Kid Boo Vs Boohan Video Here: kzitem.info/news/bejne/0GpszYeJf52AhI4
@JaydenCurrington
Ай бұрын
Buuhan wins this so look goku knew that he was finna get absolutely killed by buuhan and when gohan got absorbed buuhan was too damn strong so that’s why he needed fusion to beat buuhan and when buu went into his pure form he was just dumb as a rock and is more dangerous than buuhan but goku knew that he could go toe toe with kid buu but goku knew that he was completely outclassed by buuhan so if kid buu really is stronger than buuhan then why did goku ever even need fusion so buuhan is absolutely stronger than kid buu in every single way buuhan is smarter cuz he absorbed gohan and piccolo he’s stronger since he’s absorbed gohan who completely outclassed super sayian 3 and kid buu is pretty dang near the same level as ssj3 so kid buu can’t even have a fight with vegito like buuhan did he also absorbed others to stack and he has more abilities since he’s absorbed goten,trunks,gohan,piccolo and others so he has all of they’re moves buuhan has more biq since he’s absorbed gohan and piccolo and others buuhan has better feats since just by him screaming can destroy dimensions and the whole macrocosm of the whole universe and he has more skill since you know he absorbed extremely great fighters and they’re knowledge,they’re abilities and other things and he has more hax since he absorbed all of those people and buuhan has more durability and can regenerate faster than kid buu so kid buu just gets dominated
@_-Bane-_Main
9 ай бұрын
Completely unrelated to scaling, but I would have preferred SSB not exist at all or have a much later introduction. SSG wasn’t allowed to be a form used seriously after Battle of Gods, and that’s a shame for such a unique transformation.
@SoraDonaldGoofy99
9 ай бұрын
I agree. I would never object to Blue existing, but I see why this should be the case! If I had to 'reintroduce' Blue, I'd maybe set it up for the Goku Black Saga. As a way to prove to Zamasu that both divinity and Saiyan potential can mix and that the divine power that Goku and Vegeta have truly belong to them.
@_-Bane-_Main
9 ай бұрын
@@SoraDonaldGoofy99 it definitely makes sense in the Goku Black arc, as both Goku and Vegeta experience intense anger during the fights and could realistically find a fusion of SSG and Super Saiyan.
@ginnungagapabyss5639
9 ай бұрын
Honestly, I've always felt like Blue should be SSJG but if a Saiyan trained for god ki, while red SSJG can only be achieved through the ritual, and Rose is from a Saiyan Kai. They could all have their own evolutions like ultra instinct being the evolution of SSJG’s calm nature, while ego would be the evolution of rage so blue evolves into purple, and Rose could just evolve like SSJ. Like in SDBH.
@SoraDonaldGoofy99
9 ай бұрын
@@ginnungagapabyss5639 Never thought of it that way to be fair.
@phantom-X2086
9 ай бұрын
I've always never liked Super Saiyan Blue, I always preferred Super Saiyan God because it felt like a more unique transformation and expanded on the lore of the Saiyans. Blue being just Super Saiyan stacked on top of God just is a meh concept.
@menacingpotatoleaf
9 ай бұрын
I like how the community needs to discover things over years because almost no one watches DB in the DB community. Many things in the series where literally spoon fed to you, but the fandom ignores or doesn't know about it.
@LavaCreeperPeople
9 ай бұрын
Super saiyan 4 is cool, but gets one shot end of story
@menacingpotatoleaf
9 ай бұрын
@@LavaCreeperPeople First off, this post is about the community. Not this specific match up. Secondly, you didn't not watch the video. You can come to whatever conclusion you want. But make sure you are informed on what you talk about or you're gonna get laughed at, again. Cause I already laughed.
@jersont.3339
9 ай бұрын
@@menacingpotatoleafthis only makes sense if we just take the anime power scale since there for some reason goku and vegeta are stronger than gotenks and gohan, and kid buu is stronger than buuhan (stupid since he doesn't have anything absorbed), if we talk about manga then anything this talks about doesn't make an ounce of sense (as well as everything in the GT anime)
@kaienglish271
9 ай бұрын
You don’t understand how happy this comment made me 😂Stuff in Super is explained well in manga and anime but people refuse to pay attention. Ppl Hate SSB but I continue to tell them Blue functionality wise is the best form outside of UI and UE.
@Tacet137
9 ай бұрын
the series is about telling a story for kids in japan, but then morons got to "power scaling" which not even the writers give a single fuck about. Thank you Stan Lee.
@millgiass
8 ай бұрын
Nope. Saying Kid Buu is stronger than Buuhan is ridiculous. You just de-railed your entire argument right there.
@ettoreozzy9932
8 ай бұрын
exactly, it can be argued that is the most dangerous of them since he is pure evil and doesn't flinch before destroying planets but Kid Buu is not the stronger Buu, much less stronger than Buuhan
@jasontoddler7680
7 ай бұрын
Yes this is true, Buuhan was way stronger than Kid Buu.
@armany2171
7 ай бұрын
@@jasontoddler7680goku dosent even thought about fighting buuhan one on one
@anticoremv1587
7 ай бұрын
Facts
@Flipitmixit
7 ай бұрын
Db fans dont watch their own show
@joelbell6075
9 ай бұрын
I just realized that the reason why Buuhan got so powerful when angry was because he was using Gohan's rage boost attribute! 😱😱😱😱😱
@DS123-gb8tf
8 ай бұрын
Then buuhan said “he won, I lost😢”
@djw_tekken8490
8 ай бұрын
inaccessible speed can still be topped best example whis😂
@djw_tekken8490
8 ай бұрын
Nope he wasnt angry lol😂
@djw_tekken8490
8 ай бұрын
He was confident for the win but lost
@Patientvector
8 ай бұрын
What? EVERY character in dragon ball gets stronger when they are angry. Vegeta tells the same thing to Cabba and Broly. So what makes you think its Gohan's boost that made buuhan so strong?
@wakapout630
8 ай бұрын
Stopped the video when he said that kid buu is stronger than buuhan.
@Geozone117
7 ай бұрын
Dude is an idiot
@wdadwdwdwadw8604
7 ай бұрын
yea this guy is a moron when clearly in actual manga its directly stated that Kid Buu is weaker than Super Buu.
@loyisomt
7 ай бұрын
Totally false! 😮
@BerserkerMaro
7 ай бұрын
I stopped the video once he said SS3 Vegetto lol... Vegito never transformed into SSJ3
@cda133
5 ай бұрын
I stopped then too, sorry I wasted time up to that point. I tried to explain to the guy who posted but he’s a total dope…
@mustaphazouaoui1454
9 ай бұрын
I let the guy cook hoping that he'd convice me that ssj4>ssjg but the second he said "kid buu is stronger than buuhan" I stopped the video.
@Br0ku
9 ай бұрын
You don't know ball
@mustaphazouaoui1454
9 ай бұрын
@@Br0ku believe me I smoked it
@grifgaming436
7 ай бұрын
@@Br0kuSo is Kid Buu being stronger a retcon? The whole reason Goku and Vegeta decided to fight Buu 1-on-1 was because he was weaker than what he was fused.
@Br0ku
7 ай бұрын
@@grifgaming436 that isn’t the whole reason. They fought 1 on 1 because of saiyan pride. Toriyama even stated this.
@grifgaming436
7 ай бұрын
@@Br0kuYeah you right. I just double checked
@iamkidwayne1469
9 ай бұрын
buu saga was crazy no one questioned how gotenks literally cutting space and a portal make to a different dimension 😂😂
@fortnitesexman
8 ай бұрын
your grammar is so rough it could severely injure ssj4 goku
@mr.number9279
8 ай бұрын
It's why Vegeta uses the Hyperbolic Time Chamber willy nilly now, there's no limit to using it if the door is never a concern.
@DizPrince
14 сағат бұрын
@mr.number9279 In Vegeta's scenario, Popo actually tried to ban him because of how Vegeta gets out.
@TheeSinnerman
9 ай бұрын
"Back in the Day people used to say The top tiers were multi solar system level" Unfortunately ive run into individuals who say Current goku is Solar system level.
@its_ianm
4 ай бұрын
Ikr and they use it to justify why their fav characters can beat Goku lol
@tay14741
Ай бұрын
LMFAOOO
@Chckster
Ай бұрын
Is it cause of that galaxy line in the Moro arc?
@XenMel
29 күн бұрын
This guy's scaling is off horribly and It shows he doesn't watch DBZ at all, Frieza 2nd Form was stated to be capable of destroying a Universe in the Anime (I have proof), and Frieza in his Final Form + Full Power was struggling to beat SS Goku and both are far stronger then Frieza's 2nd Form, this guy is either illiterate or doesn't know how to scale at all because DBZ Character's since Buu Saga/Fusion Reborn have been Outerversal easily
@TheeSinnerman
28 күн бұрын
@@XenMel bro... Not every fan accepts the Frieza uni shit and Goku isn't Outerversal
@Draxeid
8 ай бұрын
Something to note is also that SSJG does have a healing factor
@takerusueyoshi6576
8 ай бұрын
only the ritual SSG has a healing factor. Consider that SSB is basically SSG x50. So shouldn't SSB also have the same factor? Well, it doesn't, and if it really does, SSG Goku in TOP DID NOT heal from his injuries (can be scratches or whatever).. And SS4 has the haxs of tanking techniques that you know about so Goku vs Goku who can PERFECTLY counter Goku. It's still not close. Also rmb how Kid Buu who has a significantly faster regen speed than Ritual God Goku got mangled by a weaker spirit bomb (in comparison to Jiren Bomb and Universal Bomb). So even if he had the healing factor, it does not matter anyways..
@GRtogetaBIC
8 ай бұрын
@@takerusueyoshi6576It wasn't a weaker spirit bomb. The Spirit Bomb against kid Buu used all of the universe energy, simply he could only forcibly take a small portion without the people's consent, that is why he asked for the humans and namekkians consent because as one of the few sentient race and some of the strongest they would boost him more that a tiny bit of energy from any non sentient living being on the universe. The spirit bomb is also techinque made to cleanse evil. Litterally in the fight vs Vegeta it was explained how a good person could repel it. So kid buu's struggle was simply because he was THE Evil, litterally evil incarnated, so it was the strongest technique in existence against kid buu. Ironically it would have been less effective against fat buu and superbuhan because they had a good side in them. Jiren being able to repel it is simply a clever way to show the viewers that he wasn't as evil as people initially tought. In fact while his desire was a little selfish you could easily argue that he was more good then Goku who started the whole tournament (that endangered all sentient life) simply for fun.
@lilpullout
8 ай бұрын
where do you guys pull this shit out of your ass?
@sabichaokujo3307
8 ай бұрын
ssj4 has a healing factor AND an adaption hack
@JamaalDaGreatest
8 ай бұрын
@@takerusueyoshi6576having a slight healing factor doesnt mean he still doesnt take damage. it can be overcome by stronger fighters
@frosty5424
9 ай бұрын
*Personally* i disagree hard with the idea that SSJ4 is stronger than SSG, since i doubt a lot of the evidence, and i believe that SSG is a much better form However im not a toxic super fan so I'm cool with your logic and take, you always make great videos so it was expected!
@BIGHOODPETA
9 ай бұрын
You should watch divine or kazi scaling on ssj4
@frosty5424
9 ай бұрын
@@BIGHOODPETA Haven't heard of them before, I'll probably check it out later Thank youuu
@buster3041
9 ай бұрын
But end of gt goku got 100 years of hard core training with gods
@frosty5424
9 ай бұрын
@buster3041 That I agree with, end of GT goku is way beyond any other goku (Except maybe CC) But this is just SSJ4 vs SG
@Alexander-Lionheart_1881
9 ай бұрын
@@frosty5424lol I'm sorry but did you just compare CC Goku to end of GT dragon god Goku? Seriously? CC Vegito was completed dominated by xeno Vegito when they fought Cumber
@Solesteam
8 ай бұрын
The crazy thing is that with SSJG's introduction it became cannonical that the team had a VERY easy way to deal with Super 17 and Omega Shenron that went right under their noses... the funniest part being that they were REALLY close to accidentally unlocking this power during the fight with Omega Shenron when Goku was down for the count.
@TheRealCatof
8 ай бұрын
It's just SSG, there is no J
@demontiming3234
8 ай бұрын
@@TheRealCatofthe “j” in “ssjg” comes from the Japanese pronunciation of super saiyan, which is “super saiyajin”. It’s why sometimes you’ll see people type “ssj2” instead of just ss2 and so on
@KingBongHogger
8 ай бұрын
@@TheRealCatoffilthy dub watcher located
@TheRealCatof
8 ай бұрын
@@demontiming3234 Yes, but SSJ was never used Canonically, even in Japanese. But officially, Super Saiyan God are called SSG and SSGSS. Which means the correct abbreviation for Super Saiyan is SS
@Supahdenning
8 ай бұрын
@@TheRealCatof SSJ is more common and unambiguous, we will maintain the standards we have used for decades.
@RyomenSukuna259
8 ай бұрын
Buuhan is obviously the strongest version of Buu, I think most people should know that
@charlesman8722
8 ай бұрын
Kid Buu: casual wipes out planets Buuhan: can’t beat a piece of candy
@fupmi
8 ай бұрын
@@charlesman8722 that piece of candy can destroy kid buu easily
@themiddlechild8952
8 ай бұрын
@@charlesman8722buu Han almost collapses multiple realties onto themselves by yelling really loud he wipes kid buu
@charlesxavier677
8 ай бұрын
Kid Buu is weaker than Buuhan. Kid Buu was stated to be the most "dangerous" version of Buu but this was later clarified as unpredictable not strongest. Buuhan is the strongest version of Buu.
@RyomenSukuna259
8 ай бұрын
@@charlesxavier677 Exactly my point
@razzo086
9 ай бұрын
Kid buu is definitely not stronger than buu han. It’s just he had no conscious and was out of control destroying planets without caring. That’s why they considered him more of a danger
@om9959
9 ай бұрын
Goku outright stated kid buu is strongest one and simply different level compare to other buus and heavily underestimated.
@goku_black0667
9 ай бұрын
@om9959 kid Buu is buuhan without anyone absorbed, and when Buu absorbs people he gets stronger, and Buu absorbed piccolo, Gotenks, Gohan, etc. making him so much more powerful than kid Buu, kid Buu is the most DESTRUCTIVE because of his primitive nature, not the strongest
@razzo086
9 ай бұрын
@@om9959 think about it, Goku fought kid buu with ssj3 and were even in power but goku lacked stamina to keep his ssj3 form. When he got revived by the old Kai and used instant transmission to get to earth with the Potara he was about to get killed straight away by buu han even as ssj3 and with Vegeta with him. I don’t know this is even a discussion… Coming from someone who’s watched the dragon ball series at least 10 times over since the 90’s I can tell you that you are completely wrong
@Bob-mo4no
8 ай бұрын
Kid buu is stronger than fat buu So clearly he can get weaker when he absorbs good hearted beings like the supreme Kai that turned him into fat buu
@FazeRustyNuts
8 ай бұрын
@goku_black0667 Goku literally says Kid Buu is the strongest, he didn't say anything about destructive, your headcanon doesn't matter
@morphstarchangeling8024
9 ай бұрын
Here's a problem I have. Ssj4 has ALWAYS been called the ultimate super saiyan form because it's the strongest natural progression of super saiyan and lacks any noticeable drawbacks. Super saiyan god is not a natrual progression of super saiyan so you can't call it the Ultimate form of a super saiyan.
@Br0ku
9 ай бұрын
hard disagreee.
@Bumblebee3007.
9 ай бұрын
That does make sense it isn't in the natural progression
@KingOfDarknessAndEvil
7 ай бұрын
"Super 17 is stated to be the ultimate machine mutant" yeah and Burter is stated to be the fastest in the universe. Also even if that was true, they might not have meant power, just his ability to absorb ki.
@jschannel6319
9 ай бұрын
On the Vegetto statement in the GT Perfect Files, I think it’s stating that the Potara multiplier is above SSJ4, not necessarily that Vegito is stronger than SSJ4 Goku. And if it did mean that, at most it would be Baby Arc SSJ4 Goku, not Shadow Dragon Arc. Also with Kid Buu and SSJ3 Goku being relative to Vegetto, their statements come after Vegetto no longer existed, so it’s a little hard to bring him into the equation. But I do put them both above Buuhan. I’m a V-Jump scan from 2018, It stated that Buuhan gained a power on par with SSJ3 Goku. One more note, exerting more power doesn’t mean you were going full power.
@isaaccuevas1717
9 ай бұрын
Goku and kid buu are not relative to vegito at all
@Br0ku
9 ай бұрын
You’re right, because they’re stronger
@jschannel6319
9 ай бұрын
The scaling is there. You don’t have to agree with it, but it’s there.
@jschannel6319
9 ай бұрын
At least we can all agree that SSJ3 Goku is way stronger than Ultimate Gohan.
@isaaccuevas1717
9 ай бұрын
@@jschannel6319 any statement about kid buu being the strongest refers to BASE buu’s,buuhan is a fusion not a normal buu,whenever goku is called the strongest it’s not taking about vegito or gogeta
@shaxo5364
9 ай бұрын
Tbf the power scaling of dragon ball doesn't really follow a logistical way especially after z (by logistical i mean in a way where they explain why x is stronger than y etc) the writers simply do not care for it and can state and change writings depending on what they want in the moment, so ssj4 will be stronger only when it's relevant to the story, cannon or not.
@boigaming5861
9 ай бұрын
At some point when GT and super came out I got confused on power scaling
@drebodollaz3504
6 ай бұрын
exactly. Toriyama himself ditched power levels, to focus less on numerically leveling characters up and just writing a story he found fun. The fans look into more than the creator himself.
@donkey_mediocre7246
8 ай бұрын
Thats some crazy mental gymnastics bud was everywhere making crazy assumptions
@Beefer300
8 ай бұрын
Ikr bro was talking about a hypothetical ssj3 vegito. Like what are you on about
@mr.knightthedetective7435
9 ай бұрын
Omega Shenrons "over time" Universe destruction feat is HEAVILY downplayed, why? It's because Omega was *passively* destroying the Macrocosm as in he was holding back his power, if he really wanted to Omega could've powered up to 100% and his Negative energy would speed up by that much, INSTANTLY destroying the Macrocosm. Some will argue it still doesn't count cause its hax but Super fans forget that Hax in Dragon Ball are powered by Ki so Omega ALWAYS had enough power to destroy the Macrocosm in an instant!
@Br0ku
9 ай бұрын
literally.
@LegendarySSJackson
9 ай бұрын
What omega could've done if he powered up
@mr.knightthedetective7435
9 ай бұрын
@@LegendarySSJackson The physical clashes that increased in intensity the further away they got, sure
@dsm2417
9 ай бұрын
Prove it where does it states that. The corrosion is hax not power
@dsm2417
9 ай бұрын
@@mr.knightthedetective7435 they were gonna do it in third until goku canceled the explosion
@igneellinde4123
9 ай бұрын
It depends on the context on what they be by universe if boo was gana destroy the universe that could mean the mortal universe and not the microcosm for ssg statement’s it heavily implies the microcosm due to the Kai realm was also going to be destroyed and the Kai realm existed outside of the microcosm which is also stated to be higher dimensional and transcendence of the microcosm which would also put ssg above ss4
@Br0ku
9 ай бұрын
The context for Boohan is that he destroyed the space that held the microcosm together and separated the universes causing them to rush forth. Destroying a space that holds off several universes is multiversal
@igneellinde4123
9 ай бұрын
@@Br0ku yes I agree it’s multi verse but not a 5D feat as the Kai realm transcends the microcosm stated in the data books
@Br0ku
9 ай бұрын
the Kai realm is included in that. @@igneellinde4123
@igneellinde4123
9 ай бұрын
@@Br0ku no the Kai realm exists out Side the microcosm so it wouldn’t be included unless shown or stated
@Br0ku
9 ай бұрын
The Kai realm is inside of the macrocosm this is shown in the multiple diagrams @@igneellinde4123
@muqmanor
8 ай бұрын
It's a real shame that SS4 was left on the table and essentially replaced by SS God in the canon. SS4 is so much cooler and more interesting both in design and just as a concept imo. Before Super Saiyan transformations, the Saiyan race's most powerful form was the great ape form, but it also caused them to mostly lose themselves to blind rage. SS4 was a form that represented the raw primal power of the Saiyans' roots as a species, but in a refined, controlled form. It made perfect sense as the next step in their collective evolution. SS God is nowhere near as compelling to me
@yussefcheaitou
8 ай бұрын
every super saiyan form represents their primal rage in a human form
@christopherrichey2254
8 ай бұрын
Facts
@fennecwolfox
8 ай бұрын
Well I actually think there's an important thing to remember here: All three of the major Saiyans in the series have found their own thing that's sort of replaced SSJ4 and it's not really God or Blue. It's Ultra Instinct, Ultra Ego, and Beast. Goku has never really been in touch with his Saiyan heritage except as a fighter. UI is the culmination of his mastery of martial arts and himself, two things only possible because he was on Earth. Vegeta has always been a Saiyan 100%. He's the definition of a berserker and takes a beating constantly as a result. UE is him absolutely in his element, beyond the baser instincts of his heritage but still in touch with how he's always fought. And Gohan's always been very much a human with Saiyan blood, but his Beast mode is something neither Super Saiyan nor Human: It's just Gohan. All that pent up power and aggression he has in combat, finally realized after decades of holding back. And I think these three forms are MUCH more impactful than the Oozaru in terms of their actual character growth. SSJ4 definitely looks cooler, but these have more weight to them, imo.
@Don-mp6tv
8 ай бұрын
@@fennecwolfoxI wouldn't call asspulls something with weight; but I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion.
@SpiralSkylines
8 ай бұрын
SSJ4 is some shit a second grader would think is cool, furry fanfic.
@ern1609
9 ай бұрын
Goku: Nah, I'd win
@Ikeai-zv8lv
9 ай бұрын
You did a good video but there's a lot of things I'd like to go over. 1. Buuhan is stronger than Kid Buu. Kid buu is only more dangerous. 2. I was going to mention that the Vegito and Buuhan feat was only universal but your pinned comment explains it better. That said, it's still a lower tier of multiversal than B.O.G SSG Goku. 3. I had a different interpretation of that databook saying ss4 is the ultimate transformation. I interpreted it as Super Saiyan 4 being the ultimate NORMAL Super Saiyan 4 transformation while SSG is something else entirely different. You'd also have to verify the credibility of this databook just like with the GT perfect files. 4. You had good points about SS4 but think of it like this. Base Gt Goku was already a powerhouse while base B.O.G was barely more powerful than Buu Saga base Goku. The form of SSG was able to bring base Goku to a level higher than ss3 Vegito while GT Goku surpassing Vegito had less to do with SS4 being op and more so Base Gt Goku being op. 5. Okay so my arguments may seem like i'm in favor for B.O.G Goku but let me throw a curveball. Base Super Goku is greatly misunderstood. Yes, Goku did absorb SSG but it's more like he could access the power at will as opposed to it just being absorbed into his base. According to Goku, SSGSS is a Saiyan with the powers of an SSG going Super Saiyan. This means when Goku uses his normal Super Saiyan forms, he's not using the power of a Super Saiyan God. This means that Cabba isn't God level and Goku can't make himself 400 times SSG by Going SS3. 6. Alright this will be my final point. SSG Goku was able to bring a Goku around Buu Saga base Goku level to stronger than SS3 Vegito BEFORE he could tap into the true power of the form. Super Saiyan God constantly got stronger in his fight with Beerus until he reached the full power of the form. I guess you could possibly argue that GT SS4 Goku was at this level too, but as alluded to before, the fact that base B.O.G Goku was much weaker than Base GT Goku implies SSG is indeed a stronger form.
@Br0ku
9 ай бұрын
1. Many statements that state Kid Boo is the strongest and not just "dangerous". 2. Not a lower form, per say. In a vacuum, yes. But because the BoG feat is a shared feat and it is through multiple clashes it can't be definitively scaled above Boohan's feat in DC. 3. The Databook is very credible. It's the Chozenshuu 4. That's fine if you interpret it like that. I think you could argue equal interpretation but I still think it's leaning more towards power. 4.I don't think that is substantiated in your post. Sure, it made Goku surpass Vegetto levels in SSJG but is it provably above Goku's power growth as SSJ4? Goku went from getting mollywhopped by a suppressed Baby Vegeta, to using "not even a smidgen of his power" as a SSJ4 and tanking a revenge death ball from Super Baby 2. On the other hand the multiplier from Golden Ooazaru alone is insane, as it lets Baby overcome that gap and even tank a x10 kamehameha from SSJ4 Goku. 6. Possible but I don't think it necessitates that.
@Ikeai-zv8lv
9 ай бұрын
@@Br0ku 1. The thing about Kid Buu being stronger than Buuhan is that it wouldn't make sense in the context of the story. Goku was much weaker than Super Buu and he was scared of Buutenks if I remember correctly. I'm kind of iffy on this, but didn't Toriyama also state that Gohan was the strongest unfused character? That would put him over Kid Buu and Buuhan was definitely stronger than Ultimate Gohan. 2. Okay, I didn't think of it like that but lets keep in mind that this feat was performed with punches. A ki blast such as a Kamehameha or a Super Kamehameha should be able to perform the same level of power if not more on its own. Beerus was obviously stronger than Goku but he was heavily suppressed to the point of being equal to Goku in this clash. 3. Alright, I couldn't find any proof to deny whether or not it's reliable so i'll take your word for it. My interpretation hasn't changed but I can admit that this guide might have more credibility than I initially thought. I'll look into it more at some point. 4. I won't deny that SS4 is a huge boost but base GT Goku is way stronger than Base B.O.G Goku. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that base Super Goku didn't surpass GT Goku until sometime in the tournament of power. What do we know about Baby? Well we know Super Baby is stronger than Super Vegito and we know Super Baby 2 is basically the SS3 version of Super Baby which automatically puts him above SS3 Vegito. We don't know how much stronger he is than Vegito but the same could be said for SSG Goku and Suppressed Beerus. Heck, even the Golden Great Ape form constantly got stronger which is similar to what SSG was in the anime. How strong is Golde Great Ape? Well I can try to answer that in part 2 of this comment.
@Ikeai-zv8lv
9 ай бұрын
How strong is Golden Great ape? Some think it's 500x and others think it's 4000x. I think it's 500x considering Vegeta can do it and there's no evidence of GGA being anything more than a Super Saiyan great ape. HOWEVER, GGA was constantly getting stronger just like SSG was. How much stronger did he get? Well Super Baby was stronger than SS3 Goku and Super Baby 2 was 8 times stronger than Super Baby. SS3 Goku was still able to get some hits on Super Baby but they barely did any damage. I think it's fair to say Baby was roughly 10 times stronger than Goku which means GGA is likely 5000 times base at its full strength. Goku:1 SS3 Goku: 400 GGA Goku: 500x(5000 at full power) SS4 Goku: 50,000 Baby:10 Super Baby: 500 Super Baby 2: 4000 GGA Baby: 5000(50,000 at full power) We know SS4 Goku and GGA Baby were roughly equal and though these numbers may not be accurate, they seem close enough based on how the fight went. The thing is that Base Gt Goku at the very LEAST is 400 times stronger than Base B.O.G Goku and even that's possibly downplayed. Although B.O.G and Gt Goku surpassed ss3 Vegito, Base Gt Goku would need less of a power increase than base B.O.G Goku would. Of course, none of this is actually outright proven, but it does explain why I think the way I do.
@om9959
9 ай бұрын
@@Ikeai-zv8lvthe same goku in anime beat ultimate gohan while nerfed.
@Ikeai-zv8lv
9 ай бұрын
@@om9959 Which anime Goku? If it's Super anime Goku, he was more or less equal to Buu Saga Ultimate Gohan as an SS2 before the tournament of power. I don't think Goku was nerfed either. Ever since B.O.G, we never see SSJ Goku fight god level characters. People say he's just suppressed but considering he always uses his normal SSJ levels to fight characters weaker than Buu, Goku being able to tap into the power of an SSG makes more sense than it just being his base form. Notice how every time Goku has fought God Level opponents, he either fought them in base or went SSGSS after which implies he was using the power of a ssg. In all honesty if we're comparing forms, we should compare TOP Goku to base GT Goku since they should have similar base forms.
@MurakumoVance
8 ай бұрын
I hate these thought experiments. They're always SO LITERAL. Nobody takes into account that Japan OBJECTIVELY, does NOT use the term "stronger" as defined by; "Strength." They've been PROVEN to show that sometimes when a character says someone is stronger, they're actually meaning that; (this is the fighter who is most probable to win in majority of fights.) That being said, you can apply THIS to MMA and popular showings in UFC. For example; Ronda Rousey is considered to be "stronger" than Miesha Tate because Miesha was never able to defeat Ronda, despite multiple attempts. However, Frank Mir is on par with Brock Lesnar, because during their first meeting Mir submitted Lesnar, & Lesnar won the 2nd match-up. If you look at Dragonball through this new lens, things begin to make a LOT more sense! We casually see fighters with a lot less power than their foe, still stand a chance. Krillin held back a Super Saiyan Blue Kahmehameha (when previously, he was clearly out-matched by normal Super Saiyan.) My point is that power is NOTHING in these statements from translations. Technique is also a factor. Skill, and successful damage distributed. There is a plethora of evidence to refer to. Android 17 catching Jiren off guard, and significantly injuring him. Broly overcoming Super Saiyan God "learning as he fights" which was quoted in the movie. Even the scouter's shattering in the Namekian saga was BLATANT foreshadowing that powerscale means NOTHING. You people are SO DENSE. Especially "Saiyan Scholar" who high balls all the feats uber literally. It's already dumb enough that Japan uses the term "stronger" inappropriately, but then all of you feel the need to ADD on to the stupidity by taking their statements at face value! Super Vegetto is likely STILL stronger than Super Saiyan 4 Goku, because it's combining the wisdom of TWO fighters, as opposed to the one. And seeing as how Goku & Vegeta are so opposite of each other, it's a great counterbalance. Super Saiyan god is likely far "stronger" because it has forever altered Goku's ki to be "divine." A detail they dropped at several points throughout the progression of Dragonball Super. You just can't debate this. What I'm saying is FULLPROOF. Any other opinion is just wrong.
@Br0ku
8 ай бұрын
Drivel. 😊
@sagegodyuuki4196
8 ай бұрын
Sorry but buuhan is the strongest buu with kid buu being the most deadly
@LoudYapper
9 ай бұрын
I am happy someone out there does not understimate how ridiculously powerful characters got in GT! Nice vid man, good brrakdown
@SpiralSkylines
8 ай бұрын
Super>>>>>>>>>>>>>GT (power wise, but quality wise as well)
@sinistralhydra
5 ай бұрын
@@SpiralSkylinesDefinitely not quality. Both are mid.
@SpiralSkylines
5 ай бұрын
@@sinistralhydra I’m not a child, I don’t use such terms and don’t associate with anyone who does.
@sevenbuckner4019
3 ай бұрын
goku needing to go ssj4 to push a building full of people to not hurt them 😭
@Br0ku
3 ай бұрын
Dragon Ball Super Goku has an insane amount of Anti-feats too
@dsato2670
3 ай бұрын
That's irrevelant, Super is filled with way more anti-feats than GT does.
@waffleten9750
2 ай бұрын
Pretty sure a building with people weighs more than anything Super has every done lol in terms of lifting feats lol.
@Ser-Lusacan
Ай бұрын
I always thought super sayan god was a separate power chain of just god forms and I thought super sayan 4 was just an evolution of a regular sayan
@colin8696908
4 ай бұрын
A reminder that most of the people who've watched super have never watched DBZ. They aren't real dragon Ball fans.
@KeizerZX
3 ай бұрын
A lot of z fans didn't even watch the original wither
@default5900
7 ай бұрын
Power scaling aside I still think SSJ4 is the coolest transformation, maybe in all of anime. It's certainly my favorite, both from a design perspective and a writing perspective. It felt like a natural evolution to the saiyans, bringing together elements of every form prior. The drastic change in personality from SSJ3 making Goku cold and calculated. The mastered nature similar to grade 4 and SSJ2. The bulking up like we see with grades 2 and 3. And of course, those Osaru elements. Regardless of whether or not it's stronger than god forms I don't really care. I love SSJ4 for more than just the power levels.
@Orion369-x5f
8 ай бұрын
i think the fact u claim kai is a entirely seperate anime from z is wrong. kais simply the events of z without showing as much filler with argueably better animation. u cannot claim that god goku doesnt get the main scaling from z just because it didnt show it in kai. kai is not its own seperate series thats just taking a piss on ssjg cause u wanted ssj4 to be stronger. this one point changes and your arguement is pointless @broku
@Br0ku
8 ай бұрын
Actually bringing up Kai is a very minor point and doesn’t effect the entire argument as you claim.
@Orion369-x5f
8 ай бұрын
how so im geniuenly curious my claim is towards the fact that ur saying ssjg feats of strength in powerscaling prior to achevieing it, are only limited to kai and that u said dragonball z's "filler" feats of strength are only applicable to ssj4 honestly interested in talking about this @@Br0ku
@Orion369-x5f
8 ай бұрын
and i did come off rude in that last sentence i meant the arguement in which i just stated was pointless. im saying that if u consider wat im saying in powerscaling i honestly dont think ssj4 is stronger i honestly think they are similiar but are better in different aspects, such as ki control, and perhaps speed. this is why the prior powerscaling matters and i dont think u can say that ssjg's feats in prior powerscaling is limited to just kai
@Orion369-x5f
8 ай бұрын
we have seen characters such as dypso who are not stronger in raw strength yet faster. why can this not be true between the forms?
@Br0ku
8 ай бұрын
@@Orion369-x5f that’s not what I said. When I mentioned Kai it was only in referencing speed. And that was a supplementary point because I said that SSJ4 would be faster because he has far more Ki, and I listed other speed feats like inacessible earlier on. Me brining up Kai was only my 3rd listed point about just speed. So to argue as if it’s a major point or effects the entire argument is weird.
@omega7057
9 ай бұрын
the mental gymnastics go crzy on this one
@Br0ku
9 ай бұрын
great counter argument!
@omega7057
9 ай бұрын
@@Br0ku we can discuss why if u want
@Br0ku
9 ай бұрын
Join the discord or hmu on Twitter. Both linked in discretion.
@omega7057
9 ай бұрын
@@Br0ku done
@Do-i-Amuse-u
Ай бұрын
Ssj1 vegito
@SaturnineXTS
8 ай бұрын
I definitely think SSj God as a multiplier is way above SSj4, so only Goku's base power really plays a role in this equation and can offset the difference. GT is a clusterfuck in terms of powerlevels though - one time base Goku is said to be above Kid Buu, another time (earlier on) he gets his ass kicked at SSj by a guy who then proceeds to get immediately killed by base Trunks. So yeah, there's that...
@truepainz4735
7 ай бұрын
It doesn’t matter how strong the multiplier is. Bass GT goku is far above base b.o.g goku it’s really not close, even base gt goku from the start is far above let alone the one from the end, the difference is unmeasurable
@SaturnineXTS
7 ай бұрын
@@truepainz4735 base Goku is far above his Z version, and yet somehow he struggles with shit-tier enemies until the writers decide it's time to return to action-based writing huh
@guygoins6237
6 ай бұрын
I doubt it, like Zeon's video showed, when you examine the feats of both versions of Goku pre and post transformations, it's obvious ssj4 is much stronger. In Super ( Battle Of God's actually, his next video went into Super as that info came out ) Goku wasn't able to land a single hit on Beerus and Beerus was able to drop Goku in 2 hits knocking him out completely. In GT it was a similar situation Goku unleashes a flurry of blows and just from Baby blocking a full force punch sends Goku flying backwards. On the second attempt Goku actually lands the punch but it doesn't even effect Baby, Baby then spins Goku by his tail and smashes him into a rock face so hard it knocks him out of Ssj3 and completely cripples him so similar situations and outcomes. He did admit that Beerus's display was a bit more impressive knocking Goku back with a single finger and leaving him unconscious and in need of a senzu bean with a simple chop to the neck ( or pat to the shoulder in Super), meaning the gap between Beerus and Ssj3 Goku is probably greater than gap between Ssj3 Goku and Baby's but just not by a whole lot due ssj2 rage vegeta being able to close the gap and land hits on Beerus in just ssj2 and force Beerus to use 10% of his power. But when Bog Goku or Super Goku goes Ssj God Beerus ends up being much stronger, in GT when Goku goes Ssj4 his power ended up far surpassing Baby Vegeta (without even pushing Goku to his limits as a ssj4) in strongest form 2. Making Ssj4 even stronger than Ssj Blue as Goku didn't surpass Beerus until he achieved full Ultra Instinct, also in DragonBall Super Broly as Broly was using a very similar power to Ssj4 when he went ssj with his wrathful power and easily overpowered the power of two Ssj Blues.
@Fuuploobope
8 ай бұрын
A lot of these are good arguments but can also come down to interpretation for example the SSJ4 being the ultimate form of Super Saiyan making it a better form than God you could interpret it to be the ultimate form based on just super saiyan instead of super saiyan infused with God Ki as technically Super saiyan Blue is ssj infused with god ki with normal ssg being a form that channels the God Ki rather than it being a traditional super saiyan form like 4 it’s really up to how you perceive it
@Br0ku
8 ай бұрын
Good points
@Cure4Brains
7 ай бұрын
About Vegito. The thing is, Vegito is stronger in the old canon than in the modern one. Potara fusion = AxB in the old canon. So, Vegito = Goku x Vegeta (quantillions x quantillions?), which is insane power. So, PERHAPS (like the guidebook says) Vegito is stronger than SSJ 4 Goku (or SSJ 4 Gogeta?). But in the new canon, Potara fusion = (A+B)x100 (or less than 100). So, SSG is PROBABLY (below I'll explain why "probably") stronger than fusion. But if we compare SSG Goku and Vegito from Z, then, without a doubt, Base Vegito >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SSG Goku. BUT! Is SSG actually stronger than fusion? Goku said: "I don't even think that will give me a chance". So, he does not know for sure, and moreover, he cannot know, because he does not know the power of Beerus. HE CAN'T SENSE GOD KI! We can't use this statement as proof that SSG is stronger than fusion. P.S. Pure Buu is the strongest Buu.
@yungblade7
5 ай бұрын
Also Goten was confident to fight Baby 1 on 1 on his first arrival to earth. That would have been a good fight being that he trained with Gohan all those years.
@blackche1580
8 ай бұрын
bro said kid buu is stronger than buuhan ur opinions are infact irrelevant
@Br0ku
8 ай бұрын
Cool story bro
@damarkomoore5236
8 ай бұрын
Bro lost me as soon as he said that lol. No credibility at all.
@gabrielhughes8221
7 ай бұрын
Ya'll do realize that Super Saiyan 4 supposedly be the primary Apex predator a.k.a the finale form of a Saiyan 😏. Also meaning the Saiyan is at their potential powers of a god-like statue's. But GT has screwed up Akira plane. So yeah the SS4 supposedly reach up too Divinity. That was the purposes of Super Saiyan 4 and it name was knkw as Primary ape form or Primary Saiyan. That was the angle of an Saiyan finally reaching towards Ascended.
@badkermit180
7 ай бұрын
Dbs goku absolutely walks gt goku
@willemcenter8649
4 ай бұрын
Not by feats or scaling. GT base Goku has feats comparable to MUI during ToP
@Bri.ThaRapper
15 күн бұрын
people mad bout one thing in a 22 minute vid with full proof argument just shows tha copium their doing LMAO
@SilverSisu
8 ай бұрын
Don't know about SSG Goku but SSJ Blue Goku from tournament of power solos the whole GT without breaking a sweat.
@tyrannotherium7873
9 ай бұрын
I don’t know why a lot of people like to downplay on GT characters but they’re more powerful than previously thought
@altreon3608
9 ай бұрын
because they don't like it
@tyrannotherium7873
9 ай бұрын
@@altreon3608 well, that’s obvious
@tyrannotherium7873
6 ай бұрын
But that is still not an excuse, though
@theinfeno
3 ай бұрын
While I do agree SSJ4 GT Goku is much closer to Super Sayian God Goku in DBS than people would think. But the power scaling justifications for the end of Buu Saga is a bit strange. Like for example, why would Kid Buu even need to consider absorbing anyone if it made him weaker? Buuhan clearly has to be the strongest form of Buu Shown. Likewise, it is hard to say that Vegitio couldn't use SSJ3 since Goku could use it, and never brought it up. Also since we don't technically see the full power of Vegito or Kid Buu, it makes both of them counter productive as a reference point since it really is unknown.
@TheSuperGoober
9 ай бұрын
It says in the GT Perfect Files that Ssj4 draws the battle power out to its utmost. Essentially, Ssj4 is litteraly as strong as the user can get at that point in time. Although the Jump from 3 to 4 initially was insane, I've calced 32,000,000. See, Ssj Baby was bodying Ssj3 Goku. Baby then becomes SB2, an Ssj3 and 8x stronger version of himself. He then goes Golden Oozaru, which is actually a 10,000x amp on top of his SB2 form due to Bulma powering him with 1000x the normal brutz waves required, with a 10x amp being the normal amount. And we know brutz waves grant power in GT, as it is later shown Bulma refueling Baby back to 100% power and energy as an Oozaru via that same brutz waves machine after they knocked eachother out. Goku would have to get 80,000x stronger (ssj3 and oozaru buff) on top of his Ssj3 self to even compete, which comes out to 32,000,000. And of course SFPSJ4 is 10x, which would be a 320,000,000x increase
@negie78000
8 ай бұрын
That was the same statement for ssj3.
@jayy3608
9 ай бұрын
Db on the main channel now? I like it
@theevilben666
8 ай бұрын
8:48 no I think while goku hasn't felt his full power as vegito, I think both he and Vegeta know exactly how strong they could become just by knowing what 10-20% felt like. We the reader get confused by the fact Vegito was holding back, but Goku as half of Vegito, should know where his power lies. And what do you mean Vegito goes all out on enrages buuhan. He raised his ki enough to fly through the whirlwind and punched him. He didnt big bang kamehameha him, or pull out any finnisher at all. He just socked him one. Vegito in base was stronger but buu has almost unlimited stamina and can rejuvinate almost indefinitely. He needed his ssj1 form to dominate him so badly buuhan was forced to absorb him, which was Vegitos plan all along. Please rewatch that fight man.
@theevilben666
8 ай бұрын
He didn't want to kill Buuhan, he wanted to save his family. If he wanted to kill him it was 1 big bang Kamehameha away. In base.
@theevilben666
8 ай бұрын
And just an after thought. Both Vegeta and Goku have ssj2 unlocked by this point and Goku has ssj3. Trunks and Goten could only do ssj1 unfused but could do ssj3 while fused. If you think for a second Vegito couldn't go ssj3 you're wack. He decided ssj1 was all it took to dominate Buuhan. And he was right. If he went ssj3 Buuhan would have pulled a freeza and blew up the planet. No doubt Vegito manipulated Buuhan by specifically choosing ssj1.
@elvangulley3210
8 ай бұрын
This is nothing but the rantings of a gt fanboy ssj is way stronger
@Br0ku
8 ай бұрын
Not sure about SSJ being stronger, my friend.
@elvangulley3210
8 ай бұрын
@Br0ku you are a gt fan you wouldn't know there is literally no proof of ss4 being stronger
@Br0ku
8 ай бұрын
I am a GT and a Super fan, my friend. @@elvangulley3210
@B12playz
8 ай бұрын
1:40 when you realize Frieza jumped from what sun level+ to multiversal+ in 4 months
@takerusueyoshi6576
8 ай бұрын
Frieza be neg diffing if he was actually a protag
@cloroxbleach3936
8 ай бұрын
sun lvl?
@Ironpaths
8 ай бұрын
@@cloroxbleach3936he drugged himself while writing this comment
@JasWinnin-gi2jb
8 ай бұрын
Frieza could destroy multiple suns inthe blink if a eye in base
@ty.shota23
7 ай бұрын
@JasWinnin-gi2jb but like....which base
@InfiniteEscuro
8 ай бұрын
I find the argument of "Goku doesn't know Vegito's full power because the fusion was holding back" so completely ridiculous that it's not even funny, just confusing. He didn't just sense Vegito - for a time, he WAS Vegito. He doesn't need to sense Ki to know how strong Vegito is, because VEGITO knows how strong VEGITO is in his own head; he knows his base, SSJ, SSJ2, and SSJ3 levels, the same way Goku knows his own levels in those forms without needing to specifically power up to max. But also I do gotta say that Kid Buu being stronger than Fat Buu is weird as hell, since it's just not true. Just weird anime fuckery. He's more dangerous and feral, but he cannot possibly be stronger logically. Goku at least *_thinks_* he could have beaten Fat Buu as SSJ3, and whether you believe him or not (since he was ALSO sure that if Majin Vegeta couldn't phase Fat Buu, then he couldn't either. But SSJ3 did retroactively make Goku a liar across the Buu arc so we'll ignore that), he also then is sure that he hasn't got a chance in hell against base Super Buu. Who is relative to SSJ3 Gotenks, Piccolo even says they are dead even. Logically he got twice as powerful when he became Buutenks, and was then above a version of Gohan which could humiliate him previously. He absorbed Gohan, then because far more powerful again. Vegito was utterly necessary for even just Buutenks, never mind Buuhan. Yet then Goku and Vegeta are both quite confident that on their own, fighting separately even, they could probably beat Kid Buu. No time at all passes for them to get more powerful. In fact only like a handful of minutes passes in-world from Vegito vs Buuhan to Goku vs Kid Buu, and no-one even really implies that Goku is stronger than he was before the fusion. Logically speaking... Kid Buu's not even quite as powerful as Fat Buu. Not weaker by any large amount, but not quite on the exact same level.
@Beefer300
8 ай бұрын
That's what I'm saying, like you don't think Goku knows his own power??? 💀
@luisfernan-s7731
9 ай бұрын
I would disagree with that god ki is overated by multiple reasons but because it is a very powerful variant and more meaningful than, well, pulling something out of the a- and in multiple sagas it became the center of importance and gets development... However the thought that even cabba can rival BoG goku is permanent an will haunt me , making me disappointed every time its reminded 💀
@Br0ku
9 ай бұрын
I still think I'm correct. It's overrated but still very useful. But the fandom overrates it by arguing that a God Ki user will always beat a non-god ki user, even though the source material heavily contradicts that.
@luisfernan-s7731
9 ай бұрын
@@Br0kuyeah, that's the other side of the coin when I mentioned cabba since he can damage Vegeta witch is relative to goku who surpasses BoG goku then that's where you're right. But I think I'm also right witch puts me in a neutral position Idk If I did explained myself clearly that ofc, youre not wrong.
@jersont.3339
9 ай бұрын
@@luisfernan-s7731ahh the horrible power scaling of the super anime will haunt forever this community, between the saiyan beyond god and the ssjg still being used it's a back and forth in which we don't know what's being used or not
@caioroman2379
9 ай бұрын
@@jersont.3339 i still think the dragon ball super just couldn't keep up with the power scaling of gt and just decided:"fuck this, let's restart this shit".
@jersont.3339
9 ай бұрын
@@caioroman2379 when gt started using dbz scales saying kid buu was the strongest that was the moment we knew gt didn't make any sense
@kindalucky
9 ай бұрын
I can literally never take Kid Buu > Buuhan seriously ever again after Toyama literally just came out and said Buuhan was stronger than just started debunking statments made in the anime himself. At this point its just funny to watch people push their agendas over the literal show runners of the anime when it comes ANIME ONLY statments. Its kinda like a feats over statments thing, but the statment is coming straight from the anime producer's mouth.
@Br0ku
9 ай бұрын
What’s funny is that months later Koyama said that Kid Boo was the strongest.
@michaelshields6326
8 ай бұрын
Kid buu being strong than buuhan makes zero sense, unless ssj3 suddenly got massively more powerful with zero explanation.
@Br0ku
8 ай бұрын
He did get stronger
@michaelshields6326
8 ай бұрын
@@Br0ku Narratively it makes no sense. And Toriyama has contradicted about himself about it multiple times.
@wukong9841
9 ай бұрын
To say ssj4 is stronger than ssg because its stated to be the ultimate form would make ssj4 stronger than ssb by using the same logic
@Br0ku
9 ай бұрын
no because the databook came out before super saiyan blue. So it's not even close to the same logic.
@thedarknessinthelight9824
9 ай бұрын
@@Br0kuI think they refer to SSJ4 as the ultimate saiyan form because SSG and above that are forms given to saiyans with *GOD* Ki. I still agree that SSJ4 is stronger, but you can't compare the godly forms since they require a special requirement, whereas you'd be able to get SSJ4 normally.
@Shin_958
Ай бұрын
@@Br0kuWhich data book?
@fnfdripgoku7575
8 ай бұрын
who let bro cook☠
@TopKing63
9 ай бұрын
Couldn't it be true that SS4 is weaker than SSG but still be the ultimate form of SS? Technically, SSG is just Goku imbuing foreign Ki into himself and becoming SSG? Or is God Ki just some linked, but transcendent form of Normal Ki?
@Renn_js
8 ай бұрын
I would just like to note that in the chouzenshou page it says that super saiyan 4 is the greatest of the SUPER SAIYAN forms and despite SSG's name being "super saiyan" god it is much more akin to a base saiyan that is a god and not a super saiyan form in and of itself. Can't say for entirely sure but just wanted to note that it could slightly change the argument
@SSGFlare
9 ай бұрын
I agree he would beat battle of gods Goku (Except I disagree that God is weaker than SSJ4), until Battle of gods Goku absorbs Super Saiyan God to his base, after that its an easy win for Canon Goku.
@nikospatouxeas4877
9 ай бұрын
Also, the afterlife is not just infinite in size, it's a trancedential realm that has surpassed the concepts of space and time. Traversing it could be argued for infinite speed or even more tbh
@julbot1
9 ай бұрын
Just wanted to spitball something here. I think Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta might be in a kind of Super Saiyan God state. That's why he has red hair in that form. While I know it's entirely coincidental, I think it would be a neat thing that fusing two Super Saiyan 4s has the same effect as the Super Saiyan God ritual.
@sc.s3019
9 ай бұрын
Not only that but notice that earlier Goku goku received power from Gohan, Goten, Trunks and Pan, and you could say Vegeta was the fifth saiyan added to the energy pool when fusing with Goku, which could had made Gogeta an hybrid of ss4 and ssg, just a fun theory
@Necronoxicon261
8 ай бұрын
I quite like this theory thank you for sharing@@sc.s3019
@ModernAegis
6 күн бұрын
The way I see it, Omega Shenron had to put forth effort to create something that could wipe out the whole of Universe 7, while Beerus almost did that by accident while holding back. Via transitive property, BOG Goku should at the very least have a chance.
@Br0ku
5 күн бұрын
@@ModernAegis no just by existing he was going to destroy U7
@PartofHistory214
3 күн бұрын
There was no effort. He was standing still and laughing
@ModernAegis
3 күн бұрын
@@Br0ku That just feels wrong. And also, if his sheer existence will destroy the universe, A, where is the evidence of its progression, and B, why fight at all?
@Br0ku
3 күн бұрын
@@ModernAegis the evidence of his progression is literally shown in the episodes and stated. Omega still enjoys to fight, remember he’s taken on the energy and will of the dragon balls that were influenced by Z fighters wishes. Also, if he doesn’t fight then he could be stopped, as if he’s killed then he loses.
@ModernAegis
3 күн бұрын
@@Br0ku What I meant was the progression of the destruction of the universe. And why just Earth’s Dragon Balls specifically mean every other planet has to die. What about Porunga? When are we gonna get Omega Porunga, hm?
@kennyhamilton1201
8 ай бұрын
Honestly this just sounds like copium because you like it more than super
@Br0ku
8 ай бұрын
Sounds like you're mad
@kennyhamilton1201
8 ай бұрын
@@Br0ku nice come back 👍
@mariogomez8242
9 ай бұрын
I like the video the only problem is where he states kid bu is stronger than a buuhan which is none sense
@Br0ku
9 ай бұрын
it isn't in th anime. There are over a dozen statements that Kid Boo is the strongest Boo, even feats.
@thefirstprime0124
9 ай бұрын
@Br0ku im sure they just mean the most dangerous like hes Unstable which is very true
@Br0ku
9 ай бұрын
@@thefirstprime0124 that’s not what is stated
@omega7057
9 ай бұрын
@@Br0ku ok let's see, boo is fighting ssj3 goku, vegeta says they are on par, he previosly stated that he might be weaker than Gotenks ssj3, who's on par with super boo How the fuck does it makes sense that boohan is weaker than ssj3 Goku? Even if we take the filler that you use to proclaime statements, Goku fights in ssj3 vs boohan, and has to run away to find vegeta
@ACertainMan
7 ай бұрын
@@omega7057Goku was capping the entire arc to hype up the side cast and make them step up to defeat the threat.
@soloodeep
7 ай бұрын
How I think about it is that the oracle fish would’ve brung up ssj4 or at least hinted it to beerus. Instead he woke up looking to find and fight a ssg.
@Br0ku
7 ай бұрын
That logic shoots itself in the foot.z
@venousextraordinaire6386
8 ай бұрын
In regards to the base GT Goku feat at the end of the Shadow Dragon Arc, it’s heavily implied that Goku at this point has fundamentally changed in the sense that he is no longer “living” but not necessarily “dead.” He makes a vow to Shenron in order to finish the fight and leaves, but the biggest implication that Goku is moving on to another place besides otherworld is the clothes he leaves behind and him vanishing. So there’s potentially the fact that him tanking Omega’s blasts were closer to a sort of Hax rather than raw durability, but everything leading up to that point implies that Goku had immense growth that just didn’t exist in BOGs.
@nomercyinc6783
8 ай бұрын
gt aint canon so nothing in gt ever even happened. daima and gt and heroes are all fucking garbage
@luckyloser1946
8 ай бұрын
@@nomercyinc6783 super isn't Canon either, and seeing how Z ended, GT is actually the closest thing to being a sequel so it's far more likely to being Canon than super is
@luckyloser1946
8 ай бұрын
@@nomercyinc6783 I agree that heroes is garbage tho, haven't seen Daima yet to give my opinion of it, but it looks like a terrible idea for the series
@VillainDeku1
8 ай бұрын
@@luckyloser1946 How the f*ck isn´t Super Canon? I do agree that Heroes is just Fan Service trash tho.
@SpiralSkylines
8 ай бұрын
@@luckyloser1946You stupid? Super is very canon.
@LavaCreeperPeople
9 ай бұрын
Super saiyan 4 is cool, but gets one shot end of story
@thedarknessinthelight9824
9 ай бұрын
*god
@TheSuperGoober
9 ай бұрын
Nah
@uasyagrutch7406
9 ай бұрын
one shot god, agreed.
@SmartAlec86
8 ай бұрын
Saying that Super Saiyan 4 is the ultimate form of Super Saiyan may simply be an admission that Super Saiyan God isn't actually a Super Saiyan form. Considering that Super Saiyan God doesn't have the same hair as Super Saiyan, and Super Saiyan Blue is Super Saiyan stacked on Super Saiyan God, I think that Super Saiyan God is only Super Saiyan in name only. In my opinion, God Ki isn't that well explained about what it is or how powerful it is in relation to Normal Ki.
@mayojar5264
9 ай бұрын
an excellent video I'm glad this ridiculous stigma that gt is inferior to battle of gods characters has now been properly debunked.
@Austinfdp
9 ай бұрын
so ss4 can fight beerus lol
@reactionlessssbu-clips2723
8 ай бұрын
I don't remember seeing any statement of ssj4 fullpower being x10 stronger than ssj4, it was more implied to being closer in power, seems too high balled
@Br0ku
8 ай бұрын
It’s stronger than a regular SSJ4’s x10 kamehameha that’s why
@reactionlessssbu-clips2723
8 ай бұрын
@@Br0ku kinda hard to take GT seriously when goku kept getting x10 stronger over his previous self in shadow dragon saga especially from base form being x10 stronger than his ssj4 form, like at that point the writing was thrown out the window
@Br0ku
8 ай бұрын
@@reactionlessssbu-clips2723 I’m assuming you don’t take Super seriously either ?
@missyummy1040
9 ай бұрын
Amazing as always, though design wise i like 4 more, better than just simple hair color (Medaka box pwease(
@JJFN-zm3ky
9 ай бұрын
first.. Base super goku solos all of gt
@Br0ku
9 ай бұрын
Nuh-uh
@Oxdeiim
9 ай бұрын
flop
@Pettam713
9 ай бұрын
@@Br0ku For once I kinda have to disagree with ya bro, gt goku is not on the same level of destruction as bog goku, as bog's goku's strength is much more impressive than in the end of gt goku's (taking context of omega shen's strongest attack)/best feat, which people say is universal or uni+, but to an unquantifiable degree. We have bog goku negging the entire macrocosm which is low multiversal, and on the other hand, gt goku going against omega with omega's power capping at destroying the LIVING universe Alone OVERTIME. So bog goku should still be able to take this still, not mentioning his base absorbing the god power and said power on top of stacking it on again... I just don't see a way for Gt goku to win this, as much as I love him
@Br0ku
9 ай бұрын
its almost like you didn't watch the video. Omega's attack was going to the Kaioshin realm, meaning it is is also Multiversal, and its quick because Kai wanted to run away. Limiting it to the living world is ignorant. @@Pettam713
@jschannel6319
9 ай бұрын
Even so, that is still a multiversal feat, with the macrocosm including multiple realms like Heaven, Hell, the Demon Realm, etc. with Yī Xīng Lóng threatening to destroy all of it in a relatively short amount of time, considering how long he could live for.
@kristtiandragzard1647
9 ай бұрын
This is actually so wrong lmao Not only takes things out of context or completely misleads what the guides say of Ssj4, but nerf the hell out of god form and these characters to a laughable degree. I can agree to some degree the base form vs base form, but pushing this narrative ssj4 has a stronger ki than the god form is actually pretty ignorant
@ningnings_randomworld
9 ай бұрын
Dragon ball has been universal+ since frieza saga, arguably since garlic junior. I think the outerversal arguments have a lot more evidence than most people realize, though I do understand why people dont like those arguments
@sonicknuxgames5776
9 ай бұрын
Yeah, im not a big fan of the Outerversal argument for Super Goku, The only Goku that I agree being outerversal Is Xeno Goku.
@Shadow-mr3uj
9 ай бұрын
@@sonicknuxgames5776there is also cc goku but for me super goku is complex multiversal at most
@ericksantos4555
8 ай бұрын
No it hasn't. Name one Universal feat in the Trunks Ark, or any arc in Z.
@Tonba1
6 ай бұрын
To add on to the base vegetto vs buu thing, in the manga vegetto wastes no time going super saiyan he changes right off the bat
@nora-yc6fi
9 ай бұрын
Regardless of what you think about who is stronger, or which series you prefer It is crazy that it took Super coming to an end (the anime I mean) for people to take GT scaling seriously Rather goofy
@SpiralSkylines
8 ай бұрын
GT doesn’t exist, that’s most likely why. Super ended and people got so desperate for content that they went back to that garbage fanfic show to use head canon power scaling in an attempt to salvage anything meaningful from that abomination.
@Chronoic
7 ай бұрын
I dont know the scaling in Super is goofy too. SS god was hyped in the movie, they then got a new form, and then all of a sudden all the fighters who use to not even be close to SSJ2 now are close to SSJ Blue.
@SprayInk-Kreatïv-Nouveau
8 ай бұрын
SSJ4 Fanon multipliers go up between x500 to x4000, But I'm surprised that Goku didn't take fusion into account to fight Beerus, which would mean that it wasn't enough, they needed something stronger. The majority of the community agrees that Vegito is basically the sum of the power of both individuals in Ssj, that would be a x(50x50)=x(2500) multiplier just as Base Vegito. Then when multiplying for a Vegito SSJ it would be multiplying x50 again, so it would be a 2500x50= x125,000 multiplier. a supposed vegito ssj2 would be x250,000 and a not that possible ssj3 would be a x1,000,000 multiplier. If Goku never took Vegito into account against Beerus, it would mean that he trusted the SSJ God to be more powerful. So the minimum multiplier for Goku to reach divine power is x1,000,000 to the Base form. Ssj God = Base x 1M (This is just my theory/opinion)
@darthpunk3510
8 ай бұрын
Wow GT fans be reaching hard theses day 😂
@NoFreedoms-f1d
4 ай бұрын
Ssj4 vs ssb fought so....
@smitterkyo1959
8 ай бұрын
It's interesting to see this kind of take because I've always loved the original SS4 transformations and fusion as an older fan. But to see the way this gets broken down really goes to show how the differences in age don't translate well. Granted now it all about the "multiverse" I feel like the thought process behind the GT universe if it was to be remade or updated today(20 years later) would outright obliterate the form that it is currently which would question why super would even be a thing. if not solely for the involvement of the "Gods" Also the really only useful part to the Divine Ki from the SSG base transformation I feel would only be it's regenerative capability. But yea. I've always felt that SS4 would crush SSG hands down.
@TheUKisThere
8 ай бұрын
Yep. I don’t understand why everyone feels, otherwise. In pit ups, I see people decide SS4 loses to SSG. Goku from GT is waaay older and hasn’t been slacking in his training. Super just got finished with the Buu stuff lol.
@elvangulley3210
8 ай бұрын
No he wouldn't ss4 is weak
@novacore4597
8 ай бұрын
@@elvangulley3210exactly ssg slaps ssj4
@TheLastMelon92
8 ай бұрын
This makes sense. Ss4 was the endgame power up for gt. Ssg was just the start of super.
@azimuddin1890
8 ай бұрын
Yee, plus God shouldn’t be that much stronger than S.S.3.
@Timmyk987
5 ай бұрын
I think the reason GT is stronger is simply the time. Think about it this way in dbz how many times do you see goku get exponentially stronger than give him the 20 years or something for GT and he is going to heavily out-scale his previous forms in base alone. Also I think the ssg transformation multiplier is highballed my theory is that ssg was stronger than a fusion because of absorbing God ki into all forms which is why the more he absorbed and got use to God ki the stronger he got. He finally fully absorbed/got use to this power and his base form alone was stronger than the god transformation (ssg still stronger than ssj3) although similar to ui, when he is using ssg he can use god ki more effectively. This is why at the in super he was strong enough in base to stop beerus' strongest attack up to that point. You can see later when he is versing kefla that the ssg is a very powerful transformation but alone not enough to be a fusion multiplier it is ssg as well as the use of God ki that because the god ki strengthened goku significantly.
@maku3857
9 ай бұрын
Man is speaking facts but do you know were I can find the statement from the show runner saying z movies are canon to gt
@Br0ku
9 ай бұрын
I’ll be making a video on it
@mps0715
9 ай бұрын
I just wanted to point out 2 things: 1- Kid Buu is weaker than Buuhan, it doesn't make sense for a character who gets stronger by absorbing people to reach his strongest form when he loses all his absorptions. 2- Super Goku doesn't have his God power in his base, the Beyond form was retconned. Anyway, great video Broku, its good to finally have someone to really get into it and dont just accept what everyone else is saying about Ssj4. Extra: Why people say that Cell is Solar System Level when he said he would destroy the Solar System with 1 Kamehameha, a Kamehameha that is a small, straight-line attack, while the planets were not aligned and he wasn't even shooting in the direction of the Sun (as far as I remember). I think that should make him superior to Solar System level, right?
@SleepingSoulK
9 ай бұрын
In the anime Goku does have it in his base it was shown in the anime and was never contradicted
@shironeko1843
9 ай бұрын
True, and it makes no sense that Goku in SS3 who was surpassed by both Gotenks SS3 and Ultimate Gohan, a few hours later is stronger than Buuhan.
@mps0715
9 ай бұрын
@@shironeko1843 And the only reason he was having trouble with Kid Buu was because he was tired, wich makes the end of buu saga even worse, like...senzu beans? Gohan right there at 100%?
@LegendarySSJackson
9 ай бұрын
Kid Buu stomps. You see the guide statements and quotes *in the video*
@mps0715
9 ай бұрын
if it contradicts what is shown...then it doesnt count. Kinda reminds me of the Planetary Bijuu Dama...
@selendile030
8 ай бұрын
Hot take: Goku and Vegeta are the weakest characters in DBS… They train for YEARS with gods and angels. Spend years in the hyperbolic time chamber. And devote their entire lives to training…. And an untrained gohan super passes them with no effort. Future trunks as SS2 super passes SSB. Piccolo is a similar story. The other universe’s Saiyans turn SS2 without hardly trying when it took goku and vegeta years. They then gave goku a run for his money. On top of that, countless people are on SSB goku and vegetas level without god ki. Super made goku and vegeta literally the most pathetic characters.
@stevenwolfe3610
9 ай бұрын
Wasn't base Goku from the start of GT, as strong as ssj3 Goku from Buu saga, essentially making him as strong as base Vegeto from the Buu saga too? When was it the official source changed to no longer reflect that?
@xXSonTJXx
9 ай бұрын
15:11 ehh the use of this and the protrayal of the forms in DBH as form multiplier guess is pretty flawed imo I do agree they are both at least multiversal but that argument is not the greatest Not to mention the idea of SSJ3 Goku being Vegito level because of ridiculous anime statements that contradict the anime itself with SSJ3 Goku losing quicker to Buutenks than Ultimate Gohan lol
@dsm2417
9 ай бұрын
The daizenshu referred definitive as the last for of saiyans in GT as ot states right there. BoG in base can one shot the macrocosm many times. Even games say SSg is stronger than ss4 twice in xenoverse
@jersont.3339
9 ай бұрын
They changed the line, stupid decision but they did it
@CornaOnTheCob
9 ай бұрын
Xenoverse 2 also compares blue and 4, during the mission when you go to Whis' staff room thing, and DBS Goku and Vegeta go ssj4 and they fight their blue counterparts. I personally wouldn't use video game adaptations, as my source; especially when they change on the fly.
@om9959
9 ай бұрын
@@CornaOnTheCobwell game version,goku ss4 also absorbed god ki.Which gt version didnt?
@shadowassasin7312
9 ай бұрын
You didn't mention goku absorption of god ki after fighting beerus when comparing base forms, are u leaving that out do to goku not shown being able to access god form at will right after?
@Br0ku
9 ай бұрын
Is god absorbed super Saiyan, super Saiyan god? NO This is super Saiyan 4 vs super Saiyan god.
@eye-chan1711
8 ай бұрын
@@Br0ku ?? What they’re saying is SSG Goku would be stronger after absorbing the power of SSG because Goku’s base is stronger. Of course if we compare the strongest version of SSJ4 to the weakest version of SSG then SSJ4 would win. Literally in the BoG there is a form of SSJ that is stronger than SSG. If you took base Goku from later in the Super manga then he would literally be stronger than the weakest form of SSG. This whole video seems very biased and wrong imo.
@Br0ku
8 ай бұрын
LMAO How in the world is "God-infused SUPER SAIYAN" the same as Super Saiyan God? You are literally shifting the entire topic of the video to something else and saying that I am wrong. SUPER SAIYAN GOD Vs Super Saiyan 4. I state in the video that people think just regular SSJG Goku in Battle of Gods solos GT. I've been around the DB YT scene since 2016 and people would argue that. I'm debunking the idea that the weakest version of SSJG beats SSJ4. You literally state: " Of course if we compare the strongest version of SSJ4 to the weakest version of SSG then SSJ4 would win." You are literally stating in one breath that my video is correct, in the other, saying I'm wrong and biased. Make it make sense. @@eye-chan1711
@eye-chan1711
8 ай бұрын
@@Br0ku I’m talking about SSG goku who has SSG absorbed into his base form… so Goku using SSG after the fight with Beerus. He would be exponentially stronger than Goku first using SSG. If you’re talking about a fight with GT Goku and super Goku(first getting SSG)… I think it’s kind of important to mention Super Goku would get an insane boost in power to his base form if GT Goku didn’t beat him by then. He could then immediately stack SSG on top of that again. That is unless we’re assuming Super Goku will just never de transform from SSG and has infinite stamina. I also think bringing in base GT Goku taking the blasts from Omega at the end of GT isn’t really fair for power scaling. I think most people take that as Goku ascending because he died. I could see either way, but wouldn’t consider it reliable. I’ve also seen pretty convincing evidence that Omega was not trying to actually win against Goku/Vegita. More that he was trying to get everyone to see the error of their ways. He never actually goes for the kill in a fight. Even Mr. Satan was able to tank one of his punches. Assuming that Goku was ‘tanking’ Omega’s attacks in base is very shaky evidence imo. For both reasons above. Can we please get a video on why GT Satan beats SSG goku?
@Br0ku
8 ай бұрын
You mentioned Goku using SSJ in his god infused base. And then mentioned later versions of GOku using SSJG after absorbing SSJG. Both of these are NOT the SSJG being referenced in this video. I didn't mention Goku absorbing SSJG because SSJ4 defeats him anyways. GOku's power ascending because he died makes zero sense. Not only do dead characters have scaling in DBZ (literal afterlife tournaments) but we have statements in the anime that Vegeta came back stronger when he came back to life. There are a bunch of crazy shit like that happens in DBZ franchise. Just because Satan survived doesn't mean anything. Even if he wasn't trying to kill Goku, his AP wasn't enough to stop him without killing. So nope, actually, its not shakey at all. In fact, it's even more supported by the fact that before that, Goku was able to resist Omega's Negative Energy Ball... in base before this AND him having crazy power progression throughout GT making insane boosts in little time incredibly consistent. . @@eye-chan1711
@DaiKaijyuu
6 ай бұрын
man idc how strong SSJ4 is, it's my favorite transformation and looks clean af I wish they would bring it into the main series.
@christiancinnabars1402
9 ай бұрын
I still do believe that SSJG as a form is stronger than SSJ4, since SSJ4 being the "ultimate" form can have a lot of different meanings, especially when translations and original meanings are put to question ("Ultimate" could easily just mean that no form comes after it, as SSJ4 - not counting the basically more powered up iterations of SSJ4 - is the end of the line for "standard" Super Saiyan forms. And since _many_ forms come after SSJG, it just wouldn't be the ultimate form no matter its multiplier). But regardless the SSJ4 downplay I've seen over the years is downright insane. Stuff like _Buu Saga_ Vegito being stronger than any iteration of SSJ4 Goku or SSJ4 only being 10x SSJ3 baffles me. You'd have to not know anything about Baby Vegeta to think either of those are true.
@IrunokhaiDaniel
8 ай бұрын
Despite the scaling, narratively speaking, ssj god is written to be stronger than ssj4. The form was created to be the ascension of the saiyan race while ss4 was made to be the pinnacle of it. Ssjg was literally made just to introduce god ki and fight beerus lol Cool vid btw👍
@phenomenon5349
8 ай бұрын
I mean GT isn't toriyama's story so I don't think he would make ssj4 a part of his plot. There are vivid transformations, overall god ki is versatile and is part of Saiyan history and culture. I don't think ssj4 matters now considering we have ultra instinct and ultra ego and also gohan's beast form which I think Goku, Vegeta and gohan would further develop. It was certain that the future of the power levels and plot will be different ever since toriyama introduced super.
@Midtier_Fortune
3 ай бұрын
We need an interview where the current owner of DB just says what's stronger than what
@azimuddin1890
9 ай бұрын
Here’s what I think on this…I mean it makes sense. I would’ve preferred had S.S-J.God be stronger than S.S-J.4 though. But besides which form is stronger, it makes sense to me that Gokou through G.T, at least by the Bebi Saga, would be stronger than B.O.G’s Gokou in the anime. I’m gonna do a rogue scaling on how strong Gokou got over time, up until he fought Bebi. It won’t be exactly accurate, again, it’s just a rough scaling. By the way, this is based off the Z anime, not Z Kai. Boo Saga, Base Gokou - 1 S.S-J.3 - 400 End of Z, Base Gokou - 800, Sayian Scholar (sorry for mispronouncing his Y.T name) made a video on how Base Gokou is stronger than S.S-J.3. Start of G.T, Base Gokou - 1,000, low-balling here, don’t know how strong Gokou got. S.S-J.Grade.4 - 50,000 Kamehamehawave - 125,000 Lord Lood lvl.3 - 250,000 Sigma Force fused - 750,000 General Rildo - 1,500,000 Base Gokou - 2,700,000 S.S-J.Grade.5 - 270,000,000 Base Gokou - 400,000,000 This is the part where it gets messy to me, so it won’t be too accurate, go watch Sayian Scholar’s scaling video, again I mispronounced his Y.T, I’m sorry. Base Goten - 20,000,000,000 S.S-J.Grade.4 - 1,000,000,000,000 Bebi controlling him - 2,000,000,000,000 Base Gohan - 1,600,000,000,000 S.S-.J.Grade.5 - 80,000,000,000,000 Bebi also controlling him - 1.6E14 Base Gokou - 2E14 S.S-J.3 - 8E16 S.S-J.4 - 6.4E20 Full-Power S.S-J.4 - 3.2E22 The numbers are extremely insane, I don’t think S.S-J.God’s multiplier is that great.
@PurpleEyedMint
6 ай бұрын
We gotta stop saying Ssj4 if we're strictly talking about GT Goku. Those are two different things, ssj4 and ssj god are multipliers and which is stronger is determined by that multiplier, not by feats the characters have. Super Goku is just stronger in ssj god vs GT Goku in ssj4. This is just because Super Goku is stronger than GT Goku base to base. In official content like Heroes, and Xenoverse Ssj4 and Ssj Blue are typically shown as equals. And to anyone saying "those aren't canon" neither is GT so that's just not an argument. It's all official content made by the company that owns the rights to the franchise.
@dabotbruh2555
6 ай бұрын
Heroes anime is a promotion for a video game while gt is a non canon dragon ball series. As for multiplier Ssj4 Goku first appearance is 32,000,000 lowballed and it increases the more he uses it because it’s a limit breaker form. Ssj god is 5^5 lowballed and 5^6 highballed multiplier so if Goku in z fought a replica of himself ssj god should win but gt ssj4 should stomp ssj god BOG
@PurpleEyedMint
6 ай бұрын
@@dabotbruh2555 Heroes also has its own manga. It's more than just a promotion it's a complete series. It being a game doesn't change anything, it's official content.
@PurpleEyedMint
6 ай бұрын
@@dabotbruh2555 Also you're just throwing numbers around while no official source gives us what the forms numbers actually are.
@dabotbruh2555
6 ай бұрын
@@PurpleEyedMint I’ll explain tomorrow
@raviranjan9530
9 ай бұрын
To be honest now i really want to know where you would scale comp xeno or cc goku, comp because they have too many Versions and we will be here all day if you did that😂 anyway would make for a fire video
@Br0ku
9 ай бұрын
I have no idea myself. I'm not into that side of DB nearly as much.
@sonicknuxgames5776
9 ай бұрын
I always had CC Goku at High Complex Multi. While Xeno Goku at Outerversal Because of the Big ah Cosmology difference compared to DBS.
@raviranjan9530
9 ай бұрын
@@sonicknuxgames5776 But cc goku literally beat xeno goku in the promotional anime and your scaling is pretty accurate except I think both are at least outer
@raviranjan9530
9 ай бұрын
@@Br0ku If not that the best video idea would be if you could research it (just a request because you guys are the pros) to explain dbh cosmology because I don't think anyone has done a comprehensive explanation of that yet which is why some people underrate or overrate the characters of dbh
@sonicknuxgames5776
9 ай бұрын
@@raviranjan9530 I mean on the games
@LeoLikeNoOther
7 ай бұрын
See you juat have poor takes. You have a hard time scaling through inconsistent writing. Just like you said kid Buu was stronger than Buuhan, which makes zeros sense unless you specifically go by certain interpetations of what is wsaid and ig ore what is SHOWN.
@nycto5335
2 ай бұрын
I still don't like using Heroes as evidence for SSJ4 being comparable to Blue. It is an arcade card game and its anime, manga, etc. is just marketing. Anyways, I don't like this topic much. Back in the day I'd say "God Ki is a whole different thing" but considering at many points in Super mortals match SSG and SSB well... yeah. Thd topic has a lot of added complexity due to how little planning Dragon Ball usually has. At least in Super. God Ki is supposed to be this different thing and much stronger source of power to the point Goku needs it to even entertain Beerus. Had God Ki kept consistent then I'd more comfortably say SSJ4 is the strongest mortal form available to Saiyans and SSG and beyond which uses God Ki lets them enter a whole different realm of power. But that's not really how it is. Maybe in the manga I guess since Base Goku and Vegeta probably didn't absorb God Ki into Base meaning the forms must beef them up a whole lot more to compensate. But still.
@M3rtyville
7 ай бұрын
I think you missed out the most important thing that debunks the fusion statement: Kefla. Caulifla and Female Broly were both individually weaker than a tired Base Form Goku. The reason they kept up is because Goku trained them mid battle and he was about to knock them out. They fused to Kefla and base Kefla turned Super Saiyan God Goku into a joke. Base Kefla. When turning Super Saiyan Blue, Goku still needed Kaioken to match Super Saiyan Kefla's power and he got 1 shotted by a well timed kick. Also I think it is really hard to scale these forms because they work pretty different. Super Saiyan God isn't even consistent and lots of its feats got retconned or whatever. Super Saiyan 4 not only powers up its user, but also puts them to their physical prime. The reason Goku gets the body of an adult back without a tan and Vegeta gets younger.
@JC3178
6 ай бұрын
Great vid, and I agree with you that Kid Buu is the strongest Buu. I might use some of your sources for my own video later on!
@jasontodd359
4 ай бұрын
If you look at gt as canon. Goku has determined that ssg, ssb, and ui, are all inferior to ss4. Because gt would take place after dbs in the timeline and goku doesnt bother with any of the god forms. (I know they werent invented when gt came out. But point still stands)
@KeizerZX
3 ай бұрын
@ragedtrunks yep it has Z filler and it's films as extra scaling
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