This episode was recorded on 19th January 2023. Podcast links below! If you're enjoying this content, why let SVB know on his stream (www.twitch.tv/svb_ ) or his second channel The Soak (youtube.com/@TheSoak ) where he does movie, TV & anime breakdowns! The best way to support the podcast is still www.patreon.com/svb Soundcloud: soundcloud.com/ow_svb/great-january-debate Spotify: open.spotify.com/show/6sRWutKTc0gnWuguo62Vpa Apple Podcasts: podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/svbs-group-up/id1490256265
@MrTruth2410
7 ай бұрын
i want to make a prediction: since s9 add out of combat heal to every role, i ask how would they intuitively add this mechanic without extra visual clutter with particles/icons and how to make it easy to track for players, remember that experiment for ow2 beta when they try to balance for 5 vs 5 how much they need to nerf healing in combat and they give heal reduction % to find out that balanced spot, what if to encourage teamwork and encourage group teams for fights instead of brainless rush into fights 24/7 they would use out of combat heal passive to track when you in combat, so if your passive heal your supports can heal for full amount and you can reset hp fast, if its on cd you get healed only for ~60-70% so need now to stop a fight and regroup
@slaiff.
7 ай бұрын
Hi! I've recently switched over from Spotify to Tidal for my music and podcast listening. I love listening to the podcast on my commute to class and just thought I'd bring it up. I've got no idea how much of a burden it is to post on Tidal as well, but for those of us who use it, we'd absolutely appreciate it ❤️
@prestigiouschili7911
7 ай бұрын
1:50:05 Samito: “You know how to bring that back?” SVB: “Go ahead- Stacking?” Samito: “You didn’t even let me get my rant in” Best moment of the podcast 😂
@johnsonspark171
7 ай бұрын
Stacking, smurfing, boosting, and one-tricking should be ENCOURAGED. Anything that makes people want to play the game will hopefully keep it from dying like it is right now. It's unreal how unfun OW2 is at the current moment
@doublelizard767
7 ай бұрын
@johnsonspark171 No, please don't normalize one tricking. I love hearing players give up when they check my profile and see im a Ram/Echo OTP
@STRANGE_BRO
7 ай бұрын
@@johnsonspark171 stacking one-tricking yes, smurfing boosting? No
@jonanderssunde
7 ай бұрын
This has been one of the best podcast episodes yet for sure. The social aspects of Overwatch is criminally neglected. In my opinion it's such an interesting topic and I would love if you guys on the podcast would talk more about it in the future as well!
@davmandave
7 ай бұрын
I felt really spoken for when they talked about how toxic the game has become. I've had to play with chat off for half of OW2, because nothing good comes out of it. Players who say EZ outnumber the ones who say GG by like two to one. So why bother seeing any of it? Just turn chat off and go back to screaming into the void. And I'm glad I can see other people in the comments that feel something similar.
@Junkfist
7 ай бұрын
I'm gonna make this podcast a drinking game. Take a drink every time: - Flats says he predicted something/has been saying it for months That's it. Enjoy your hangover.
@izespo7983
7 ай бұрын
Yes. Good lord
@Rio-un5jl
7 ай бұрын
Lol, looking through the comments to find this. Does he ever actually go through a talking point where he doesnt mention that he has been saying something since season 3 and then he turned out to be right?
@insomniaddictesp
7 ай бұрын
He really hates to say, but he loves it
@jayes13
7 ай бұрын
finally someone said this bruh hes been acting like this since ow2 came out acting like a prophet whos ahead of everyone else and thats just his entire contribution to any discussion regarding overwatch
@YourBlackLocal
7 ай бұрын
Literally every time. It’s actually hilarious to see how he’ll work a topic into saying he predicted this.
@strawberrydialectics
7 ай бұрын
love fareeha's idea of being able to write a note for players you encounter. i've actually wanted this for so long, especially since i tend to forget who exactly is on my friends list and why i friended them.
@Ajoi14
7 ай бұрын
Same!
@focushehateme
7 ай бұрын
Everything changes when you realize it's Tom and Jerry, not Tom vs. Jerry. Awesome cartoon.
@fentanylfrog8403
7 ай бұрын
Tom and Jerry truly are yin and yang when you think about it 🤔, wisest comment I’ve ever seen on a Group Up episode
@mr.meeseeeks5544
7 ай бұрын
Is that a thing people thought? I always saw it as Tom and Jerry. Ah nevermind I understand. Big Sam used it.
@piusdoe8984
7 ай бұрын
Wtf is Tom vs Jerry. Are you ok
@rezq9109
7 ай бұрын
episodes where they group against third party were my favorite
@duel2803
7 ай бұрын
who thought is was tom vs jerry
@entoeclipse4732
7 ай бұрын
As someone who mains lifeweaver and mercy, I feel as though supports should be one of two types. They should be able to take duels, or they should have mobility to leave. Having both is kinda iffy. There needs to be inconsitency if they have both.
@STartist.
7 ай бұрын
Like Lucio. Mobility and duel potential but his weapon is hard to get value out of consistently AND he has low healing he's not a jack of all trades like kiriko
@dadrako1581
7 ай бұрын
I feel like this could be widened. Dualing supports: supports that can get picks but typically have lower healing values and less team wide effectiveness and enabling supports: supports that keep their team alive and set them up to make plays.
@endless_del
7 ай бұрын
@dadrako1581 basically just every character should have a noticeable weakness.
@nurikkulanbaev3628
7 ай бұрын
@@STartist.Yet he has Utility that works GREAT WITH COORDINATED TEAM. And rewards coordination and teamplay. He is not selfish. Therefore balanced
@tryingtochangemyways5074
7 ай бұрын
What a bias statement..I want all support to play like the 2 support I play😂..No kiriko is a ninja with a potion that heals..She should fight teleport,kunai,suzu it's what ninja do..She is not some weak character hiding behind flowers flying away scare of people she is a warrior fighting gangs..
@joshuataylor5080
7 ай бұрын
1:15:13 When Samito hits the nail on the head and Flats is just up there helping to stir the pot Samito is cooking with 🤣
@krasmazov009
6 ай бұрын
I have a theory that the roles are basketball positions. Supports are guards, DPS are forwards, tanks are centers. Point guards control the offense and create the play that makes it easier for the team to win. Zen is the steph curry mold, he will shoot threes from downtown and create mismatches, Lucio is the Ja Morant mold he goes inside and crashes the enemy team for a play, etc. Supports should be the the point guards of Overwatch, not healing or like ability hoarders.
@Youknowmikekhan
7 ай бұрын
Id like for April fools if both teams could hear each other
@bigfudge2031
7 ай бұрын
I want an April Fools change where High Noon increases Cassidy's movement speed, so you have Cassidy with High Noon chasing after you.
@galev3955
7 ай бұрын
I just want to call out Jared on saying on the podcast that a big lesson for them was how they shouldnt just develop things in their ivory tower and then drop it into the game and expect everyone to love it; but they should test things out more openly, like with Mauga. Now QP hacked is a step in that direction which is good. But the huge game changes like the healing passive is just the same old thing, and they dont even say what the other changes will be. I hope they wont just toss it all into comp without some public testing.
@erikstark16
7 ай бұрын
It's so weird that stuff like prefer player, guilds and LFG is not in a so called team game
@backstabber3537
7 ай бұрын
guild is not needed just promotes smurfing
@josewolf9884
7 ай бұрын
LFG was on OW1 but got removed because some people used it for +18 stuff and the OW team didn't want to add moderation resources on that area.
@erikstark16
7 ай бұрын
@@backstabber3537 How so?
@erikstark16
7 ай бұрын
@@josewolf9884 even so, who cares? Why should the few hinder the many?
@josewolf9884
7 ай бұрын
@@erikstark16 on top of the reputation that blizzard lawsuits left, imagine the scandals if the public discovered that ow lobbies were used for grooming or even worse things because they werent properly moderated
@THEM4RT1AN
7 ай бұрын
We need a toxicity queue where people who are reported often play with each other and not well behaved people. So they can fester in their own cesspool as punishment for being toxic and everyone else can enjoy the game.
@l0kpcr397
7 ай бұрын
😂 I can just picture it being a bunch of Sombra haters, I say this because I was playing sombra in qp last night and this person was so upset about it, but they eventually switched to Sombra 🤣
@johnsonspark171
7 ай бұрын
My last game of Sombra yesterday ended with a Mercy that I didn't let out of spawn just going off the deep end in chat. I reported her and she got banned this morning. Best moment of 2024 so far. Instead of cursing at me and calling me an incel in chat for camping her at spawn maybe she she have swapped to a hero that takes skill and could get out of spawn instead? But that never crossed her mind. Her profile was open and she had 3000 hours on Mercy and 150 hours on Lifeweaver in ranked. It was just sad to see such an unskilled player at the rank I play at. There was no way she wasn't e-date boosted. Honestly, Blizzard needs to do something about the e-date Mercy boosting. Those girls don't belong in Masters, they belong in Silver at most
@RoyLeeLeeRoy
7 ай бұрын
That’s what endorsements were supposed to be when it initially came out.
@eddybreezy
7 ай бұрын
Toxicity is an issue for all games because of one simple definition. What is the definition of toxicity? Banter? Responses? Lack of responses? Everyone has their own perceptions, and they can report you based on their opinons
@THEM4RT1AN
7 ай бұрын
@@eddybreezy banter and toxicity are not similar. Especially when slurs are involved
@ryanhawkrider
7 ай бұрын
I gotta really agree with Fareeha that the characters are what really drive people's love behind the game, so just lore lore lore, characters interacting with each other, inside the game, outside the game, because I think we all get a different feeling when we're watching the cinematics, like you really care about the characters and the world, and anything to flesh out the world more is a BIG win. (and to see hanzo and cass making out)
@johnsonspark171
7 ай бұрын
I don't know anybody that doesn't play in dirt division metal ranks that cares about "lore". The competitive players care about the competitive experience first and foremost
@ryanhawkrider
7 ай бұрын
@@johnsonspark171 sounds boring, actual negative IQ take
@thedofflin
7 ай бұрын
On Fareeha's point about lumping certain players together, I've suggested a clustering algorithm where at the end of a match you can select a teammate you'd happily play with again, or a teammate you'd prefer to avoid. Over time, the system would identify what kind of player cluster you belong to without knowing in advance the full list of preferences you might have. Basically just a recommendation algorithm that biases the matchmaker hopefully without increasing queue times too much.
@alyssachandler3634
7 ай бұрын
I like that they've all adopted a single finger raised to show they wanna speak XD
@patonnight
7 ай бұрын
It's like they want us to play with training wheels. Everythings is passive, more passive. The game plays itself. My concern it's not about the Healing-Passive per se, but the adding on more passives overall, feels like they're dumbing down the game more and more (Something that has been happening since the release of OW2, but they don't seem to be stopping anytime soon and it worries me).
@nailinthefashion
7 ай бұрын
But isn't it a dumb game? We have Mercy as a hero in general, Symmetra. Is it that much dumber that a Widow has to take the same amount of time to find a health pack vs corner peek and self recover? I don't think so
@b23beatz
7 ай бұрын
To be honest if the timer is long enough it's not gonna matter will be nice when there are times where in game pinging for healing healers don't see and it's frustrating to die because of that when people don't play in chat anymore
@damianateiro
7 ай бұрын
bro overwatch was always stupid there are mercy, moira and symmetra that can practically be played alone
@TheRitva26
7 ай бұрын
I don't get these bronze players saying mercy and symmetra are proof it's a dumb game. maybe in their bronze rank it's enough to hold left click as mercy and symmetra's turrets do all the work but not in any rank above bronze lol these guys commenting are funny enough the reason they're dumbing the game down, because of bronze clowns like this who don't understand the game
@turdbooger6051
7 ай бұрын
Blizzard dumbs down all of its games as they age. Also citing characters like Mercy as to why the game has always been dumbed down is asinine.
@ryanmichael3125
7 ай бұрын
This year it feels like the dev team has been able to communicate what they're working on more efficiently, news almost every week about something coming up. It's refreshing to hear things even if it's just browsing twitter replies.
@ghidotheone
7 ай бұрын
I really enjoyed the social aspect of this episode. I’ve always said that the main difference between comp and QP is the ease in which the slurs star getting thrown at you. I made lifelong friends in OW1, and haven’t added a single person in OW2.
@AbbyOW2
7 ай бұрын
Another great way to start a saturday morning, thanks for all your hardwork SVB and to the creators involved, cheers!
@Youknowmikekhan
7 ай бұрын
I really like fareehas take on matching ppl who talk
@bigfudge2031
7 ай бұрын
I think a big issue that Overwatch has is a lot of abilities and ults just last too long and instead, they should give them shorter cooldowns. There should be more emphasis on timing abilities better rather than the "counterplay" be waiting around until the ability for the ability to finish. Bastion's turret form lasts for 6 seconds, if you can't do something in the first 4 seconds of it, then you aren't going to do anything in the last 2 seconds, it just means people spend more time waiting around. Lamp lasts 5.5 seconds, window lasts 10 seconds, and Kitsune lasts 10.5 seconds, all these abilities have their main impact within the first few seconds, if they didn't get impact, it is because they were used poorly and most likely the enemy team are just standing around a corner waiting for the ability to end (which just gives everyone time to get their abilities back)
@Link2855
7 ай бұрын
The one thing I'll say about map votes is the same as with hero bans: they would need to be totally blind, and stacks should only get one vote. This is to avoid recognizing one-tricks on the enemy team or checking profiles to see most played heroes and banning the enemies' best heroes or good maps. All for voting, but make it blind.
@sublimedhaze7792
7 ай бұрын
This is a good concept. Not sure about the specifics, but it's a good concept👍
@calewilliams6967
7 ай бұрын
How did overwatch turn into the NFL?? Tanks are your linemen who get no love if you win, but get blamed for everything if you lose. DPS are your skill players (WR,RB,TE) and are divas out there just trying to make the flashiest plays possible and supports is the QB, being babied seven ways to sunday, making it so you can’t hurt them.
@ccalvac18
7 ай бұрын
I saw this entire podcast live on Fareeha's channel, this one felt so special in terms of flow and the sheer depth of topics discussed. Absolutely wonderful, thanks again SVB 💙
@micahfordkendall
7 ай бұрын
On the topic of whether or not the dev team rolls back changes, I'd say the biggest thing they rolled back was map pools.
@erikhendrickson59
7 ай бұрын
As a Gold/Plat DPS, I couldn't even identify the last game where we had a single player in voice chat.
@nonipplenoah6179
7 ай бұрын
i haven’t heard someone say hello at the start of the game in plat since early season 2 games social status is dead compared to ow1
@endless_del
7 ай бұрын
most of the time in plat no one talks, and 90% of the times that people are talking, it's pure flaming. miserable
@Technically_Techy
7 ай бұрын
26:30 in splatoon 2 we had a pulp vs no pulp splatfest and everyone thought it was a boring theme, lol
@forthe3136
7 ай бұрын
I agree almost every support can play into their “counters” and have an enjoyable time except zen. If you’re playing zen vs a decent sombra you will not have a good time and there is nothing you can do about it except swap.(only way it’s somewhat enjoyable is if you’re playing with another support who baby’s tf outta you but then your other 3 teammates are being neglected)
@sublimedhaze7792
7 ай бұрын
As a Tracer/Sombra main Zen is both the easiest character to kill and the most valuable character to kill.
@ikhalid1418
7 ай бұрын
man, overwatch's identity, for me at least, is the varied ways the different characters interact. we lost so much of that from 2019 going on. the more the game went on, the less and less freedom we had, and more meta focused the team combs became. even the metas became less and less varied over the years.
@the-real-pawook
7 ай бұрын
My biggest problem with Flats is in his way of describing Unranked (proper name btw) from his "competitive player" standpoint. So many people told him already, even OW acknowledged, that most people play Unranked and they play it as their main game mode. Not as a distraction from their ranked loose streak or to have an easier or quicker game mode. I would appreciate if he'd stop treating Unranked as an arcade mode just because he thinks comp is superior
@indeboss
7 ай бұрын
I'm surprised no one brought up the health packs question when it comes to discussing mini-maps. Obviously we don't want more clutter on our screen but being able to toggle health pack locations would be so helpful for beginners.
@Aurora12488
7 ай бұрын
I strongly prefer an actual map key to a minimap. Make the M key bring up a map with all the health packs outlined and teammates' positions. It won't change the minute-to-minute gameplay but would be a great QoL addition for people that have the learn the 36(!!) maps in this freaking game.
@joegarrison5911
7 ай бұрын
1st half of S8: Mauga domination 2nd half of S8: Waiting for S9
@MansterBear
7 ай бұрын
It always amazes me when people are so worried about what others say in chat. I've had "toxic" people, I've had complainers, etc. Just mute them if it bothers you. How can that ruin your "whole day of gaming" because someone was toxic? I dont think ive ever muted anyone on this game, unless theyre just spamming music or something, but if I was thin skinned enough to be really bothered by someone being toxic, I'd just mute them. It's just weird to think "this person said things I don't like... they shouldn't be allowed to play this game at all, ever!"
@ytk3797
7 ай бұрын
I enjoy the longer episodes really let’s people get engage and clash in the conversations more
@spacecowboy7193
7 ай бұрын
I don’t super hate zen kick, but it’s ridiculous that he has a better Lucio boop with no cooldown. Lucio has to wait 3 seconds and it doesn’t boop as far or do as much damage. That’s ridiculous.
@Bismarck9871
7 ай бұрын
To be fair zen has to get close and has 0 movement unlike crazy speed run frog dj
@spacecowboy7193
7 ай бұрын
@@Bismarck9871 yeah, but like, that’s zen’s thing vs Lucio’s thing. One has speed and boop. The other has DPS and dumpsters tanks. Giving one a boop every .5 seconds While the one known for the boop gets a worse one every 3 is odd.
@FoxiestDuck
7 ай бұрын
I like the map voting idea. Even in QP, I like playing payload, but I'd rarely get it, and if I do, it's usually defence. I'd like slight chance of choosing a map I'd prefer to play or try. Just QP, having a prefered map option would be good, especially if we'd like practice certain maps we suck at. (Custom doesn't count)
@BrandonCole-sc7pq
7 ай бұрын
the goofiest part of the support passive is that unlike paladins they cab still be using abilities and shooting while passively healing. how noone has spoken on this is crazy.
@josephreynolds2401
7 ай бұрын
They peek wall, get damaged and they're ways full health when you see them again. Every. Single. Time. It's a problem.
@endless_del
7 ай бұрын
dps have actually had 3 passives. first was the movement speed, then it was retaining ult charge on swap which they just made universal in beta 2, and then they gave them reload speed.
@Anewlevel0091
7 ай бұрын
I feel like as far as the map voting goes I think if they kept the game mode random like it is now but before the game starts the call of duty system comes up and let's you pick between two maps or another random one.
@rogue4340
7 ай бұрын
One of the most fun and informative podcasts I've watched in a while for sure, devs needs to take notes here
@fsdeadshot5258
7 ай бұрын
I think passive benefits make the game less fun. Make the player think more and manage cool downs. Instead of having all these things happen passively without you thinking. I also hate immortalities entirely.
@KaGex_ow
7 ай бұрын
always love seeing how these turn out, i keep quoting ML when people think i'm doing to much damage, and The Hangover "support not healer" and "but did you die"
@Zyborgg
7 ай бұрын
Make the support passive start after 3sec instead of 2sec would help with the support issues a bit. Having 1 more second to punish them is a lot. That means they will have to hide even longer before they trigger the passive and can peek again.
@AnimeOtaku56.
7 ай бұрын
I think everyone’s healing passive should be at least 3 sec.
@CJ-jk9mp
7 ай бұрын
Don't think the game needs passive healing
@eagerinspirit
7 ай бұрын
@@CJ-jk9mp honestly it doesn't, but if they do decide to implement it then at least do it well.
@Void-Knull
7 ай бұрын
@@CJ-jk9mp sure, it doesn't “need” it, but if it's implemented well it could be a huge QOL improvement
@Takemebacktotheplusgamingera
7 ай бұрын
@@CJ-jk9mppassives are fine, it’s needed for certain supports who cannot heal themselves it sucks that’s its global role passive instead of individual hero’s. Think everyone would be fine with it if they removed it from hero’s that had a way to heal themselves or get out of jail/immortal ability.
@shelbyrenshaw8136
7 ай бұрын
Map choice: I like most of the maps, so I don’t want map locks. I love the variety. I fear that if you had a certain amount of control over the maps you play, you’d have to specialize in certain maps to climb, which I think would be worse.
@gigiflame216
7 ай бұрын
Anyone else go back to see the samito ult charge epiphany clip? Absolute classic there
@lukasg4807
7 ай бұрын
Timestamp?
@d4mephisto
7 ай бұрын
Sam, it's ok. Some days when my feet are cold and I'm working from home, I put on two close-but-not-identical socks. It is what it is bro. You're all good man.
@geminimaxxim
7 ай бұрын
Just like how you know Overwatch is in a bad state when there's drama on Twitter, I feel like you can also tell Overwatch is cooking something when Sam gets this passionate on the podcast.
@BAIARJ
7 ай бұрын
It’s amazing we’ve been through 8 seasons with a competitive mode in which you’re rewarded for playing less games instead of grinding more
@advancegeo2986
7 ай бұрын
the point around 12:00 where they talk about not taking the game too seriously is where ive been at in games for a couple years now i used to be a hardcore destiny 2 grinder i would play all the raids dungeons strikes exotic missions pvp etc every week and try to do them all instead of just engaging with what i enjoy and then peacing out and that lead to burn out now whenever i start getting frustrated or ticked off i just hop on overwatch i hop on fortnite just swapping games and playing in a chill fun somewhat relaxed group enviroment with friends has lessened my boredom and burn out rate on games by like tenfold, at the end of the day if im not enjoying the games i will not play them and this type of mindset makes it way easier to enjoy the games for what they are instead of needlessly begging for changes and tweaks that may or may not come
@ncascini01
7 ай бұрын
Word, the qp hacked was a great idea for info gathering. If we have a team that's willing to do that, maybe 6 v 6 will come back someday. Even if not, we will eventually have a better game in some way.
@asianlim3000
7 ай бұрын
SVB carrying the content till Season 9
@trevitone1111
7 ай бұрын
If I'm gonna be honest, I watch content about Overwatch and haven't been on Overwatch for awhile now. It's just more fun to watch it then actually play it now (especially the changes with the shitshow that brings)
@jaedengarcia8249
7 ай бұрын
I think a good comparison for the support passive and other changes like that are that they are like training wheels and player base's skill/understanding of the game is like the bike. We started on a kiddy bike and the devs gave us training wheels while we learned how to ride it then we upgraded to adult bikes, then mountain bikes then BMX bike and now we are on a motorcycle and we STILL have the dang training wheels on!
@reynauldwhistles2338
7 ай бұрын
Self healing gives non support players more power i see it as a tool to use, seeing it as training wheels feels weird to me like you are forgeting the enemy will also have regen and you will have less time to finish a kill.
@jaedengarcia8249
7 ай бұрын
@reynauldwhistles2338 yeah I'm just talking about the training wheel stuff they did for supports at the beginning of OW2 like the support passive and bap being able to full heal when below 50% and zen kick etc. The passive going to everyone is something completely different, unexplored.
@adventuroushermit2590
7 ай бұрын
MAP VOTE YES. I DONT WANT TO FUCKING PLAY CONTROL ALL THE TIME. I don't think there's any role passive that could take the place of the missing tank, because let's be honest, that's what they're trying to do: step 1 remove tank step 2 make up for it. Community toxicity is so much of a thing that just playing the game as an experience improved by turning off the chat and not talking at all
@A_modern_Heretic
7 ай бұрын
Would it be so terrible to have the tank passive be what they did to anna sleep? All cc is reduced by 1/2 ( or whatever fraction) to make up for the lack of 2nd tank. This means expending cc abilities is less impactful making tank play more fun, i would gather. Is this a terrible idea?
@danielj6897
7 ай бұрын
Great as always! Thanks to SVB and the guests
@valocrazy
7 ай бұрын
A good point about the counterswapping being dampened by the faster respawns
@marcusgallagher6481
7 ай бұрын
Great podcast !! The eloquence in this group was very enjoyable
@miiinkus
7 ай бұрын
Sam brings up a good point about open queue. Especially in 5v5, from personal experience its been amazing. The magic of Open queue is that, get this: in that world, every hero is available. In Open queue, when you run into certain strategies, the player has the agency to make a change to another ROLE entirely. Theres the ability to commit to assisting your own team's strategy, or counter the enemy team's stratgy with a pick from another ROLE to assist. Overwatch is a game that was initially so accessible to players because the way the game was balanced was that every ability had a cost. It was easy to pick up because you could clearly see the difference choices that needed to be made. Simple to pick up, hard to master. Fun to experience. Every hero had a powerful ability or gameplay strategy associated with them. Misusing that ability/not completing that strategy meant that there was an extreme detriment to proceeding towards the goal of your team's objective. Using that ability correctly/completing that strategy meant that you were (usually) at an advantage; in the goal of proceeding towards your team's objective. Now in role queue, there is no cost. - Tank abilities have lower overall value in equal matchups, leading to a null+void expression of skill in balanced matches. - DPS have insane crowd control or burst damage that discourage tanks from active play. A role that feels horrible to play, while simultaneously being either the silent carry of the match through threat output and decision making, or the heaviest weight to carry in the server through lack of threat/improper decision making. - Supports were initially weaker but were compensated with overwhelmingly strong buffs that have lead to a stacking problem of insanely strong abilities that have little to no counter play,. Leading to unfun experiences from the other roles. All because when a tank or dps interacts with the abilities of another tank or dps, for both parties, the balance of Cost+Attempt is roughly equal. Support abilities have become so powerful that at this point, unless you are on another support hero, they have a disproportionate advantage in winning the trade of Cost+Attempt. You start the interaction at what feels like a 95% loss factor. In open queue, you can create cost for supports by stacking elements of strategies. You can triple tank, throw Ram slow, amp speed, kitsune rush, shatter when you close the distance, and Rampage to break through the frontline. You can play triple dps ball dive and execute supports if you want. You can create that same stupid double shield wall and fortify yourself through the anti-nade and discord abilities before slowly chipping away at them. Heck, if you don't want tanks at all, you can go triple dive dps mei as a frontline with bap kiri and win. The game is allowed to have crazy strong abilities because there's *AGENCY in ROLE CHOICE during the game* to effect the outcomes. Are there bad sides to Open queue? Yeah, it can be insufferable at times. But a crazy thing to remember is that the vast majority of players that have been lost over time- they played Overwatch before role lock. The bigger audience of players that we want to play our game, have fun, share it with friends and add to our community? They hated role queue. Pro players quit because it wasn't the game they fell in love with. Role Queue wasn't the was the selling point. The selling point was that Overwatch was a first person shooter sandbox game. And as for comp-- in open queue, if you made it to the top it was because you were skilled. You got good enough at your hero pool to learn matchups. You learned other heroes to play in other compositions to cover your blind spots. You had to be genuinely skilled to find your way to success. You werent propped up by being the least interactive the best. You couldnt climb the ranks by only denial, you had to be proactive in play because proactive play was the most encouraged strategy via the game format. Best part of it was, the players at low skill ranks were still just having fun anyways. Because for them, it was just another day playing in the sandbox. I know i sound like just another crazy YT commenter and nobody's gonna read this, but best of both worlds. Open queue.
@Zhohan-
7 ай бұрын
I read this. I started OW2 but I go back and watch OW1 gameplay, sometimes really old games from 2016. I want to play that game.
@AngrySecs
7 ай бұрын
Idk, I tried to play open queue comp recently cuz I hit my role queue goal and it was miserable. DPS didn't exist and when a team did have a DPS, that team lost. It was just great value goats every game. Wasn't fun
@lruddy8820
7 ай бұрын
Tldr
@HarryPotter-lz7ni
7 ай бұрын
I find GOATs kind roles in open Queue but the extra agency makes it much better to than role queue
@AUfan-yw2xx
7 ай бұрын
Sam called out those pro players WITH HIS CHEST. No Crumbs left after that 3 course meal.
@AUfan-yw2xx
7 ай бұрын
Said it loud enough for the people in the back of the class
@auzyosborne9401
7 ай бұрын
I’ve stopped talking in comms when I got silenced for the first time. Many people who play suppport with reports you for abusive chat if you ask for healing more than once. I just don’t want to get silenced or risk an actual ban because people playing (I’m low rank) can’t handle being asked for healing.
@RunningDownMidAsTechies
7 ай бұрын
My quick play queues were longer than the games themselves, it did not feel good to play in the slightest
@postyoda1623
7 ай бұрын
Regarding the philosophy behind support, speaking from my own experience, I'm not queuing up so someone else can play the game. Healing is and should be a secondary utility of supports, and maybe you have a hero or two who has it as the main utility for those who want that play style, and that comes with the problem that if healing as a utility is worth more then those heroes will always be meta; and this is the problem we have in lower ranks because in lower ranks people stand in the middle of the map, don't move and change positions and have no qualms about eating damage so in that play style healing seems much more important (which it isn't if you want to climb, that's just an illusion) and that's why lower ranks always ask for supports who have healing as main utility. I don't know how this problem can be overcome in lower ranks, because people will always play like that in lower ranks, that's why they are lower ranks.
@jalmar6348
7 ай бұрын
Does all Flats do is say that he called it? because its getting very very tiring,
@AxLShiv
7 ай бұрын
also cant go 10 seconds without crying about brigg, like stfu its been years stop crying about brigg and get over it and yourself
@yak_own1180
7 ай бұрын
Look at him. This game is LEGITIMATELY all he has bro
@johnsonspark171
7 ай бұрын
@@yak_own1180 it's not just Flats. Take away Mercy and what are the girls that play her going to go play? They sure as hell couldn't hack it in a real FPS game that's for sure
@fxrx7395
7 ай бұрын
@@johnsonspark171so accurate then they develop an ego 😂😂 like they’re doing but holding m1 having some simp carry them
@dallayg
7 ай бұрын
@@johnsonspark171 are you 12?
@bioniclelegend7
6 ай бұрын
Never heard of Fareeha before but she has some amazing takes. The agency points and a few others I have never thought about before and really liked what she was talking about.
@stabyourcat
7 ай бұрын
I find it hard to fully take their opinions seriously. I respect them all but they all have to be incredibly jaded after playing primarily this game for 7 years straight. Not only that, but making content, doing podcasts, etc. it’s gotta be draining.
@muleboy3537
7 ай бұрын
Samito: “If you didn’t like it make sure to articulate what you didn’t like.” That’s great, community talking head in a handpicked select group of similar talking heads. 🙄 But for the rest of us: HOW and WHERE to articulate our issues with the game? Exactly where is it that Blizzard is going to hear feedback from regular players? Show me the survey and I’ll happily fill it out. The forums? Reddit? KZitem comments? Point out where Blizzard actually pays attention because it feels like the rest of us are helpless passengers on this burning bus. ✨🤷♀️✨
@SamitoFPS
7 ай бұрын
well to be fair in my case I don't have any affiliation with blizz rn (even in the creator server I"m doing my own thing)
@muleboy3537
7 ай бұрын
@@SamitoFPS didn’t mean to sound bitter, love what you do, just frustrated 😣
@LittleLilith481
7 ай бұрын
Hear me out on this one. I know Sam and a few other people discussed about adding counter play to kiriko with things like can’t tp when taking damage or needing LOS to tp. But I think LOS would nerf her too hard so I think if they add where u can’t tp if u are taking damage would add nice counter play when fight kiriko. It would also indirectly nerf Suzu so kiri would need to use it on herself more or would use both her suzu for the invulnerably so she can then tp out. Getting supports to use their abilities more for themselves would be a great way to indirectly nerf all the supports
@buffhorses3632
7 ай бұрын
38:12 Why is it surprising that supports die last? That's the whole goal of playing support. To position yourself and manage your cooldowns so that you are the last to die so you can support your team as long as possible. Is support too strong? No. Are some support hero's too strong? God yes. I want to play Lucio again please.
@beausis
7 ай бұрын
Map picking should be like Mario Kart. Everyone gets to vote for 1 map to play on and then it randomly selects one of those
@terrifyingai
7 ай бұрын
Flats constantly says he's bored and tbh I think that he's just sick of Overwatch but trapped in it as a revenue stream.
@--Glory--
7 ай бұрын
I wouldn’t want to leave either if I had 3 YT channels that constantly pump out videos and a Twitch channel with a rabid fanbase, guys probably making bank
@Tarvanak
7 ай бұрын
Zen was fun as shit in dive. Discord the Winston and right click the tracer. Felt so good killing tracer or wining the duel against the other zen if you could find him.
@thelouisjohnson
7 ай бұрын
The game really feels in a terrible state. So many cheaters, unbalanced lobbies and bizarre hero dynamics. It's just not enjoyable to play; it used to be that I could hop on and spend hours with friends in any mode, unranked or comp - and have a great time. Now, it's so easy to feel like I'd rather be playing something else - last night I had 3 cheaters and 3 steamrolls in my first 3 matches. There comes a point where it just becomes a slog and the engagement isn't there for me or my friends. Aside from the balancing and matchmaking, going free-to-play has ruined the player base. More cheating, smurfs, and unbalanced matches - more opportunities and reasons to abuse the whole system. I don't think any free-to-play game has a good quality player base.
@backstabber3537
7 ай бұрын
Flats take on zen is so wrong... lucio has mobilty zen does not .. zen hitbox is big too easier to hit
@bleack8701
7 ай бұрын
1:33:50 yup, votemap. It has existed AT LEAST since CS1.6. There are 15 seconds left, menu popped up asking what map to go to next, you hit 1-4 and done. Sure, sometimes you vote for a random map because you meant to hit 2 to get the gun out, but that's just a minor thing that's kind of fun.
@insomniaddictesp
7 ай бұрын
It’s really hard to get leadership to understand that engagement generates revenue. They don’t observe that flow so they just think, oh, if we give this content for free we get nothing back which is simply just not true. You get attention, you get people to come in, some of those people become dedicated again. What you gain is an increase in your earning potential, rather than a sku in P&L, which is much more valuable.
@Hello1nternet
7 ай бұрын
It's sad that Overwatch has got to the point where randomly changing stats is seen as positive because 'at least they're trying something. The dev team is clueless and it shows, just nuke the game and relaunch OW Classic at this point lol. They lost the plot
@AxLShiv
7 ай бұрын
pretty bonkers that flats think this dev team is better than the previous, more updates doesnt equal good updates, its like they throw darts and heroes and buff and nerf without rhyme or reason
@BaconBriber
7 ай бұрын
I’ve been needing this to come out
@Nyxtia
7 ай бұрын
I love this podcast, but KDA in Overwatch is truly the most useless metric, and the way it's being applied here is even worse. To explain, KDA on Overbuff is = (Kills + Assists) / Deaths. Most of the Assist tools are in the support category (Lucio speed, Zen discord, Mercy blue beam, Ana nano, etc.) So you get some very jank stats on Overbuff. E.g., last season in gm, Mercy had 1.5 elims per 10 and 5.5 deaths per 10. Excluding assists this would be a KDR of 0.27. But she actually has a KDA of 4.53 on Overbuff, meaning she apparently gets 22 Assists per 10. Another example, Lifeweaver (again in gm last season): 5.5 elims per 10, 5.6 death per 10. Would be a 0.9 KDR, but actually has a 4.7 KDA on Overbuff (about 22 assists per 10 from existing). This is THE factor inflating supp's KDA numbers and it's not hard to take five seconds and realise that the numbers make zero sense otherwise, and taking them to make a commentary on how strong supports are is genuinely ridiculous.
@exilebordom7468
7 ай бұрын
Are we at the stage of overwatch where we can have a tank that heals like a support?
@josewolf9884
7 ай бұрын
You made me remember the farting hog on experimental from OW1
@dermegger7733
7 ай бұрын
It ain't a proper podcast without Flats saying he called something at least three times.
@legendaryslay2644
7 ай бұрын
Guilds would be so cool, and could naturally come with guild wars and smaller ladders within the guilds
@galev3955
7 ай бұрын
Could also be a great solution to the whole stacking issue and the new "stack queue" they were talking about at Blizzcon
@WarlogicGaming
6 ай бұрын
Guilds/Clans would honestly be really cool. I have only a couple of friends that play, and they only play on Friday nights. I want other people that I can group up with and have fun, but it's hard to make friends when no one ever talks in your games.
@supertinydino
7 ай бұрын
The one thing I want added to Overwatch is a mode or something where we can't switch characters, I know mystery heroes is kind of like that, but I just want to be able to play quick play and not have to get counterpicked all the time. I just try to learn reinhardt or something and get counterpicked to Rammatra and Bastion immediately. It just get annoying sometimes. I understand ranked, but quickplay I'm just tryna chill.
@helmbandit5445
6 ай бұрын
What if Global heal and damage nerf happens and change the dps role passive changes to a damage boost for a duration of time after dealing damage in a span of time, an example like rage where after dealing 250 damage to a player, give an increase in damage by 35%, for a duration of 4 seconds, this duration resets after dealing 350 damage within this duration, the damage from the "rage" does not carry to regular play.
@zxspex1452
7 ай бұрын
For the map discussion, I think they should do what siege does. 5 maps and both teams ban 2(or the same map) or there could be a quick elimination process
@lukasg4807
7 ай бұрын
The games aren't long enough to need map voting. Map voting would just make it always be the same maps.
@zxspex1452
7 ай бұрын
@@lukasg4807 It would be a selection of 5 maps and randomized, wont be the same 5 every game cuh
@lukasg4807
7 ай бұрын
@@zxspex1452 Yeah, and it will be the most popular getting picked every time. Like CS2 where it's just mirage simulator
@engineergaming3830
7 ай бұрын
yeah I agree with the support thing the fact that bap can just have 600 hp in a 1v1 or kiri who can just jump in,kill someone and just go through 6 walls like nothing ever happened
@quanchi371
7 ай бұрын
I want my border back from OW1 and my progress
@KJ_Jizzle
7 ай бұрын
17:30 I agree with flats and Overwatch players not liking change. I didn't like it on paper until I played it. We need more "weekend tests" to gather data and see what works. They can definitely make some modifications. My friends were bitching the whole time because they were playing braindead like
@Syn4TheWin
7 ай бұрын
Overwatch is a game of calculus tbh. I think the devs have given us a masterpiece of a game and the vast majority of the player base is not as creative as it thinks it is to actualize characters to their fullest potential. Which is why you get the craziest of takes. A lot of what we ask for believe it or not is already in the game for example: giving everyone a passive heal is redundant when you have a character like Mauga who has the ability to give passive lifesteal to his entire team on a 12 second cool down. A majority of bad players who have no coordination and can’t aim will fail to make the most out of an ability that powerful meanwhile on the high end of ladder something like an additional passive heal just furthers the brain dead play style Sam and flats keep referring to. It does feel like they cater particularly to bad players instead of forcing them to learn and improve at the game they just give them bandaid abilities that take away the need to acquire actual skill.
@sincexciv6598
7 ай бұрын
If they cap the amount of self heal like 50 for dps and 100 for tank, I don’t think it’ll be that bad. And on top of that it can start later than support or something like that
@ryanhawkrider
7 ай бұрын
Can we start naming specific heroes instead of categorizing by "support" "dps" tank"? Like we know the problem heroes, the roles themselves seem fine. (Their tank philosphy could use some work)
@CyberDemon1
7 ай бұрын
Big thing they missed was that the movement speed running from spawn back to point factors in a lot if the cart is moving faster or control is capturing faster. Individual movement speed meant a lot and that was what made it truly unbalanced for me
@cantbelieve5231
7 ай бұрын
Isn’t it coincidental that they are giving the sound off for all roles getting passive healing with venture’s release. The burrowing, invulnerable hero?
@toxicfpv304
6 ай бұрын
Talking about diving zen. Man that sounded so much fun. Pick a zen and repeat dying the whole game.
7 ай бұрын
Dear editor, please put a compressor over the sound channels, some of us want to keep our hearing.
@RemedieX
7 ай бұрын
The sentiment of "we want everyone to play this gamemode" - is followed by "so we're going to force it upon them" with the way Blizz did it, and that is *VERY* counterintuitive if you want actual feedback that isn't anything other than a negative response from the majority. Considerin that, the hate was justified. Most don't like that many DRASTIC changes forced on them on a main mode, especially when it's the time everyone usually gets to play, except for some and streamers like Flats with their 10k hours are up for anything different, but that isn't the majority of the playerbase at all. Add onto the fact that you don't need more than 1/3 of the playerbase to play the mode to get enough feedback to make changes, and you just leave players still questioning why they didn't just do it in experimental. You really don't need the majority to play the mode to get sufficient meaningful data.
@Uncle_hellboy
6 ай бұрын
Mw3 was so bad I came back to this game
@Norrbaggen92
7 ай бұрын
Would love to see winrate in your profile on different maps in ow if they put in map picks. And when you get a match you can see the other teams total winrate on the maps so you can counterpick maps etc etc. It would be such a more rewarding feeling if you beat a 90% winrate team on kings row etc
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