Many people are calling this "drama" and "picking sides" but I think it's an opportunity to dissect what we do in the gym and why.
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
You understand it perfectly. Your point in your video about how not all content is designed for gen pop lifters was spot on. If there’s any place that’s best to have these discussions, an underground niche channel like mine or even NH to an extent is the perfect spot. Thanks for chiming in, your thoughts are always appreciated.
@OwlScowling
10 ай бұрын
Exactly. Too many people go to the gym, do whatever, don't get the results they want, and finally quit. When you know the destination, the journey is significantly shorter.
@atlaspowershrugged
10 ай бұрын
Pass the popcorn!
@mattc4266
10 ай бұрын
FACTS
@daviddietsch
10 ай бұрын
Yeah problem is it never ends. We already know where both sides stand. It's not complicated, try both and see what works for you. A year of experimenting when in comes to lifting for the rest of your life is not a big deal. Try both, test the fruit on both sides, and the fruit that matches with you will lead with results. Powerbuilding doesn't work for me, but for others it will. I'm not in any camp but think this is the last video I can watch on this subject.
@freakied0550
10 ай бұрын
Psychological fulfillment performance enjoyer checking in. Always fun to hear the other perspective in an area where there is a bunch of overlap.
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
You’re a humble one. Much respect.
@mattc4266
10 ай бұрын
Enkiri and Freakied be watching with the popcorn
@IvanDraco01
10 ай бұрын
@mattc4266 Enkiri has been crying in a dark corner since that NH response to his anime and aesthetics take.
@onetwo8847
10 ай бұрын
It seems kind of strange to me that he acknowledged that the RDL is typically better than a conventional deadlift for hypetrophy, but in the very next sentence stated that barbell squats are superior to hack squats given that hack squats don't place as much emphasis on glutes, adductors and lower back. Isn't the logic behind Hack squats > barbell squats (placing more emphasis on the target muscle - quads) the exact same logic for why RDLs are also better for hypertrophy than conventional deadlifts?
@jcm9890
10 ай бұрын
He contradicts himself a lot. I appreciate he made a response but he also cherry picked NH arguments including looking for older videos that are not related to the topic just to make him look bad.
@brownjenkin3821
10 ай бұрын
Didn’t he also start that section saying NH claimed hack squats are better for the quads? I may be misremembering but found that odd
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
Don’t worry, programming videos are coming back after this. Was thinking about making a video on exercise selection for certain days of a PPL or UL split. Let me know which day you’d want to see first
@SPIDEYFNA
10 ай бұрын
Upper Lower
@Larzo-
10 ай бұрын
Upper Lower =)
@kolawoleroberts1651
10 ай бұрын
Upper Lower
@MohamedNaas2005
10 ай бұрын
You had us in the first half I'm not gonna lie
@nicduusify
10 ай бұрын
PPL, and would be even more fun to explore less popular alternatives to these. I'm a fan of the Arnold/GVS style "torso, arms+shoulders, legs" model and I also love doing push+quads, pull+hams.
@Darmaiad
10 ай бұрын
Your respectful, measured, and insightful take kills off the drama vibe. How am I suppossed to get hyped up to get a curl PR now? On a serious note, thank you for helping us to structure our gym endeavours (goals & methodologies) inside our own head.
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
Yeah I enjoy drama, but I don’t think it’s helpful to the viewers. I prefer a civil debate. Maybe I’ll start screaming in my vids and calling my viewers morons if that helps motivate people!
@Darmaiad
10 ай бұрын
@@BasementBodybuilding please don't. Again, thanks for your take on things.
@atlaspowershrugged
10 ай бұрын
I know right? Dude didn't understand the assignment.
@tim..t175
10 ай бұрын
@@BasementBodybuildingnod to greg Douchette 😅
@DYELectic
10 ай бұрын
I think the most crucial blindspot for those subscribing to science-based lifting to acknowledge is seeing lifting as an individual endeavor. Especially to become advanced, you can't merely reference studies to identify how to escape plateaus, you need nuanced self-reflection. Ultimately, sample size = 1. Same with powerbuilding. Yes, train how you want, no one is denying that, but much of the confusion in this debate has come from definitions of the practise. NH was originally critiquing a very specific tendency of powerlifting when taken as the claim of providing 'the best of both worlds' to produce neither. He often uses the analogy that bodybuilders don't not care about strength, rather it is a means to their end of hypertrophy, and likewise with strength focused lifters, they view hypertrophy as a means to strength. The way that hypertrophy or strength have to be approached when they are means to an end versus as ends in themselves is different - thus as ends, they cannot both be complete. To properly engage with the discussion requires going along with some of the assumptions made by NH, which as he pointed out in his final response many do not do. The scope of his argument rested on individuals being misled by those professing powerbuilding when their goals did not truly align with it, that is convincing people that strength as an end in itself is required, when in reality bodybuilding only requires that it be a means to the end of hypertrophy. The pragmatic argument some make that it is better for beginners to subscribe to powerbuilding to build a base in both rather than not train at all seems flimsy when considering scientific rigor, because I think these are separate discussions that are being brought together to defend powerbuilding when convenient on their own terms. The goal of scientific studies to show general best methods to attain specific goals can only serve as a starting block; just as the massive middleground of powerbuilding between powerlifting and bodybuilding has an individual interpretation for everyone subscribing to it, science cannot be prescriptive for individuals when it cannot know their individual best method to achieve the same goals.
@domepiece11
10 ай бұрын
I think power building is potentially good for beginners. But once you hit intermediate, move to bodybuilding.
@Balakay_Adkins
10 ай бұрын
This was very nuanced and well put, and is exactly what I have been thinking is the issue most people outraged by what NH has to say are failing to consider. You don’t NEED to be a power lifter to be doing the squat bench and deadlift. I certainly don’t powerlift and I have a variation of each of that movements in my program. But it’s also hard to make the case that a program that prioritizes these movements is going to be best for most people. Because for the powerlifting aspect of powerbuilding to work, it has to be made a priority. There’s simply not any other way around that unless you’re a beginner. And why is the performance of your 1 rep max on these three lifts something we suggest to so many people as being the best means of developing strength? There are so many different tools in the gym that can be used for the heavy work in a general strength/bodybuilding program, and powerbuilding is something that arose from an arbitrary placement of 1RM strength on the SBD above all other compound lifts.
@DYELectic
10 ай бұрын
@@domepiece11 yes, a lot of things will still produce progression for beginners so pragmatically it might make sense to sell them on the idea of powerbuilding, so long as they realize that more specialized training will be necessary at the intermediate stage. Bodybuilding doesn't disallow a strength-focused mindset towards it, a "love for strength" as Steve Shaw put it, because there are so many ways to structure training in terms of rep ranges and exercises, and so I think that's why NH isn't against bodybuilding from the start, if the ultimate end is really hypertrophy. Fine to move from powerbuilding to powerlifting too- just be honest with yourself on your goals.
@DYELectic
10 ай бұрын
@@Balakay_Adkins Agreed, its just the difference of whether you treat them as ends in themselves or as means for hypertrophy. They are a lift like any other, just consider all relevant factors when programming them for hypertrophy and there are specific cases where they can all be useful. Of course some variations are going to be better, by nature of wanting to isolate certain muscles in certain cases, but the important thing is to apply the same standards to them as other lifts when it comes to tradeoffs for hypertrophy and not force them in because it's what 'has' to be done. One thing that I find isn't done enough is contextualizing training practices in the whole program - like sure one exercise, rep scheme, or intensity technique might always be 'better' than another if that's all you do on a day, but when applied in different peoples programs it can often have opposite effects (think fatigue management, intra-workout frequency for muscle groups, multiple compound vs isolation biased variations, etc).
@bullinvginshop9011
10 ай бұрын
One of y’all need to put out a power building template called Abomination.
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
Oh shiiit 😂😂😂
@MohamedNaas2005
10 ай бұрын
Chad FlannelMaxxer Vs Virgin PoWeRbUiLdEr
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
Lmao
@LazarusLifts_
10 ай бұрын
Another incredible installment of the NNCU - Noble Natty Cinematic Universe
@LeonGainsborough
9 ай бұрын
LMFAO 💀
@Abdo.R.Mohamed
10 ай бұрын
His point about "How many guys do 5RM on Hack squat to compare yourself too" is ironically enough proving NH's point . So him saying that actually proves that he mostly cares about the Big 3 in the program and that's what most of his focus and Powerbuilders focus are , and that's exactly the issue and the problem with is , because if we went that route : "Ok , so why are u following up your SBD lifts with Curls and machine work after ? , then do Full on Powerlifting because how many guys are training on these machines to compare your strength too ? , instead just do assistant work to drive your SBD up , and u'll also have people do Deficit Deadlifts and SLDL way more than a Hack squat" and here's the issue with the Powerbuilding , it's good on paper but in practice it's not because of the mentality of people using it and yes it's a problem with the method itself not the people ..
@shades4313
10 ай бұрын
100% I think power building on paper/in theory is a good concept, but the problem comes in the way peoples mindset is. Most people put the big 3 in front of everything else and focus on it the most. And then the rest of the program is neglected/thought of as less important. But TRUE power building would be that your arm isolation and whatever else is EQUALLY important as the big 3. Problem is no one thinks of it that way or programs it that way
@Abdo.R.Mohamed
10 ай бұрын
I don't think so , like u said it's good on paper but in practice it's not .. and not it's not the people's fault , it's the program's fault ! the method itself promote that kind of behaviors and mindset so they can't really blame people afterward , even the guy himself defending the practice is also showing the same mindset .. (it's the same as when a commercial gym coach program for a client 2hour run every day with a Bro-split that lasts 3 hours a day , and when the client drop out he tells him "u're not motivated enough) .. the program dictates the mindsets and priorities , for another example , if u program a periodization system on the Big 3 with having certain % or weight jumps every week that u'll have to meet to progress , while u have your Curls as just 3x10 .. u can't really blame people for half @ssing the curls .. it's how the program is set up and how it prioritizing .. @@shades4313
@benamitchell
10 ай бұрын
When I heard Milo's point about "nobody cares about what you lift on a hack squat," I immediately thought about watching AJ hit 7 plates on the Cybex and how fired up that made me to train my own hack squats. Him and Adam were the first two guys that came to mind for me so it was funny to me that you thought the same.
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
Yeah the hack squats was a super ironic answer lol. That’s like the low bar squat of bodybuilding culture
@lorenzoespetxe6481
10 ай бұрын
The fact that you mog him in size in the thumbnail, as do all of the noble nattys, speaks volumes.
@Abdo.R.Mohamed
10 ай бұрын
The Emphasis on the word "Competing , not competing" that he constantly throws in the mix to try to be as passive aggressive as he could is just *Cringe* tbh ..
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
Agreed. Thinking you have to compete in someone else’s federation to be a serious lifter is ridiculous imo.
@Abdo.R.Mohamed
10 ай бұрын
Yes and the way he kept on implying between the lines it is just next level cringe tbh . like respectfully but this guy is delusional honestly and his whole arguments is "Where's the studies , here's my studies" @@BasementBodybuilding
@denebstudios.8018
10 ай бұрын
I think the debate pretty much ended when Milo admitted Powerbuilding won't maximize size OR strength. He's more of a generalist/beginner channel while NH is for people looking forward to being elite at natural bodybuilding. Why would anyone that takes BB or Powerlifting seriously stick to a method that is subpar from the get-go? That's what NH intended when he said it is an abomination. Even if you want to be jacked AND strong (wich is a valid goal and the one I personally lean aswell), if you're not competing (like Milo repeats over and over) why obsess over the big three? Why not do something like Alex Leonidas/Bald Omniman style of training? It doesn't make sense.
@Balakay_Adkins
10 ай бұрын
It’s weird seeing this stance being pushed by a guy with a PHD in this stuff too - you’d think he’d be interested in spreading a message that’s about focusing on methodologies that bring about results, rather than SBD at the start of your session bc other people do them too.
@Abdo.R.Mohamed
10 ай бұрын
And The Answer is : "Because sTuDiEs sHoWeD" haha . how to win an argument 101 in fitness community : "I activate my Studies card" here checkmate . Joke aside , that's exactly what i was screaming over !! Powerbuilding is NOT for people who want a "general goal and a mix of both worlds" , it's for people specifically loving Powerlifting but they wanna do it recreationally and on the side while also having some muscles .. not for gen-pop or the avg person or even people who want to just get Big and strong . because these people (like u said and i have been saying over and over) would be better following a General Strength program or a Hypertrophy program depends on where they fall on the spectrum . so why not get SO STRONG on weight Dips with a rep range from 5-8 for example ? (and NO , Powerbuilding is not a "mindset and a way of life" and to just get stronger , the word Power comes from specifically Powerlifting which is a sport focuses on the SBD) (And i am saying all this as someone who has Squat bench Deadlift in his program btw )
@PotatoSlices
10 ай бұрын
NH made this point about the mantra about "if you don't compete, then you don't need to be so obsessed over maximizing results." He basically said that line of thinking is pernicious because it encourages people to only settle for mediocrity if they are not competing. Basically "you shouldn't strive for greatness simply because you don't compete". I agree with NH on this. If you call yourself a fitness influencer, but you are actively telling people that they shouldn't worry about achieving great results, then you are worthless as an influencer.
@DCJayhawk57
10 ай бұрын
The definition you're all using for powerbuilding is wrong. Steve Shaw invented or popuarlized the term, and it doesn't just refer to the big 3. It's about getting strong on as many movements as possible. Volume is a driver of strength progression. There's no reason a powerbuilding template from this view is any less effective than a bodybuilding one. Funny how some of the most well rounded and jacked natural KZitem guys are also strong. BOM, Alex, Jeff Nippard. Hmmmm. Also everyone needs to stop acting like the fatigue cost of barbell compound movements is something you can't overcome. Your body adapts.
@Balakay_Adkins
10 ай бұрын
@@DCJayhawk57 I have respect for Steve Shaw and definitely agree with you that if we were to all agree upon what Powerbuilding should look like, it’s what he defined it as. But just because he invented the term doesn’t mean he had the last say in what it became. We’re talking about the Powerbuilding methodology that became popular in 2015-2020. A great example of this would be the most popular powerbuilding program sold, Jeff Nippard’s. Or Omar Isaf’s. THIS is the methodology that most people are familiar with when the term powerbuilding is used, and it’s what is the subject of criticism in these debates. I believe more people would have a better relationship with training and be happier with their results if powerbuilding remained what Steve Shaw envisioned it to be.
@Abdo.R.Mohamed
10 ай бұрын
Powerbuilders in every video and training program : "Here's how u get the best of both worlds , how to maximize Strength and Size at the same time , as long as u get stronger u'll get bigger and maximizing size" Also Powerbuilders defending their practice : "No one said it's the best way to get both , no u won't maximize anything u'll just be in the middle" -Really guys ? Really ? ... Powerbuilders describing what is Powerbuilding : "It's focused on the SBD lifts and improving your 1-3RM with Bodybuilding work after" Also Powerbuilders defending their practice : "u don't have to do SBD or low Reps , but as long as u're getting stronger and progressively overload on every single lift in your program u're Powerbuilding" -Again , Really guys ? .. this is just Bodybuilding at this point so why call it Powerbuilding then ?
@barbellbryce
10 ай бұрын
This is why the term powerbuilding gets so much hate; there's lots of miscommunication on what the word means. A) Not a single person who truly understands powerbuilding will ever say you get the best of both worlds. You get a mix of both, but not the best of both . B) Powerbuilding is a GOAL and PASSION, not a METHOD. It has nothing to do with 1-3 rep maxes, or competitive lifts, or how to train. It's simply get every muscle as big and as strong as humanly possible.
@Abdo.R.Mohamed
10 ай бұрын
Agree but not quiet , because i don't buy into the whole new promotion of Powerbuilding is a way of life and not a program or whatever .. Because if so they it would be either a General Strength or a Hypertrophy focus , but the Word Power is coming from Powerlifting and u can't just put Powerlifting in the mix and then back down and say no no it's not about the SBD lifts nor maxing out like come on ! .. i know u're quoting Steve show and i have huge respect for him , but come on if ur goal is "Getting as strong as possible on every single lift while maintaining good hypertrophy technique and maximizing stimulus" like new-flash this is called Bodybuilding training so why call it something else ? (the only reason is to separate ourselves from the Pro Fluff and pump training and that's it) (And the first point , NO there's A LOT of people famous ones and respectable ones even claimed that it's the best of both worlds or to maximize both etc in their programs or titles or videos) but i get your point also BoM's point on it being a spectrum ... but that's exactly why it's an abomination as it doesn't have a ground to stand on on it's own and even Powerbuilders themselves can't agree on a definition for it .. or agree on the original definition of it to begin with @@barbellbryce
@barbellbryce
10 ай бұрын
@@Abdo.R.Mohamed Wow. I'm used to receiving hate or condescending responses on here but this is actually respectful and well thought out. I have nothing else to say. Great work sir
@Abdo.R.Mohamed
10 ай бұрын
@@barbellbryce Thank u good sir ..
@egil9859
10 ай бұрын
‘You can’t gain inspiration from a hack squat’ Me watching BB hack squat 4 a side making me feel like a bitch
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
I apologize, I’m 15lbs away from 5 plates now💔
@egil9859
10 ай бұрын
@@BasementBodybuilding I’m gonna use the classic I’m an old man defense (38)
@soonahero
10 ай бұрын
100% chance this video was made because of 31:32 Dude found someone to back up his sumo. Hopefully they’ll ban it from powerlifting comps and sociologically abolish the abomination of sumo deadlifting
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
Hahaha
@Balakay_Adkins
10 ай бұрын
That part had me chuckling too lol
@domepiece11
10 ай бұрын
Powerlifters do a very posterior-dominant low bar squat and a very squatty sumo DL. This is because they can lift more weight. They are essentially doing hybrid lifts. They stay in the middle of the squat-hinge continuum. And while they can lift heavy, their physiques are under trained because of it.
@BoneOrchard
10 ай бұрын
I have to wonder if part of the reason the big 3 powerlifting movement tend to become the larger focus of a power building routine overtime is due to the “sunk cost fallacy” somewhat, in that you spend more time warming up, loading and preparing for these movements they become thought of as most important for that reason. As well as the relatively greater need to be more careful because of the greater risk of injury inherent to heavier weights used in these movements leading to the remaining hypertrophy movements in the routine to be given less thoughtful attention just because they don’t strictly require it to the same degree.
@naughtiousmaximus7853
10 ай бұрын
Most powerbuilders suffer from shitty eccentrics. I have seen it 1000s of times. When your mindset defines pushdowns as accessorie, you just want to get it out of the way. Its why I treat squats and curls on same level.
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
Spot on. And this builds off the exercise sequencing point Milo mentioned, which I agree with. The caveat is the psychological side, too many guys half ass their lifts after the big 3. They even call them accessories which is laughable. Preacher curls are one of the hardest lifts in my program. The people that disagree generally train them to RPE 7 and daydream mid set.
@SwoleTown
9 ай бұрын
Treating anything as something to get out of the way I think is a mistake. Everything should have a purpose and be treated with focus, or it shouldn't be in your training.. Tricep Pushdowns, if you're riding with that, should be done with great form and trained hard like anything else... Just my opinion.
@zerrodefex
6 ай бұрын
@@SwoleTowntreating my tricep pushdowns seriously is what finally made my triceps blow up.
@18_wheeler
10 ай бұрын
I don't understand why this topic is a drama in the community. This is education & opinions. Experienced lifter exchange idea and lifting method for maximum growth is not drama.
@atdyeam1605
10 ай бұрын
Love the discussion and that it’s done civilly and without click bait drama. So interesting to hear the different perspectives from people who know what they’re talking about. Keep it up!
@watsonkushmaster3067
10 ай бұрын
Damn people in the comments needs to chill out...calling him out because he has a degree? Because he read studies? Because of his physique? Really?
@markbaker4425
10 ай бұрын
Excersize science is mostly bullshit . The guy has a bad physique. These are valid points.
@AlexanderRodriguez-lm1qw
10 ай бұрын
Agreed. No need for this much flinging of shit at the guy. I know he did the same to NH but we can be better than that.
@watsonkushmaster3067
10 ай бұрын
@@AlexanderRodriguez-lm1qwthe whole discussion is very professional so far...but the comments are horrible...its like if some people couldnt help hemselves from fanboing and isulting "other side"...not really a noble thing if you ask me
@AlexanderRodriguez-lm1qw
10 ай бұрын
@@watsonkushmaster3067couldn’t agree more. For a group that calls ourselves “noble natties” I’m seeing a lot of people who are just as problematic as the people they’re attacking.
@theiceman7590
5 ай бұрын
@@watsonkushmaster3067NH Driders are crazy
@vrj8791
10 ай бұрын
50 reps are not better than 3 reps no matter what studies have shown. If you combine those findings, you will get the impression that doing slow-ecentric-paused-lengthened-partials for 50 reps with a 1-2 RIR is a good idea. First of all, there is no way I am going through a set like that, and second, how am I going to asses my RIR? Not to mention that, if I grab my 40-rep-max weight and my 50-rep-max weight I won't feel any different for the first 20 reps. Lastly, 20 reps of ATG squat is overkill while 50 reps of wrist curls is pretty easy. I don't understand why a PhD fails to make the distinction but, the only way I can see 50 reps be something other than a waste of time is in that context, aka gripper work, shrugs, etc, minuscule ROM exercises.
@nanibaka2703
10 ай бұрын
Why does Milo think that Silver era did not train with heavy weights? They were insanely strong even in higher rep range…
@cromdevotee449
10 ай бұрын
I think there was an underestimation of the utility of strongman for bodybuilding. Isometric contractions arent quite as common as you may think, it beats powerlifting in that it regularly enters hypertrophy rep ranges, which powerlifting does not. It also complements bodybuilding better in that it challenges your cardiovascular conditioning, which can be neglected in bodybuilding and especially powerlifting, which will in the long term improve recovery and gains and is simply necessary for almost everyone regardless of goals. I think it was limited of milo to only compare the negatives and say therefore that powerlifting is best because it has fewer costs, when the full cost-benefit analysis requires looking at the positives as well. Another benefit is the variety of strongman, which will probably make training for most (but not all) more enjoyable. This variety helps hit a wider array of muscles for a more well-rounded physique and helps reinforce the bodybuilding training by rewarding progress in "assistance" or isolation exercises on smaller muscle groups. Things like forearms and biceps, lats and calves are all much more rewarding to train in strongman than powerlifting.
@shades4313
10 ай бұрын
This is what I said, yea imo if you do strongman with a side of bodybuilding you’ll be way more jacked than the average powerlifter
@denebstudios.8018
10 ай бұрын
One thing that has always annoyed me about these science-based lifters is their dismissal of anecdotical evidence (wich is evidence nonetheless, and needs to be adressed instead of downright discarded because is not on a sheet of paper). Is specially true in this case because I think one of the best arguments against powerbuilding is the myriads of stories of failure it has produced. I used to train like a "powerbuilder" (Even though at the time I didn't even knew that term existed); starting my session with a heavy S/B/DL, doing my backoff/accesory sets and then doing the "bodybuilding stuff", what happened is that most of time I ended up sandbagging tremendously, no proximity to failure (because when you lift with a big mover mindset you're not prepared mentally to fail GVS style), no progression scheme, no drive or desire to do it (because doing a set of curls to failure is way less thrilling that maxing out your deadlift) no nothing. All of this, of course, when I didn't directly skip that section lf my training altogether. The result? My chest, upper back, legs and front delts got pretty big pretty fast, but the abs, the long head, the biceps, the side and rear delts were extremely lacking (a.k.a spider physique). It has been around 9 months that I switched to a bodybuildng style of training, still including lifts that I enjoy but now with "bodybuilding form". My physique is WAY better now, even the "big movers" have gotten bigger despite me lifting "the same" weight I was doing 9 months ago. The truth is the vast majority of the population cares more about looking jacked than to be strong (there is a reason why Athlean-X is the biggest fitness channel by a good amount). You can do powerbuilding if you love it, all power to you, enjoyment and consistency are always first imo, but that practice will not get you as far as you could, and it is not only by 10%. Just compare GVS or NH physiques with Omar Isuf's or Milo himself.
@Balakay_Adkins
10 ай бұрын
You’ve hit the nail on the head my friend. There is a whole generation of lifters who bought into powerbuilding who ended up having serious problems with the methodology, and the reason a purely science-based look at powerbuilding fails to acknowledge this body of anecdotal experiences as valid is because it’s based on a lifter’s psychology and relationship with training - the truth of the matter is that powerbuilding inherently makes the lifter emotionally attached to their performance in three lifts that, let’s be honest, most power builders are not competing in, and viewing these three lifts as what the progress of their physique hinges upon. I’ve seen far more people experience burnout with their training or get stuck with unsatisfactory results from powerbuilding than I’ve seen success stories.
@lefonwastaken3393
10 ай бұрын
Agree with both comments. Powerbuilding just fuels egos of young teens/adults who want to get strong at the big three. I don’t really think building muscle and strength can be separated. You need to get stronger over time to build more muscle, there’s no way around it. Ben pollack made a great video covering formal knowledge and tacit knowledge. What you learn from experience is just as valuable as doing studies, this is why so many great powerlifting or bodybuilding coaches are so respected. Not because of their certifications or anything, but because of the experience under the belt, trial and error. Also, a lot of studies involve untrained lifters or recreational lifters, not people who actually train hard in the gym. On a side note, a lot of science based community, Milo being on the top of the list, don’t look like they lift 🫢 (excluding Jeff nipples)
@professorartlifts1268
10 ай бұрын
I love regarding bodybuilding as an artform considering the aesthetically pleasing physiques that manifest after years of diligent training. It's a truly beautiful sight when your clothing fits well enough to outgrow clothing while having a smaller waist.
@domepiece11
10 ай бұрын
Yep, instead of bloatmaxing to improve leverages.
@louisemmett1999
10 ай бұрын
It keeps getting better. Adding this to watch later for sure
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
Enjoy man
@JohnSmith-ck5qk
10 ай бұрын
I honestly believe a science based lifting guy could have a mom and dad who were elite bodybuilders and instead of asking for their routine would still consult studies instead
@RSuave545
10 ай бұрын
Literally Jeff Nippard but he does other stuff than bodybuilding
@Larzo-
10 ай бұрын
If this is how people train for powerbuilding then Jesus I understand why people dislike the term, However look at steve shaws programs, thats powerbuilding done well. Or is that considered general strength? I dont even know anymore
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
Steve Shaw’s approach is a bit closer to general strength, or his own definition of powerbuilding, which I believed he either came up with or popularized at least. His approach is gaining size with a passion for strength, across any lift and for the whole body. This is basically general strength with an emphasis on hypertrophy too.
@Limbaugh_
10 ай бұрын
Hypertrophy is my passion but I need to get stronger than all my friends so it’s powerbuilding till I bench 3 plates
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
If that’s what you care about, respect. Good case to embrace powerbuilding.
@juuso4148
10 ай бұрын
You should do what you enjoy and what works best towards your goals and it sounds like you are doing that. But i recommend to get atleast to 4 plates so then you dont need to worry because your friends are getting too close.
@nmnate
10 ай бұрын
I think if it's well aligned with your goals, you can absolutely motivate yourself and chase strength on machines. Some of my favorite PRs are that way. Belted up, hit 150x7 on machine preachers... 7th rep was a 5+ second grind fest. Walked out of the gym that day like I was floating 💪
@dusterman360
10 ай бұрын
Most of the responses to NH are kind of irrelevant. They always end up saying something like “power-building is for the guy who doesn’t necessarily want to maximize hypertrophy”. OK then…but NH isn’t talking to those people. The channel is called “natural hypertrophy”, not “natural strength and hypertrophy.” And if you want to get as big as possible, power-building is kind of an abomination. Also, did this guy ever explain why spider mode Physique was a ridiculous term.?
@Bullseye_Strength
10 ай бұрын
Potentially unpopular opinion, but having a PhD in Sports Science is a tremendous waste of time/money.
@soonahero
10 ай бұрын
What could possibly be more important than the science of getting jacked? Absurd.
@Jayyy967
10 ай бұрын
Or only relying on studies to find the value of certain methods in the gym instead of using observation and critical intuitive thinking to come to these conclusions anyway. God forbid a casual gym goer without a PhD uses his own brain and logic to discover sound principles for bodybuilding.
@gosu2212
10 ай бұрын
Imagine bragging about having a phd and being a “doctor” in every single cringe video you make only to be absolutely intellectually mogged by a jacked guy sitting in his basement wearing a flannel
@dave7209
10 ай бұрын
I would definitely not say it is a waste of time. However, that level of education is not as helpful as it would seem for the average person in the natural bodybuilding community and their goals for getting as jacked as possible.
@bigpicturegains
10 ай бұрын
Issue is, the people who hold PhDs are fallible humans just like the rest of us, subject to personal biases & outside influences which can steer their message away from objectivity. There are good sources of info who are PhD holders, but we absolutely need to be skeptical even when info comes from a so-called “expert.”
@Hazyhyperion4130
10 ай бұрын
Didn't know who Dr. Milo was before NH responded so I guess he got the 1 time view from me that he wanted. You'd think with a PHD, he'd be smarter to pick an influencer that he'd MOG and has absolutely no idea what he's talking about. Doc claimed he is willing to do a debate with NH but I highly doubt that he'd risked being MOG academically by a Bro while standing behind a PHD. 😂
@slee2695
9 ай бұрын
Well he's been featured on much bigger channels like Dr. Mike, Omar, etc...and his work is why extended partials are all the rage now And he's pretty well built...but please NH d*ck sucker show your physique..french man lover
@jacobxa
10 ай бұрын
NH saying the hypertrophy rep range is 3-15 is still better than only doing 10’s. Yeah 9-12’s probably give you the most but if you only did those you’d have weak points in the 13-30 and 5-8 rep range and hitting those weak points would make you grow a lot faster - the most effective range for growth is probably 6-15 as in some 6’s, 7’s, 8’s, …, 14’s, 15’s. 60-80%1rm. So maybe some sets up to 18 reps would be just as good. Even then it’s still probably good to do some 20-30’s since if you do then sparingly it’ll be a weak point and therefore conducive to growth.
@facelessnameless
10 ай бұрын
I'm a powerbuilder (I'm building a closet using power tools)
@GZCL
10 ай бұрын
Perhaps I missed this somewhere in the debate, whether this video or others (yours or other channels), but wouldn't a periodized training approach be the solution to prioritizing two separate goals independently and maximally? For example, a six-to-nine-month hypertrophy (bodybuilding) block followed by a shorter, perhaps three to four month powerlifting block. This is not reflected as much in modern "powerbuilding" programs (an attempt at complex training that blends each independent goal in the same session). Thus, why many novices and intermediates fail to do well at either building muscle and developing their maxes. They're often trying to max out weekly, which is not even a great way to be a good powerlifter anyways. A mid to long-term program is not considered, merely adding weight each week. Similarly, they don't have a program for bodybuilding. They do "accessories" as an afterthought. The issue with "powerbuilding" at large is the lack of a program that appropriately divides and guides the two independent goals. Decades ago, when more powerlifters adhered to block periodization they would do "bodybuilding" (gaining size, both generally and in specific muscles) so that later, during the sport specific phase (for powerlifting) they could hit heavier weights due to the increased muscle size providing for more strength potential. Therefore, it is possible to do well in each, so long as the training is partitioned and defined appropriately. Though existing in separate blocks, the two independent goals coexist within the whole; the making of a "power-builder."
@banboosy
10 ай бұрын
I actually like this idea, but bodybuilding on the bulk, and powerlifting on the cut. You probably aren't going to make many gains while cutting anyway, especially for inters and onwards, you'll be able to maintain your size with powerlifting and peak your lifts while trimming down. Any thoughts? Kind of seems like the best of both worlds, without really missing out on much.
@GZCL
10 ай бұрын
While not perfectly adhered to, due work schedule (military deployments) and competition schedule, that's basically how I structured my training. Especially later in my competition years. Worked well for me. Over the course of four years I went up from the 148-weight class to the 181-weight class in powerlifting. Cutting into meets as I was able to (missing weight twice). Letting my "bodybuilding" periods be essentially bulking, and powerlifting peaking "cutting." Worked fairly well for me. In 2016, my last meet put me at 61st in the world in the 181-weight class by wilks (all federations, all ages, raw, for that competition year). According to OpenPowerlifting. Some may not consider it "elite enough" (like a top 10 total) but it is still in the top 100 scores out of 8,455 competitors (worldwide) for that year. For US lifters only, that's a #32 ranking. Pretty good IMO. @@banboosy
@protondecay3207
10 ай бұрын
That's exactly how to do it and it solves basically all the issues around combining both training styles. But good solutions don't help you make clickbaity response after response for the content mill, soo.. ;)
@GZCL
10 ай бұрын
@@protondecay3207 Nuance and information rarely make better content than black and white dogmatic takes.
@banboosy
10 ай бұрын
@@GZCL thanks for the info brother, will maybe give it a try on my next cut. GZCLP was my first program btw :)
@atlaspowershrugged
10 ай бұрын
Bruh you did him dirty with that thumbnail lol
@markbaker4425
10 ай бұрын
Needed. Im sick of seeing dudes with no arms or lats try and tell us how to build muscle. Also i know someones a donk when they start listing off studies, we all know excersize science is badly flawed. I just ignore it now tbh.
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
We’re just posing! I held off from hitting a side chest since it’s arguably my best pose, and you could make the case Milo’s back is is strong point
@atlaspowershrugged
10 ай бұрын
@BasementBodybuilding it's hard to tell with these actual competitors. Being that low in bodyfat makes them look jacked and skinny at the same time.
@ezradanger
10 ай бұрын
I have to say, i enjoyed your most recent response much more than i did NH's. I love NH, but he really is being a drama queen about this.
@watsonkushmaster3067
10 ай бұрын
Man...the way he did GVS...i didnt get that at all...he will end up isolated from all the noble natties if he will continue like that
@ezradanger
10 ай бұрын
@@watsonkushmaster3067 I honestly quit watching his a little past the half way mark. I just couldn't take it anymore. It was like watching a child throwing a fit.
@Louziaa
10 ай бұрын
basement getting out the content for us everyday! appreciate the effort man.
@CrypticWizard9
10 ай бұрын
"Research shows Weightliting is bad for hypertrophy" Grimek: Am I a joke to you?
@kaga13
10 ай бұрын
John Grimek did lots of standard bodybuilding work on top of his oly lifting
@tim..t175
10 ай бұрын
Good video. I fit the description of what Milo is talking about regarding power building. I want to increase both strength and hypertrophy just for my own satisfaction. I don’t like pursuing strictly bodybuilding or powerlifting and definitely don’t want to compete. I do push pull legs with a lower rep day for strength and a higher rep day for hypertrophy, and some exercise variation.
@Balakay_Adkins
10 ай бұрын
Looking forward to this one
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
Thanks bro! Enjoy
@gahtannahdi8595
10 ай бұрын
I think the whole debate and the confusion regarding the definition of powerbuilding also lies in the fact that theres really no appropriate term for someone who chases for purely general strength and not SBD specific, for example theres the term bodybuilder for people interested in building muscle but theres no such thing as a "strengthbuilder". These people who dont know what to classify themselves into start taking on the term "powerbuilder" even though it traditionally refers to people who focus on specifically SBD 1-rep maxes with added hypertrophy work.
@WolfCoaching
10 ай бұрын
This was actually a charitable, solid response video. Respect. We agree on most things - and that’s in spite of a difference in epistemic approach/how we seek to arrive at the best programming possible. That said.. some of the commenters on here are pretty insane. A bit of a “touch grass” situation
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
Thanks. I try to be as cut and dry/no BS as possible, especially in any form of response video or trending discussion topic. I want to do what I can to help people see things objectively, and I’m here to purely discuss training. It is the internet after all, so there will be some people trying to pick sides or create some drama out of a civil discussion. I caught a couple strays in your video, and I think you caught a few here. The internet for ya haha.
@weakest_serb
10 ай бұрын
How are people in this comment section insane Wolf? Care to elaborate?
@championsanchez1683
10 ай бұрын
I’m reaching the end of a 12 week powerbuilding program (Bald Omni Man’s Struggler). OHP/Deadlift specialization. My deadlift 1RM went up almost 100lb. My OHP? ~10lb. And the relative size gains reflect that. If I could do it again, I’d still do powerlifting training for my DL, but for OHP, nah, I’d do bodybuilder style and probably would have gotten more size AND strength. Point is, maybe different muscles respond best to different methodologies. Something I never really considered before!
@shades4313
10 ай бұрын
Yea shoulders/ohp definitely respond better to higher reps in general. I used to do standing ohp for sets of 3-5 and progressed at a snails pace, barely made much shoulder gains. Once I switched to AD/seated ohp, and did sets in the 8-12 range, I progressed quickly in both strength and size.
@DaLordIsBack1
10 ай бұрын
We live in a responciety
@alanthornton4704
10 ай бұрын
I see guys at the gym hack squatting 5 plates and that is impressive as hell
@jordanbowey4175
9 ай бұрын
I don't want to speak for NH but for myself I've found doing 3-5 reps has been really beneficial for hypertrophy. I'll do no more than two sets of a compound lift (I use it for pullups, Squats and deadlifts) to build fatigue and strengh and I'll generally leave 1-2 reps in reserve. From there I will do the rest of my work with 0 RIR. I find it doesn't effect my mindset for hypertrophy because the "strengh work" I'm doing is to support my hypertrophy, not the other way around.
@domepiece11
10 ай бұрын
Please do a video on the squat-hinge continuum. Not enough people get it. This would be a great channel to do a deep dive. Powerlifting likes to stay in the middle- low bar squats and sumo DL. Bodybuilding likes to move toward the edges, like more pure hinges (good mornings, hip thrusts, etc.) and pure squats (heel elevated front squat).
@ew-zd1th
10 ай бұрын
Do you think doing frontsquads rdl leg curl and Sissy squads are enought for maximum adductor growth? Or should i include isolation and weighted vest split squads?
@phamnhatquangk17_ct41
10 ай бұрын
Waiting for Layne Norton and Jeff Nippard's take on this debate lol
@paulvelasquez4752
10 ай бұрын
Love the channel But I couldn’t help but wonder do you think if your size was what it is but you subtracted 100 lbs from each lift you would be chasing strength now?
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
I think you’re asking if I was weaker if I’d chase strength. I wouldn’t. I started off for pure hypertrophy and actually got pretty strong doing just that, getting even stronger was just an ego thing lmao.
@paulvelasquez4752
10 ай бұрын
@@BasementBodybuilding I understand completely! For me my goals have been sort of a moving target. First I wanted to be somewhat muscular and fit looking. Once I got there I wanted a bigger bench. (My focus now) Next will be to get bigger arms (better biceps). Training will always be changing. 😎
@domepiece11
10 ай бұрын
I love watching RP workout videos. Seeing full ROM is awesome. The intensity is nuts. The weight doesn’t really matter. And why would it? It is so dependent upon individual factors.
@KurokamiNajimi
10 ай бұрын
This isn’t relevant to the general topic but the research referencing low reps being inferior for hypertrophy aren’t relevant because those people aren’t actually 90%+ intensity. If there were they wouldn’t be able to get straight sets of the same number. Real reason higher reps are better is the other issues with low reps
@mastersironmantarmstrong7148
9 ай бұрын
I enjoyed this video. I had never heard of Milo before but I listened to his moderated discussion with NH and I pretty much agree with his definition of powerbuilding and its applications and I like how he communicates. Even though I know you aren’t really a fan of powerbuilding I do enjoy your videos and I think you make good points and I especially appreciate that you are always fair and honest and professional. I know I accused you of strawmanning powerbuilding in the past but I think you were really being honest based upon your experience of powerbuilding and what your definition of it was.
@DCJayhawk57
10 ай бұрын
My issue with this debate is that "it depends", even within the same lifter based on where they are in their training and experience. If you're coming out of a long bodybuilding phase with little focus on max strength progression, you may benefit from some lower rep work. Yes, really. I've been in that same boat multiple times over the years. I've seen time and time again that getting stronger in lower rep ranges breaks plateaus on my volume PRs and resensitizes me to volume. If you've spent a lot of time in strength work and less exercise variation, you may benefit from a bodybuilding program, because you may be starved for volume and novel stimulus from new exercises. I currently follow a powerbuilding structure, but I adhere to the Steve Shaw model. I want to get big, but I also want to be strong at as many exercises as possible. I would say I'm advanced with technique from a bodybuilding perspective and late intermediate from a powerlifting perspective, so I can move between doing a comp bench to doing high intensity DB presses, curls, or flyes seamlessly. Acting like if you lift for efficiency on one lift makes it so you're unable to lift for inefficiency on another is false dichotomy nonsense. There's no reason you can't do both. The psychology behind powerbuilding seems to be hard for a lot of the bodybuilding focused KZitem channels to grasp. I honestly think you and NH lack the overall training experience to some degree, I think you're more qualified than he is given your experience in powerlifting, but you're both pretty young and haven't been around the block that long. Sorry to make that argument, but I see a lot of inexperience show up in the arguments against powerbuilding. I've seen so many trends in fitness in my own experience dating back to the early 2000s, so this debate is relatively annoying to me and comes down to splitting hairs in a lot of ways. Once you've been in the game long enough, there's a lot of "well, it depends". For reference, I've trained (chronologically, over 23 years) in the style of an athlete (high school football weights), bro split, Westside, high volume bodybuilding, vertical jump training, Crossfit, Olympic lifting, powerbuilding, Alex Leonidas-style conjugate, high volume bodybuilding, strength, and now powerbuilding again. I'll wait 5 years until you or NH jump back on strength training after you've plateaued with the bodybuilder volume approach lol. The longer I've been in this, the more that I realize consistency and effort are the most important factors. Obviously, you have to target all muscles in a program to grow, but I know plenty of guys who are more developed than you, NH, or me that literally just lift heavy stuff and then do accessories, call it powerbuilding or call it general strength training. The granular approach of KZitem fitness is becoming myopic. Who cares about what is optimal? Stay consistent and drive progression however you see fit.
@Balachiang
10 ай бұрын
Bro I appreciate your patience to this dude. Personally I think this dude sneaked a cheap shot at bodybuilding and disguised in a "discussion" video. Your video is exactly how he should model off a reaction video.
@maxkaltenhauser9282
10 ай бұрын
I agree, I also see a big misunderstanding in-between powerlifters when it comes to training philosophy. Many gym-bro powerlifters who don't compete think that every set needs to be done with the biggest arch you can get, most limited ROM or widest stance sumo you can do. If you look at elite powerlifters they very often are jacked and fill out their weightclass and they did not do that by just doing competition style S/B/D. There are still quite a few elite powerlifters that run block periodization where they barely do any competition style lifts for weeks or even months and only do full ROM highbar Squat, paused/deficite DL and flat back CG bench or Larsen press. I don't know why so many novice lifters think that they need some highly specialized and optimized undulating periodization scheme or something along those lines. Sure if you already fill out your weight class you need much less hypertrophy work or if you are already late intermediate or advanced it might be better for some trainees. But the vast majority of gymbros would be so much stronger if they just ran hypertrophy blocks 60-80& of the time and the other 40-20% of the time strength blocks. And basically never run a peaking block unless you want to compete or maybe once/twice a year for fun and a mock meet. And yet I see it over and over again in the gym, powerlifters bashing their head against the wall with 3-5 rep sets in competition style with minimal ROM for months on end with the same weights. Going up 10lbs then deloading to get stuck again at the exact same point or their joints hurt and they deload again. And on the other hand people that have way too little muscle mass running peaking blocks when they have no business doing that or don't even understand what it is for.
@dividendking3686
10 ай бұрын
"According to the latest studies 🤓"
@JuliusCaesar103
10 ай бұрын
You killed this one. Great video, you and Milo are becoming my favorite KZitemrs so it was cool to see this video.
@fel3048
10 ай бұрын
I think this guy is a time traveler, he comes from the time when powerbuilding was very popular. I'm confused, is he a scientist or does he actually train people? From what I see, I don't think he trains many regular people, or at least not with much success. So far in the debate, he is the person who has contributed the least to the topic; Does comparing strength with another person motivate hypertrophy? Seriously? You need a study to conclude that "the big 3" at lower ranges are more severe on the joints or more physically and mentally tiring. Defend Sumo for Hypertrophy (or something like that). Do you need to compete to want to be efficient? The average person already struggles to have any result, why continue propagating methods or philosophies with many flaws; N.H. at the end of his last video explains it perfectly. Anyway, I don't want to write a wall of text. Thanks man, I hope many people new to fitness watch this video.
@watsonkushmaster3067
10 ай бұрын
He is a competing bodybuilder, he is coaching people and he is a scientist...you can have many arguments against his video but not being competent isnt one of them... If i know, NH doesnt train people at all? Doesnt compete? Also doesnt he train pretty heavy at times? It looks like this debate is weirdly twisted - competing bodybuilder defends powerbuilding while the guy who does singles on deadlifts critiques it
@isaacperrigo8267
10 ай бұрын
I think a main thing is you should what your doing in the gym and why. If you think randomly doing a 1rm attempt and calling yourself a “powerbuilder” is going to build muscle then your misinformed, so you are doing things for the wrong reason. As long as you are being rational about what movements your doing, you’ll have good results
@GraveStrong
10 ай бұрын
Light controlled bicep isolation and tricep isolation after compounds put 1 1/2” on my arms over 2-3 years
@Jack-mv3sx
10 ай бұрын
Could you imagine if we could have civil and honest debates like this for things like gun control and healthcare issues.
@SwoleTown
9 ай бұрын
People have this incessant need to label everything and fit everything into neat little spaces. "powerbuilding" is just lifting... Many of us grew up just lifting.. trying to get stronger AND bigger, and we didn't have to label it anything. The majority of people lifting have no interest in competing in anything, they just want to get bigger and stronger and have a better physique. That said, you can absolutely train strength and size together... call it what you want, but unless you're very advanced, it's totally doable.
@shades4313
10 ай бұрын
I completely disagree with him about “strong building” strongmen are jacked af, usually way more so than powerlifters. And there are far more exercises than just isometric holds. Hell I’d say strongbyilding would be great for hypertrophy 😂 just do strongman, then add in chest exercises, direct arm work and probably direct quad work and your good. Every other muscle should be taken care of
@rockman7503
10 ай бұрын
Change name of the series to "why powerbuilding didn't work for me"
@dogbreedsareamyth9409
10 ай бұрын
It’s objectively worse for bodybuilding
@NathanielReynolds-fq7bi
3 ай бұрын
despite disagreeing with you, the megaman profile is sick
@kamo7293
10 ай бұрын
he has some good points, but there are points that make it seem more "drama" like, for eg when he added the music over NH's tier video, to make him seem foolish. says a few times "he cites no studies" and goes on to say "I'm a Dr, I should know" subtly implying that NH doesn't (?) those bits seem really weird peppered in between actually good points
@ew-zd1th
10 ай бұрын
When i was 106kg a few years ago i benchrd 3x7 92kg. Now at 87.5kg i have tried Bench havent done them for really long Time. Instead db Bench or db low inc and flys. I have Just gettin 80x6 rpe 9.5 and then 85x4 rpe 9.5. did this mean i havent gain any muscle or maybe lost even muscle? Or can body weight and the skill of doing this exercise die Training them regulary make this much of a difference? I was really fucked up that i am so weak now
@juuso4148
10 ай бұрын
Rpe 9.5
@ollvi
10 ай бұрын
I used to bench 100kg x4 reps at 70kg bw and now i maybe can bench 80kg for 5 reps at 61kg bw and yet now i have bigger chest than i had when i benched 100kg for 4 reps. I lost strength on bench because i haven't benched like 3 years, instead i've been doing dips and machine chest presses. So no you haven't lost size, you are just weaker at that specific movement because you haven't practiced it and bench is heavily dependent on bodyweight, the heavier you are the more you bench
@djjankov6667
10 ай бұрын
What about a top set of 3 then go to Higher reps ?
@adamz7282
10 ай бұрын
I disagree with so many points milo made, I'm surprised Landon agrees with him. 1. Sumo has less range of motion (both the bar and the joints move less) 2. Choosing excersises with a shitty resistance curve (what NH said) is good to strengthen certain points of the range of motion, i don't see how that's wrong 3. Training the muscle in the full range of motion including the lengthend position is superior for grow (he's kinda disregarding that)
@leedowling1448
10 ай бұрын
i always hate when they assume strength stops at 5 reps, doing a 8 rep max, 10 rep max or even a 20 rep max and treating that with the same respect at the 5x5, wait fiiiive by fiiive its still strength
@PJayfour
10 ай бұрын
One thing I'm surprised hasn't come up at all is the fact that powerlifters would be well advised to include some hypertrophy training in their programs because they need muscle in areas the big 3 cannot account for to improve the synergistic muscles for those lifts, and due to the fact more mass can move more mass so building muscle is a good thing for powerlifters
@abasicname8848
10 ай бұрын
Thats exactly why that sport is not beneficial to hypertrophy.
@PJayfour
10 ай бұрын
@@abasicname8848 Exactly; powerlifting training doesn't help bodybuilders but bodybuilding training can help powerlifters
@Abdo.R.Mohamed
10 ай бұрын
the Point on "Strong-Building , Weight-Building" : i don't agree with him tho , because he criticized it as if it is ONLY Strongman , but u'll just use the same principles as "powerbuilding" just swap the day openers from SBD 1RM to Clean , Jerk , Snatch .. or Strongman stuff then the rest of the session is Bodybuilding "Optimized" training . So both of his points in practice is not valid , A: most people who does SBD doesn't control the negative either whether on Deadlifts ofc , or even on Bench and Squats where they just dive bomb or bounce off the chest .. B:technique or injury is not really an argument because if we're talking about that then don't do Powerbuilding and just get stronger on a General Strength or Hypertrophy program where u use better and safer technique and slower tempo while being in a higher rep ranges instead of trying to Max out while trying to optimize technique and tightness on every lift to get the weight up in any way ... However yes , Powerbuilding is closer to a General Strength or Hypertrophy than both of these would be , but imo it would produce the same results because the idea itself of mixing the two instead of following a General Strength or Hypertrophy programs instead , because it's not about the lifts itself that he's trying to make it out to be about .
@barbellbryce
10 ай бұрын
I think this is where the term gets misunderstood. Powerbuilding isn't a way of training, it's a mindset. It comes down to the GOAL/PASSION not the METHOD. Powerlifting GOAL: Biggest 1RM Bodybuilding GOAL: Staged Physique Powerbuilding GOAL: Get every muscle and movement as strong/big as humanly possible not based off of competition standards 🔥 Also, love you Landon
@glennnolasco6892
10 ай бұрын
AKA, powerbuilding is how bronze and silver era bodybuilders used to train back in the days in my perspective
@trev6664
10 ай бұрын
The only flaw in this characterization is that getting every muscle as strong as possible requires you to get every movement as strong as possible and once you cross that bridge, then BAM.... You are not a bodybuilder.
@dmytrotkachov6859
10 ай бұрын
This "powerbuilding" thing looks like recreational powerlifting. Personally, I do bodybuilding-style training but I do not consider myself a bodybuilder and do not strive to be one. And if someone asks me how I train, I just tell them that I "lift weights", exercise etc. So how these "powerbuilders" are different from me? Sounds like a new flashy term that a kid came up with to brag about to his friends and girls around him🤷♂ I want to add a few cents to 24:57 statement. It is indeed more exhilarating to lift "as heavy as you can", however, doing 1 RIR, a set to failure, cheat reps with emphasis on negative and drop sets are also hella fun. These things do "burn" you a bit but I'd argue that "powerbuilding" burns you as much or maybe even more. Also, doing compound movements hypertrophy style is quite hard and will definitely develop your "general strength" as well as specific endurance (which was stated in this video).
@adonosssi
10 ай бұрын
If we just took every lift seriously mentally in powerbuilding program wouldnt that be good thing
@michaelvanderlaan5629
9 ай бұрын
Milos strawman game is strong in this video, I've never seen NH advocate for 3 reps sets as a body builder.
@SaturnReturns
10 ай бұрын
> Dr. Disregarded!
@catmansion
10 ай бұрын
I still can't get over how everyone says "EE-sentric" instead of "EK-sentric". It's so annoying. Stop it, people, please. This isn't a hard word; it's a simple Greek compound.
@DexFlex_YT
5 ай бұрын
Real
@WiecznieNieNasycony
10 ай бұрын
you have to add these photos of yourself where your forearms were like a barbel, it will be a comedy))
@arcaneknight9799
10 ай бұрын
Oh, so you name him in this response video, but you're TOO SCARED to name Coath in your TWO reply videos?! Think about that!!!!
@rae5425
10 ай бұрын
42:30 I am immediately skeptical if not dismissive of this "study". Who were the people the studies were conducted on? Were they clones? Most likely not, you could have a group of people, who had never trained before but had always been active, interested and had been doing sports since a young age, farmers, etc. And another group of people who had never trained before but had always been sedentary since they were kids. And what about the rest of their life up to the point? What if the other group had always been getting consistent high quality sleep? Like 9 hours of sleep since they were kids, and the other had always stayed up until 3 am up to that point? We have no idea what the actual details are, I haven't even mentioned their diet. One could have been going full American since they were kids with cereals and burgers. And one could be your typical Asian kid eating rice and vegetables on a daily basis. This "study" is bullshit. Even if you were given the most optimal scientific program with set numbers, reps, and exercises selection. If your sleep, diet and everyday life is garbage, you ain't getting that "optimal" gains. I'm not talking about only their life during this study, I'm talking about their entire life up to this point where they took a part in this study
@trev6664
10 ай бұрын
Im just going to start shutting down powerbuilders by asking them how well they place in their powerbuilding competitions... oh wait.
@ChadAV69
10 ай бұрын
It's hilarious that his physique is worse than any of the "noble natties". He's obviously a powerlifter
@Theone.fitness
10 ай бұрын
46:46 me too.
@mullboll33
10 ай бұрын
And as soon as Basement has his subscriber count grow exponentially, he gets dragged into the depth of the “fitness community” drama and high school BS Sad. “Fitness” is dead
@victorbigstone8178
10 ай бұрын
👍👍👍
@spartakos3178
10 ай бұрын
Bodybuilding = stage prop training
@supertrollfaxnoprinter3329
10 ай бұрын
Laughing so hard rn at his spider physique. He’s is literally the power builder meme. His arms look smaller from the side than yours from the front.
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
I don’t think we should diss his physique, but I think someone like myself/NH the rest of the noble natties are pretty solid evidence for our methods. I’m not at my peak by any means, but my progress since starting the channel says a lot imo
@georgesxuereb
10 ай бұрын
Milo Wolf is a competitive bodybuilder - look him up. He's jacked, and ripped when in contest shape.
@SuperKool500
10 ай бұрын
Two different poses
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
Agreed, he does have a good physique. Not a mass monster but it’s respectable for sure.
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
Side chest is actually one of my stronger poses, I made an alternate thumbnail with my side chest from over a year ago but didn’t use it because my head is half cut off lmao
@Louziaa
10 ай бұрын
28:44 u been trolling a lot recently looooooool i died laughter this is hilarious 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 edit: also 31:18🤣🤣🤣🤣
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
Lol that was Milo’s edit not mine, so can’t take credit
@Louziaa
10 ай бұрын
wait did he contradict himself in later in the edit? like how do you think again and say the opposite this is an indication he doesnt even really deeply comprehend what he talks about...@@BasementBodybuilding
@iaamara8434
10 ай бұрын
Props to you for answering to the "bAsEd On sCieNce" brainlet that is DOCTOR Milo wolf
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