An epic engagement, we could call it the Battle of Jutland or something. I mean, it happened west of Jutland and nothing of note has happened there before 😛
@TortugaPower
Жыл бұрын
Very cheeky
@chrisscott6254
Жыл бұрын
Excerpt from *Naval Battles of the Second Franco-Prussian War* By Hans Melling - Year 19XX ". . . It is quite apparent that in the earliest battles conducted, from the French Coast to the High Seas, the Early German Navy had a singular goal in mind, from what can be described as simplistically as Victory through Audacity. Although it is important to note these battles ended either indecisively, or with a narrow success- it is more important that one looks at the _how_ rather than the why for these battles. Firstly, the Raid on Calais - Supposedly a defeat, however, this view is entirely misconstruing the very important factors that lay in the battle itself. Expectedly, the surprise was one factor- No one Anticipated a small German squadron to try and raid, especially not within the second day of the war itself (the War started officially on the 3rd, and this battle is on the 5th). This, in turn, had French Squadrons unprepared and disorganized, despite their supposed superiority in numbers and theoretically greater quality. But this too had its consequences - overconfidence from the Kapitän zur See of the Lead Ship of the First Battleship Squadron Brandenburg- Krumhaar. The relative size, armament and numbers of the Coastal Defence Ships to the handful of cruisers sortieing from the Port in Calais had led him to underestimate the well-drilled French Protected Cruisers. Especially a Lalande-Class cruiser "Lavoisier". In a single small engagement; A gun and rudder jammed, the Lead ship of her class, the Brandenburg and her sister ship, the Weissenburg somehow penetrated and taking minor flooding, and the opposing Cruiser only took approximately medium levels of damage; It is no coincidence this engagement cemented the need for more capable battleships beyond the existing Coastal Defence Ships of the current Kaiserlichemarine. That being said, the cruisers acquainted themselves well with the combat of the time, and the maneuvers, communications, and flexibility in tactics being conducted in good order lead to the preservation of the force to fight in future battles. Secondly, the minor engagement in the North Sea- first of what would seem to be many - only a handful of weeks until Christmas, this battle would also be a first for the Young Kaiserlichemarine. Among others, it represented perhaps the first torpedo attacks on an Enemy Ship in a real naval battle (Although, perhaps only in Europe proper, with a few exceptions). But many pitfalls await young, inexperienced Historians looking into this subject for the first time, taunting a tendency to deride the so-called "Night Ride of the Cruisers" as ineffective, costly, and an ill-advised idea - However, there is no need to worry, as I shall dispel many a myth. Firstly, one has to consider the technology of the Torpedoes and their effectiveness, _during their time_ of production. For the time, these were the best the Kaiserlichemarine and the Marine Nationale, could offer. Furthermore, one also has to consider the _time_ - the conditions of the battle, and the weather. It is, was, known as the "Night ride" for a reason- and despite its theoretical ineffectiveness it still enacted its main purpose, which was to _distract_ the main force from attacking the slower Coastal Battleships, and the main force. In this, they performed beautifully. Furthermore, their actions also inspired Kapitän zur See of the Armoured Cruiser Freya- Buddecke- of the Cruiser Division to turn back to assist the small cruisers in the fight. Moreover, despite the wild uselessness of the early torpedoes, they still packed quite the explosive charge- but _much_ more deadly was the psychological factor it dealt - both on the enemy and on its captains. It gave quite the wrong confidence to the cruisers- emphasizing a "Fortune Favours the Bold" attitude, Victory to the Bold- but also dealt a significant blow to the enemy formation, panicking them. Had they decided to not launch torpedoes, the Armoured cruisers and the protected cruisers may not have been able to exploit its weakness . . . On more unfortunate things, a one-in-a-million collision took place, between the cruisers Hamburg and the Isly- of the Surcouf class. Grimly speaking, it was a rather fair trade- the hit allowed the Heavier cruisers to catch up and pound the smaller cruiser relatively easily - _and_ hammered the point home that the Kaiserlichemarine desperately needed better torpedoes. But carrying onwards, these small battles, indecisive or victory, bought vital time for the new generation of Germany's newest cruisers- the "Volgalands" and "Schildkrötes " classes awaited their own tests on the High Seas . . ."
@mateorondon5291
Жыл бұрын
Welp, I'd made a comment inspired by this of a youtube naval historian's take on the 'battleships', buuuut it got completely erased somehow. Oh well
@cycholka
Жыл бұрын
Berlin, November 1891, Secretariat of Foreign Affairs -Herr Hollmann? A surprise indeed. What do I owe the pleasure? -Just a courtesy visit my friend. You and yours did a magnificent work the past year, and it would be uncouth not to recognise that. I offer my heartfelt gratitude, the time you bought us is priceless. -You praise us to much. The late great Chancellor left us a solid framework to dealing with the French. Failing in spite of that would be criminal. Pray tell, friend, what are your expectations of the whole thing? -War is ever uncertain, even more so with an unknown like von Torturpitz at the helm. We will be blockaded. We should hold our own in the medium term. We may be blown out of the water in first engagement. All is Gods will. Friedrich Von Hollmann paused thoughtfully, then flashed a wry smile -All the same, I am quite optimistic. Wars with France are decided on land and Kaisers army has a fine tradition of beating the blighters bloody. -That it has. Long may it continue. -Indeed. The two were suddenly interrupted by an aide rushing into the room -Secretary von Hollmann sir, an urgent cable from Wilhelmshaven. -Ah, thank you Hans. Let’s see… Friedrich scanned the telegram quickly. A weight seemed to ease from his shoulders. -There was a general engagement near Dunkerque. One sunk French auxiliary, otherwise light damage to both sides. Most excellent news. -May I assume the future is bright? -We shall be fine, Herr Bieberstein. Whatever von Torturpitz is, we may at least be sure now he is not incompetent. The fleet will hold its own, you can now work with that certainty in mind. -Most excellent news indeed. -We shall leave you to your duties. Come Hans, much work awaits us.
@balthron
Жыл бұрын
Great series so far, I am glad that the new RTW games continues the proud tradition of janky engine coding.
@ThunderRod
Жыл бұрын
Can't wait to see how combat works
@arildboes
Жыл бұрын
Yes! Love the series. It was TortugaPower who introduced me to RTW originally, and I learned a lot about the game, from the older series. Great content. This is bread and butter to me :)
@MutantGuppyFromHell
Жыл бұрын
Jutland, I believe, is the name of the battle you were trying to think of.
@katrinapaton5283
Жыл бұрын
Tbf the Tage isn't classified as a light cruiser, it's a protected cruiser. Speaks more to its armour layout than it does to a weight class.
@MaxTheMiner1
Жыл бұрын
Really loving this series so far, I'm super excited and can't wait to see how this series goes
@joshstreet6819
Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't want to be the poor officer who has to tell von Tortupitz that the Battleships are nothing but French CL's. Officer: Admiral von Tortupitz the French Light Cruisers are on par as our battleships!
@kmit9191
Жыл бұрын
I believe the demand to sink two ships isn't too bad when because you're outnumbered. You need to sink some of their shipping by poking at them with all you have, while outmaneuvering to safety as far as possible. Sticking at home takes the fight to you instead of neutral/their waters.
@xerty5502
Жыл бұрын
Tend to agree Tortuga hates taking serious risk you could argue this is justified as it is hard to lose when taking few risk but it is also hard to win. Raids in force are also exactly what the German high seas fleet was doing in ww1 up to the battle of Jutland and if the kaiser had not forbade them after it they would likely tried more.
@awordabout...3061
Жыл бұрын
I think the phrase is 'impromptu boarding action'!
@jacopomangini3036
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, if only they added a system to influence the strategy. Like, even a scale of aggressiveness would be good. The better scenario would be a scale of aggressiveness (like one to five, or something like that) and a doctrine to choose every time you go to war. It probably wouldn't be hard to implement, but I guess the hard part would be coding the AI to choose wisely which doctrine and level of aggressiveness for each war.
@OmegaInfinita
Жыл бұрын
Oh thank god I've been hoping for this notification all day!
@OmegaInfinita
Жыл бұрын
Also, another comment to please the algorithm gods, and to ask that at 34:50 - Which *one battle* are you referring to? Coronel? Falkland Islands? 1st or 2nd Battle of Heligoland Bight? Perhaps Dogger Bank? Hmmm... Can't seem to think of any others, at least none that Jutland out to me--
@jaywerner8415
Жыл бұрын
Well, that went as well as could be expected.
@MrPhil360
Жыл бұрын
Hopefully you do go to the missile age I really want to see what can be created with small missile ships. Maybe anti-ship missile corvettes with like 2 missiles a piece?
he does have any battleships, he has costal defense monitors, little more than a armored barge with a big gun.
@Silamon2
Жыл бұрын
It's the kind of ships navies built before predreadnoughts were more standardized. Breastwork monitors were still considered battleships because they were well armored and had high caliber guns. The designs are realistic but should have build dates older than 1889, more like 1870s The first predreadnought style battleships built by Germany were laid down in 1890 so yeah makes sense not to have them at game start in 1890.
@nichtvorhanden5928
Жыл бұрын
If we go after what the Kaiserliche Marine did and tried to do in WWI raids on the enemy coast to lure out portions of the enemy fleet (here the Marine National, history the Royal Navy) are a thing that happend. Think of operations like the raid on Scarborough, Hartlepool and Whitby for example. However not every raid resulted in a battle between the Fleets due to various circumstances like bad wether, fear of having to deal with the entire Grand Fleet instead of a portion of it and others.
@katrinapaton5283
Жыл бұрын
And at Dogger Bank and Jutland they got a little more than they bargained for.
@TortugaPower
Жыл бұрын
Fortunately for Germany of WW1, they had battleships that could offer decent battle. Unfortunately for us, we don't.
@nichtvorhanden5928
Жыл бұрын
@@katrinapaton5283 Dogger Bank was a loss, god Blücher could have been usefull for other things and Jutland is a draw at best.
@nomar5spaulding
Жыл бұрын
@@nichtvorhanden5928 Jutland is pretty uncontroversially a win for the British. Yes, the British lost more ships and men, but the ships they lost were not critical to winning the war. The British also achieved their objectives, which was to continue to dominate the North Sea and maintain the blockade of Germany, which absolutely happened. The Germans, meanwhile, suffered less losses, but more important losses. First Scouting Group was pretty much rendered too weak to really exist in a war against the Royal Navy. The High Seas Fleet was unable to catch an isolated part of the Grand Fleet and destroy it, despite the best efforts of Admiral Beaty and Commander Seymour to give them 5th Battle Squadron on a plate. The end result of the battle was that the Kaiser lost his nerve and the High Seas Fleet rode out the rest of the war at anchor, doing very little to contest Britain's mastery of the seas. The only way Jutland can be considered anything other than a solid victory for the British is in the minds of the general British public in the time close to the battle, where the average man on the street didn't know what was going on or understand that in order to win, you don't always have to kill every enemy in the battle.
@nichtvorhanden5928
Жыл бұрын
@@nomar5spaulding The Kaiserliche Marine lost Blücher therefore Doggerbank is a loss for them and since there are people out there who see Jutland as a win for the Kaiserliche Marine because the RN lost more ships it is at best a draw for the Kaiserliche Marine. I personally think it is a loss for the Kaiserliche Marine due to not achieving their objectives and loosing Lützow. However the real winner of jutland is clearly the international publishing industry.
@theminstrelduck2754
Жыл бұрын
Look at Tortuga trying to get me to comment! Well jokes on him!
@erichammer2751
Жыл бұрын
Arcona now has an Elite crew after winning the gunnery competition.
@connect4419
Жыл бұрын
I'm getting pretty excited for this to come out!
@Acularius
Жыл бұрын
Good ol' Jutland. Take that algorithm!
@jacobktan
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for another one!
@richardprivate5568
Жыл бұрын
good stuff. I am really enjoying the new RTW3, and as always Tortuga, great to watch
@TheGreystroke
Жыл бұрын
the German fleet raided the coast many times to try and draw out the grand fleet this is right up what they would do
@SonesBen
Жыл бұрын
The theme song for that second battle should be Yakety Sax.
@Jasonwkey
Жыл бұрын
Cant wait for release love RTW
@apollo-uz5bq
Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for the Videos
@metiscus
Жыл бұрын
After a ship enters port, I believe it gets simulated for like 200 steps to check if it sinks.
@patricklioneljonson2747
Жыл бұрын
Admiral, We are need more capital ships. As your senior advisor from the Kriegsmarine, I recommended commissioning several heavy tonnage battleships immediately. Also, we have a request from one of our subsidizers, name one of the new class of battleships to Fluch von Frankreich.
@tristinculig3360
Жыл бұрын
at the time he is its not Kriegsmarine its the richsmarine
@nomar5spaulding
Жыл бұрын
@@tristinculig3360 He's actually in the Kaiserliche Marine. It doesn't become the Reichsmarine until the end of WWI.
@Owktree
Жыл бұрын
Given your past issues with using the spacebar expecting it to move just one minute why don't you shift to another key or button push which will explicitly move the battle one additional minute? It might be habitual to use spacebar, but it also seems to be an issue often enough it would be worth learning an alternate procedure.
@imperialporpoise
Жыл бұрын
Sadly, in my experience, the game just acts up with a space bar input. I've played and had a issue where it does run a few minutes when I only mean for 1 minute to pass. Just a weird bug I'm not sure if it's the key or something else.
@JuliusGeezer447
Жыл бұрын
The Whipping Child?!
@JuliusGeezer447
Жыл бұрын
@@nomar5spaulding Indeed. I suspect Tortuga may have confused that with 'Poster Child', which is what amused me.
@TortugaPower
Жыл бұрын
lol, yes I meant whipping boy -- it is a often maligned aspect of RtW, in my opinion
@kotori87gaming89
Жыл бұрын
Another great episode. Now that you've unlocked the "light forces and torpedo warfare" category, here's hoping you actually develop and build a bunch of torpedo-boats. Then you'll have some DDs to throw into the night fights, rather than valuable and expensive cruisers. Jeune Ecole for the win!
@Billy-I-Am-Not
Жыл бұрын
Maybe after this campaign, you could take a look at China. It ought to be a challenging run Edit: Also, if the units in the battle aren't labeled as "AI controlled" I don't think it matters if they're listed as a screen, core, independent, etc
@gerlatdziii
Жыл бұрын
I think it is. As my experience, the ai follows as what you listed it.
@HDreamer
Жыл бұрын
I agree it would be nice to control the strategy, but if you're sending out ships you can always run into an enemy. In fact, most battles being as balanced as the ships in the zone make possible is already unrealistic.
@antonisauren8998
Жыл бұрын
So AI still rams itself into coastline. Autogen patrol boats get light AA guns in 1891. Not much changed since RTW1. :/
@commisaryarreck3974
Жыл бұрын
When I think patrol boat I think of light or heavy machine guns Could be considered light AA
@antonisauren8998
Жыл бұрын
But even then they would lack proper mounts to be considered AA. It's a bug existing since earliest days of RTW2. Generator places AA arment on AI ships before invention of aircraft. It might not be gamebraking, but I was expecting too much with new investors and premiere pushback. It's still RTW2 DLC with steam api after all.
@cragnamorra
Жыл бұрын
Fully agree that a 10% margin is WAY too narrow to determine blockade (and lifting blockade, for that matter). From a theoretical perspective, it just doesn't make much sense; 50% or perhaps 30% would seem much more appropriate. As a practical matter during gameplay, it also leads to rather silly situations where between two similarly-sized navies (say, Italy and AH), blockade can flip back and forth between the two sides every month or two, based on quite modest and temporary changes to the relative OOBs. Instead, with such relative parity, there simply shouldn't be a blockade at all in either direction. It also disproportionately penalizes a strategy of pursuing a smaller but higher-quality force. One could argue - with some validity - that with such a fleet, one could make up for and overcome the blockade penalty by winning battle VP with fewer but superior ships. IF (big if) the battle generator is kind and gives sufficient opportunity to do so. lol but that's a different topic and I've typed enough already. 🙂
@TheMouseMasterYT
Жыл бұрын
So you have a CA named Freya huh? Amusingly, Requin's latest video, he was up against a CA Freya... and it rammed him. You trying to horn your way into his channel? ;p
@lanegillard4144
Жыл бұрын
Can we do another succession series?
@iancotton4963
Жыл бұрын
also any chance of us getting getting added to list of Commander names well as ship names?
@lastresort1plays
Жыл бұрын
Ship name: De Last da Resort
@adrielcamilo2564
Жыл бұрын
As an indie game dev who struggle to keep realism/graphics/interface working together I find amazing that most game dev teams that get far on realism cannot fix an interface! Amazing game, not complaining, but it look so much like the meme of the horse drawing: a perfect drawn horse and the interface part show only to say "horse here".
@Brason22
Жыл бұрын
I just googled the shipname dupetit as I thought it was a form of the word "small". Google translate gives the translation "ass". Hehe (about your first battle in the channel against france)
@BlazeInjun
Жыл бұрын
On a tech cliffhanger. Ugh. Great series as expected. Thank you.
@Davethebalikid
Жыл бұрын
❤
@descriptiondescriptiondescript
Жыл бұрын
rip CL Hamburg
@Seve82
Жыл бұрын
17:07 How is that even possible on ... that weight ship?
@tobysilverstone5297
Жыл бұрын
to work up the algortithm. the battle of jutland?
@Gruoldfar
Жыл бұрын
I'm just noticing the map shows the modern Europe...
@danielenglish3906
Жыл бұрын
Do you mean justland or dogger bank
@berserkerpride
Жыл бұрын
Oh hoh hoh.
@midnightfox6378
Жыл бұрын
Battle of Heligo bight
@MrUnimport
Жыл бұрын
This is why I never much cared for Captain's Mode. You get tons and tons of torp shots compared to default and the game grinds to a halt as the player checks all their ships every frame to see if they can fire. It's a slog and it also feels like it ups the torp hit rate substantially compared to what was intended.
@TortugaPower
Жыл бұрын
Yep, certainly better than historically expected. If the AI launched torpedoes well, I think it'd be easier to persuade myself to go Rear Admiral
@commisaryarreck3974
Жыл бұрын
On one side i fully agree On the other I've done crazy bastard strategies of sending a torpedo cruiser into the enemy battle line making them scatter... Just to have it refuse to fire with enemies and only enemies all around it, had to manually fire torpedo's in a case where firing anything at all in any direction would've had a high probability of a hit
@spartianonwsu
Жыл бұрын
It was jutland bro
@nomar5spaulding
Жыл бұрын
JUTLAND (of course I write this comment just to appeal to the Great Algorithm of The Sea, which nurtures all videos from it's bountiful waters).
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