did and why it got clowned on. If OW2 released with all the promised content, nobody would've complained.
@D0P3ST
Жыл бұрын
Really feel like all he needs is for the heal to charge automatically without charging and while you are using his primary fire. Then you can switch to burst healing while poking like every other support. He just feels too clunky.
@slawlesstcg
Жыл бұрын
Sombra is at the most enjoyable to play and play against she has ever been. Don't change her at all. That's what I think. Every character is annoying in some ways
@davidgabrieltaylor
Жыл бұрын
I used a rally yesterday then 1 second later a ramattra punched me to death with a single punch. fuck this ult. I want my healing range back.
@galev3955
Жыл бұрын
"Maybe LW isnT underpowered, maybe the other supports are overpowered". Honestly, as a support main, I was thinking the same. Everyone complains about too much healing and sustain and powercreep. And many of the new supports (Bap, Brig, Kiriko) came out really OP at first and even after multiple nerfs they are strong. So maybe the whole thing needs to be toned down a bit. This might also need DPS to be dialed down, because some of the damage potential is crazy with 1 and 2 shot kills on 250 targets. Though I still feel like they should add some more fluidity to LW. His weapon swap and reload time are just unnecessarily long. Give him fewer ammo and maybe lower max healing, but speed up the heal charge, reload and swap.
@Thund3rr
Жыл бұрын
@34:50 man the only decent suggestion for the petal was samito's. hitbox smaller and healing are actually 5 head suggestions.
@CJNight
Жыл бұрын
1:33:38 "As good as I am with a bow, I promise you-- I was better with a sword."
@josephreynolds2401
Жыл бұрын
Hacking bullets (hear me out), bullets fill up a meter and the hack effect lingers for that. No silly little wind up "spell" animation. Balance what hack does and the power of the gun around the utility performance of the hack effect. Sombra shooting an uzi isnt really key to her character. This change can be done without sacrificing invis/translocator. EMP can interact with "hack" meter by maxing it out. Just a prelim thought. Hacking bullets is the kind of future tech i expect from Sombra tbh.
@bknelson1515
Жыл бұрын
Petal when ur team is gravved has gotta be one of the most valuable counters in the game
@kkona3868
Жыл бұрын
As a widow main, she is EXTREMELY map dependent. I can’t play my main on half the maps unless I want to soft throw.
@daniilnoun8262
Жыл бұрын
I guess a bit of an unpopular opinion on Sombra's stealth but: 1) Not having perma stealth will not remove the "bullshit" situation where Sombra appears out of nowhere and guns you down. It will make it harder to execute, yes, but any Sombra with more than 2 braincells will still be able to do that. 2) I personally absolutely despise the slow af movement speed in Overwatch and taking the perma stealth away from sombra to me just means that it's gonna be one less character that doesn't feel infuriating to play as. 3) Sombra is fine as she is, I personally think she just needs a slight buff and chain-hack absolutely must be brought back, but with a cool down in between subsequent hacks, or something similar. Not being able to chain hack makes your emp a detriment to Sombra herself, because if the enemies pop their ults after the emp lockout passes, you can't cancel those for another 8-15 seconds. Overall, I think there's a ton of way stronger and way more cancerous characters in this game, like mei, kiriko or oneshots, which should get nerf treatment before Sombra does.
@SupaFreq
Жыл бұрын
For Sombra to combat stealth you could just make it so if someone has you in LOS then she becomes visible to them (similar effect to how she looks to teammates in stealth) at any distance. That way any character can find her rather than just the characters that have to spy check by spraying their auto weapons into random spots, which makes it difficult to impossible for some characters to spy check her. Moira can't find her full stop as is. She would have to play totally out of LOS. I think a timer can work or maybe even a resource meter but I think just making spychecking easier is enough. I think a timed cooldown could make her feel clunky. They originally wanted her uptime to be increased rather than sitting around waiting on a cooldown, and that should still be the target. If you nerf invis, what do they buff? Damage? They always change things on a slider so if one thing gets worse, something will get better. Revert her stealth speed and detectable range?
@endless_del
Жыл бұрын
the spycheck thing is a really good point. sombra's job is to go after supports. only 2 support heroes have a reliable "auto" type weapon being brig and now lifeweaver (and brig's flail is very easy for sombra to avoid so its basically just LW who can spy check, the hero that you probably shouldn't be playing into sombra anyway lol). the role most affected by sombra have very little if any answers to perma invis. if they want every hero to be more self sufficiant, then they need to give supports especially the ability to reliably answer perma invis IF theyre not going to remove it.
@Bluerock121
Жыл бұрын
Bro what lmao? What’s the point of invisibility if it doesn’t work when people look at her? They might as well just remove it at that point because it’s totally useless
@FoxiestDuck
Жыл бұрын
I'm thinking, probably bad idea but eh. Sombra's stealth has a duration, maybe 12secs. Forces Sombra to be a bit more tactful about their movement and forces lower ranks to brawl with her more. Also allows people to catch her off-guard, 2 sombras on the same health pack is funny and pointless Depending on translocator changes, but maybe popping into stealth gives you a small boost of speed on top of what's already there, and a damage reduction(damage doesn't break stealth) during the stealth for 2-3 seconds. Could give sombra a good way to survive without relying on translocator being the main survivability. Could be interesting to see Sombra being a bit more brawly and have a way out that isn't just teleporting away.
@joelyfish4216
Жыл бұрын
All right, hear me out about Widowmaker. What if she doesn't start charging up her shot until she presses left click, and then you can only hold a full charge shot for a few seconds. She keeps the ability to one shot because that's her character identity, but no longer are widow players out here playing valorant, and her ability to quickly rattle off kills on your whole team isn't affected, so top level players can still shine. The only thing this removes, is the random unlucky pics where you peek a corner she happens to be looking at and she twitches at you. That's not the hero fantasy of a professional assassin. She is methodical, careful, and I think this increases skill expression without hurting the fantasy.
@lootbaglu
Жыл бұрын
how to fix widow: give her glint reward players that can hit those flick reactionary shots but make widow more punishing positioning wise and for missing shots as she becomes more discoverable
@marvynjeanbaptiste3206
Жыл бұрын
If widow’s sniper worked like the ones on fortnite for that matter I think it’d raise the skill ceiling for her. I was gonna say battlefield but you gotta lead your shots more in fortnite
@ElectroVenik90
Жыл бұрын
Do you think taking Widow in other direction would help? Increase the scoped zoom dramatically, so that's Widow can't really see anything beyond a very very narrow angle? Do yeah, she sees 1 corner VERY WELL, but a Tracer blinking around it is 2 full aim adjustment away?
@willywonka00
Жыл бұрын
Annoying is not a reason to nerf a character.
@ninjaghost860
Жыл бұрын
Make sombra translocator make noise. make her hide it further away
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