There's an old saying Aron " arguing with an intelligent person is difficult but arguing with a fool is impossible!"
@signwriter1
5 жыл бұрын
@geheimschriver 'A little knowledge is a dangerous thing' Alexander Pope (1688 - 1744).
@kierananthony25
4 жыл бұрын
Sexy quote!
@lukemighty4063
3 жыл бұрын
You can’t reason someone out of something that they weren’t reasoned into.
@blackhat4206
3 жыл бұрын
I can’t tell with this guy if he is truly foolish, or just a dishonest interlocutor arguing in bad faith. Seems more like the latter.
@jordanmoore3984
5 ай бұрын
But a discussion with someone honest is relatively easy
@MrWhateverfits
5 жыл бұрын
Aron : "Faith is not based on empirical evidence." Eric: "You can't base faith on empirical evidence." Aron: "That what I just said." Eric; "Nope."
@antediluvianatheist5262
5 жыл бұрын
@@moderncaleb3923 Without evidence. So the OP is right.
@davidh5020
5 жыл бұрын
Eric doesn't have an argument, he is just being contrary.
@antediluvianatheist5262
5 жыл бұрын
@@moderncaleb3923 Faith is not based on evidence. That's what the word means. If you have evidence, you don't need faith. You own bible says this. so now I, Aron, and the bible all say you are wrong.
@davidh5020
5 жыл бұрын
@@moderncaleb3923 do you English?
@antediluvianatheist5262
5 жыл бұрын
@@moderncaleb3923 Look how far you have to retreat. So now the bible is translated incorrectly? Here's the thing: it doesn't matter. Because faith as 'believe without evidence?' That's what the churches are using. Because they have no evidence.
@Nananki
4 жыл бұрын
Eric's confidence drastically exceeds his competence.
@MovieMakingMan
2 жыл бұрын
He’s like a rabbit piloting a 747.
@blondequijote
Жыл бұрын
Religion is a hell of a drug. Recovering druggies even use it because it really can give more false confidence than getting drunk or high.
@jasonradcliff2035
Жыл бұрын
He probably had recently found out that he passed his junco philosophy class
@Minoltalphafan
7 ай бұрын
Dunning Kruger in full effect.
@jeffmaehre7150
4 ай бұрын
@@jasonradcliff2035 That's why education can be problematic when it over-emphasizes the memorization of terms like "begging the question," "argument ad populum," etc. When I've taught these concepts, I emphasize their application not their names and definitions. Otherwise, you get tools like Herno who throw around terms without being to apply them.
@SouthernMenace
5 жыл бұрын
The "what is a theologian" bit is hysterical. The guy sidesteps so much he now legally qualifies as a crab.
@andrewcohon669
5 жыл бұрын
haaa
@andythomas4998
5 жыл бұрын
Crabs everywhere are insulted!
@rlwemm
5 жыл бұрын
That is so funny, Mareclo, that I quoted you (and explained the context) on my Facebook page today.
@DimTavis1
5 жыл бұрын
This is great!
@DimTavis1
5 жыл бұрын
He also has a second job as a projector at a movie theater.
@Dustflyer1
5 жыл бұрын
This guy Eric is a total condesending jerk,and this circular argument drives me crazy. Good job Aron Ra.
@adpop750
2 жыл бұрын
Everything said goes over Eric's head, but he is strongly convinced he's right. I never seen a less intelligent and more arrogant person.
@blondequijote
Жыл бұрын
This is a masterclass in Christian deflection. Its like he's playing pin the fallacy on the atheist just blindly guessing what fallacy could make sense.
@patricklatham3897
9 ай бұрын
Oh, there are plenty of people just as arrogant. Of course, most of them call "The Line", "AXP", or other shows like it and do a poor job of defending faith.
@danwhite1198
7 ай бұрын
Do you know who Kent Hovind is?
@jeffmaehre7150
4 ай бұрын
@@danwhite1198 Good one. I'm going to have to spend a lot of time considering which one has the more damning arrogance: ignorance ratio.
@theparadigm8149
3 ай бұрын
Maybe Eric isn’t intelligence, but when it comes to arrogance? Aron Ra takes the cake on arrogance, or maybe Matt Dilahunty
@artenroyal10
5 жыл бұрын
Eric: What do you mean by objectively verifiable? Aron: *Starts answering* Eric: What do you mean by objectively verifiable? Aron: *Tries to continue answering and gives some example* Eric: WHAT DO YOU MEA- Me: *Almost hit the screen*
@someguyO2W
5 жыл бұрын
I think we can objectively verify that he's an idiot.
@Sciguy95
5 жыл бұрын
And every time Aron clarifies something he said to make sure he understands him correctly he tells Aron to only ask him questions.
@susanmanning773
4 жыл бұрын
Arten Rothzild- eric is so condescending . what an IDIOT!!
@JoeHarkinsHimself
4 жыл бұрын
He is maddening, but there is a simple, stress-free way to deal with it. When he asks, fake-disingenuously - "what do you mean by verifiable evidence?"- just tell him to supply any evidence at all and then ask him, how do we verify that? Word game over.
@hys1171
4 жыл бұрын
Its funny listening to him explain his question when he nothing to say or cant make a point
@luisjavierkanchi6872
5 жыл бұрын
The thing that hurts Eric the most is the fact that Aron has dealt with people like him all of his life, but Eric is convinced he is special in some way.
@HarryNicNicholas
3 жыл бұрын
theists are special - needs.
@c.guydubois8270
3 жыл бұрын
🎶 special so special 🎶Me, me, me,me...🎶
@badgerbush3556
3 жыл бұрын
Bang on point ☝️ He self inflated sense of superiority despite his obvious lack of understanding is tragic.
@wyett123
Жыл бұрын
Oh he's "special" alright
@drg8687
4 жыл бұрын
Eric: "Stop listening to what believers tell you!" Ok, Eric. Bye.
@barbaraannen8126
3 жыл бұрын
I thought the same thing.
@elujinpk
3 жыл бұрын
LMAO 🤣😂 awesome
@NitpickingNerd
5 жыл бұрын
"you're making assertions" "you're not tracking" "you're going on a rant" "you're being defensive" "you're reading a script" "you're jumping all over the place" "you lied when you said 20 years instead of 19 years so you're a dishonest person"
@wau-l9
4 жыл бұрын
I need 18 more of these for an Eric Hernandez bingo.
@TAB59101
3 жыл бұрын
Oh my! Eric, you have got a might big quiver of accusations.
@NitpickingNerd
3 жыл бұрын
@Youra Beyta alternative facts
@kickytink
3 жыл бұрын
A pure FUCKWIT
@blackhat4206
3 жыл бұрын
This Hernandez guy comes off as an exceptionally dishonest apologist.
@laurajarrell6187
5 жыл бұрын
Aron, thankyou for going through this! This Hernandez is wrong in so many ways. Dan Barker is both a theologian, speaks both ancient (coine)Greek and Hebrew, and has studied the bible. And this smug guy thinks he's right on everything, damn I'm so sick saying this, but again, he is another Dunning - Kruger sufferer. 👍💝✌😘
@ambushbob5383
5 жыл бұрын
But Eric disagrees so he must be right. 🤣👌
@jfphotography69
5 жыл бұрын
He sounds like someone I was having a conversation with a few days ago, the mental gymnastics by the religious fundamentalists is getting old. To them fantasy is reality.
@frankwhelan1715
5 жыл бұрын
@@ambushbob5383 The cat talks more sense.
@sweetbymia5317
3 жыл бұрын
Aron literally took one for the team! 🤣
@kierananthony25
3 жыл бұрын
Eric: "Give me an example of an animal." Aron: "You can find millions of examples of animals, from dogs, to...." Eric: "You're not talking to a dog, you're talking to me." Douche bag of the year: Eric Hernandez!
@davidharrison8753
5 жыл бұрын
This poor guy actually believes he's being brilliant and expounding brilliantly. He's NOT!
@mylucidadventures6540
5 жыл бұрын
I'm thinking your talking about Erik? I don't know you could be talking about ether bit Aron definetly is trying to show him where he's being really stupid
@MisterRorschach90
5 жыл бұрын
It could only be Eric. He’s an idiot.
@bbi1965
5 жыл бұрын
@@MisterRorschach90 I wish KZitem had a way to block individuals. Hernandez would be the first one I'd block. He says nothing that is worth hearing.
@BestAnimeFreak
5 жыл бұрын
@@bbi1965 But you can block them ... you go to their profile page and block them ... Okay, I looked it up and it seems like that was disabled somehow ... I'm 100% sure that I did block some people in the past though =O
@bdf2718
5 жыл бұрын
He's like a cheap clone of Ben Shapiro. Except he can't do the Alvin Chipmunk voice as well as Ben can.
@geuwglesuxballz6074
5 жыл бұрын
I got kind of pissed off when the guy lied for about the 84th time, and objected to Aron saying something that he did not say.
@MendTheWorld
5 жыл бұрын
GeuwgleSuxBallz It did get tiresome after a while. He was laser focused on trying to show that AronRa was being inconsistent in his arguments, even if that required being inconsistent in his arguments. It was just an argument about arguments about arguments in infinite regress. Much Ado About Nothing.
@geuwglesuxballz6074
5 жыл бұрын
@@MendTheWorld Yup.
@ThermaL-ty7bw
5 жыл бұрын
welcome to christianity , have a sit down , open a beer and enjoy the nonsense
@lucifers.morningstar3805
5 жыл бұрын
So 10 minutes into the video?
@patrickmcardle952
5 жыл бұрын
@@ThermaL-ty7bw This is true of humanity in general, in that all of us are to some extent a slave to our own biases and preferred views. Singling out christianity gives a telling insight into your own personal bias
@DavidKennedy5250
4 жыл бұрын
Eric: “If there were a soul, would it be physical?” Does he not realize how ridiculous it is to ask that? How can you ask someone about the properties of an imaginary(at least no evidence of)concept and actually expect an answer? This shows you the background Eric comes from. Very outmatched when it comes to defending his beliefs but indoctrinated enough to not see howl foolish he sounds.
@zemorph42
2 жыл бұрын
I once saw a preacher who had a unique definition of the word "soul," which he claimed was different from the spirit. His definition is completely compatible with a physical understanding of consciousness; Mind, Will and emotions. Nothing of this has to be nonphysical.
@mjblcmichael
Жыл бұрын
@@zemorph42And you probably can't tell us what he said, right? Can you summarize at least?
@zemorph42
Жыл бұрын
@@mjblcmichael Umm, I did. He believes that the soul is composed of the mind, will and emotions, and that it's separate from the spirit, which moves on to the next stage, whatever that means, while the soul, which contains the ego and personality, doesn't. I don't remember what he thinks happens to the soul after death, though.
@zemorph42
Жыл бұрын
@@mjblcmichael He was a guest speaker at my former church in the late 1990s, I only remember that one time and it's a faded memory, so take it for what it's worth.
@Unhandled_Exception
5 жыл бұрын
Apparently Eric Hernadez thought this debate was all about him.
@erict7093
3 жыл бұрын
Haha....Exactly. He tried so hard to separate himself from his groups belief as if he is different. What was up with him asking questions that misrepresent statements of Aaron? Haha...Aaron is too smart for foolish trickery.
@inyobill
3 жыл бұрын
As is standard.
@jerryking45
2 жыл бұрын
I think he's related to Angel Hernandez, everyone's favorite self-aggrandizing mlb umpire!
@kaziras342
5 жыл бұрын
How do you keep doing this? You would get more sense out of the parrot in the background. You deserve a medal.
@nonamesupplied1875
5 жыл бұрын
"Aaron..... AAAArrrrooonnnnnn...... Aaron?"
@dbrownss1480
4 жыл бұрын
Eric's defense is "that's not my interpretation, ask me mine". It's his make believe that counts 🙄
@shreddherring
5 жыл бұрын
This isnt a debate, its simply eric refusing to listen to a single answer, talking over aron, repeating the same questions, and accusing aron of interrupting him, over and over. Aron's patience deserves a drink!
@Epeefencer34
5 жыл бұрын
Eric would literally say something, Aron would repeat it verbatim (because he often does this when speaking), and Eric would deny ever saying it. I have no idea how you can have a conversation with a person like this.
@sophonax661
5 жыл бұрын
More than one drink! And after listening to this I might need one too :P Cheers
@jordancox8294
5 жыл бұрын
Aron ra is patient?? God you people are sheep.
@shreddherring
5 жыл бұрын
We're sheep for making a valid observation? Watch the video lol
@neonshadow5005
5 жыл бұрын
@@jordancox8294 The hell does this statement mean?
@dougcasey6117
5 жыл бұрын
“Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain AronRa gave it a championship level effort and even I dare say won at the price of this awful headache I now have.
@michaelcrean1456
5 жыл бұрын
Aronra I think they drag them down below their level. AronRa should fight him on his level to beat him.
@Nemesis1ism
5 жыл бұрын
No you have the bar set way to low. Here is championship performance.kzitem.info/news/bejne/2a2qypyNpaaEfJw
@rookmaster7502
5 жыл бұрын
There is no evidence that Mark Twain ever said or wrote that quote. In fact, the quote appears in Proverbs 26:4, long before Twain lived.
@michaelcrean1456
5 жыл бұрын
@@rookmaster7502 Evidence MARK TWAIN IS GOD!! OMG This is AMAZING!
@dougcasey6117
5 жыл бұрын
@@rookmaster7502 Then you're an idiot if you think that, try google dimwit!... Who wrote proverbs, oh no one knows. No not exactly the same > Proverbs 26:4-5 King James Version (KJV) 4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit. See I know how to google : )
@tucsonorganist
3 жыл бұрын
Eric continuously reminds me of the statement: "It depends on what your definition of is is."
@AngelSanchez-dw4gs
Жыл бұрын
Yes an you got that from our beloved Bill Clinton. A master wordsmith correct me if I'm wrong.
Wow. This was incredibly difficult to listen to. Eric comes across as incredibly arrogant and condescending.
@PariahQuail
5 жыл бұрын
Digital Hammurabi Never been exposed to this particular cross bearing weasel before. They all have a few common characteristics- Huge egos rude and selectively deaf. I admire Aron for tolerating these people for my own selfish entertainment.
@thewakingreality3874
5 жыл бұрын
Yep, he’s an asshole. Just say’n
@theveganwujeeta
5 жыл бұрын
Hey, Dr. Josh.
@mikaelium192
5 жыл бұрын
honestly Im a christian and I think this discussion was really bad, Aron kept been agressive
@justdata3650
5 жыл бұрын
You said what I was thinking Dr. Josh (I'm a fan by the way). I stopped 30 mins. in just to take a breather.
@captaink5217
5 жыл бұрын
I can’t understand why this Eric character acts confident when he literally has nothing.
@Angelmou
5 жыл бұрын
He has his attacks and when asked back he switches the topic by a question and when Arons answers the question (when not interrupted) Eric: "Why can't you stay on topic?" (while just answered the (offtopic question).
@chrisbrooks4032
5 жыл бұрын
It's easy to understand. He's stupid. Idiots typically think they're brilliant.
@lloydevans2900
5 жыл бұрын
Because when you have nothing to back up your position, expressing false confidence is all you can do. It takes a combination of bravado and almost unlimited arrogance, and it helps if you have a really grating enunciation. That or just shouting constantly, which preachers tend to do.
@wesleymiddleton1401
4 жыл бұрын
That's why he is confident cause he is vacuous in his argument. Dunning Kruger.
@richardpowell4281
3 жыл бұрын
Because like many pseudointellectuals he has already decided he's right, he's not on a search for the truth. He's just memorized a bunch of talking points and rather than listening he's just waiting for his turn to talk, and he doesn't know how to address things that aren't on his script. So he just continues with the script. It's like an actor that doesn't freak out on stage when someone flubs a line, they just keep going because all they care about is progressing the narrative.
@nild9002
3 жыл бұрын
Arons parrot calling for him throughout this is so insanely funny
@Fedsmoker666
3 жыл бұрын
I kept waiting for him to answer back to whoever it was, and it was driving me crazy! Lmao, god damn. That explains a lot.
@Chez114
3 жыл бұрын
Oh it's a parrot 🤣🤣🤣 God, I was so annoyed when I thought it was Aron's wife or mom. I kept wondering when is this woman going to give up calling him if he hasn't responded after the 20th time!!! 🤯
@Ro-Ghost
Жыл бұрын
The parrot would be more intelligent than the guy he was debating
@BaronVonQuiply
Жыл бұрын
About two weeks ago (mid Sept '23) Aron was on a stream and was interrupted by loud barking. He yelled _"Oh will you shut up?!?"_ and then excused himself before coming back a few seconds later with a parrot, thus making him a national treasure in my mind.
@sca8217
4 ай бұрын
It was his senile grandma calling from her sickbed , but evil satanista Aaron chose instead to debate an idiot.
@iankenyon5892
5 жыл бұрын
A wise man once said:That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
@killianwoods3892
5 жыл бұрын
Nic B ohhhh crap i thought it was mitchell’s razor
@camdon5112
5 жыл бұрын
@@killianwoods3892 fuck I thought it was Gillette's Razor -facepalm- I've been wrong all aong
@sfamerken12
5 жыл бұрын
@Nic B He kinda reworded it from Carl Sagan tho, but made it more acurate and unable to weasel out of. (For completion Sagan's Razor: Extraordinairy claims require extraordinairy evidence.)
@cloudatlas349
5 жыл бұрын
When the wise man points to the moon, the fool looks at his finger. Seems like a good metaphor here too: aron pointing at the moon and Eric saying: " but it's NOT made of rock. NO, it DOESN'T reflect light! it's attached to the end of your arm...."
@55Quirll
5 жыл бұрын
@@cloudatlas349 Sounds like the opening to Enter the Dragon with Bruce Lee and a young Sammo Hung where Bruce is trying to teach Sammo something. The difference is Sammo was trying to learn in the movie, here Eric isn't.
@lucifers.morningstar3805
5 жыл бұрын
AronRa *1+1=2* Eric *what does that mean?/so what you're saying is (something AronRa did not say)*
@GeorgevanderWesthuizen1
5 жыл бұрын
Do you have imperial evidence for that!? 😋
@theomnidegenerate5236
5 жыл бұрын
George van der Westhuizen can I shiv you? just a little......please.....just the tip...I promise.
@michaelbernard9450
5 жыл бұрын
"Can you name a scholar who agrees with that assertion?" "Sure joe shmoe" "sorry what?" "Joe shmoe agrees, he said it in his book." "No, I don't remember it being in his book." "Okay I'll look at that." "What does pistis mean?" "Can you let me find the quote you think I am lying about." "You're bouncing all over the place."
@robertw2930
5 жыл бұрын
AH, The Cathy Newman defense.
@hellfirdragon17
5 жыл бұрын
@NewtonDynamics So happy Aron called him out on the solipsism early on.
@curiouswanderer7187
4 жыл бұрын
Eric: "Do you have Empirical evidence that Empirical evidence is the only evidence?" Wtf...
@JayJay-two
2 жыл бұрын
WTF WTF WTF What a moron this Eric thingy is.🤯
@fallingfloor6924
5 жыл бұрын
Eric does what my friend does. Moves the goal post from "well this is what I believe" to "this is what we believe" back to "what I believe" Eric, you can't hop around when it becomes inconvenient. You either are debating the Christian perspective or your own, not both as needed.
@Gfish17
5 жыл бұрын
Why not both as needed? Thats how I would debate for Sceptisism.
@ultrademigod
5 жыл бұрын
@@Gfish17 He is either defending his personal beliefs or the generally understood beliefs of his faith, it can't be both, if they are not the same. He wont pick one though, because it's a get out of jail free card. If one is shown to be wrong he can quickly pivot to the other and say "that's not what I believe" or "that's not what the bible says" meaning his beliefs cannot be shown to be wrong.
@inkdreaper874
5 жыл бұрын
@@Gfish17 that's because you're an ignorant twat, that has no value for evidence and truth.
@MrWhateverfits
5 жыл бұрын
"Dan Barker received a degree in religion from Azusa Pacific University and was ordained to the ministry by the Standard Community Church, California, in 1975." So by Erics definition Dan Barker is in fact a Theologian.
@TheRealCybermaze
5 жыл бұрын
Well, Eric Hernandez is clearly not interested in truth anyways, so what does it matter?
@kevinshort3943
5 жыл бұрын
@@TheRealCybermaze Yep. He was only interested in pointing out "faults", and had zero interest in anything else.
@Scarletpooky
5 жыл бұрын
Even without that he's still a theologian because of the second definition that Eric dishonestly ignored despite being told multiple times.
@patrickmcardle952
5 жыл бұрын
I still find myself taking issue with the fact that in arons "Theism is irrational" video he refers to Barker as a Reverend when citing him as a theologian even though he was quoting from a book where Barker was documenting his journey to atheism that was released 8 years after he'd publicly announced that he'd become an atheist, which comes off to me as being intentional dishonesty on his part no matter how you look at it
@Talenel
5 жыл бұрын
What are you talking about? Having a degree in theology doesn't make you a theologian. The only way to be a theologian is to completely agree with all of the dreck spouting from Eric's mouth, clearly.
@erneststyczen7071
2 жыл бұрын
"Is pain physical?" The answer should be: "Do you know what a painkiller is?"
@Cognitoman
11 ай бұрын
😂 lol that would have been awesome
@jonathanfox2664
5 жыл бұрын
OMFG my head hurt after listening to that Eric character.
@PigRipperLAW
5 жыл бұрын
1:09:00 boils down to “hahaha you couldn’t remember this obscure name related to the concept you’re talking about, therefore you don’t know anything and I know I’m right because faith.” 🤦🏽♂️ ❤️ reason and science 🧬
@scorp10fl53
4 жыл бұрын
Each time I hear Aaron discuss/debate I am truly amazed he can keep his patience as long as he does. Even more amazing are the number of Dolts who entertain the idea of engaging him in the first place. Geez.. this guy makes my head explode.
@BaronVonQuiply
Жыл бұрын
They're equipped with The Armor Of God, and thus have no need to take a peek at who Aron is or what he knows as they have the raw power of the architect of the universe behind them. Shame it doesn't actually work.
@jeksol
5 жыл бұрын
I don't get this guy. Is he part of an individual religion that only includes him? Wtf?
@juliusmatijosius2219
5 жыл бұрын
Knowing how this century is going so far, this scenario is actually quite plausible
@RickReasonnz
5 жыл бұрын
"You're talking to ME!"
@hatzikuN
5 жыл бұрын
Look up "Creating God in one's image" and you will understand why this is the case.
@davidfrisken1617
5 жыл бұрын
He claims he is the only true christian.
@rafeverao4105
5 жыл бұрын
@@RickReasonnz "Ask *ME* what *I* believe!"
@Dan_C604
5 жыл бұрын
Eric maybe sounds smart to his followers, but to us, rational minded people, he sounds like the typical believer who is twisting everything to his benefit, dishonest and tricky. No, Eric, you don’t even get the very basics that Aron is saying. What a goon.
@PumpkinRow
2 жыл бұрын
"You're not tracking, here."-The man not tracking
@DaisyKmua
5 жыл бұрын
Even Aron's parrot is like GUY STAHP, i can't XD
@19822andy
3 жыл бұрын
I actually thought that was his wife constantly nagging him shouting "Aron" for about 20 minutes until I realised it was his parrot! It drove me insane up until that point.
@janinepotts5087
2 жыл бұрын
I was driving while listening to part of this when the bird screamed I almost wrecked. 😆
@movieklump
5 жыл бұрын
I think Eric is Ben Shapiro's ventriloquist dummy.
@joelsloane2033
5 жыл бұрын
With one piece of shit horrible hair do. Lol
@josiatokirina1788
4 жыл бұрын
The last time I talked to a person with the closed-minded arrogance of Eric, I looked them in the eyes and said, "What?!", then laughed and walked away. There is no reasoning with unreasonable people.
@sivaones
5 жыл бұрын
Me: “Finish up. It’s a quarter to 6.” My child: “No, it’s 5:43.” This dude doesn’t understand rounding for convenience. He’s mad annoying to boot.
@chrisbrooks4032
5 жыл бұрын
"Why would I be offended? If you wanna talk to yourself on my behalf, go right ahead." LMAO I love it!
@Pooknottin
Жыл бұрын
As someone who was recently converted to the Norse faith by a christian apologist, I like to offer them a sacrifice when they say they're going to pray for me.
@ChrissonatorOFL
Жыл бұрын
Man, Aron, you have a level of patience I could never have.
@theldun1
5 жыл бұрын
Faith is nothing more than hoping your right about something you have no factual proof about.
@luigirossi835
5 жыл бұрын
@ the Turin Shroud? Oh fucking Jesus, you must be kidding!
@tikatowowplayer
5 жыл бұрын
@ the shroud is a known forgery
5 жыл бұрын
@@tikatowowplayer Bullshit. Check your facts. People like you really piss me off when you say bullshit like that. You are intellectually fucking lazy. Those scientific samples were tainted and this is admitted to. Too many unexplained scientific aspects to the shroud to write it off as a forgery. Like, how the fuck would you fake a photographic negative in the 1300s? Let alone get pollen unique to the middle east and impregnate a European cloth with it.
@frankwhelan1715
5 жыл бұрын
@@luigirossi835 Miracle of the sun? O f J,us he must be kidding!
@rexusthevaliant6311
5 жыл бұрын
@ Shroud was dated by several sourced in several different ways to not be around the time of Christ as well as it being reproduced in modern times. Also forensic tests determining blood would not have pooled on the shroud in the way the body was placed on it. So some inconsistency there. Now, even if the shroud were proven to be the burial cloth of Jesus Christ what exactly would that prove? There are many many many historical facts in the bible, its the supernatural otherworldly facts that need some type of proof. I believe Jesus did exists as there are other scriptures outside the bible that point to him but lets prove he came back to life or performed miracles and beyond that is the son of god.
@James-oo1yq
5 жыл бұрын
Sky Fairy worshipper down....I repeat Sky Fairy worshipper down! Another one chalked up for Red Baron Aron 👍🏻
@voxbox697
5 жыл бұрын
This made me chuckle, I thank you.
@sheezamann2724
5 жыл бұрын
another one bites the dust?
@andythomas4998
5 жыл бұрын
I almost remember my Snoopy Red Baron record. good grief. 😐
@scottsmith2235
3 жыл бұрын
If I was still a Christian, I would be so embarrassed for Eric. All he knows how to do is dodge every issue and only spout his magical beliefs. I’m glad I got saved from religion.
@Grabovsky85
5 жыл бұрын
Eric never acknowledged a single point from Aron. He just moved on to another talking point to distract from the the fact of him getting every argument debunked.
@davidh5020
5 жыл бұрын
This guy debated Matt Dillahunty...... and of course lost real bad...
@Yeiyn343
5 жыл бұрын
@@moderncaleb3923 He probably lost because of having no evidence for a deity.
@rikidepear
5 жыл бұрын
Kendall A and he’s a dualist 🙄😂
@rentiap
5 жыл бұрын
@Nic B Yes, you just described every idiot god bother-er out there.
@falsebeliever8079
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for telling me! I will check that next.
@LogicAndReason2025
5 жыл бұрын
@@moderncaleb3923 TROLL WARNING!
@adrenochrome_slurper
4 жыл бұрын
"Two things are infinite: the universe and Eric Hernandez' stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." Albert Einstein
@chimpanzeethat3802
5 жыл бұрын
Until this video I thought that Eric was reasonably intelligent. Now I know that he's not.
@cookienibz2578
5 жыл бұрын
Holy F*** if poor Aron had to explain what "objectively verifiable" meant ONE MORE TIME, I was going to throw my phone across the room. Omg.
@tylerx8848
5 жыл бұрын
FACTS!!!!!!!! this is objectively verifiable data!!!!!
@susanmanning773
4 жыл бұрын
"Thats why i wanted a moderator- you keep interrupting me" "yes or no. Yes or no??"
@Juniversal
3 жыл бұрын
Eric is so bad faith it's insane. He won't concede a single point. He's so full of shit. He won't even acknowledge the accuracy of a dictionary definition! Aron: **repeatedly gives dictionary definition of objectively verifiable** Eric: "I don't agree with your definitions." **after asking 50 times to define the word** Wanted to blow my brains out after hearing this "debate".
@zemorph42
2 жыл бұрын
@@Juniversal He's so delusional, he thought that the viewers would agree with him about what Aron did and said.
@chrisccc22
Жыл бұрын
LOL He said it was unverifiable to detect if someone is in pain. How the hell did painkillers become so effective? A surgeon put a fentanyl patch on me and cut me open while awake. I didn't feel a thing.
@paulirving2012
4 жыл бұрын
Very well done Aron for keeping your cool with this closed minded Boy, he is very very irritating
@SuperOogityboogity
5 жыл бұрын
Getting a real Ben Shapiro vibe from Eric. :(
@ethanlee8621
4 жыл бұрын
Especially from his high pitched pre-pubescent boy voice.
@timo5601
5 жыл бұрын
Eric’s goal was to attack Aron’s intelligence and credibility not defend his own assertion. Claimed Aron misrepresented his position but wouldn’t reveal his actual position. Claimed category fallacy about metaphysics but didn’t offer a method to measure or verify.
@hplc123456
5 жыл бұрын
They are just like slithering snakes and scorpions the bible itself talks about, love that they manage to pretend their behaviour doesnt match that of their antichrist
@chrishamberg8028
2 жыл бұрын
1:19:24 The religious advocate is calling into question the veracity of the burden of proof fallacy. His challenge can be dismissed by appealing to this basic rule of logic. Which is an alias for the null hypothesis rule from statistics. It is a well established, well justified, and unambiguously defined fundamental rule in secular reasoning: baseless conclusions can be dismissed on the grounds of being baseless.
@DeathMetalDougith
5 жыл бұрын
Eric: you're pretending to know things you don't know. 😐.......😂😂😂😂😂
@marissaatkins9899
3 жыл бұрын
Erik is the personification of irony, but what's even more ironic is that he doesn't know it🙄
@jarrodconnolly9834
5 жыл бұрын
This guy needs to comprehend that his entire religion is an assertion...
@broddr
5 жыл бұрын
So true. Whenever a Bible thumper starts quoting the Bible as 'evidence' and I point out that it's just a bundle of _claims_ not evidence, he/she just can't comprehend what I just said. Too much cognitive dissonance for them to consider the concept.
@ockhamsrazr1856
5 жыл бұрын
Exodus 3 : 14 shows God saying to Moses: "'I AM WHO I AM." It's the original unsubstantiated, circular assertion.
@mism847
3 жыл бұрын
@@broddr I’ve asked people for evidence of God, and they cite a verse for the Bible. I just facepalm.
@thomasrevere7916
5 ай бұрын
If faith isn't a way to know things, then it is indeed a belief in something without evidence.
@Cory_Springer
5 жыл бұрын
The Dunning-Kruger effect is strong with this one. And his projections are spot on. I'm glad I escaped the religious mindset. Cognitive dissonance is very uncomfortable! Mr. Hernandez can't even hear the words Aron says. His brain isn't letting him hear anything but definition-switcharoo word salad.
@bektastic2386
5 жыл бұрын
i was thinking the same thing. just wasn't sure how to say it.
@Lucius1958
5 жыл бұрын
I managed to get through 18 minutes of his circular arguments before I concluded, "Hang it up, kid: you're out of your league". It's like the Python sketch, only not as funny.
@torbjornlindberg3246
5 жыл бұрын
Aron, please. You DO rant. It's just that you do so on topic and very specifically.
@krpmills2736
5 жыл бұрын
Ironically Aron, you have the patience of a saint with this guy lmao
@carealoo744
5 жыл бұрын
29th Like (Almost 30!)!
@johnhall42
5 жыл бұрын
Sowing confusion and provoking frustration through pedantry and deflection.
@Tenno-Frame
3 жыл бұрын
Ben Shapiro vibes from this guy Eric...😒
@Vpkoivisto
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Eric's not listening at all. Just opens his mouth to deny or mislead from whatever Aron says, clearly just trying to get a reaction instead of trying to have an actual conversation. And apparently according to him, giving an answer other than just "yes" or "no" is ranting. :D So sad...
@Puchuchi747
5 жыл бұрын
Erik is waiting for his turn to speak. He doesnt listen
@satyasyasatyasya5746
5 жыл бұрын
The sophistry... oh, the sophistry... What a dishonest, distracting hack. The sinister debate tactics are literally dripping from my screen... (EDIT: tallking about Aron's opponent of course)
@Virtualblueart
3 жыл бұрын
Aron: "Have you watched the video?" Eric: "Yes I did!" Aron: "So you know it was in there" Eric "I can't remember!" Either Eric has a very poor memory or is a very bad lair who has used that little bluff and gotten away with it in the past.
@fred_derf
5 жыл бұрын
So, to sum up Eric's argument; you can't use reality to prove god, that's a category fallacy, because god is not real. Got it!
@rlwemm
5 жыл бұрын
The Category that he fails to acknowledge that his version of "god" fits into is "someone or something that acts on the matter or forces that make up the universe". If his version of god can create the universe or change and modify anything in it, in answer to prayer or for any other reason, then his version of god is testable by The Scientific Method because this method was built to test and detect anyone or anything that can change or modify the universe and anything in it. If Eric does not believe that his version of god can make changes in the universe then, yes, his version of god is not in a category open to scientific investigation. But if he DOES believe that his god, like the one described in all versions of The Bible, can make changes to matter, energy and physical forces then he is wrong: there is no Category Fallacy. He can't have it both ways. So, Eric, can your god act on things and forces and minds within the universe, or can't he? If he can't, then you are a Deist and your god cannot be detected or tested by the scientific method. If he can, then your god SHOULD be capable of detection by the scientific method, if he exists. So far, this active version of god has failed to be detected in every situation where it would be expected that he could be detected on the basis of sacred writings and the assertions of those who claim to "know" this god. On the basis of statistical mathematics that makes the actual existence of such a god increasingly improbable anywhere but in the vivid imaginations of human beings indoctrinated into the specific ideology relating to this Being.
@someguyO2W
5 жыл бұрын
Nice catch, I completely missed that. I was too busy being infuriated!
@stevenrivard9246
5 жыл бұрын
@@rlwemm You have some misunderstandings Rosemary. 1. God is Immaterial and is NOT a part of the material universe (No more than an architect or builder is physically part of a building). 2. Yes God can intervene into His creation when He chooses (Through miracles and His incarnation... Jesus). This is observable to people He chose to reveal Himself to throughout history, but don't expect it to be a regular occurrence. Why? Several reasons. If you'd like to know why, then let's start a discussion
@daveholmes5540
5 жыл бұрын
@@stevenrivard9246 yet an architect is a physical being that designed a physical object with physical tools that Was then built from physical materials. Try make that point when a building is designed and built by a ghost. Everything in the universe that interacts with physical matter leaves some some of detectable trace whether its visual, chemical, heat, light etc yet your God leaves no detectable trace what so ever. How can you realistically expect something thats not part of this universe to interact with something that is?
@stevenrivard9246
5 жыл бұрын
@@daveholmes5540 Have you given this any serious thought Dave? You are a physical being that has Immaterial thoughts right? ... Why can't God be an Immaterial being that creates physical reality through his thoughts? This may seem far fetched to you, but the study of quantum physics may say otherwise. I have some resources that would blow your mind. I'm talking about peer reviewed science journal stuff that is so compelling that it was the headliner of a recent world science fair. You interested? Or will your super skepticism blow me off?
@dalebewan
5 жыл бұрын
People accuse Aron of getting too frustrated and cutting people off. I can only say he’s far more patient than I would be with someone who argues like this guy does.
@TheEclecticSkeptic
5 жыл бұрын
I agree. I also wouldn't be as pompous or rude as he was. That's annoying as hell.
@jordancox8294
5 жыл бұрын
It's amazing how much some atheists engage in hero worship. Some refuse to acknowledge any poor reasoning on his part. For example, he was awful against Inspiring Philosophy.
@dalebewan
5 жыл бұрын
jordan cox I think you’re reading way more in to my comment than I said. Projection perhaps? Atheists aren’t immune to faulty reasoning, but scepticism does tend to inoculate against it at least to some extent. Hero worship is absolutely a kind of faulty reasoning. Aron could commit a horrid, terrible act tomorrow and I wouldn’t change my opinion of how he handled this conversation in the slightest. My opinion of him as a person and my opinion of his reasoning and discussion techniques have nothing to do with each other. Right now I have no reason to believe he’s a horrible person but whether I do or don’t now or in the future will have no bearing on whether I think he’s right or not on topics he discusses.
@rexusthevaliant6311
5 жыл бұрын
I'm yelling at my phone as he's talking.....he's so Disengenuoise lol
@Gokulosestoavirus
5 жыл бұрын
jordan cox you’re welcome to message Aron and discuss this with him. If you think he’s wrong.
@karl9460
4 жыл бұрын
"it is like me trying to measure my weight using a ruler" Welcome my friend to the metric system. Guess how much this cubic meter of water weighs.
@jeremiahstaley2708
5 жыл бұрын
Aron has the paitence only decades of hearing the same fallacies can give.
@James-oo1yq
5 жыл бұрын
I couldn't listen to these people fooling themselves and trying to sound intelligent. Aron is in the dictionary under "Patience" God bless him 😂
@luigirossi835
5 жыл бұрын
@MrZapparin "Ben Shapiro clone" LOL. I knew he reminded me of another dweeby little moron.
@markwildt5728
5 жыл бұрын
Well if you're gonna falsely misrepresent a word for 20 years, you better have patience...
@luigirossi835
5 жыл бұрын
@@markwildt5728 Explain how the word was falsely misrepresented...
@markwildt5728
5 жыл бұрын
@@luigirossi835 because 'faith' has never been used or defined as 'belief without evidence' other than by Aron himself, and he's been corrected on it for 20 years and still holds to his false belief... Then he insists on scientific empirical evidence where he knows it doesn't apply to dishonestly back his claim... He's the most dishonest hack atheist on the internet...
@toddws2683
5 жыл бұрын
This guy is just another example of theism at it's best, argue in circles, because theists are not allowed to step out of the forest to see the trees
@DrVein
5 жыл бұрын
I just Keep Arguing circles Arguing circles Arguing circles
@PurpleChickenTV
3 жыл бұрын
That guy didn't want a discussion. He just wanted an argument.
@DaJukes
5 жыл бұрын
eric cares more about how he looks than understanding what is going on.
@spaceghost8995
3 жыл бұрын
Haha yeah he does look good but has no substance!
@stephenbarlin2314
3 жыл бұрын
Anyone can look as good as Eric if your dollars are tax free.
@AetherealGirl
3 жыл бұрын
He looks like a Walmart Billy Mays.
@sweetbymia5317
3 жыл бұрын
Hahaha he is a covert incel beta for sure!
@daheikkinen
5 жыл бұрын
That was tough to watch, as fairly early on I slammed my head into my desk, rendering my eyesight useless for the rest of the video.
@ivanivonovich9863
5 жыл бұрын
That would be considered to be lucky for you!
@EpicWarrior131
5 жыл бұрын
@@ivanivonovich9863 Lolol
@mikesparrow3807
3 жыл бұрын
Glad I found this debate - this Eric guy is on a defensive high-horse - Aron did a great job of pointing out Eric’s lack of staying on topic. EH is a narcissist that has to be right all the time, & if wrong will not admit it!
@fighterPheonix
5 жыл бұрын
The christian dude keeps thinking christianity is totally different from other religions but in all reality it's not
@neomt2
5 жыл бұрын
He's a brainwashed Latino who forgets what the Spanish chirstians did to the native side of his people :/ not much hope or substance there
@shanewilder1878
5 жыл бұрын
@@neomt2 it was that spanish inquisition that killed all the non believers so the FAITH could go on. These religios nuts dont realize that religion has been the the cause of more deaths than any modern war combined, and yet they sit in the chairs and think they are so grand and inocent. Sorry religions but your all the reason why science took so long to get where its at now. They need to sit back and learn and need to shut up and let the relions fizzle out.
@eliashorton
5 жыл бұрын
Many Christians think this way, though they don't realize just how similar their religion is to others because, they don't study other religions. That's what I did, and what subsequently helped lead to my de-conversion. I truly and honestly believe if more of the honest Christians did the same thing, they would end up where I did, no longer believing.
@neomt2
5 жыл бұрын
@Scott Davis only to other religious nuts who applaud them sadly when they deal with those of us who are through their antics they realize they've got no leg to stand on
@neomt2
5 жыл бұрын
@@shanewilder1878 don't apologise for religion or their followers - correct them
@belmore2107
5 жыл бұрын
Such patience! WOW.
@Soli_Deo_Gloria_.
5 жыл бұрын
B Elmore Exactly....................... Good job Eric.
@chrisbay6672
4 жыл бұрын
Eric Hernandez is all about the projection. He accuses Aron of all the things he optimizes. Hernandez is on a script, Hernandez is constantly disingenuous, he pulls things from his ass, makes the conversations about semantics rather than evidence. He accuses his opponent of all of these things in an attempt to get the focus off of his ignorance and dishonesty.
@jasonbutler856
5 жыл бұрын
OMG!!! He doesn't believe the mind is a product of the brain!?!!?!?! AHHHH!!!! There is no way. no way.
@ProjectEchoshadow
4 жыл бұрын
A lot of wrong people think this way
@mism847
3 жыл бұрын
I used to think this way due to religious zealots fooling around with my feelings (not using logic). I then read enough facts to conclude that it’s extremely unlikely that this isn’t the case.
@bartimaeus44
5 жыл бұрын
An hour and 40 minutes?! jesus christ I couldn’t even make it through half and hour
@theomnidegenerate5236
5 жыл бұрын
I made it through the whole video can I now officially register is a cancer survivor?
@SuperFamiKing
5 жыл бұрын
I skipped through it, honestly
@ivanivonovich9863
5 жыл бұрын
@@theomnidegenerate5236 No, but I know where there is a "rubber room" you can check into... And You'll be happy to see those nice young men In their clean white coats...
@theomnidegenerate5236
5 жыл бұрын
IVAN IVONOVICH ... you thought it was a joke and so you laughed you laughed when I had said I had become a cancer survivor. I heard you laugh I know you laughed you laughed and laughed and laughed and now you know Im utterly mad. so? they’re coming to take me away ha ha!
@rlwemm
5 жыл бұрын
I lasted a bit longer before I began to skip bits. I still feel like I have survived something terrible.
@TAB59101
3 жыл бұрын
I look up four definitions of theology and in none of them does it mention scholarship. The question is what Eric means by scholarship. The basic definition of a scholar is a learned person. In my opinion, Dan Baker qualifies as both a scholar and a theologian.
@blus-
5 жыл бұрын
...He brought shame to the Hernan Family Fun fact: Hernandez means 'Son/Daughter of Hernan'
@veganatheistandmore
5 жыл бұрын
Religion begets apologetics. In other words: Lies beget more lies. Dishonesty begets more dishonesty. Great job AronRa! Thank you.
@jamesdillin9567
3 жыл бұрын
My knuckles itch listening to Eric.
@ImmortalInflames
5 жыл бұрын
I really do enjoy these videos, even the ones that become a train wreck. It's educational for me as it helps me frame what I am going to say and how to frame an argument, not that I am one to debate, but on the odd occasion - it really has come in handy. The one basic rule I make sure never to forget is "If you can't show it, you don't know it". This always keeps me grounded so I keep to what I know! Thank you!
@InitialFailure
5 жыл бұрын
What a smug fella. "Ask me Aron.. ask meeee" "No, try again" "You say I'm people which I'm I guess I'm a part of" "You're jumping around again, we're talking about my beliefs" How did he get a moment with Aron? I would love to have had this amount of time with Aron.
@mattweston1212
5 жыл бұрын
I know. This much time to just get his opinions on different things of interest; it'd be awesome. But this slippery little cretin gets more than an hour to purposefully ignore and obfuscate what he's being told.
@james-cz4xx
3 ай бұрын
He looks like Matt Walsh and Ben Shapiro had a baby... but sounds more like Matt Powel and a canister of helium had a baby
@TheReaverOfDarkness
5 жыл бұрын
I can't stand these people with the intellectual equivalence of a wet paper bag. "Faith is based on evidence." >> "But it doesn't rely on empirical verification." "Equivocation fallacy!!"
@willruler8614
5 жыл бұрын
TheReaverOfDarkness the Apollonian spirit seems to be ever present in Aron but not in Erik unfortunately. Oh well such is life All praise the Goddess Reason!
@johnnyrobotfpv7104
5 жыл бұрын
Especially one who is debate buzzword trigger happy. "Assertion"
@marcusfoster626
5 жыл бұрын
Quick lesson to anyone debating a theist. Presenting a logical set of arguments is irrelevant because a faith base belief in itself does not require logic. Therefore its like nailing jelly to the wall. A skilled debator should endeavour to take control of the discourse by asking questions and allow the 'debatee' to tie themselves in knots. That said Aaron Ra is truly amazing, his knowledge of the subject matter is second to none and his patience is .... well.... awe inspiring. I truly don't know how he stayed so calm.
@kenthovindscpa9466
4 жыл бұрын
This is so good and cringeworthy at the same time. I enjoyed it so much I've watched it 3x. AronRa is my hero
@ApexHerbivore
5 жыл бұрын
Eric please shut up for 30 seconds and let him make his point. Not everything is about you.
@2tonetony319
5 жыл бұрын
Around 41:00 A theologian is not someone who studies god. A theologian is someone who studies what other people say or have said about the concept of god.
@shanen8031
4 жыл бұрын
I looked up dunning kruger and there was a picture of Eric!!! Who would have thought
@davidsmock8235
5 жыл бұрын
Aron, I have been critical of you in the past in the way you handle people. However, you handled this brilliantly. I know you don't need my opinion or approval. But I just thought I'd put this comment out there.
@natanyaaberra4984
5 жыл бұрын
Eric is a idiot!
@dietwald
3 жыл бұрын
@@natanyaaberra4984 and Aaron remained civil. He's a stronger man than I aspire to be.
@uriituw
2 жыл бұрын
@@dietwald Who did?
@Ergeniz
Жыл бұрын
@@uriituw Me.
@chrispysaid
Жыл бұрын
@@dietwaldwho's Aaron?
@neilcates3499
5 жыл бұрын
Two takeaways from this debate: 1) still no evidence for a god and 2) Aron - when you say that you have been doing this for x amount of time, you need to be very specific, always. Please state number of years, months, days, hours, minutes and seconds - and keep that logged and noted for quick access - how else are we supposed to believe you are being factual.
@shanen8031
5 жыл бұрын
Yea Aron, be more specific on your details. Lol
@glyrr
3 жыл бұрын
How long is that in Planck time?
@8888Funkytown
8 ай бұрын
Never realized how sneaky believers are when debating It’s truly eye opening
@ConcealedCourier
5 жыл бұрын
Gen 1:1 is a god claim on the origin of the universe. Eric is lying in the name of his sand god.
@b1akn3ss93
5 жыл бұрын
Well He did say he only focuses on the New Testament ....
@geoffreymcgee5087
5 жыл бұрын
This guy is so petulant and dishonest and incredibly rude, I enjoy watching debates, but who ever this guy Aaron is talking to is so rude and dishonest i couldnt handle it. Aaron you are what should be a Saint. Keep up being as direct and honest as you are. This other guy is not worth any consideration on his views and opinions. So disingenuous and makes me feel sick for people like them.
@voiceofreason467
4 жыл бұрын
So because AronRa doesn't update his numbers and just rounds off... therefore he's dishonest and disingenuous? If you said you've had this same conversation for about 20 years and it's been 25 years... is that really dishonest? Or is Eric just being another pissy apologist? I mean, nothing of what he said can be untrue, nothing of what was said was a lie... why is this dishonesty? Do you not know what "about" means in a sentence Eric? My god, this conversation is so fucked.
@ttthttpd
5 жыл бұрын
Ra's though-process here is like a well oiled machine, or optimized program: complex but logical, linear, and linked together. The other guy's is like a bowl of spaghetti: multiple threads without form and extremely repetitive
@calibre97
5 жыл бұрын
Was trying to come up with a way to convey what I was hearing.. Couldn't. You nailed it.
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