Wsg Marz, y’all should make a vid on peak lebrons defense. I think it’s truly underrated abd so unique no glazing shit. I think peak lebron defense is better than jordan
@Goatfan2k
13 күн бұрын
@@nathanwhyte9048no it ain’t peak mj is getting at least 3 steals and a 1 block or more it only until Rodman and pippen emerged Jordan defensive assignment got a bit easier and even then Ron Harper Jordan pippen were picking guys up half court
@zacharyhupert2388
10 ай бұрын
We all know the real goat is 77
@marcusht7352
10 ай бұрын
Deadass
@DirtyDev
10 ай бұрын
Sage alt account:
@cdeo4l668
10 ай бұрын
rs
@d4bandit145
10 ай бұрын
The only good outlaws fan
@tr3ymizzles542
10 ай бұрын
And 1 incoming
@chase-iy9rd
10 ай бұрын
BSOLZ is literally one of the best youtubers man. he’s just a vibe
@ericksaa1510
10 ай бұрын
da man. bsolz got crazy potential to grow even bigger then he is now
@phoenixc6812
10 ай бұрын
@@ericksaa1510in what way?
@ericksaa1510
10 ай бұрын
@@phoenixc6812 bsolz is entertaining af. being away from the podcast or sage he still articulates himself well in multiple topics. he also has more interests then just basketball. the nba community has professed a lot in how it views debates and discussions, making it hard to say something that hasn’t been said. he pivoted away from that with sage and became more light hearted but he can do what he loves instead of always basketball
@Patrennessy
9 ай бұрын
A zibe, one might say
@whooshbait4161
10 ай бұрын
LOW and Marz easily won the debate. People dont realize that when judging a debate, you have to base the winner based off of the points given during the actual debate. I can think LeBron is the GOAT, but if there's a GOAT debate and the people debating for Lebron shit the bed, then I'd have to say the people arguing for MJ won that debate, even though I think that LeBron is the GOAT.
@Suge8263
10 ай бұрын
I just don't get the case for LeBron. When MJ did so much in little. And even by the eye test mj game just looks better
@Cornell_Alvarez99
10 ай бұрын
Naw, Chill was cookin them niggas and they tried so much to move the goal post. That is why I don’t do debates
@iamsheron7408
10 ай бұрын
@@Suge8263the eye test is subjective based on a my eyes test lebron is better you see how me saying that doesn’t really mean anything
@devgocrazy613
10 ай бұрын
@@Suge8263The biggest deal breaker for me Bron’s success against a higher competition level and Bron’s overall game being better than Jordan’s. The arguements is essentially which weapon is better, a shield or a sword. A shield can support yourself and others, while also dealing out damage. A sword can kill with precision at all levels. Shields last longer than swords, but swords gets the job done more efficiently without aid. If you wanna kill a team, Jordan. Wanna win a series, Bron.
@danyoung9832
10 ай бұрын
@@iamsheron7408eye test definitely important for things like defense or players you have never seen play before. You can’t just base every argument off stats imo got to be able to actually have seen the player play. That’s why I personally don’t even really include players from the 60s in my list cause I’ve never really seen them play and I would only be able to judge them based off stats or what someone else has said
@Mark-The-Tenor
10 ай бұрын
I’ve heard all these debates so many times, and it always comes around to showing that Jordan was better even when things weren’t entirely going his way.
@EastSideRudeBoy
10 ай бұрын
Pretty much
@lankyknite
10 ай бұрын
Every ring Jordan won he was the favorite, so when weren’t things going his way. Cuz I’m pretty sure he got swept out the first round multiple times
@iitzblitxen3770
10 ай бұрын
@@lankykniteMJ was the reason they were the favorite
@lankyknite
10 ай бұрын
@@iitzblitxen3770 Jordan has a great team and coach in addition to him
@Big_3000
10 ай бұрын
@@lankyknitebeing the favorites in the finals doesn’t mean anything and is a misleading statement. The Bulls were only heavily favored in 1991 and 1996. In 98, the Jazz were favored over the Bulls.
@alexsmith3598
10 ай бұрын
"you could say LeBron was the reason they lost in MULTIPLE playoff series. Look at 2011. Anyways, next topic because I don't have any more expamples but 'multiple' definitely sounded better."
@willllawhun9455
10 ай бұрын
Glad someone else pointed it out lmao
@BLee09
10 ай бұрын
Who said that? Lmfao
@marlowstanfield6815
10 ай бұрын
2007 Finals
@pantelisellinidis5956
10 ай бұрын
2023 against denver is another one
@fluff975
10 ай бұрын
@@pantelisellinidis5956 no tf its not, AD was inconsistent that entire series, LeBron was solid throughout and incredible in the elimination game
@somerandomcanuck9432
10 ай бұрын
I like the fact that Chill just made his Lebron defensive stats the fuck up. I didn't really understand if he was talking the 2016-17 season where Draymond won DPOY, or the year after that but just for some context. 2016-17 Stats: Lebron James - 1.2 STL & 0.6 BLK per game Jimmy Butler - 1.9 STL & 0.4 BLK per game Draymond Green - 2.0 STL & 1.4 BLK per game (Won DPOY) Also note lebron was tied in 5th place with Andre Roberson and Hassan Whiteside who for comparison posted these stats: Andre Roberson - 1.2 STL & 1 BLK per game Hassan Whiteside - 0.7 STL & 2.1 BLK per game Also note Jimmy Butler wasn't even in the top 10 in voting that year 2017-18 Stats: Lebron James - 1.4 STL & 0.9 BLK per game Jimmy Butler - 2.0 STL & 0.4 BLK per game Draymond Green - 1.4 STL & 1.3 BLK per game Rudy Gobert - 0.8 STL & 2.3 BLK per game (Won DPOY) So Lebron was either worse than or equal to either candidate in both stats (Other than blocks for Jimmy but honestly if 0.2 difference matters that much to you kk) I say this because if Chill wanted to make a defensive player argument about Lebron he should have used the years where Lebron was actually a defensive beast. Those being his early Cavs and Heat years. Lebron only averaged 2 steals once in his career (that being his sophmore year) and his highest blocks average was 1.1, twice in his early cavs career (2007-08 and 2008-09) as well as the 2021-22 year he player 56 games. Micheal Jordon in comparison, averaged 3.2 steals in his 4 season, and averaged over 2 steals a game for all but 3 seasons of his bulls career (His lowest being 1.7 steals) and the 2 wizards years (where he averaged 1.4 and 1.5, higher than lebron these two supposed DPOY years). Also note he led the league in steals 3 times (despite facing competition with all time great steals leaders like Payton or Stockton). Now for blocks Jordon only averaged 0.8 in his career, but he did average more blocks than Lebron's all time high in 3 seasons early in his career (1985-1988) with 1.2, 1.5, and 1.6 blocks respectively for the season. So not only is this a poor comparison, Chill just straight up made his numbers and therefore arguement the fuck up.
@JimBob-jr5up
10 ай бұрын
7:30 In this scenario it will always be 6 in one city. Because its very difficult to maintain, retool, reload, for the near decade the Bulls and MJ did. Dont forget, more than 2 rings on one team is so impressive because its only a matter of time until teams and defenses adjust to be able to handle them. In LBJs situation, the only teams hed go to are stacked teams, ready to win a couple and then hes out again, going to an entirely new stacked team that will take the league a couple years to really figure out.
@98ore
10 ай бұрын
people miss this aspect of it alot, of course he retired after 3, its not easy winning over and over again playing all 82 games or at least 80 games, giving it your all on offense and defense. and then came back and did it again, thats nuts.
@acedatninja23
10 ай бұрын
Buddy said thank God for Pippin like he said something you can say the same thing about James 🤣🤣 Kyrie AD Wade and Bosh I don't know I think LeBron had more help lol😊
@edppoopsock168
10 ай бұрын
I rather have a consistent piece than constantly having new teammates because one got old really fast and the other decided he didn’t wanna be a Robin
@kennethxu1789
10 ай бұрын
i mean lebron almost did it in 2007, but the spurs had an actually well built team.
@Jerome7-v5u
10 ай бұрын
They acting like Rodman was a good player too. Bro was Draymond before Draymond but without the passing, scoring and everything else
@Robertedwinhouse38
10 ай бұрын
But Jordan had pippen Rodman kukoc and Phil Jackson at the same time is the difference
@jackfry5954
10 ай бұрын
Relatively speaking Jordan had more help that’s why his team went 72-10🤣 you can’t compare players teammates like that by decades cause obviously the talent as a whole is always getting better. You have to look at what the players did relative to their era it’s pretty simple actually🤷♂️ makes no sense how people will say stuff like this essentially admitting the talent in the nba has gotten better since the 90s but also deny that lebron would dominate during that era😭
@thekiller3475
10 ай бұрын
People bring up Scotty like LeBron, didn’t have a fuck ton of great players around him at least Scotty was drafted there. LeBron had to go and get help from players that are arguably better than Scottie Pippen especially Anthony Davis and Dwyane Wade.
@puncho8799
10 ай бұрын
Facts!!!! 💯
@Trvllumanati
10 ай бұрын
Don’t forget Kyrie
@practiceyourart
10 ай бұрын
Cuz people are dumb. From his first 3 chips, the third best player on his team like Love was 27/12 the season before. Not second best, third. Then you have Bosch who was top 5 in PER the season before he moved to Miami. Then the year he won his 4th, AD was the 2nd best player in the playoffs after Lebron. People can think Bron is the goat, just use better arguments.
@SomeSortaMentalWealthSeminar
10 ай бұрын
True, but they traded up from 8th to 5th for scotty 3 years after Jordan was drafted , Bron never had that situation to begin with or competent owners in Cleveland. The best pick Cleveland made from his time there (2003-2010) was JJ Hickson (@19th 2008) or Danny green (@46th 2009). With Bron bro Cleveland of all teams wasn't in the lottery to his credit and detriment lol ... As a result of dealing with the shortcomings of Cleveland as an organisation, he literally took on the additional work of recruiting / scouting for himself, baring in mind whilst at Miami his basketball IQ grew further and is factually generational . And tbh we already know he's a better owner than MJ rn lol. In terms of the narrative that Lebron's a choker, 'late game he's not that guy' , ' he gets bailed'. - I just have to laugh, because for all the things Lebron is genuinely accountable for he dosen't get the credit he owed lowkey. Like Drafting Lebron was essentially drafting a Player, All-star, Playoff pusher, MVP, Champion, Face of the league, Vet, Coach, Gm, Owner, Icon, Highest scoring NBA player ever ... it's not like its not a hard decision thou
@puncho8799
10 ай бұрын
@@SomeSortaMentalWealthSeminar Most of what you just said is nonsense 🤦🏽♂️🤣
@c-biscuit632
10 ай бұрын
The most scrutinized NBA player lived up to all the hype and more
@d34n_
10 ай бұрын
Marz was cooking and he doesn’t even think Jordan is greater than Lebron lol
@DirtyDev
10 ай бұрын
yes he does.
@d34n_
10 ай бұрын
@@DirtyDev His all-time greatest players list is on his channel
@DirtyDev
10 ай бұрын
@@d34n_ oh my bad
@jonnstewart2023
10 ай бұрын
he's already said he think that Jordan is better but that bron's longevity is why he has bron as the goat
@MarzTalksSports
10 ай бұрын
@@DirtyDevdamn u said that with confidence
@SmittyWerbenJagermannJensen
10 ай бұрын
Calling KD a playoff choker is crazy
@TheBlankEvolved
10 ай бұрын
He is
@SmittyWerbenJagermannJensen
10 ай бұрын
@@TheBlankEvolved but he isn’t. He arguably has 1 bad playoff series in his entire career.
HES NOT A CHOKER HE JUST CANT WIN WITHOUT A HOF STARTING LINEUP THATS ALL.AND EVEN WHEN HE HAD THAT ON OKC HE STILL SHYT THE BED.GUY IS A PUNK
@SmittyWerbenJagermannJensen
2 ай бұрын
@@SalRubino82 ok lol
@omgodogdeath9932
10 ай бұрын
The only reason MJs finals comp was worse than Lebrons is because he played in the better conference and if Bron played in the west he would not even make the finals as many times as he did
@kenneth9338
10 ай бұрын
This is wrong the era in general was weaker than the 2000s and 2010s as a whole
@Ghost-rb6cw
10 ай бұрын
Jordan did not play in a better east conference lol, only 2 teams push Jordan bulls to 7 games in the entire 90's but some how they're better?
@omgodogdeath9932
10 ай бұрын
@@Ghost-rb6cw how were brons east runs harder
@Jonas-PD
10 ай бұрын
@@kenneth9338The east was a complete joke the majority of the years Lebron played there apart from 2008-2012 when it was top heavy at best.
@iamsheron7408
10 ай бұрын
That’s just an assumption that doesn’t really mean much to the argument at all
@shazebahmed0704
10 ай бұрын
MJ led the league in scoring 10 times And led the league in steals three times
@dadillonful
5 ай бұрын
Against plumbers
@Goatfan2k
13 күн бұрын
Lebron against podcasters 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@MonteYRM
10 ай бұрын
solz just doesnt want to argue about it anymore im not convinced you think lebron is the goat 😂
@BAM2gz
10 ай бұрын
Did not think this video was gonna do the numbers it did 😂
@ItzShashmaBrownskin
10 ай бұрын
Playing way longer and achieving less is crazy for anyone to call him the G.O.A.T When did we start awarding people for coming second place alot 😂😂😂
@eberdamilcar2130
10 ай бұрын
That doesn’t take context into account. No matter how you see it Lebron was just put in way tougher situations
@Logotokounmpo
10 ай бұрын
@eberdamilcar2130 yeah I'm sure hand picking your team is tougher. Jordan also was also going through it in the 80s with a team full of crackheads and going up against lengendary Celtics and Pistons teams
@ItzShashmaBrownskin
10 ай бұрын
@@eberdamilcar2130 he faced top competition in the finals and only the finals coz the east was ass. Then he got there what happened once we expected him to actually win he did 2011.
@eberdamilcar2130
10 ай бұрын
@@ItzShashmaBrownskin even the players and teams Lebron played in the east would dog walk any team for Jordan’s era outside of the bulls. Players today are just much more talented than players from the 80s and 90s
@Ghost-rb6cw
10 ай бұрын
@@ItzShashmaBrownskin lol Jordan doesn't go 6-0 in the lebron era lmao 🤣 smh.
@arsmith21781
10 ай бұрын
Chill is right about the Marc Gasol point the year he won DPOY, the reason is because the writers voted on DPOY & coaches voted on 1st/2nd team all defense. but the player who should've won it was Tony Allen w/53 first place(most) Lebron was 2nd w/52
@DirtyDev
10 ай бұрын
“The writers ™️ “
@justonerandomguy6580
9 ай бұрын
if were being real Tony Allen should have at least 2 DPOYS
@oephry3253
10 ай бұрын
I don’t think Lebron winning on 3 teams should be praised as an accomplishment. Like it is in a way, but what enables him to do that is just the player movement of the era. It’s not like Lebron went to 3 bad teams and turned them from scrubs to a championship on his own. He always had stars and new players coming in as well to improve the team. Now winning is still impressive but when people say that, it feels like they’re giving Lebron all the credit for turning ass teams into great ones, when in reality the rosters also change drastically once Lebron arrived
@puncho8799
10 ай бұрын
Facts!!!! 💯
@Brooklyn94269
10 ай бұрын
Shows his ability to win with different cores, different casts of players and different systems . Most players that win a lot typically have a familiar system and players
@puncho8799
10 ай бұрын
@@Brooklyn94269 That’s not true because we all know whatever team, LeBron goes on and whatever system they are running before he becomes the LeBron system, which means bringing in players to stand around the three-point line and when I drive, I kick it out and you hit the shot
@rockleesankleweights1268
10 ай бұрын
The reason it’s an accomplishment is because no one else can do it. The closest comparison would be the 08 Celtics and their the reason Bron had to go to the Heat. And lets be clear Lebron was drafted to one of the worst organizations in the nba outside of the big 3 the Cavaliers never put a solid team around him and when they did he won
@DirtyDev
10 ай бұрын
“Player moment era” its not like he’s demanded a trade anywhere he’s only signed with different teams in the offseason which is something that’s always been an option for players, people paint it differently when a star player does it.
@qualinteranzy7948
9 ай бұрын
The kobe narrative is hilarious because as soon as shaq left kobe went on national radio and threatened the lakers to get him another star or he was leaving.
@fijivine
10 ай бұрын
I don’t get the staying on one team argument for Kobe and Jordan because both of there front offices provided players like Shaq and pippen in there first 7 years while Brons best player was either mo Williams or Larry Hughs. If Cleveland didn’t fumble Boozer then I totally agree with the sentiment that staying with one team is harder but let’s not act like the Kobe and Jordan’s front offices wheren’t way better in the first seven years of their career. Also let’s not forget Kobe did ask for a trade before pau gasol got there which he was right in doing so because he was wasting his best athletic peak years…. MJ retired twice when the bulls lost interior presence (Horace grant) and the threat of firing Phil
@Looptroop98
10 ай бұрын
Facts
@Trvllumanati
10 ай бұрын
I get the one team argument perfectly. Would you rather be the head of a dynasty or win chips with multiple teams?
@Looptroop98
10 ай бұрын
@@Trvllumanati Kobe wasn’t the head of the dynasty it was Shaq Jordan was the head but he didn’t improve any of his players they were already proven
@jaridatkinson4907
10 ай бұрын
Lol he improved scottie alot actually
@yunoAsta141
10 ай бұрын
@@Looptroop98who was proven on the bulls team 😂
@kenjiNaga
10 ай бұрын
I swear when they don’t got a comeback for Lebron greatness they bring up 2011😂😂 just like they only bring up jordan six rings
@puncho8799
10 ай бұрын
Jordan 🐐
@bagchaser326
10 ай бұрын
why do y’all try to erase 2011?? it’s not anybody else’s fault but brons that it happened 😂😂😂😂😂😂 not the GOAT
@peewee0224
10 ай бұрын
@@bagchaser326because every single player in nba history has had bad series. It gets way overblown because it was a finals.
@unlimitedz2.014
10 ай бұрын
I mean they said 2013 and explained how that also wasn’t a good performance
@peewee0224
10 ай бұрын
@@unlimitedz2.014 25 11 and 7 with 2.3 steals isnt good????????? lol what
@limitedbom2206
10 ай бұрын
Every goat debate is the same. Jordan fans say how good he was, how he elevated the game, he was the best on both sides of the ball. Lebron fans complain about how everything was unfair. His teams weren’t fair, his opponents weren’t fair, his coaches weren’t fair. It’s obvious who’s the goat.
@robertoloor285
10 ай бұрын
a thinking like this is why jorsexuals are jorsexuals. Explain to me how jordan got swept 2x in the first round without excuses? Just cant accept the fact that Jordan had the best scenario for him getting drafted at the best org and gm
@limitedbom2206
10 ай бұрын
@@robertoloor285 He got swept what excuse is there? They lost (best of 5) so they weren't good enough to win. What else is there to say?
@robertoloor285
10 ай бұрын
@@limitedbom2206 Yes then you get the point. Jordan did not have success early but main difference is jordan was awarded pippen by his org. Lebron got who? A grandpa shaq? this is why lebron fans claim that his situation is worse or unfair. Jordan was placed into a position to win. He got a good org and that org turned the bulls into 72 win team arguable the best team of ALL TIME. Did lebron ever had to get that opportunity? Not even close.
@jaridatkinson4907
10 ай бұрын
Chicago never won before mj and haven't won since they're essentially Cleveland in a better city
@limitedbom2206
10 ай бұрын
@@robertoloor285 Lebrons team had the best record in the league for 2 years straight, but I guess they were trash. Plus, pippen was hurt all the fuckin time in the playoffs but they still won without him. Lebron woulda jumped ship year 2 with pippens injury prone ass. Jordan didn't run when things got hard, if it was inconvenient, lebron ring chased. Case closed, lebron can only win when his HOF level teammates are in their prime and healthy.
@dumpsterjuice6088
10 ай бұрын
your question was which is harder winning 6 rings or bron wins with 3 different teams he won 6 in a row😭😭😭 6 IN A ROW definitely harder
@brrazzy8417
10 ай бұрын
Why would you bring LOW to that he literally is the least open minded person in the basketball community there’s no point in bringing him on a platform cuz your not gonna change his opinion or he won’t even be open to your take he always wants to prove how wrong you are😂
@anthonyfelix9236
10 ай бұрын
Ive noticed that lately with LOW
@peewee0224
10 ай бұрын
Bro he’s also insanely fucking creepy.
@LavonMcLain
10 ай бұрын
fat people in general tbh
@xxJay20sxx
4 ай бұрын
yeah LOW thinks he always right 😂 that’s why i prefer ticket over him sometimes because he comes off as condescending
@PlayersChoiceShow
9 ай бұрын
THANKS FOR THE LOVE! CANT WAIT TO GET YOU ON ONE!
@justinle8787
10 ай бұрын
Compared players from different eras is crazy, different rules, different play styles, different teams. What if Mj was drafted 1st to Houston and Hakeem to the Bulls, what if Wilt was with the Celtics instead of Wilt, what if Lebron was drafted to a better team instead of the unorganized Cavs. There are different Goats in different eras in my opinion.
@practiceyourart
10 ай бұрын
Then Celtics would have won a lot less. Wilt's teams won a pathetic 7.5% more when he played vs when he didn't. Dude's the ultimate statistical anomaly that didn't impact winning all that much. Lebron was drafted to a bad team like most top players in the last few decades. That happens with almost every top player outside of exceptions like Kobe or Bill.
@jjmav9
8 ай бұрын
Respectfully you just taking the fun out of the argument then. Obviously comparing eras isn’t ideal. By that logic, the evolution of the game is the only thing that matters, and whoever is best at the current time is the best period. That ain’t the point of the convo. The point is simply stacking them up against each other, and whoever has the better argument wins. It’s for fun.
@mo.magas824
10 ай бұрын
$2000 for a chair is insane 😂
@GregoryKeller
10 ай бұрын
The issue I have with Lebron fans is that they hate providing context, Draymond and Lebron we’re not homeboys in the 2016 finals so anything he says post 2016 especially since he signed with LeBron sports agency should be taken with a grain of salt
@dereklouther9372
9 ай бұрын
This dude bsolz is a damn troll lmao I love him
@marvinj1000
10 ай бұрын
Longevity for lebron being than mike? Keep the same energy for John Stockton then bsolz stop calling John overrated
@derrrick7759
5 ай бұрын
29:30. LeBalco never won league MVP nor a defensive team in his 30s. Jordan won league MVP twice and 1st team defensive 3x in his 30s.
@back2back379
3 ай бұрын
Chill brought up that Lebron got 5th in DPOY in 2017, as if it's a legitimate point that a single writer gave a 2nd place vote for Lebron for DPOY, giving him a grand total of 3 points in DPOY voting. That's as much of an anomaly vote as Carmelo Anthony getting a single MVP vote in 2013, taking away from Lebron getting an unanimous MVP.
@JimBob-jr5up
10 ай бұрын
IMO the debate should be MJ vs Duncan, not LBJ.
@BlackDTeach-tg8mj
10 ай бұрын
Two three peats is way harder
@Robertedwinhouse38
10 ай бұрын
Not in the 90’s
@bagchaser326
10 ай бұрын
@@Robertedwinhouse38notice how you have to bring up eras to downplay his accomplishments.. that right there makes him the greatest.
@TambayLogic
10 ай бұрын
@@Robertedwinhouse38 not in the 90's cause its MJ.. try asking any other teams if they have the same sentiments as you have
@TambayLogic
10 ай бұрын
even in the 2000's lakers and spurs dominated with 5.. in the 2010's gsw with the softest players ever got 3.. so how is it harder than the 90's??? maybe harder for lebron but not relative to the whole NBA?
@Robertedwinhouse38
10 ай бұрын
@@bagchaser326 not really. Mj passed bill by downplaying his era.
@peewee0224
10 ай бұрын
the two dudes saying mj didnt even watch him play lol. the only guy who did picked lebron. kinda funny
@alieucamara8525
10 ай бұрын
Basketball jubilee is crazy 💀
@puncho8799
10 ай бұрын
Marz and Low won this debate, hands-down even in the original video people were saying in the comments they won, and they only gave it to Chill for sympathy but anyone with a brain knows Jordan is the goat 🐐💯
@eberdamilcar2130
10 ай бұрын
Objectively false
@robertoloor285
10 ай бұрын
lmaooo the comments think they won the debate cuz chill's partner wasnt adding shit. But even when it was 2v1 (mars low vs chill), majority still sided with chill
@puncho8799
10 ай бұрын
@@robertoloor285 No they didn’t. It was a landslide Mars and Low spoke nothing but facts.
@puncho8799
10 ай бұрын
@@eberdamilcar2130 Objectively true
@eberdamilcar2130
10 ай бұрын
@@puncho8799 the only two valid arguments for Jordan is that he’s a slightly better shooter and had more team success
@zackrasphodos.2305
10 ай бұрын
Saying that lebron has done more improvements throughout his career more than JORDAN is crazy. Ok first off, who was lebron going in and who is he right now? He came in as a slashing/play making two way threat that you cannot stop from going to the rim. What is still his optimal play style today? Yes slashing/playmaking. He did improve in everything as he said, but lebron is still not a very good shooter. He is a serviceable one that can be clutch at times throughout his career, but he never excelled at 3 ball and midranges. His last playoff series should tell you enough that at the end lebron should not be shooting unless forced to/hot, since his production is way better when he is sticking to what he has been doing for his whole career. Now let’s go back to Jordan. Going into the nba do you know what was his weakness going in from college to the nba? His weakness was ball handling and shooting. Now let me ask again who was Micheal Jordan at the start of his career and who was he at the end? He started as a two way slasher that was weak at shooting and ball handling. But what did Micheal Jordan end as? One of if not the greatest midrange scorer, while also still being a hyper productive driver with the cleanest handles and footwork by his second three peat. Now. I am not saying that lebron did not improve, again he did and he did improve a lot imo. But when you compare him to a man who literally flipped his weaknesses into his strengths it becomes crazy, bordering on nasty when you glaze lebron so much that you say that he improved more than Jordan. At the start he was below or average in shooting, playmaking and ball handling. But at the end he was literally the best/nearly the best by his second three peat. Idgaf about the goat debate, mj is my goat yes but I respect lebron and people that have him as their goat, as honestly right now you can never have that one objective goat, right now it’s only “what do you value more?” If you value prestige, winning and overall the gap between him and the everyone else for his time you go Jordan. But if you value tenacity, longevity and consistency over the course of a long career then you go LeBron. So this is not me being a Jordan fan who wants lebron to lose, it’s just me being pissed off with the constant narrative that Jordan did not improve as much as lebron. That’s all folks. Thank you for reading my mald talk.
@Kosithegod
10 ай бұрын
Playing in the post, the 3 ball, playmaking, defense, strength, efficiency finishing etc. All things Lebron’s improved on significantly. He might have been good at these things when he came in but get became on all time great in them as he progressed. Good passer to leading the league in assists. Good finisher to argueably the greatest finisher of all time. Positive defender to DPOY calibre, and so on…
@zackrasphodos.2305
10 ай бұрын
@@Kosithegod Like you said most of those are something that lebron came in with and just refined. 3ball is uhh meh, he is serviceable rn I would say but not really good at it. I will say that lebron DEFINITELY is one of the best hard workers and skill developers. You can name peeps that had similar or more than lebron’s improvement’s throughout their career with your hands. But again one of those people is Jordan (people that improved more than him. Again he just refined his skills, unlike Jordan who picked up those skills while also refining everything else. Rookie lebron was definitely more a complete rookie. But Bron is still best utilized using his refined skill sets. Compared to Jordan who came in flawed and came out as the closest to perfect player ever, really the only thing he was missing was the 3 ball, more foresight/passing iq since his passes are more reactive than something he actively carved out. Ps - I definitely thing that Jordan is the best plug and play player in the history of the game, he won’t be able to solo carry as hard as bron does on a bad franchise. But lebron is downright detrimental to some already good lineups, because lebron without the ball in his hands is just downright trolling. Whereas you can put Jordan in any team and instantly that team will be better no matter the system.
@dunc1652
10 ай бұрын
When they say 6-0 , I just want people be honest about the competition the bulls were facing
@franklynmaldonadogor2
10 ай бұрын
And when you go to the finals 8 years in a row please be honest about the competition lebron was facing!
@ykg2393
10 ай бұрын
When you brag about winning on 3 different teams don’t forget to add he lost the majority of those finals on superteams.
@KANEDAMU
10 ай бұрын
Trust in 20 years they gone the same.thing about lebron. Trust I lived long enough to see stupid kids say that. As if you can transport Jordan 20 face 2017 warriors. And you can't bring lebron to face 2042 who ever. They face who they face....... the queastion is.......at that time against their competition what did they do to them and how far were they better or worse to their completion. And I must day at those times with those championships the competition was great we just knew that Jordan was the best player on the court and we kept seeing his greatness beat those great teams. The bulls weren't shabby but honestly it was Jordan putting up 30 ppg and scottie at best 21 ppg. Against trams that had thei to 30 ppg star and their side Sar some years it varied 15 to 20ppg. Back then the super thing team wasn't that crazy in the 90s. It was the star and co- Star and Specialist for every other position.so Jordan should have lost at least one it was pretty even. Lebron lost 6 times because his competition was just so great. What will we say about the gears in the next 20 years. he one 3 rings he's the greatest because his compition was so good. He went 3 and 3 he's the greatest. This is a loser way of thinking.
@Ghost-rb6cw
10 ай бұрын
@@franklynmaldonadogor2 we ain't talking about the road before the finals bro we're talking about the finals lol, the finals is we're everything is on the line, it's insane how you Jordan stans just continue to move the goal post.
@bboywolf
10 ай бұрын
@@Ghost-rb6cwwhy? Because it doesnt suit your narrative. Lebron had 3 easy rounds before the finals. Jordan had to face pistons, knicks, heat, pacers, magic... miami heat in the east never faced a team as talented as them. Not once. It wasnt even close. Then finally lebron goes to the finals and then complains about the comp? He had a super team most of those years lol
@kidflashiv
10 ай бұрын
Mars without the hoodie is crazy
@TheMissiIe
10 ай бұрын
The debate comes down to what you value most: Longevity - Lebron Stats - Jordan Peak - Jordan Accolades - Jordan The ONLY argument for Lebron is longevity, and it really isn't good enough to beat stats, peak, and accolades
@DeMortuisAutNilAut
10 ай бұрын
Lebron could be considered the more versatile player with his passing and playmaking
@puncho8799
10 ай бұрын
Facts!!!! 💯
@josephvernon21
10 ай бұрын
more versatile ways to lose. plus jordan gets more offensive boards. and jordan was literally the best point guard of all time. where are lebrons seasons averaging 32-6-6-3-1?@@DeMortuisAutNilAut
@peewee0224
10 ай бұрын
Lebron has better stats and arguably a better peak. Not to mention the thing I value most versatility.
@TheMissiIe
10 ай бұрын
@@DeMortuisAutNilAutI would agree as well. But Shaq, Russell and Kareem are the opposite of versatility and they're top 15 all time. Versatility can't be the tipping point for Lebron because then you must have Westbrook over Dirk all time
@RackedupYe300
9 ай бұрын
So the only argument is longevity.
@dereklouther9372
9 ай бұрын
No…. It’s not JUST Longevity it’s the stats it’s Defense its the presence around the league it’s media coverage the media hates Bron More then the media loves Jordan 😂 which is why the debate continues Lebron has 200M haters only one who has more then him is Cristiano Ronaldo
@MTBMeech
10 ай бұрын
Solz puttin that respect on Kobe name?🗣️
@ChronicalK
10 ай бұрын
LKIAB should do this… oh wait 💀
@settrender
10 ай бұрын
i hope BSOLZ takes this vid as a nod to the types of videos LKIAB should be doing to elevate their brand !!
@ImJayyFr
10 ай бұрын
32:00 Imagine calling 23/7.5/11 bad 😂😂
@isaacsandoval482
10 ай бұрын
I’d be so upset if I averaged 23/7.5/11 couldn’t be me 😂
@ImJayyFr
10 ай бұрын
@@isaacsandoval482 you’re right, you never could get that high. It’s okay. 😂🗣️
@uwin23
9 ай бұрын
Stop acting stupid, we clearly comparing that statline to the goat standard which in that case was far from met and just putting a statline like that without mentioning the absolute dogshit efficiency certainly lacks a lot of context...
@SalRubino82
2 ай бұрын
THERE ARE 4 PLAYERS IN THE GOAT DEBATE AND EVERYONE INCLUDING KOBE FANATICS KNOWS THIS MJ,Bron,Kareem,and Bill Russell
@SalRubino82
2 ай бұрын
IM CURIOUS IF THOSE TWO HAVE LEBRON RIGHT BEHIND MJ OR THEY THINK LEBRON IS FURTHER DOWN THE GREATEST LIST
@kingdot9287
10 ай бұрын
my glorious king is crazy
@kingdot9287
10 ай бұрын
as soon as I typed this dude said the fact thing in the video
@zackrasphodos.2305
10 ай бұрын
Also 1500 dollars is 85470 pesos. So yes, 1500 is more than a years rent, since like middle class apartments are around 4-7 thousand a month. My moms photo studio + home with a kitchen, bathroom, two bedroom space and two larger spaces is 5k. And my moms studio is considered very well off, as most can only afford like, 1 bedroom 1 bathroom and one living space.
@GameOnTheCourt
9 ай бұрын
Saying MJ got Scottie is the same as Lebron had KLove, Kyrie and a Jr coming off a 6th man of the year on the Cavs. Dwade, Bosh, Allen and Haslem as a dirty work guy. On the lakers had AD, Rando, Dwight, Caruso who was an amazing perimeter defender
@GameOnTheCourt
9 ай бұрын
Then in 2007, that Cavs team was an elite defensive team
@dereklouther9372
9 ай бұрын
@@GameOnTheCourtNO THEY WERENT LMAO 💀💀VERJAO IS GOOD TO U? Cmon Bro ur tweeking
@omelettedufromage4
10 ай бұрын
I’ve never seen dude in the orange below the chest lol … seems so weird also going to three teams and three chips is crazy
@puncho8799
10 ай бұрын
Not when you’re able to handpick your superstar, teammates
@omelettedufromage4
10 ай бұрын
@@puncho8799 my rebuttal is .. I’ve seen mad niggas pick the superstar teammates .. and I’ve seen those same people either not win or only win one .. not 3
@peewee0224
10 ай бұрын
@@puncho8799how that work out for kd?
@omelettedufromage4
10 ай бұрын
@@peewee0224 lol I was gon wait till he replied to say how’d that work for kd or James harden or cp3 or kyrie after bron or Paul pierce after Boston or in Boston lol
@peewee0224
10 ай бұрын
@@omelettedufromage4 exactly people make it seem like it’s so easy but all these other superstars failed at it.
@rustyneedle6031
10 ай бұрын
I know LOW ain't feeling that lil ahh chair
@marcello46
10 ай бұрын
The dude 2nd to the left didn’t need to be there tbh
@chupapi6724
10 ай бұрын
i dislike these debates. why cant they all just be hokages respected for their own individual achievements instead of putting one down for another.
@andrewchester3527
10 ай бұрын
Anybody who thinks Lebron is the goat is a laughing stock to real hoopers. All of his goat arguments are narrative based 😂 when have you ever heard someone say “Jordan is the greatest because he improved” wtfff 😭😭😭
@jakeadams7183
10 ай бұрын
Don’t really think they made a great case for Lebron. The debate often gets dragged into a direction that isn’t just purely hoop. Jordan was the better jump shooter, esp off pin downs etc.. better above and below the rim. Watch the film, the man probably has a 10 min highlight film of contact dunks. Better and more consistent defender, as gifted a playmaker, and that gets overshadowed by his scoring because he was that prolific. The creativity and cat quick first step as well. If you really break down both of their games I don’t really understand how you can say Lebron is better. Now if you want to make it into a debate about career numbers that define one’s greatness then that case can be made for Lebron. But jordan has done more in a 15 year career then Lebron has done in 21.
@benbirrd788
5 ай бұрын
The tape dont lie
@adames127
10 ай бұрын
surprised LOW didn’t break that chair
@llkingproductionsl2154
10 ай бұрын
Another thing to take into consideration is that Jordan's level of play before Phil Jackson was enough for him to get his points but barely enough to positively affect his team come team record, because of that the bulls in some windows had the opportunity to draft great talent and that main talent was Scottie Pippen. Lebron and his style of play simply produces winning because he doesn't just score, he also playmakes for his teammates
@Suge8263
10 ай бұрын
I'm just confused The guy who lost more.The guy who lost. More style is conducive to winning. More than the guy who played with less talent and won more
@Kosithegod
10 ай бұрын
@@Suge8263 Lebron won more early in his career and as a result his team got worse draft picks and couldn’t improve. Suffering from success is what he’s saying
@drechester5171
9 ай бұрын
@@Kosithegodthey Jordan fans, they don’t like when you put things into context😂💀💯 LeBron the 🐐 simple.
@MrFrelix92
10 ай бұрын
I hate that this made me realize a lot of waynes bars are just dad jokes 😂
@omelettedufromage4
10 ай бұрын
Please don’t let this channel and Lkiab make you forget about goat Wayne … I love these guys .. but Omar from Atlanta and domo hate Wayne .. ..”we are so ready for the war.. c a r t e r .. but the beat in er .. I’m colder than br .. add another 3r’s .. watch me like dvd vcr.. pump to your chest I ain’t talking cpr …” nah son lol they gotta stop the hate
@kushkush24
10 ай бұрын
That six titles is less impressive it was really one run
@kesenaememere8520
2 ай бұрын
You crazy
@vatoalfred5721
9 ай бұрын
LeBron - Longevity, Versatility and Greater off the court . . . Especially in the social media and super team era which makes this more impressive. Jordan - Accolades, statistics & peak
@user-pn6zp3jq4z
9 ай бұрын
if one player is compare with mj,then he is already success
@benjaminan1183
10 ай бұрын
33:05 LOW is insane for this type of narrative pushing, there's no way Bron's peak includes 2011, but not 08, 09, 10,17 or 18.
@bboywolf
10 ай бұрын
Why? His best years were clearly in miami. He was the best offensive player and great defensively. 2018 he was not a good defender even if chill says otherwise. KZitem "lebron replies to being slowest player" literally was using all his energy on offense wtf
@benjaminan1183
10 ай бұрын
@@bboywolf He definitely wasn't best offensive player on his team in 2011, that year and 2015 were clear down years for him productivity wise.
@strangecoolguy3049
10 ай бұрын
@@benjaminan1183fax. Bron peak offensively was like 2017.
@eazymb.
10 ай бұрын
Draymond wasn’t lying when he said that tho. Y’all just don’t wanna talk about it.
@Isocentral
9 ай бұрын
People who say bron changes teams drastically let me break it down for you Heat: Bosh wade(obviously) and Mario chambers and ray allen let’s not talk like those other dudes were scrubs than he seen a young talent in Cleveland (kyrie) was in talks with trading Wiggins for love it happened and etc like stop it than he seen the decline in Cleveland didn’t wanna play their cause he seen his inevitable hardship that he didn’t want to face went to LA with a young core which were all good because the moment he traded them(for a top 5 player in the league during that time by the way) they all went on to literally make huge impacts and lead their own teams into the playoffs by the way than proceeded to get more role players for him and AD (two top 5 players) with pieces around them who finally made it to the finals in 2020 to almost lose to a jimmy butler sophomore season Tyler hero and a 3rd season bam and as much as people look at bron and say he carried I guarantee u put bron on that 2020 heat team he’s trading half that heat roster after he gets bounced in the first round
@Viper_75th_RR
2 ай бұрын
Jordan is the GOAT. More championships, more MVPs, more all defensive teams. Jordan won 10 scoring championships. LeBron won 1! What are we talking about.
@Westbrook__
10 ай бұрын
Every argument for jordan boils down to only 6 years of his career because we love to convientely ignore every other year, meanwhile pretty much every argument against lebron includes every year or sometimes overly nitpicks the 2011 season... that is jordan fans. Just nit pickers who pick and choose when they wanna give a shit about stuff. LeBron James, is the single greatest basketball player to touch an NBA court. It's THAT simple.
@kesenaememere8520
2 ай бұрын
Nope, Jordan is the Goat LeBron, is a chronic loser, 4-6 in the finals, with some of the best assembled teams in history.
@Westbrook__
2 ай бұрын
@@kesenaememere8520 dawg it's a 7month old comment and idc. at this point I just think people who still think jordan is the goat, as dumbasses who's opinions don't really matter. Lebron surpassed him and you don't know basketball if you're going to sit here and say that lebron has had "some of the best assembled teams in history" with a straight face.
@raviolihands5347
9 ай бұрын
Magic won a finals MVP AND CHAMPIONSHIP AS A ROOKIE I DONT CARE WHAT LEBRON DID AS A 23 year old when magic DID IT ALREADY AND FINISHED THE JOB
@derrrick7759
5 ай бұрын
11:15. He’s delusional lol. Yes, continuity is important, but LeBalco didn’t play with scrubs in Miami. He had superstars- Wade and Bosh. LeBalco so into himself, he gave the “not 1, not 2” speech lol.
@lookatcodyman654
10 ай бұрын
Kareem greater than both
@AlphaGamingClubOfficial
9 ай бұрын
This kinda gave me the idea that the goat is MJ. They arguments was horrible😂and thank you B for giving Kobe his unrecognized flowers
@zakurietremblay7677
5 ай бұрын
He’s not faster then Jordan 🤡
@TambayLogic
10 ай бұрын
jordan didnt have deficiencies he only needed to have a better teammates.. we can even argue MJ is much better player in the 80's but he will never win against a superteam boston with bird and lakers superteam with kareem and magic.. problem with this debate is lebron has alot of deficiencies at year 10 lebron still needs to improve his shooting like wtf your goat still needs to develop at year 10?? thats insane low standards
@robertoloor285
10 ай бұрын
i dont get it, improve shooting like huh? isnt your goat jordan one of the worst 3pt shooters? even legends and coaches criticize his early years cuz he didnt know how to playmake and use his teammates (like lebron). The notion "lebron improves his shooting" is evidence that he is trying to get everyday, but statistically, he is even a much better 3pt shooter than jordan.
@llkingproductionsl2154
10 ай бұрын
Jordan in the 80's mainly scored the ball and didn't produce winning basketball, but you just look at the points and assume he was arguably better in those years. Without Phil Jacksons system he might've just only cared about scoring
@TambayLogic
10 ай бұрын
@@llkingproductionsl2154 jordan had a trash team back then and he needed teammates who had the same mentality as him who needed to improve like pippen.. if pippen was pippen in the 80's i believe they wouldve get further in the playoffs.. he needed phil jackson thats true but from the get go jordan was jordan he played hard everytime offensively and defensively.. no excuses like lebron had
@TambayLogic
10 ай бұрын
@@robertoloor285 you telling me a shooting guard cant playmake?? isnt that the job of a PG and a shooting guard needs to shoot the ball?? dont be fooled of this new era do it all players bullshit cause lebron isnt even a good playmaker.. his ALL TIME #1 turnover leader tells you everything.. if you arent efficient in what you do then why bother?? jordan is the best scorer ever because its his job now tell me what lebron did that he is the best?? lebron only has 2-3 assist more than jordan but jordan had 5-7 more pts than lebron ever did.. jordan even has more blocks than lebron who is a fucking almost a center even in rebounds lebron is shit for his size.. do it all bullshit players that doesnt translate to winning are the worst players look at harden and westbrook
@llkingproductionsl2154
10 ай бұрын
@@TambayLogic I agree with you on the fact that the bulls were not that good, some people forget the fact that they were a pretty young franchise when Jordan entered the scene for them so in a sense he has to create the teams identity, however LeBron in his first 7 years compared to Jordan’s shows that LeBrons style of play led to winning basketball obviously after those years Jordan for sure contributed to winning. LeBron In those years carried his team to 60+ win seasons and was expected to defeat 2000’s super team all by himself
@SmartPsychopat1
2 ай бұрын
LeBron is the better player, Jordan is the greater player.
@jont4117
10 ай бұрын
LeBron is my goat
@3self
10 ай бұрын
Awe. That’s cute
@jont4117
10 ай бұрын
@@3selfcute?
@TheMissiIe
10 ай бұрын
@@jont4117yes, cute and incorrect
@puncho8799
10 ай бұрын
Jordan is the goat 🐐💯
@Sf75178
10 ай бұрын
And why is he?
@shazebahmed0704
10 ай бұрын
How many championships did lebron promise Miami was it 6 or was it 7 guys I need your help how many championships did lebron win with Miami 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@bthermidorl
9 ай бұрын
The Heat should've made the finals. Lebron isn't getting penalized enough. I wanted the Heat to win so bad, I absolutely hated the Mavs. Lebron choking is beyond unexpected and inexcusable.
@dereklouther9372
9 ай бұрын
People bring that up every time though. 💀 2011 was brought up every time lmao relax hater
@bthermidorl
9 ай бұрын
@@dereklouther9372 Hey dumbie, you can't be hater if you speak facts. Lol LeBron can't shoot.
@devonpeterson471
10 ай бұрын
He literally cut it at the best part smh
@edvardasgolgatkovas5445
10 ай бұрын
Not even a debate it's MJ and it's not even close
@MrGizzy84
10 ай бұрын
The only way i say Jordan is the goat is if you bring up the point he had his career and is the reason for kobes career
@foolishgenius
10 ай бұрын
What's Bsolz talking about the Cavs sign LeBron before they even made the trade for Kevin Love?????
@nosuitsgiven
10 ай бұрын
Lebron is your goat? Where you even born when Jordan played? Unfollowed, just kidding. Kareem did it without all the drugs btw.
@JustAGoose_Z9
10 ай бұрын
TALK TO EM 🔥🔥🔥🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️👾👾👾 i lied i don’t agree Lebron does NOT take PEDs 💀
@nosuitsgiven
10 ай бұрын
6 for the same is harder because once you win everyone is coming for your system. They are dissecting everything and everyone is learning from the exposure. Different is a reset.
@BabyIA3
10 ай бұрын
Were*
@JustAGoose_Z9
10 ай бұрын
@@nosuitsgiventype shit, that aspect is mad overlooked
@MrFrelix92
10 ай бұрын
Proof?
@AKRosarioMusic
10 ай бұрын
Phil Jackson could NEVER be the Goat cause of what he pulled in NY
@shazebahmed0704
10 ай бұрын
Nah that boy is soft as hell my glorious king you sound like a fairy But MJ he’s the goat he stopped legends from winning championships
@giovannifeliciano837
10 ай бұрын
I feel like we can’t discredit lebron for leaving that trash ass Cleveland squad. But saying that’s what’s happening but still
@michaelmayers3622
5 ай бұрын
Mj not the most efficent scorer
@cjt9264
10 ай бұрын
Where can we see this debate ? They never updated it on their channel
@Allensanor
10 ай бұрын
That whole staying in th ups and down LBJ legit stayed for 7 years!!! And took that team to the finals is that not the ups?? I’m so confused
@JimBob-jr5up
10 ай бұрын
Its clearly Marco Jeric.
@1coven
9 ай бұрын
Some NBA fans are so lucky that LeBron underperformed the way he did in 2011. Because if 2011 didnt happen, there would barely be an argument for Jordan 😂
@nsavvy1020
9 ай бұрын
The fact that you blow over MJs accomplishments as if MJs Goat status is dependent on Lebron choking in 2011 is crazy.
@RackedupYe300
9 ай бұрын
@@nsavvy1020yeah they sound so dumb .
@Giga_15
10 ай бұрын
Solz be lookin good😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😙😝😝😙😙😝😚😚😝
@SomeSortaMentalWealthSeminar
10 ай бұрын
With the SAME team around them as each-other ... 1989-1990 Jordan VS 2013-2014 LeBron ? ? ? Who winning ? ? ? ( Luol Deng's my goat anyway )
@sub2cam870
10 ай бұрын
“oh this is really good right here”
@Clarenceisgoat
10 ай бұрын
Messi is the goat
@elimullen9864
10 ай бұрын
General being the best playing on three different franchises and winning a ring with them is harder … because no one has done it before … other players won 6 chips with 1 franchises
@dylanpuchel187
10 ай бұрын
Nobody has won 6 with one team since the merger when there was more than 8 teams
@ChaseMartinOnly
10 ай бұрын
As soon as 2011 happened, all talk of Lebron being the goat disappeared. No goat is ever the 2nd best on their championship team over a 6 game stretch. That is pathetic.
@calebcicero7727
10 ай бұрын
Low is. a good debater but that guy to his left didn’t say shit
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