Love it. What's even MORE weird about that last 100 years are the middlemen that popped up and started convincing artists that they should give them their art in exchange for a little money and then the middlemen would keep the majority of the money to distribute it, which was a large and costly undertaking. Before that time there was no way to distribute to a mass market and now with the internet that distribution difficulty and cost has gone to near free.
@johnnyphever
8 жыл бұрын
Wow I'd never thought of it like that, dude you are brilliant.
@jpnavarromusic
3 жыл бұрын
You know what's weird? The fact that I've been following Pomplamoose since I saw the version of EWF's "September" back in 2010, then found out about Patreon and thought it was an incredible idea around 2017, recently discovered Scary Pocket's funk versions of my all-time favorites and then realizing YOU WERE BEHIND ALL OF THAT. HOLY SHIT even writing about it gave me the goosebumps. Yesterday, I've started my KZitem channel because of you man. Thanks Jack, from the bottom of my heart.
@CurtisThorpe
8 жыл бұрын
Jack, this is super awesome. Thanks for the history lesson!
@AbsoluteWrongChannel
8 жыл бұрын
Your music videos are the reason why I started learning cinematography. Your videos are the best. I cannot thank you enough for all the inspiration. Keep hustlin'!
@jeremyandrebecca
8 жыл бұрын
The modern system of "creating things that people will buy" has actually had a profoundly negative impact on art because many artists have limited their expression to only what the masses will buy. Thus, much art is lost to commercialism. Patreon is a great step toward reversing this trend and restoring pure expression to artists. Thanks Jack! :-)
@JulieWolf
7 жыл бұрын
very good point to add to this awesome video rant.
@striderz69
8 жыл бұрын
First of all, I love you and your work Jack and am a longtime fan - met you at your Philly concert on your first tour. You and your better half are amazing! All that said, it still requires THINGS to distribute your music, but many middle men have been cut out of the pie. The internet isn't free to maintain or provide. Computers and speakers are required to reassemble the digitized ones and zeros to reproduce your music. Unless you are willing to go to people's houses and play for them, THINGS will still be needed. All that said, I agree with your main point, music and art are reverting (devolving) back to a more natural subsidized format since the advent of the internet. I love it! That background music- made me feel funny, and not in a good way :)
@CryptoAvengerTV
6 жыл бұрын
Great rant and true description of the history of art through patronage!
@mrclucker1969
8 жыл бұрын
I just love the way you are still so passionate about patronage. It is just soo right to give money to people that do something you think is great and want them to do more of - it is like a personal 'Thanks' to the artist. The music 'industry' in the last decade just got greedy and aimed at volume sales rather than genuinely good stuff - Patreon is changing that back to how it should be, rewarding and encoraging awesome artists. Thank you Jack for loving what you do and what other artists do!
@aIphanation
6 жыл бұрын
Your creativity beats my creativity.
@einarwestlund
6 жыл бұрын
I really like the strangeness of your videos. Not weirdness but strangeness. As I distinguish these words as weird always has a negative tone while strange I feel is different, often in a interesting way. Great job once again!
@littleripper312
3 жыл бұрын
What I found weird was sites used to pay me like $30 per million reads/views before and now that patreon put pressure on everyone I'm now suddenly getting like $2k per million. I was obviously was getting screwed out of thousands per month before... It's frustrating and I try not to think about those years and just be thankful things have changed.
@iamoneabe
6 жыл бұрын
You gotta come give that pitch to Finland. Here receiving money for no physical product is legally considered begging - which is against the law.
@BAwesomeDesign
8 жыл бұрын
Well, we were putting paintings on physical media that could be carried away. But yes... mass production is what changed. Picasso wasn't mass producing paintings back in the day.
@msklug
8 жыл бұрын
Partreon should start giving away branded bags for patrons to put their money in. I feel like I'd give away more of my money if I could carry it around in a bag like Jack mentioned.
@RachelRyann
8 жыл бұрын
This is so interesting!!! I've wanted to do a video talking about this for ages I have to get around to it. We need to change our whole perspective of what's worth money and what isn't, we're consuming so much content and we're fine with paying netflix and spotify for it (even though artists make very little from this) but people who consume just as much content on KZitem, which is all being made by usually one person not a team, aren't willing to pay the creators they love, but in the same breath they'll give out about people doing sponsored content which they need to do to make a living! I also think if more people paid for content especially on youtube it would become less commercial and it would give creators more freedom to do whatever they wanted!
@KACZMARCZYK4369
6 жыл бұрын
every tech ceo should have a youtube channel
@falamble
8 жыл бұрын
In the holacratic pirate crews of the 1600s-1700s, musicians would get an equal share of all profits, as well as a special exemption to rest on sundays
@TilakDutta
6 жыл бұрын
Hi Jack. I just discovered your channel and I am amazed at the quality of your videos. Your video to Casey is what brought me here but I think your videos are more pithy and leave me thinking about something that makes my life better in practical ways. Thanks for your great work.
@MetalForBreakfast
6 жыл бұрын
Dudeee this is so GREAT! 🙌
@WW2HistoryHunter
6 жыл бұрын
you are so insanely inspiraional and Learning something every time watching. Thanks and Greetings from WW2HistoryHunter.
@TheBossVlogs
6 жыл бұрын
Dude you’re blowing my mind! Such a good communicator! Man you’re a bossvlogger and I’m going to be joining your app. You’re not weird... and although there is so many that believe the crap out of the “thing” I believe in what you’re saying and since you’re already doing your thing I’m going to do mine. Thank you for being you. Patreon is my next move. I hope to prosper there. I believe in your styles!!
@neemiasteixeira
8 жыл бұрын
To me, it seems like the most "important" thing so to speak that happened in the last 100 years is actually energy. Humans found a way to generate and store energy, and that basically changed absolutely everything in society, which explains pretty much all you said.
@AlexRettig
8 жыл бұрын
I would love to learn more about the history of patronage, are there any resources you could recommend?
@BAwesomeDesign
8 жыл бұрын
Just to add-- Patreon creators who do drawings/paintings/digital artwork *are* using Patreon as a paywall, because they will tease the artwork on some external site and then tell everyone that they'll get the full version in the Patreon feed once they've signed up. Then, the content is posted directly in the feed. Or, video artists will simply keep their video content unlisted and only show it to Patrons.
@ashwalk85
8 жыл бұрын
Awesome rant!
@AlvinWillistonDavis
6 жыл бұрын
Loved the music!
@shibuyajin_music
8 жыл бұрын
4:47 I perceive CATAN in the background. Respect just goes up another point. I dream of one day playing catan with Jack. Also, a lot of people complaining about the music. I think it made all more enjoyable.
@MrFloris
6 жыл бұрын
Not only do you pay for "the thing" you are not owning it, and you pay for the license to play it under restricted conditions.
@gedaliaf
8 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry but you say a lot of important things that I can hear but not listen to because of your background music.
@LaneCarter
8 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Please turn the music down.
@ashwalk85
8 жыл бұрын
+Gedalia Foyer indeed
@djericjames
8 жыл бұрын
+Gedalia Foyer +1 This music and recent music choices on this channel make the content less accessible.
@flipsi
8 жыл бұрын
+1 It is to obtrusively and loud to act as background music. That can be really annoying.
@einarwestlund
6 жыл бұрын
I found the music made the video very interesting
@Nydus85
8 жыл бұрын
this deserve 10+ milion views
@maninthesuit666
8 жыл бұрын
the music during was really offputing :(
@BAwesomeDesign
8 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Would thumb the video up without the background music.
@paradonym
6 жыл бұрын
I support creators and would stop supporting when theres too few content or quality gets worser... That's not a bad thing because hundrets or thousands of others still supporting because it's good content for them...
@Celestialbluemusic
8 жыл бұрын
😃 Jack on a rant!! Go Jack go! 💙 Patreon. www.patreon.com/CelestialBlueMusic
@aurorajones4837
6 жыл бұрын
Interesting history lesson, well explained! Background music a distraction.
@JulieWolf
7 жыл бұрын
nice!
@RasmusLian
8 жыл бұрын
I don't think there should be barely any music in this vlog at all.
@greob
8 жыл бұрын
Totally agree. Now let's face Patreon's problem: many artists on the site don't play the game you describe, Jack. They use Patreon as a paywall to SELL things. It's not donation anymore, it's a freaking STORE. The whole "tier / reward" thing is broken. That's why I think Patreon might die soon if nothing is made to keep the original, honest vision and philosophy into play.
@ATH42069
7 жыл бұрын
you're cool
@n.grncharov
6 жыл бұрын
U R WeIrD! (but in a good way) (:
@neilbotelho
6 жыл бұрын
How does this guy have so few views?
@kostiemuirhead8187
3 жыл бұрын
Books
@wesleydumar9739
8 жыл бұрын
Hey Jack, if I post a vid response, would you take a look at it?
@wesleydumar9739
8 жыл бұрын
+Wesley DuMar It's up, btw.
@ThatMattGoodMusic
8 жыл бұрын
Speaking of patronage and stuff - are one-off Patron tips any closer to being a thing on Patreon? :)
@dakotabarrett8
8 жыл бұрын
+Matt Good you can set limits and cancel whenever. So it already exist, you just have to stop donating...or just donate directly through paypal if you want.
@ThatMattGoodMusic
8 жыл бұрын
+Dakota Barrett yeah, aware of this, but I think it was something that they were planning on doing as an actual feature?
@SuperJamesus
8 жыл бұрын
jack, man i love you but: its not true that historically the system of patrons, which historically began as church, then aristocracy or royalty as patron for the artist where saying " i like what you do go do more of it" and that there was no payment ! a Patron in their function provided the artist with payment in form of a living, either in form of money or for his living, or his keep from his patron, the artists life within the church or his food and shelter from his land owning gentrified patron. 'artists' were basically surfs, the idea of the 'artist' wouldn't emerge till the enlightenment and art was viewed completely differently prior to this and during and even after the enlightenment in around 1800, which saw the propagation of our modern idea of the importance of the individual, and the idea then of the artist as an individual and as art as even relating to individual expression and experience, both for the artist and art viewer was not an idea even really established until the romantics the first being Beethoven, who's expressionist individual music at the time was considered radical and even disturbing to some! and it took the continued evolution of this idea for the next 100 years, along with the industrialisation of society up until about 1900 for the function of art and artist as an individual to become fully popularised, with industrialisation making art accessible as a mass medium for the first time, the printing press, ( sheet music was widely sold) and later the wax cylinders. prior to this revolution the system of patrons could be seen as one of complete oppression of the individual, one of serfdom with the artist as an ego, or individual having no culturally accepted value at all, with the function of art and artist being one only of functional service to ones patron's needs, which defined what the art infact was, ie. the form of the art itself, church, chant, etc etc.. where individual expression through art was strictly forbidden even seen as sin in the early church, and even the early experimenters with polyphony and counter point in gregorian chant, where seen as heretical.the artist as an individual was essentially a subversive idea and art as a expressionist act was a libertarian even revolutionary act of subversion. my point i don't know but your painting somewhat of a distorted picture out of a the very radical last 200 years, if your still reading i love you even more..
@JacobChrist
8 жыл бұрын
You should use Patreon to fund Patreon.
@JacobChrist
8 жыл бұрын
Are VC's weird?
@MrHerodoto
6 жыл бұрын
He already do this since the beginning.
@paradonym
6 жыл бұрын
btw. has Jack a Patreon user, so we can support his videos?
@basura
3 жыл бұрын
He's the CEO of Patreon, so the money reaches him one way or another 😂
@user-zi1pg3ny7z
8 жыл бұрын
maybe origined from Marcel Duchamp, digitized unreal things to money. Learned from university.
@mb_art_official
6 жыл бұрын
Tried to get your point, but background music, shaking camera and storyline put me off. Sorry Jack
@DopamineOverload
8 жыл бұрын
What I find weird is why did you delete a lot of the comments on your last vlog, particularly the ones mentioning your dad's house and its size? All of us greatly appreciate your artistry and what Patreon does to help artists (unfortunately I have zero patrons but that's beside the point), but... without meaning to sound offensive... have you always come from money, even before Pomplamoose became successful?
@ashwalk85
8 жыл бұрын
+chriscauldermusic I guess that`s why he deleted those comments, he doesn't want to generate that sort of discussion, which is PERSONAL
@JackConteExtras
8 жыл бұрын
+Dan Oliveira what?!? I didn't delete any comments!!!
@ashwalk85
8 жыл бұрын
+JackConteExtras wow then this guy is crazy. Sorry Jack
@DopamineOverload
8 жыл бұрын
+Dan Oliveira Not crazy. Longtime fan, here. There was a comment that a handful of people liked that said something along the lines of "first world problems"... I think like 8 people at least liked it... comment's gone. But I'm curious... that is one hell of a pad that drone is hovering above. A hell of a pad.
@greob
8 жыл бұрын
+chriscauldermusic Couldn't it be that some people flagged it as spam and YT removed it automatically or something? It could have been marked as spam and only removed for public, but still displayed to the video author...
@Leprutz
6 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy people like you inspiring others and all. But I have a problem with your videos. You are super creative, no doubt, you re very hard working, no doubt. I even think your videos are kinda cool, it's the truth and yet I hate your style. Sorry hating is harsh and wrong. It's just... you say so many unnecessary information and you need so much time just get to the point. It drives me crazy. Still a big hank you.
@JustLikeFM
8 жыл бұрын
You say a lot of stuff that makes sense, but you repeat yourself soooooo much. This could've been much more enjoyable to watch in a shorter time.
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