Am I the only one who genuinely enjoys Punisher comics because hes a badass action character and understands its just fiction.
@Anto_Skum
3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. I'm just a Punisher fan, simple... But I do think there's a big misunderstanding about the character and it's coming from BOTH directions. I hate that what is essentially just a modern day Pulp hero has to get bogged down by politics.
@shizi6810
2 жыл бұрын
It’s ok to criticize how its symbol being abused and co-opted by white supremacist.
@guardian7773
2 жыл бұрын
I just like the symbol because it looks cool
@factualopinion4275
2 жыл бұрын
I am just more interested in antiheroes. That's why I started reading punisher comics a few days ago.
@Hardmanferdead
2 жыл бұрын
No you’re not the only one, I really like it whenever he clashes/team-up with some of the other Marvel street characters. Also if you’re a punisher or military action fan you should check out Bloodshot, it’s essentially what if Frank becomes a nanite powered super soldier meets Bourne Identity.
@Vontux
3 жыл бұрын
Skulls...are we the baddies?
@theyredistortingyourrhthym4381
3 жыл бұрын
all govt operative
@Anto_Skum
3 жыл бұрын
It's almost like skull symbolism has a millennia long military history or something.
@Vontux
3 жыл бұрын
@@Anto_Skum nice try fasy, we still gonna bashy
@theysellsoulscheaphere8501
2 жыл бұрын
We like to use official communist fists as logos because it makes us feel powerful even though we're really insecure
@ethanweeter2732
Жыл бұрын
@@Anto_Skum The Punisher skull may have origins with Viet Cong snipers.
@arkinyte13
3 жыл бұрын
First off the creator of the Punisher disowned the right for appropriating his symbol. Secondly even the Punisher knows he’s not a hero, he knows he’s a monster that hunts other monsters and told some cops in one issue to not admire him. And thirdly the punisher has killed CROOKED COPS in the comics as well as CIA and white supremacists in the comics, not very “patriotic” in the views of the right. This just shows me that the right are all surface level with their thinking, and don’t actually read these books he is a character that’s a critique on our unjust justice system.
@arkinyte13
3 жыл бұрын
@Paul Snelling lol I commented before watching it like a dunce.
@Raketoer
3 жыл бұрын
You equated "patriotism" with white supremacy and crooked cops, but sure "the right is surface level with their thinking". You do you buddy.
@arkinyte13
3 жыл бұрын
@@Raketoer Many of these “patriots” killed a cop in DC and most of them worked for cops or were ex-military. Just recently a black woman was attacked at one of these rallies because she just happened to walk by. Plus white supremacists were at the storming of DC. So condemn that shit or shut the fuck up.
@fawful7457
3 жыл бұрын
The far right is not only racist and immature, but are edgelords as well.
@Anto_Skum
3 жыл бұрын
What does the "creator" of the Punisher have to do with anything? His job was done almost half a century ago. Grant, Dixon, Baron, Ennis and many others are far more important to the Punisher and his characterization than Conway ever was.
@veggiezombie
3 жыл бұрын
In Milwaukee there was/ is a group of cops who called themselves "punishers" they had punisher skulls all over their gear and were known for being very rough with suspects
@macrussell78
3 жыл бұрын
So a pack of man children. Nothing new really.
@mechanomics2649
3 жыл бұрын
Maximum cringe.
@ScammerTrolling
2 жыл бұрын
@@mechanomics2649 If you think that's cringe, wait til you see Antifa
@christopherwillemsen1410
2 жыл бұрын
The punisher skull is very commonly used in the military too. My squad adopted it and probably thousands more.
@loganmansiongames
2 жыл бұрын
That is pretty pretty cringe but I remember like Gerry Conway (the creator of the Punisher) did actually made a response to that by writing a comic where these two cops arrested The Punisher/Frank Castle and basically they found out he was The Punisher so they're like oh my God you're awesome can we take a picture with you and that led to Frank basically said "No if you want a role model look at Captain America I'm not somebody to look up to."
@RobertEdwinHouse9
3 жыл бұрын
Correct me if im wrong but doesnt Frank think that the cops are useless
@RealRoboKnight
3 жыл бұрын
Doesn't any hero think that way?
@GeteMachine
3 жыл бұрын
Conservatives and Anti-SjW reactionaries don't actually read comics. Just appropriate them.
@WAEVOICE
3 жыл бұрын
Lloyd Irving The likes of YoungRippa would implore to differ.
@HeadGodoftheGodCouncil
3 жыл бұрын
@The New Lunar Republic Official Lying about reading comics..
@jeremiahpickens5048
2 жыл бұрын
@@GeteMachine Wrong. Some of us do. And I still agree the justice system is unreliable at times. To much red tape.
@caligulajones1237
3 жыл бұрын
I cant find reference to it online, but my father had a Captain America and Punisher vs Flag Smasher (an anti nationalist villain) graphic novel. It was basically a Reagan era nationalist drivelfest. I wish I could find it, it was outlandish conservative propaganda.
@sc6658
3 жыл бұрын
As a left wing Punisher fan (my favorite characters are usually problematic antiheroes), THANK YOU. He’s not meant to be cool and badass, Frank Castle is a tragic character.
@brieuxbayot6823
3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, the Punisher got the exact same problem as all popular antiheroes : a lot of people doesn't really get the point and just want to be like them. Red Hood (who is very similar to the Punisher actually), Kira, Rick, Walter White, the Joker of the 2019 movie etc etc... These characters are indeed likable and you feel some empathy for them but you're not supposed to take them as role models and I have the feeling that a pretty significant portion of the audience haven't fully understood the message those fictions were trying to communicate.
@sc6658
3 жыл бұрын
@@brieuxbayot6823 Yeah, that’s a really important part of understanding antihero/morally gray characters. I make OCs for fun a lot (it’s probably my main hobby) so I can appreciate the complexities of a well-written character. I’m probably the most familiar with Walter White and I like to say that “I like Walt, but not in the way that middle-aged white men do”. It’s a really big shame because Walt is a fantastically written character that shows a lot of the desperation the American healthcare system puts people in as well as being an excellent critique of the toxic masculinity that can be present in even the most “tame”, “nice” guy. But people only see him run people over with his car, shoot them, and dissolve them in barrels of acid before going back to cooking meth and are like “wow cool”.
@ultrainferno.
2 жыл бұрын
Same thing with batman as well. He shouldn't be idolized.
@nkemnoraulmanfredini7286
2 жыл бұрын
@@ultrainferno. debatable.
@ethanweeter2732
Жыл бұрын
@@brieuxbayot6823 I actually like Punisher and Saw. What Saw did was better than what Walter White was doing. I don’t like bad guys. Thanos is one I never understood the love. He is psychotic and nihilistic with no appreciation for nuance.
@thekiddo115
3 жыл бұрын
I have a punisher shirt that I would wear at trade school and work to blend in with the conservatives that were there and I could talk to them about left wing issues and they would be more receptive to listening to me.
@rawalshadab3812
3 жыл бұрын
hahahahaha next level psy-ops!
@ScammerTrolling
2 жыл бұрын
So you realized they don't live in an echo chamber like you?
@-cheerio-
3 ай бұрын
confuse the enemy, neat
@Canoby
2 жыл бұрын
I think many of us go through that shithead grimdark period, where the Punisher seems to be completely based. Then you grow up a bit and realize he's a tragic character and not someone at all to be emulated.
@filipv2167
Жыл бұрын
It's amazing how little they understand about the Punisher, he's literally the epitome of #Antifa.
@WAEVOICE
Жыл бұрын
How many random drivers has he stopped on the street? How many federal sites has he desecrated? How often does he get in a fight without a hot weapon? Maybe "little" isn't the word you're seeking.
@FreeCatCheese
3 жыл бұрын
To think that the Punisher was created in an issue of Spiderman ages ago way back in the day and he was trying to kill Spiderman.
@keepingbusy6808
3 жыл бұрын
Who can proudly say ‘I shot people struggling during a natural catastrophe’???
@movieblocks9164
3 жыл бұрын
Im huge freaking marvel fan so naturally I love punisher but do these cops realize that the punisher wouldn't have a problem gunning them down. He's like a more extreme antifa.
@patrioticjustice9040
3 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure given how ANTIFA has been murdering people and burning cars and buildings down for over 150 days now, that Punisher would be mowing them down like grass. He's not affiliated with politics; if he sees you committing a crime, your brains are going to paint the wall.
@movieblocks9164
3 жыл бұрын
@@patrioticjustice9040 Lol punisher is crime. Hes a vigilante who breaks the law for what he believes is right. He doesn't care how many bodies are in his path. I'm guessing you don't know too much about the punisher?
@patrioticjustice9040
3 жыл бұрын
@@movieblocks9164 I know Punisher kills criminals. Age, race, gender, political affiliation, doesn't matter, he doesn't discriminate. If you commit a crime, you're gonna die. In his mind, there is only innocent or guilty.
@patrioticjustice9040
3 жыл бұрын
@New Lunar Republic Official Me or MovieBlocks?
@patrioticjustice9040
3 жыл бұрын
@New Lunar Republic Official Ah.
@robertslipek7311
3 жыл бұрын
man, what is it with KYLES
@Sol-0T-hn5ro
4 ай бұрын
Fun fact: Marvel went through an arc in which the red skull rewrote reality into his fascist dream. During this marvel era, Frank Castle took orders from hydra, and kiilled a lot pf anti fascist, anti system ppl in various organizations, some, even left leaning (or at least super libbed) When the arc was over, lots of ppl retained their memories, the punisher was one of them, ashamed, frustrated and white hot angry, he first just shot evey nazi and hydra person he remembered, then he spent a whole arc only doing the same... So, yeah, wish we could teleport all these maga cops, nazis, racists and fascists into the Marvel world, straight into that arc and see how long they would stay alive ...also, teleport all cops with the P-logo on their cars as well and hand him a full folder woth all black vs white harassment ratio and see what happens.
@Nell_Tanya
3 жыл бұрын
Hey Kav is your voice tired or something else?
@TheKavernacle
3 жыл бұрын
Think I say somewhere in the video - but had a cold, got a COVID-19 test just to be sure it wasn't the virus
@nicholasmartins3030
2 жыл бұрын
There is nothing wrong the cops wear the punisher logo, it’s just to look badass and intimidating and to strike fear to criminals, sure punisher is a vigilante who punish criminals breaking the law but hey he is a fictional character!
@tiger_lord305
2 жыл бұрын
You entirely missed the point of this video. Did you even watch it? Regardless, cops shouldn’t be using any symbolism like this at all.
@lactobacillusprobiotic7029
4 ай бұрын
Did we watch the same video????
@dillerandzach
2 жыл бұрын
He takes Justice in his own hands only when the Justice system fails the people their supposed to protect. Get it right he’s not a murder he’s a punisher
@thothtrismegistus4865
Жыл бұрын
Look I like the Punisher because, Anti-Hero. But I believe that this is more for justice more than anything. I'm a conservative realist, and I see the Punisher as a figure of true justice. Not the evil part of it. That's my opinion though! Liberal, or conservative, I dont care. Please be respectful and open minded to the ideas! All are appreciated! Good channel man! I like the more controversial type content so keep it up! But to add, the Punisher is both a good, and bad guy. These militaries, and police, look up to this character because of justice. Not the messed up part of it all!
@adisappointedfbiagent449
Жыл бұрын
I myself am a conservative but I’m also personally against police and military adopting the symbol of the Punisher. If anything they should adopt the symbol of Captain America. That’s the difference between a cop and a criminal. A cop has laws, rules, and standards. A criminal doesn’t. It’s why I advocate for private gun ownership across the country because the police aren’t doing their job properly enough.
@bobbyhall7472
Жыл бұрын
When a city interviews a new cop they should ask him what he or she thinks about using the punished logo.
@petertotten6479
3 жыл бұрын
Hey cav, I study politics at A-level at the minute and was wondering if you have ever done, or would consider doing work on Northern Ireland? As I think it would be interesting to see your POV on N.I as a member of the left. Thank you :)
@TheKavernacle
3 жыл бұрын
I am half-Irish and have alot of family involved in the og 1910's IRB/IRA - but I think the only video I have really made on Northern Ireland was this one about Brexit: kzitem.info/news/bejne/jmqt0m2umKybppg
@The_Poro_King
2 жыл бұрын
This video aged well
@TJtheHuman
2 жыл бұрын
If The Punisher and Batman were in the same movie would Batman kick his ass?
@ethanweeter2732
Жыл бұрын
No, I think Castle would win. He has less of a moral compass.
@TJtheHuman
Жыл бұрын
@@ethanweeter2732 I mean how would the writers handle it? Would they want to make it clear he is more of a villain?
@mechanomics2649
3 жыл бұрын
This shit would be hilariously cringy if it wasn't so sociopathic.
@bryanevans6527
3 жыл бұрын
Alot of US police were military and a military of military become police. It's something that sticks with you. Alot of law enforcement thinks of it as you'll be punished with jail and not killing because they are criminals.
@FreeCatCheese
3 жыл бұрын
I have a pet theory that soldiers have had a thing for The Punisher since the beginning of the Afghan War at least in part because of the Megadeath song "Holy Wars/The Punishment Due." The 1st section is about Terrorism and the 2nd is about The Punisher. Metal is a thing amongst white soldiers. But that's only a theory...
@SpaceBandit666
6 ай бұрын
Damn the amount of people in the comments who lack listening and comprehension skills is amazing
@Nozverah2
2 жыл бұрын
People don't want to admit it but the punisher represents true natural justice. The only issue is that there's no way to be certain who's guilty or wrongfully accused. The prison system is full of them & they're all impoverished, downtrodden & considered second class trash. If you don't have the money & social status to back up your innocence in court, you're as good as guilty. That being said, murderers, rapists & drug dealers should be brutally eliminated without remorse, especially for or by their victims themselves or their victims family & loved ones. It's natural justice.
@ethanweeter2732
Жыл бұрын
With some sort of due process though. We cannot kill them without some sort of due process.
@brucefitch195
3 жыл бұрын
First off: I really enjoyed you're analysis on this matter. I'm looking forward to seeing what other content you have. Second: I'm actually writing a review for the 2004 Punisher movie (and tragedy of our society's handling/ appropriation of his symbol that they REALLY don't understand) and your words have helped me a lot.
@hyperionofhyperness1883
Жыл бұрын
it is done?
@jeremiahpickens5048
2 жыл бұрын
I always been conservative and I still love The Punisher. The Punisher represents vigilante justice. Criminals fear him, rapist. murderers, pedophiles, gangbangers. And yes I read all the comics.
@heavymetalfan1167
2 жыл бұрын
You forgot to mention the Punisher enjoys killing
@astastaria2708
6 ай бұрын
Holy shit thought you where post malone for a minute
@muchostacos67
3 жыл бұрын
Lol, punisher skull to a confederate flag. What is everyone on?
@smoshfan103
3 жыл бұрын
we are on FREEDOM brother, not like those mask wearin sheeps who want vegan communism in our childrens classes (joking)
@muchostacos67
3 жыл бұрын
@@smoshfan103 🤣🤣🤣
@MrShoebox21
3 жыл бұрын
Especially because Frank isn't white...well. Not white as the Confederate DOuchebags would define him. His real name is Francis Castiglione (Later legally changed to Frank Castle) and he's Sicilian-American.
@fawful7457
3 жыл бұрын
There might be an alternate universe where cops and conservatives use the Daredevil logo.
@mannymale5455
3 жыл бұрын
Wait, how is the Matrix symbolic for being transgender? 🤨
@TheKavernacle
3 жыл бұрын
The directors - who are trans - said it was www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-53692435
@vasilijrappana2335
11 ай бұрын
I’ve been his fan during my “teenage edge lord” phase. Not so much anymore, but I still like him.
@Melvinshermen
Жыл бұрын
I found video odd, because two of most famous writer for the punisher are conservaite. Ok chuck Dixon is conservaite I think Mike baron might be not in 90s. But like now because he is pro cop. He is fine the police useing the punisher as logo or something
@rahulroy9310
3 жыл бұрын
Too bad Contrapoints made a similiar to yours but good vid overall
@rickardkaufman3988
3 жыл бұрын
So did Jose.
@mechanomics2649
3 жыл бұрын
Can only one person cover a topic to the exclusion of everyone else?
@redleaderantilles1263
3 жыл бұрын
Conway is a legend. Here is his first letter's page intro for Ms. Marvel issue 1 4.bp.blogspot.com/-dTIMlfV0S-c/USwX7xwIrPI/AAAAAAAAMAQ/O1LGj5bGsls/s1600/MsMarvel10011.jpg incredibly good view on creating diverse characters while women and minorities are ostracized in terms of being hired in the industry.
@Melvinshermen
Жыл бұрын
Wait a minture is chuck Dixon and Mike baron Both conservaite Two of the best pre garth ennis punisher writer of all time, is there right wing conservaite.
@BigBox609
3 жыл бұрын
Page 56
@redpilledpatriot6868
3 жыл бұрын
We like the punisher because he kills thugs.🤣
@dwellerinblack7816
2 жыл бұрын
Admitting you have a shallow understanding of a character is not a win.
@baileyjones4866
3 жыл бұрын
I back the blue 🔵🔵🔵🔵🔵
@dwellerinblack7816
2 жыл бұрын
Smurfs lives matter
@dablackangel
2 жыл бұрын
For the algorithm 👍🏾
@grim6980
3 жыл бұрын
You completely lost me when you claimed Kyle Rittenhouse traveled to kill protestors. That shows that you are either incredibly ill-informed or so biased that you deny the facts for an agenda. What I agree with you on is that the police have no business displaying a punisher logo not so much for the military because they just like anything that projects badassery. If the skull and crossbones was not a clear pirate symbol they would wear it. In fact, they have a lot of variations on that theme. Skull and crossed swords, daggers, M-16s, rockets, cannon rounds. Lots and lots of skull themes.
@TheMadLeprechaun
2 жыл бұрын
They of course turn a blind eye to the other protesters who took their own guns and shot at the police long before Rittenhouse got there.
@BenDover-dl2pl
Жыл бұрын
you're delusional. there's no agenda. kyle rttenhouse is a murderer who the punisher would gladly punish. you completely missed the point of the video pointing out the irony of idiots like kyle using the symbol.
@grim6980
Жыл бұрын
@@BenDover-dl2pl That is one way of saying you are completly dependant on the media to tell you what to think.
@Ma_ksi
3 жыл бұрын
Hi gamers
@torcaace
3 жыл бұрын
Hello fellow ancom gamer
@Ligmatesti
3 жыл бұрын
Its still a good show tho
@MrJtuns
3 жыл бұрын
I have lots of liberal friends that love the punisher. You make videos of ppl being toxic gamers regarding talking about SJWs and making toxic politics up. But in this video your finding your own politics in the punisher. I sense hypocrisy
@andrewblythe3896
3 жыл бұрын
Dont disrespect chris Kyle like that man, I agree with the video but the guy was a war here, I believe that it was a SEAL team 3 tradition to spray paint the punisher symbol onto walls and stuff, like I say, I'm no conservative but you were pretty disrespectful towards the military
@TheKavernacle
3 жыл бұрын
He’s was a coward and scumbag - and fuck the US military what should I respect? Drone striking civilians or using uranium coated rounds in Iraq, leaving them behind and giving thousands of Iraqis cancer from the radiation?
@andrewblythe3896
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheKavernacle A coward doesnt put himself in the firing line for what he believes is good, chris did that, does that make him right? Not necessarily but he did what he believed was for the best. dont respect the higher ups, respect the men and women who sign up believing they are doing something good, respect the men and women who put themselves in danger to provide for their families, I liked a lot of your videos and I agree with your politics mostly but that man did more for his country than either of us ever will, no disrespect to you but it's as narrow minded to believe that the military is all bad as it is to believe it's all good, people like chris have done a lot for you and me, that deserves recognition and respect, what's your opinion on the british military? Northern Ireland? the Falklands?
@andrewblythe3896
3 жыл бұрын
@Otto Rocket Excuse me? How does my logic imply that KKK members are heroes? How is saying that military members arent bad people the same as saying the Klan is full of heroes? That's a pathetic argument that doesnt make any sense whatsoever
@andrewblythe3896
3 жыл бұрын
@Otto Rocket no, according to my logic anyone who puts themself in danger for what they believe him has courage, as in, the deffinition of the word courage, never said courage correlates to heroism, try again
@andrewblythe3896
3 жыл бұрын
@Otto Rocket you clearly didnt read my previous comment so I'll break it down for you courage has no correlation to heroism bad people can obviously be courageous and bad people dont see themselves as bad, doesnt make them a hero
@chasemccarty3952
3 жыл бұрын
You can adopt aspects of a character while not adopting aspects of the character at the same time. The punisher represents the idea that the justice system doesn’t work like it should and we feel like we should take matters into our own hands. You can like a character and what he represents without agreeing with everything he does. And this video is filled with so much brainwashed knowledge painting conservatives as neo nazis it’s gross. Step out of your echo chambers
@BenDover-dl2pl
Жыл бұрын
youre a nazi
@rob-8541
3 жыл бұрын
You should probably do your research on cases before ignorantly opening your mouth about them. Kyle, was attacked by a MOB which he defended himself from. In no way self defense murder. I couldnt imagine holding so much prejudices against people ive never met. Do you believe he is a murder because he is white, or because thats what far left media told you to believe? Has to be one or the other.
@TheKavernacle
3 жыл бұрын
He is a murderer and if you haven’t noticed - I am also white...
@rob-8541
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheKavernacle many white people are anti-white. Murder, is unjustified homicide. He acted in self defence. Not very bright are you? Again. You should do your research before ignorantly opening your mouth.
@ai_serf
3 жыл бұрын
going across states lines, arming your self, and killing two unarmed people isn't self defense. there's a reason lone police officers don't enter a riot. it will 100% esculate a riot to murder. kyle was a lone wolf, who fought the mob. he entered the mob. the mob wasn't breaking into his property. and even if they did. property can be replaced, human life can't.
@rob-8541
3 жыл бұрын
@@ai_serf no one that kyle shot was unarmed
@BenDover-dl2pl
Жыл бұрын
Have you met kyle? No? You're delusional. There's no agenda. kyle rttenhouse is a murderer who the punisher would gladly punish. you completely missed the point of the video pointing out the irony of idiots like kyle using the symbol.
@Lobos222
3 жыл бұрын
This is similar to conservatives who think Superman is a conservative because they are and they like Superman. Its pretty much that if Superman was liberal to them, which he is, but they dont feel it. They would view him as a threat and that is why they never break that reality wall. LoL
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